WR Antonio Brown, FA (4 Viewers)

[Snorkelson]

Who would have thought back in June or thereabouts that trading tyreek hill for Antonio brown after his audio tape would find me sitting here at this juncture. I wasn’t happy to take brown on but with a team ready to win now I couldn’t lose reek for the year and survive, and the only knock on him was his ego and being on the raiders. Tell me then that week 2 he will be playing on the patriots and I should certainly feel good about that, right? RIGHT?!?!

 

[DropKick]

Who would have thought back in June or thereabouts that trading tyreek hill for Antonio brown after his audio tape would find me sitting here at this juncture. I wasn’t happy to take brown on but with a team ready to win now I couldn’t lose reek for the year and survive, and the only knock on him was his ego and being on the raiders. Tell me then that week 2 he will be playing on the patriots and I should certainly feel good about that, right? RIGHT?!?!

How would you feel with Hill right now?

 

[Charlie Harper]

I don't own Brown....but anyone worried he may not be a WR1? With Gordon, Edelman, and White....I don't see Brady forcing it to Brown. Then again....It's Hoodie so it don't matter.

 

[habsfan]

I don't own Brown....but anyone worried he may not be a WR1? With Gordon, Edelman, and White....I don't see Brady forcing it to Brown. Then again....It's Hoodie so it don't matter.

Definitely. He was a high volume guy playing pitch and catch with Ben who could extend plays. That's a very unPatriots-like recipe. As Jerry said, there's only so much pie.

 

[DJackson10]

I was raised to treat women with respect, as ladies.  They were not routinely degraded in language, in song, or in media or art depictions, though it was not a wholly un-sexualized environment.  I could not imagine mounting an unconscious woman, an intoxicated to helplessness one (Not the facts of this case but common facts in this generation).  I could not imagine date rape (not uncommon, I suppose, or not unheard of, certainly, in my generation).  masturbating onto the back of a woman turned away, absent any sort of understanding, it would be inconceivable.  Now in Brown's generation, with their language of "#####es" and "hos", with media and art depictions of them as only objects to serve a man's desires, of buddies supporting misogynistic behavior, could I see it.  Still no, but I can see that an argument could be made against video games, current music, current culture, and current movies.  I am surprised it has not yet been made when it is a common argument in gun threads.  I believe the argument is that we are a uniquely sick society and that the sickness has symptoms which includes behavior like this.  I never hear the argument made quite so succinctly, but I think that is it.

I know I'm late here but, I agree and disagree. Back in the 80s the PMRC if you remember tried to go after Metal music blaming them for teen and young adult suicide. Back in the 80s we also had Glam Metal that routinely sung about sex Drugs and having a good time. What the PMRC wasn't expecting was a guy from Twisted Sister named Dee Snider who was incredible intelligent and articulate in speaking in DC. The only thing that ended up happening was a little Parental Advisory sticker which made even more people buy the albums. 

I will argue I think some music and games shouldn't be played or listen to by people of certain ages. I had a friend who's mom wasn't happy with her one son playing GTA and Call of Duty games but her husband allowed. Their daughter was my age and we're about 12 or so yrs older then him. Video games are rated M for a reason. I don't think these games should be played  by anyone under 18 honestly and if you are selling to an adult who gives it to a child it should be treated similar to buying cigs or beer for a minor. As for the music the hypocrisy by the PMRC was appalling when you had rap artist at the time singing about the above highlight. Then in the 90s you had bands like Nirvana coming out about how much their lives sucked and should just end it. But no one ever made the up roar on either genre like they did metal. 

I think we as a society need to be more aware what our kids are doing or seeing at a young age. Some parents let their kids run wild like the Wild West not realizing they have issues mentally and other things triggered by listening or playing certain things. I got little white 10 yrs olds in my suburban main line town dropping N bombs and acting like they are from the hood. These kids need a good parental rearing. We had issues with these kids at my store and had to call the cops. The parents were oblivious of what their kids were doing and tried blaming us for their kids acting out. We told them if you can't control your kids then you can't shop here either. We can't have them terrorizing the customers, breaking glass etc. Our store isn't their personal playground. Granted I'm not saying these kids will grow up to be future mass school shooters just that parents have no idea what their kids are doing and should. Then they blame others. I think first and foremost we need to take a look at ourselves and see what we can do to prevent these issues. Like the parents with kids committing suicide in the 80s parents today don't want to be accountable for their child being the next school shooter or beating some girl. To them it's someone else fault and thats not right. Society shouldn't have to babysit your entitled d-bag child. 

 

[DJackson10]

I'm asking the same question, a criminal case would have much more impact, I think.

I think the league not putting AB on the exempt list tells answers that question. Because AB hasn't been charged yet he's eligible until further notice. The minute he's charged he's getting put on the list  

 

[DJackson10]

Not sure why this continues to be so confusing for so many.

There is criminal law.

There is civil law.

There is the NFL's personal conduct policy.

Each of these three is independent of the other two.

The NFL is solely concerned with whether its own personal conduct policy has been violated.  What is or isn't happening in the other two arenas is largely irrelevant, from the NFL's perspective.

I think people are confused what the two above bolded really mean. I know I couldn't tell you the difference and even reading about it, well to most non law professionals it looks like Mandarin or another language to us. So maybe someone simple English explaining this would help some people out and be less confused. 

The NFL's personal conduct policy is as long as he HASN'T BEEN CHARGED HE'S ELIGIBLE 

 

[wormburner]

No exempt list. 

Pats are about to [redacted] on the rest of the NFL’s back  

   LOL!!!

Respectfully disagree, though.  The Pats are about to [redacted] on the rest of the NFL's front.  In not saying no to any part of AB's clown show, these present charges pending, the NFL has given consent and said aim here.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I was raised to treat women with respect, as ladies.  They were not routinely degraded in language, in song, or in media or art depictions, though it was not a wholly un-sexualized environment.  I could not imagine mounting an unconscious woman, an intoxicated to helplessness one (Not the facts of this case but common facts in this generation).  I could not imagine date rape (not uncommon, I suppose, or not unheard of, certainly, in my generation).  masturbating onto the back of a woman turned away, absent any sort of understanding, it would be inconceivable.  Now in Brown's generation, with their language of "#####es" and "hos", with media and art depictions of them as only objects to serve a man's desires, of buddies supporting misogynistic behavior, could I see it.  Still no, but I can see that an argument could be made against video games, current music, current culture, and current movies.  I am surprised it has not yet been made when it is a common argument in gun threads.  I believe the argument is that we are a uniquely sick society and that the sickness has symptoms which includes behavior like this.  I never hear the argument made quite so succinctly, but I think that is it.

It's hard to fathom with the MeToo movement over the last couple years that anyone would argue tooth and nail defending this guy. But the recent exploitation cases like Epstein show that corruption and cover up extend to the highest level so we really should expect nothing less in here.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

It's hard to fathom with the MeToo movement over the last couple years that anyone would argue tooth and nail defending this guy. But the recent exploitation cases like Epstein show that corruption and cover up extend to the highest level so we really should expect nothing less in here.

Sir,  the MeToo movement is hardly cart blanche for conviction without due process.  Believe it not, there are actually false claims made against famous and wealthy people.

When we defend due process, we defend America. 

Good day.

 

[theplayer11]

It's hard to fathom with the MeToo movement over the last couple years that anyone would argue tooth and nail defending this guy. But the recent exploitation cases like Epstein show that corruption and cover up extend to the highest level so we really should expect nothing less in here.

nothing to do with it..this story just stinks of a money grab

 

[DallasDMac]

Rape charges notwithstanding, this whole AB fiasco just epitomizes everything I can't stand about today's NFL.

 

[Faust]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Antonio Brown is expected to play in Week 2 against Miami.

Brown is facing serious allegations in a civil lawsuit and only has two weeks in New England's scheme. It's still possible he ends up inactive, but he made the trip to Miami and looks on track to play. The Patriots gave Brown a $9 million signing bonus and likely want to get whatever they can from him before his accuser meets with the NFL next week. Brown's role is hard to forecast, but his matchup is good enough to overcome playbook and playing time concerns.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Sep 14, 2019, 12:28 PM ET

 

[oswizzle]

He's going to go off tomorrow... 10 150 2 ...  has to make up for missing last week... fire up the theme Darth Vader Imperial March 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What’s the O/U on “some kinda stuff happening between now & game time”? 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's going to go off tomorrow... 10 150 2 ...  has to make up for missing last week... fire up the theme Darth Vader Imperial March 

Gimme the under on all 3 of those stats. 

 

[Steeler]

Who is starting him tomorrow?  What do people expect?  The range of outcomes is pretty wide.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Who is starting him tomorrow?  What do people expect?  The range of outcomes is pretty wide.

Hoodie likes to show people how smart he is. So I’m betting they could be up 30 & still throw to him in the RZ.

fearless forecast: 5 targets, 4 receptions, 62 yards, 1 TD. 

ETA: I own 0 shares

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Mostly a decoy, only in a few packages as he picks up the Erhardt-Perkins terminology, but let loose on a few plays. 4-85-1 seems about right.

yep.  2-4 catches.  MAYBE a TD but I doubt it.

 

[Deamon]

3 for 63 and 1 td.

 

[jm192]

Is the bolded what you meant to say?

No haha

 

[bpm]

I think they will get the ball to him. Otherwise he'll interpret it as making it hard to make his incentive money which is half his pay. 5-95-2

 

[irish eyes]

All that needs to be said is he is a scumbag of the worst kind, and he went to the biggest scumbag franchise in the league.  Hooray for the nfl,.

 

[theplayer11]

All that needs to be said is he is a scumbag of the worst kind, and he went to the biggest scumbag franchise in the league.  Hooray for the nfl,.

wawawa...

 

[ninerfan]

What's the over/under on AB getting his block knocked off tomorrow?   ...…..

 

[joey]

What's the over/under on AB getting his block knocked off tomorrow?   ...…..

If he played LAST week, that over/under would’ve been MUCH higher. 

 

[FBG Moderator]

All that needs to be said is he is a scumbag of the worst kind, and he went to the biggest scumbag franchise in the league.  Hooray for the nfl,.

Drop it. Nothing will be reported faster than stuff about the Patriots. 

 

[DA RAIDERS]

go fins

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I like imagining that he and Gordon went out last night, after curfew, in South Beach and that film will be surfacing any moment.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

 Kind of a quiet news morning for Antonio Brown.

Maybe a little too quiet if you ask me. 

 

[DropKick]

 Kind of a quiet news morning for Antonio Brown.

Maybe a little too quiet if you ask me. 

To be honest, I'm intrigued to so how NE uses him and how well he plays.  You know, the "football" side of the house.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

To be honest, I'm intrigued to so how NE uses him and how well he plays.  You know, the "football" side of the house.

I would be surprised if he sees more than 4 targets. 

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

To be honest, I'm intrigued to so how NE uses him and how well he plays.  You know, the "football" side of the house.

I was thinking 3/24/0 until I read he's stayed until 10pm each night working on route progressions with Stidham.  He might eat into Edelman's share.

NFL meets with Accuser Monday.  They will probably try to arbitrate conclusion of the settlement talks AB and accuser were involved in before she went live in a leverage play.

But they would never admit this of course.  If said arbitration fails, look for AB to go on exempt list next week.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

To be honest, I'm intrigued to so how NE uses him and how well he plays.  You know, the "football" side of the house.

 I’m kind of hoping he shows up to the stadium wearing a  full length fur coat,  wearing a  custom T-shirt that says “hell yes I did it!” red-eyed and reeking of booze,  with a  discount hooker on each arm and traces of blow under his nostrils. 

 We are all entertained in different ways. 

 

[DropKick]

 I’m kind of hoping he shows up to the stadium wearing a  full length fur coat,  wearing a  custom T-shirt that says “hell yes I did it!” red-eyed and reeking of booze,  with a  discount hooker on each arm and traces of blow under his nostrils. 

 We are all entertained in different ways. 

Gave me an image of an 80's era Hulk Hogan striding to the mat escorted by Antonio Brown with a blonde moustache.

 

[Interseptopus]

Brown gets worried about his guarantees getting voided, fakes a major injury at today's game, NE has to IR him. 

 

[Anarchy99]

I was thinking 3/24/0 until I read he's stayed until 10pm each night working on route progressions with Stidham.  He might eat into Edelman's share.

NFL meets with Accuser Monday.  They will probably try to arbitrate conclusion of the settlement talks AB and accuser were involved in before she went live in a leverage play.

But they would never admit this of course.  If said arbitration fails, look for AB to go on exempt list next week.

Unless the accuser has a smoking gun, slam dunk piece of evidence, I don't think the league will put AB on the exempt list. It hasn't happened before, and I don't think they want to open up pandora's box here either. Big Ben had essentially the same exact thing happen for his first sexual assault allegation (civil suit) and he played the entire season. Sure Ben eventually got a 6 game suspension for a second incident and was ultimately not charged. Zeke got a 6 game suspension and was not charged (but that also was based on other incidents). The commonality in these cases has been that a police investigation was involved and then a league investigation. Short of a videotape, the league has taken their time and made their decisions at the back end of things, not at the beginning . . . especially when the police was not involved and criminal charges at least considered. That's my take, and given the way the league has responded to these issues, maybe they throw out precedent and set a new bar and new standard for the future.

 

[Morton Muffley]

Unless the accuser has a smoking gun, slam dunk piece of evidence, I don't think the league will put AB on the exempt list. It hasn't happened before, and I don't think they want to open up pandora's box here either. Big Ben had essentially the same exact thing happen for his first sexual assault allegation (civil suit) and he played the entire season. Sure Ben eventually got a 6 game suspension for a second incident and was ultimately not charged. Zeke got a 6 game suspension and was not charged (but that also was based on other incidents). The commonality in these cases has been that a police investigation was involved and then a league investigation. Short of a videotape, the league has taken their time and made their decisions at the back end of things, not at the beginning . . . especially when the police was not involved and criminal charges at least considered. That's my take, and given the way the league has responded to these issues, maybe they throw out precedent and set a new bar and new standard for the future.

You may be right, but relying on precedent and historical consistency is NOT something I'd be leaning hard on.  As such, I think we have absolutely NO idea how and when this will be handled by, to quote Jesus Quintana, "those f###s in the league office."  

As always, just my opinion.

 

[DropKick]

Brown gets worried about his guarantees getting voided, fakes a major injury at today's game, NE has to IR him. 

If the game wasn't in Miami, he could claim frostbite.

Nah... that would be absurd.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

  this Memphis chick offered to forget all the rapin’ for $2 Million. AB told her to pound sand. 

Yeah, suuuure this isn’t a cash grab...  

Hey now....it was only $1.6 million.

I would speculate the negotiation stalled at 200k versus 1.2 million.  Her leverage (third party league wanting to save face) has gone up but doubt there is a smoking gun, so I would guess the final number will be in the 500k range.  Which is criminal if you believe her, and criminal if you don't believe her.  C'est la vie.

Are there any rumors about what Ben and Kobe paid, respectively?

 

[Zow]

 Kind of a quiet news morning for Antonio Brown.

Maybe a little too quiet if you ask me. 

Getting down to the FF side of things, I currently have him on my bench in favor of DK Metcalf in a non-ppr.  Came here looking for justification to put him in my lineup but I'm not finding it. 

 

[TimmyG]

Getting down to the FF side of things, I currently have him on my bench in favor of DK Metcalf in a non-ppr.  Came here looking for justification to put him in my lineup but I'm not finding it. 

Also in a standard scoring. I have him in my flex spot over AP and Ross.  All the projections are low on him, but he’s an elite talent with an elite QB in the easiest of matchups. I’m going with his upside knowing it could be a zero just as easily. 

I dont blame you for starting DK. I probably would too. 

 

[kittenmittens]

I'm gonna start him over Mclarin, Mark Andrews, and Corey Davis... 

Figure if he plays, Brady will try to put up some numbers against Miami.  Miami is also Browns hometown, players usually like to do well in their home towns, and he has to prove he is worth all of this drama. 

 

[[scooter]]

Getting down to the FF side of things, I currently have him on my bench in favor of DK Metcalf in a non-ppr.  Came here looking for justification to put him in my lineup but I'm not finding it. 

If he's active, he's a top-20 WR this week.

 

[Soulfly3]

Raporport just stating live that if Kraft knew of the allegations before signing him, Brown would not be a Patriot...

I may be an idiot of the highest order, but I got a feeling Brown doesn't see the field tonight. You make a team you who ALWAYS have trouble with on the road gameplan for him, and then pull the rug.

This situation is bad. No one in NE was aware and he didn't tell the club literally on the day he signed that he KNEW this was going public same day.

Major oof.

 

[Dizzy]

If he's active, he's a top-20 WR this week.

I think he will be TD dependent this week. I think we can all agree that this week will be his lowest snap count of the season due to limited exposure to the playbook and few reps with Brady. Having said that, I'm sure some of the plays they've worked on have the end zone in mind.

We're all guessing... I'll guess 4-45 with a 50/50 shot at a TD.

 

[Anarchy99]

Raporport just stating live that if Kraft knew of the allegations before signing him, Brown would not be a Patriot...

I may be an idiot of the highest order, but I got a feeling Brown doesn't see the field tonight. You make a team you who ALWAYS have trouble with on the road gameplan for him, and then pull the rug.

This situation is bad. No one in NE was aware and he didn't tell the club literally on the day he signed that he KNEW this was going public same day.

Major oof.

I don’t believe this for a second. It’s very easy to say after the fact and plays to the “we take this very seriously” narrative. 

 

[Soulfly3]

I don’t believe this for a second. It’s very easy to say after the fact and plays to the “we take this very seriously” narrative. 

Schef and Rapoport and Darlington ALL stating Brown neglected to tell ANYONE at all that on the day of his signing this would be released.

He knew the deadline was the day prior at 10pm, before this went public and a lawsuit filed.

If he was so innocent, why didn't the Pats know this... And the raiders sure as hell didnt either and this has been going down since april

 

[Dizzy]

Raporport just stating live that if Kraft knew of the allegations before signing him, Brown would not be a Patriot...

I may be an idiot of the highest order, but I got a feeling Brown doesn't see the field tonight. You make a team you who ALWAYS have trouble with on the road gameplan for him, and then pull the rug.

This situation is bad. No one in NE was aware and he didn't tell the club literally on the day he signed that he KNEW this was going public same day.

Major oof.

Kraft? The billionaire that spends his spare time in a dirty, happy-finish parlor in FL?

Come on.

 

[Anarchy99]

Schef and Rapoport and Darlington ALL stating Brown neglected to tell ANYONE at all that on the day of his signing this would be released.

He knew the deadline was the day prior at 10pm, before this went public and a lawsuit filed.

If he was so innocent, why didn't the Pats know this... And the raiders sure as hell didnt either and this has been going down since april

AB and his accuser had CONFIDENTIAL negotiations for months to settle. The threat was they would go public and file a civil suit if Brown did not pay up.