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WR Antonio Brown, FA (2 Viewers)

Appearing on HBO's Real Sports, WR Antonio Brown claims the Buccaneers offered him $200,000 to seek mental health treatment. 

In the special, his attorney Sean Bursyn claims that: “The offer was Antonio would basically sit on the sidelines, go on some list — and commit himself to some form of intensive mental health treatment. And we were specifically told, in writing, by the general manager (Jason Licht) twice, “Don’t spin this any other way.” Brown has spent the last few days posting photoshops of him waving goodbye to the Bucs in the playoffs and putting himself in a Ravens jersey, so he is clearly Tweeting through it. We won't speculate on his mental health, but it's hard to see any other team putting their credibility on the line for Brown after how many emotional flameouts he's had over the last three years, regardless of his talent. 

SOURCE: Tampa Bay Times

Jan 25, 2022, 6:14 PM ET
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We won't speculate on his mental health, but it's hard to see any other team putting their credibility on the line for Brown after how many emotional flameouts he's had over the last three years, regardless of his talent. 
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Hilarious. That was said after his Raiders flameout and post-Patriots after all the sexual assault/erratic behavior came out. You'd think these guys would figure out as long as you aren't protesting social justice reforms and kneeling during the National Anthem, or get caught beating your wife on camera, you're going to get a 2nd chance. And even beating your wife as long as you get "counseling" you'll be back in a few years.

 
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The Frankman said:
Hilarious. That was said after his Raiders flameout and post-Patriots after all the sexual assault/erratic behavior came out. You'd think these guys would figure out as long as you aren't protesting social justice reforms and kneeling during the National Anthem, or get caught beating your wife on camera, you're going to get a 2nd chance. And even beating your wife as long as you get "counseling" you'll be back in a few years.
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You also need to be a difference maker and AB is well on his way to joining Rice and Kaepernick as not being one of those. 

 
menobrown said:
From what I understand AB made $85,000 for the two Tampa playoff games and could have made up to an additional $215,000 if they won the SB.....and he still pulled against them.
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You may be right but I would have guessed that, after quitting, he wouldn't get anything and could actually lose a percentage of his salary.  I guess he could always feign injury and the amount isn't worth challenging for the Bucs but, you know, just for karma, I wouldn't pay him.  

 
DropKick said:
You may be right but I would have guessed that, after quitting, he wouldn't get anything and could actually lose a percentage of his salary.
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If you play 8 games you automatically get a playoff share, that's mandated by the league/NFLPA. Rings are only thing that are optional. And if you are on opening day roster you automatically get your pay for the year unless you quit, and while you will say he quit by walking off the field he was officially released.

 
Faust said:
Appearing on HBO's Real Sports, WR Antonio Brown claims the Buccaneers offered him $200,000 to seek mental health treatment. 
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I watched this last night and it was a train wreck. Whoever suggested to AB that this was a good idea to give this interview and try and get his side out or garner sympathy gave him some horrendous advice.

The Frankman said:
You'd think these guys would figure out as long as you aren't protesting social justice reforms and kneeling during the National Anthem, or get caught beating your wife on camera, you're going to get a 2nd chance.
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I'm someone who has railed against people in the past saying he was done. This time might be different, he might really be done. Only think making me leave a light on is that Josina Anderson report a few weeks ago saying she knew for sure he had a job waiting on him. But that was before that interview last night.

It's no small thing he walked off the field during a game and his past antics but when you start talking about suing Tampa Bay for defamation/contract stuff that's what might finally get the door shut on him.

 
What blows my mind about this guy's bat#### antics, in both this season and prior, is the absolute disconnect between what he did on the field and off it. 

He wasn't a prospect. 6th round pick, average/below average combine metrics across the board, not tall, not strong, not that fast, didn't bring elite production in college.

Yet, he's inarguably one of the historically best WR's to ever play the game. In his age 33 season this year, if he didn't get hurt and maintained his pace we would've finished WR7 with a 96/1246/9 line (including his 3/26 stats in the bailout Jets game). 

So what's crazy is that he has to be a pretty intelligent, hard-working, savvy dude to overcome his disadvantages compared to his peers... and keep doing so in a dominating way year after year. How can you have those traits, be smart enough to recognize all the things that need to be done to succeed on the field, put in the epic levels of sweat equity required... and still be such a clownshow? 

 
Adso said:
So what's crazy is that he has to be a pretty intelligent, hard-working, savvy dude to overcome his disadvantages compared to his peers... and keep doing so in a dominating way year after year. How can you have those traits, be smart enough to recognize all the things that need to be done to succeed on the field, put in the epic levels of sweat equity required... and still be such a clownshow? 
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Kind of the like the old joke,  if I learn something new I have to forget something because my brain is full.

 
Dude really is mad as a hatter. :o  

”ANTONIO BROWNWR, UNSIGNED FREE AGENT

Antonio Brown told TMZ Sports that will not have ankle surgery unless a team commits to signing him.

With Tom Brady and the Buccaneers unlikely to bring Brown back, it's not clear what team would be willing to take a chance on him. Brown's insistence on a team commitment before seeing to his health only further reduces the chances that we will be on an NFL roster in 2022. It's likely that Brown's New York walk-off was the final moment of his NFL career”

 
Question, and I am sure this has probably been discussed in the past, but was he always unstable and Pittsburgh was just able to manage him, or is he been getting worse as the hits have piled up? 
 

Or, maybe not from concussions, but getting worse nonetheless?

 
Watched the video and found myself pleasantly surprised that he wasn't frothing at the mouth.   It didn't come off as a line in the sand ultimatum to me, but just more foolish posturing for the next job.

I wish they would have reported what the recovery time is for the ankle surgery.   Would a normal person get the surgery for this injury, or just those trying to play professional football at the highest level?  At any rate, I wouldn't be completely shocked if an agent talks him into having the surgery so he can make a pitch to teams with social media videos catching passes from so and so.

The thing is, I think the guy could get a job, baggage and all, if he was capable of screwing his head on right (enough) at some point this offseason.   There's just such a gap between the incentive laden contract that you can pay him and the production he's capable of, relative to the WR contracts that are getting dished out.   I don't think he's in anyone's plans for August, but into the season once injuries devastate receiving cores of teams with coaches and GMs under the directive to win now or be fired, usually someone gets desperate.   But yeah, he's probably incapable of getting out of his own way.    

 
Team Chaos said:
Question, and I am sure this has probably been discussed in the past, but was he always unstable and Pittsburgh was just able to manage him, or is he been getting worse as the hits have piled up? 
 

Or, maybe not from concussions, but getting worse nonetheless?
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I recall when he left PIT fans were saying he was crazy, and had pulled all kinds of weird antics. A lot of “good luck with that” comments from the fan base.

I think he’s always been a little off and PIT, was able to handle him. But he did get benched there, and there was also the FB live stream of the locker room (despite everyone telling him not to, including Roethlisberger) 

Then the Oakland / frostbitten foot / helmet nonsense happened, and then he peace-outted in-game with TB.

I don’t see him playing anywhere again, but hey, I’ve been wrong before. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I recall when he left PIT fans were saying he was crazy, and had pulled all kinds of weird antics. A lot of “good luck with that” comments from the fan base.

I think he’s always been a little off and PIT, was able to handle him. But he did get benched there, and there was also the FB live stream of the locker room (despite everyone telling him not to, including Roethlisberger) 

Then the Oakland / frostbitten foot / helmet nonsense happened, and then he peace-outted in-game with TB.

I don’t see him playing anywhere again, but hey, I’ve been wrong before. 
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I want to drop him but I can't......yet.

 
sushinsky4tsar said:
The thing is, I think the guy could get a job, baggage and all, if he was capable of screwing his head on right (enough) at some point this offseason.   There's just such a gap between the incentive laden contract that you can pay him and the production he's capable of, relative to the WR contracts that are getting dished out.   I don't think he's in anyone's plans for August, but into the season once injuries devastate receiving cores of teams with coaches and GMs under the directive to win now or be fired, usually someone gets desperate.   But yeah, he's probably incapable of getting out of his own way.    
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i wouldn’t bet on it. There are things one doesn’t do in professional sports. Dramatically stomping off the field mid-game is very, very high on that list.

And the claims he made about the Bucs were pretty outrageous, had no witness validation, and were somehow not caught on camera despite 6,724 cameras recording the event. 

I just don’t see any team signing up for that circus - not with a soon to be 34 year old WR. 

 
Team Chaos said:
Question, and I am sure this has probably been discussed in the past, but was he always unstable and Pittsburgh was just able to manage him, or is he been getting worse as the hits have piled up? 
 

Or, maybe not from concussions, but getting worse nonetheless?
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I definitely remember the days when the impression within the fantasy community was the consummate pro, incredible work ethic, etc..   I do think the Steelers were probably successful in keeping things out of the public spotlight for a long while.   Then the first diva story emerged, and it was like, AB said that?

And obviously things spiraled out of control from there.   Did Burfict break him?  Natural born diva and space cadet?   Combo of both?   I don't know.   Hope someone is able to convince him to leave his brain to science.   

 
AB has only had one surgery in his life, the knee surgery he had last year which apparently he put off awhile. Arians said something to extent that surgery scared AB and he was reluctant to get the first one so it would seem that concern still exists on his part.

 
JohnnyU said:
I want to drop him but I can't......yet.
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FFPC cuts are today and I'm cutting him in 3 leagues, retaining in one mainly because I don't have anything overly worth keeping and short on draft picks to obtain a solid buy low.

Again keep in mind these are 14 position players after cut in FFPC.

I was offered a late 4th for him a few weeks ago to a competitor of mine and refused. I'd rather just cut him vs handing him to someone else to play against me if he returns. I've held AB since 2012 startup in this league and would be hard to take someone using him against me for a peanuts return.

Just a few minutes ago someone offered  me 5.6, 6.6 and 7.6 for him in another league I've had him since 2016 startup and planned to cut him tonight. I'm mulling this one over.  It is hard to let go sometimes and at least by not trading him I leave him open to possibly retain.

Saying all of this I heavily lean on him being done for good this time.

 
menobrown said:
AB has only had one surgery in his life, the knee surgery he had last year which apparently he put off awhile. Arians said something to extent that surgery scared AB and he was reluctant to get the first one so it would seem that concern still exists on his part.
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Yeah, but if he wants to play & the surgery is necessary, he should have had it immediately after bouncing from that game.

Based on what he’s said/done so far, and based on his MO, this kind of reeks of AB wanting everyone to know his ankle is like, really serious you guys, and not something he made up when he did the most unprofessional thing a pro football player could possibly do. 

I’m just saying. This isn’t much different than posting his X-rays, as far as “appeals to the court of public opinion” go, and all he’s really doing is telling teams that he didn’t bother to get his injury repaired as a pro would have done months ago.

 
Team Chaos said:
Question, and I am sure this has probably been discussed in the past, but was he always unstable and Pittsburgh was just able to manage him, or is he been getting worse as the hits have piled up? 
 

Or, maybe not from concussions, but getting worse nonetheless?
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Two scouts say their teams had him off the board or drastically lowered where they placed when he came into the league due to a bi-polar designation that they say the whole league knew about. That the reason he went in round 6 was not because he's a smaller WR from Central Michigan but the bi-polar diagnosis. Now both of them might just be defending why they "missed" but he's given us plenty of behavior lately to put some weight into what they are saying.

I've read he had some really minor issues early on in Pittsburgh but nothing major and you'll never find anyone who says when it's time to work he's not the hardest worker going.  But for the most part the Steelers/Tomlin really managed him great.

He started going a little more off the rails after the Burfict hit but a few people, like ex-teammates, say he started acting differently when he started getting serious money.

 
menobrown said:
Two scouts say their teams had him off the board or drastically lowered where they placed when he came into the league due to a bi-polar designation that they say the whole league knew about. That the reason he went in round 6 was not because he's a smaller WR from Central Michigan but the bi-polar diagnosis. Now both of them might just be defending why they "missed" but he's given us plenty of behavior lately to put some weight into what they are saying.

I've read he had some really minor issues early on in Pittsburgh but nothing major and you'll never find anyone who says when it's time to work he's not the hardest worker going.  But for the most part the Steelers/Tomlin really managed him great.

He started going a little more off the rails after the Burfict hit but a few people, like ex-teammates, say he started acting differently when he started getting serious money.
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Thanks, that is interesting information and sounds like it would definitely fit his behavior. I had not heard that before.

 
Is there any information about if the NFL or if the Steelers and or the Buccaneers provided any treatment for Antonio's bi-polar diagnosis?

 
menobrown said:
Two scouts say their teams had him off the board or drastically lowered where they placed when he came into the league due to a bi-polar designation that they say the whole league knew about. That the reason he went in round 6 was not because he's a smaller WR from Central Michigan but the bi-polar diagnosis. Now both of them might just be defending why they "missed" but he's given us plenty of behavior lately to put some weight into what they are saying.

I've read he had some really minor issues early on in Pittsburgh but nothing major and you'll never find anyone who says when it's time to work he's not the hardest worker going.  But for the most part the Steelers/Tomlin really managed him great.

He started going a little more off the rails after the Burfict hit but a few people, like ex-teammates, say he started acting differently when he started getting serious money.
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Do you have an article with that information on it?   This is the first I've heard of him being diagnosed anything, let alone bipolar and before the draft even.

 
wgoldsph said:
Do you have an article with that information on it?   This is the first I've heard of him being diagnosed anything, let alone bipolar and before the draft even.
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No it's not in an article. I've mentioned it several times in the past in this thread over the last few years but it was in tweets by Greg Gabriel who scouted with Bears and Giants and an anonymous scout who still works in the league who I was able to locate a response he made to me I'll post below, can't find when they both initially made this claim but was within days of NE releasing him. ***and if you ask why should I believe this anonymous scout is real, I can say Jim Nagy among others confirmed he's real***

I'd say again like I did when I posted the info and I think every time I've posted the info this just their words which I said when I posted it. AB denies it and league can't release medical information of this nature.  I called one of them out on it because they  were basically trying to use his bi-polar as a way of justifying passing on him in the draft. I told them that was silly because no matter what his medical condition was entering the league he earned a second contract and had as good of a 6 year run as any WR in the league.

Again here is one reply I could find from the anonymous and still working NFL scout(he's a bit of a knucklehead) in response to me telling him he's not a mental expert and his employment should be for all 32 teams to individually consider, a conversation which started back when AB was openly asking the NFL to suspend him when before his signed his first Tampa Bay contract so teams knew what he was up against and could sign him.

@NotSoAngryScout

First of all mental health people said he has issues. He has been diagnosed as bi-polar, among some other stuff. It’s in our draft profiles on him. It’s why he was not a top 50 draft pick. Many had him off board back then. Steelers somehow kept it hidden from public for so long.

 
Bi-polar or not.. he comes across as flat out dumb.

I don't know how to say it without sounding like an ahole but he really comes across as bottom of the barrel intelligence.  These recent podcasts where I try to give him every benefit of the doubt... he just leaves no doubt.  Dumb as a box of rocks.

Coming from a huge fan of the player.

 
He's cuttable in almost all but the largest roster formats.

Just signed him to a roster in one Zealots league (every team has at least 40 players rostered right now).

 
Enderdog said:
I need to get ankle surgery, but I don't want to pay for it.
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This strikes me as either "entitled" or nuts.  I'll limp for the rest of my life rather than use .00002% of the money I made last year to get it fixed.  I'm an unemployed accountant who won't buy a new pen when the old one runs out because I used to get them for free at my last job!

 
menobrown said:
@NotSoAngryScout

First of all mental health people said he has issues. He has been diagnosed as bi-polar...
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I caught a documentary by British comedian/actor Stephen Frye.  I didn't realize how serious bi-polar can be.  Frye is concerned as he was suicidal, 8% of males with the disease commit suicide.  It affects 2.6% of the population (over 5 million people in the US) 

The disease has four levels of severity and Frye fears his disease will get worse. One of his best friends was Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia) who is/was  one of many with bi-polar.  It is a very serious disease.

Frye discussed it briefly with Larry King.

 Stephen Fry opens up about his bipolar disorder | Larry King Now

 
Had to let him go in 3 FFPC  leagues last night.

One of those leagues I took him at 5.10 of the startup draft in 2013. I'll be honest I remember mulling that pick over a little, wanted to trade back,  my hesitancy was thinking he was a solid young WR2/3 type but my holdup on him was I did not think he had enough upside. Until last night this made him my longest tenured player and I think the 9 years I had him puts him as most seasons I ever got out of a player, pretty good stretch for a league format that limits you to 14 position players in the off-season.

Another league I ended up accepting a peanuts trade of a 5.6, 6.6 and 7.6 vs cutting him, a trade I wavered on taking despite knowing I had to cut him. That league I also took him in the startup of 2015 but this time paid  iron price of 1.6 for him and he's the oldest player I've ever taking in round one of a startup.

Anyway after years of pulling for him I won't be as excited personally if he can get back in the league and for first time in history of these leagues would be helping someone else. But while he's definitely not the most sympathetic figure I still can't help but pull for him. Just hate seeing people throw it all away.

Wonder how long it will be until we see a WR get on a 6 year run of fantasy dominance like he was on again? Maybe we won't, was great to experience and benefit from all of it.

 
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