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It's easy for us desk jockeys and 9-5ers to say "of course take the money!". But I imagine there might be some regrets down the road of people who dedicated their entire lives to this game and spent the majority of their time playing recognized as the best athletes on the field to leave a very forgettable legacy on the biggest stage.
They've got about that much space scheduled to carry over from this year, plus they will save a boatload of money by waiving or trading Deebo after this year. Aiyuk at $22 million would be a bargain they'd be fine with.
How about Jauan Jennings to Steelers for a 5th, and a 7th could be thrown in if SF is greedy? SF frees up some $ to pay Aiyuk. He's averaged about 25 recs with 49ers and is projected for less this year. Steelers get a big body WR. SF signs Aiyuk. Win-Win.
Steelers have 10 picks next year. They can move a few.
Brandon Aiyuk is getting frustrated with the San Francisco 49ers. That is why he sought out a meeting with them on Monday amid contract negotiations. Aiyuk, as
I would not say no leverage, I'd say very little and next to none with respect to this year. I get they are over the cap in 2025 but the cap likely increases and they have several contracts they can adjust with very few players on the roster with guaranteed money in 25.
They control his rights for the next two years for approximately $18-19M a year when the going rate for someone like him is in the range of $10M more a year. With the CBA making holdouts almost entirely a thing of the past I'm just failing to see were he has much of a strong leverage to get SF to pay the going rate he'd get on the open market.
If the cap hit,acrimony, Aiyuk possibly not signing until camp is over being issues SF does not want to deal with next year they can just tag and trade him next year. Won't be a huge return because of the contract but that still does not give him any leverage for this season and by leverage I mean he really has no choice but to play on the 5th year option and if it turns out that way to play on the franchise tag in 2025. Those are things he really has no leverage on if SF wants to go that route.
There are several differences in how SF is handling Aiyuk and how the Bengals are handling Tee Higgins but some similarities as well and the key one being those teams view themselves as legit SB contenders who have contractual rights to these players and neither are in a rush to move them with the knowledge it makes their teams weaker. I think these teams would just as well suck all they can from these players under the contractual terms they control and if they choose to do that and have cap space for it there realy is nothing the players can do but play it out until they hit UFA.
Yes. His RAS score was INSANE. Gotta show he can do it, but as a prospect, I'm very high on him being able to do the little stuff that Aiyuk does, potentially even better. Faster, route separation, etc
I would not say no leverage, I'd say very little and next to none with respect to this year. I get they are over the cap in 2025 but the cap likely increases and they have several contracts they can adjust with very few players on the roster with guaranteed money in 25.
They control his rights for the next two years for approximately $18-19M a year when the going rate for someone like him is in the range of $10M more a year. With the CBA making holdouts almost entirely a thing of the past I'm just failing to see were he has much of a strong leverage to get SF to pay the going rate he'd get on the open market.
If the cap hit,acrimony, Aiyuk possibly not signing until camp is over being issues SF does not want to deal with next year they can just tag and trade him next year. Won't be a huge return because of the contract but that still does not give him any leverage for this season and by leverage I mean he really has no choice but to play on the 5th year option and if it turns out that way to play on the franchise tag in 2025. Those are things he really has no leverage on if SF wants to go that route.
There are several differences in how SF is handling Aiyuk and how the Bengals are handling Tee Higgins but some similarities as well and the key one being those teams view themselves as legit SB contenders who have contractual rights to these players and neither are in a rush to move them with the knowledge it makes their teams weaker. I think these teams would just as well suck all they can from these players under the contractual terms they control and if they choose to do that and have cap space for it there realy is nothing the players can do but play it out until they hit UFA.
I'd say his best leverage is time. Eventually, Chase and CD are going to sign new deals. Say they make him play this season out and franchise him next year. 2026 rolls around with Purdy and Aiyuk both needing a new contract in the same year. My guess is his contract he signs today will be much cheaper than the one he signs coming off a franchise tag in 2026. Its a dicey game to play and it seems most are assuming Deebo will be gone, we don't know *yet* what Pearsall can do, but by 2026 we should have a clue. But what if Deebo is gone, Pearsall isn't on the level Aiyuk and they have to negotiate with both guys at the same time, knowing pretty much they need each other to succeed. Guessing Kittle will be gone by this time in this scenario as well since he would be 33 years old in this scenario.
Aiyuk looked near elite in the games I saw this year. Having a QB playing great like Purdy brought out the best in Aiyuk. Kittle, CMC, and Deebo on the same team also helped. He was #2 in WR PFF grades in 2023. He's a very good blocker, which Pearsall isn't.
Say they make him play this season out and franchise him next year. 2026 rolls around with Purdy and Aiyuk both needing a new contract in the same year. My guess is his contract he signs today will be much cheaper than the one he signs coming off a franchise tag in 2026. Its a dicey game to play and it seems most are assuming Deebo will be gone, we don't know *yet* what Pearsall can do, but by 2026 we should have a clue.
His leverage next year is his cap number on the franchise tag. Apologies, but you cannot tell me that carrying 25 mil next year is no big deal, while discussing how the 49ers cannot afford to keep him long term. That math does not math.
They can sign him to a deal where his cap numbers won't go above 20 mil for three years. Having him on the cap at 20- whatever for one year and letting him go is not the plan. Plus he's a really good player.
Brandon Aiyuk is getting frustrated with the San Francisco 49ers. That is why he sought out a meeting with them on Monday amid contract negotiations. Aiyuk, as
I would not say no leverage, I'd say very little and next to none with respect to this year. I get they are over the cap in 2025 but the cap likely increases and they have several contracts they can adjust with very few players on the roster with guaranteed money in 25.
They control his rights for the next two years for approximately $18-19M a year when the going rate for someone like him is in the range of $10M more a year. With the CBA making holdouts almost entirely a thing of the past I'm just failing to see were he has much of a strong leverage to get SF to pay the going rate he'd get on the open market.
If the cap hit,acrimony, Aiyuk possibly not signing until camp is over being issues SF does not want to deal with next year they can just tag and trade him next year. Won't be a huge return because of the contract but that still does not give him any leverage for this season and by leverage I mean he really has no choice but to play on the 5th year option and if it turns out that way to play on the franchise tag in 2025. Those are things he really has no leverage on if SF wants to go that route.
There are several differences in how SF is handling Aiyuk and how the Bengals are handling Tee Higgins but some similarities as well and the key one being those teams view themselves as legit SB contenders who have contractual rights to these players and neither are in a rush to move them with the knowledge it makes their teams weaker. I think these teams would just as well suck all they can from these players under the contractual terms they control and if they choose to do that and have cap space for it there realy is nothing the players can do but play it out until they hit UFA.
I'd say his best leverage is time. Eventually, Chase and CD are going to sign new deals. Say they make him play this season out and franchise him next year. 2026 rolls around with Purdy and Aiyuk both needing a new contract in the same year. My guess is his contract he signs today will be much cheaper than the one he signs coming off a franchise tag in 2026. Its a dicey game to play and it seems most are assuming Deebo will be gone, we don't know *yet* what Pearsall can do, but by 2026 we should have a clue. But what if Deebo is gone, Pearsall isn't on the level Aiyuk and they have to negotiate with both guys at the same time, knowing pretty much they need each other to succeed. Guessing Kittle will be gone by this time in this scenario as well since he would be 33 years old in this scenario.
Won't Purdy likely be extended next offseason (i.e., before the 2025 season)? Typically, all rookie QBs who show they are franchise-level QBs by the end of their 3rd season get extended before their 4th season. I can't think of the last one that wasn't.
I assume Purdy's cap hits will follow the typical franchise QB extension pattern, with the really big cap hits not starting until the player's 7th season, which for Purdy will be 2028, and the cap will go up by a huge amount by then. As a reasonable comparable example, see Hurts' contract.
Not sure this changes much about your point, it's just that I don't think the scenario is likely to play out exactly how you characterized it.
His leverage next year is his cap number on the franchise tag. Apologies, but you cannot tell me that carrying 25 mil next year is no big deal, while discussing how the 49ers cannot afford to keep him long term. That math does not math.
They can sign him to a deal where his cap numbers won't go above 20 mil for three years. Having him on the cap at 20- whatever for one year and letting him go is not the plan. Plus he's a really good player.
Brandon Aiyuk is getting frustrated with the San Francisco 49ers. That is why he sought out a meeting with them on Monday amid contract negotiations. Aiyuk, as
IIRC Lombardi at the Athletic really nerds out about this stuff if you want an in depth look. The TLDR version is that they can afford him at the franchise number next year. Obviously the team would prefer not to do that because they don't want a star player being a locker room cancer for the next two seasons as a result of a contract dispute, but the team has some leverage here even if you want to dismiss SI saying so.
IIRC Lombardi at the Athletic really nerds out about this stuff if you want an in depth look. The TLDR version is that they can afford him at the franchise number next year. Obviously the team would prefer not to do that because they don't want a star player being a locker room cancer for the next two seasons as a result of a contract dispute, but the team has some leverage here even if you want to dismiss SI saying so.
It's easy for us desk jockeys and 9-5ers to say "of course take the money!". But I imagine there might be some regrets down the road of people who dedicated their entire lives to this game and spent the majority of their time playing recognized as the best athletes on the field to leave a very forgettable legacy on the biggest stage.
Where did I say that anywhere? I said he's in a **** situation. There is no easy decision imo. He can choose less money and odds on a better legacy, or more money and risk going to a much worse situation. Considering how good SF is, I'd say that's a high risk too. Not many places for him to go and improve his chances at a SB.
Where did I say that anywhere? I said he's in a **** situation. There is no easy decision imo. He can choose less money and odds on a better legacy, or more money and risk going to a much worse situation.
Where did I say that anywhere? I said he's in a **** situation. There is no easy decision imo. He can choose less money and odds on a better legacy, or more money and risk going to a much worse situation.
Whatever bud, you seem set to be argumentative for whatever reason; putting words in my mouth and now misrepresenting what I'm saying, seemingly on purpose. I'd say all his media blurbs and videos make it seem like HE'S not very happy with his situation. And considering he isn't in control right now, the 49ers are, I think it's pretty obvious why.
Tom Pelissero, speaking on The Insiders on NFL Network, said on Wednesday, "Here's what I can tell you. Aiyuk and 49ers' brass met on Monday at Aiyuk's request. This was a good meeting. From what I was told, both sides said things that needed to be said, and they're going to keep working.
"It's important to note here, there's never been a trade request from Brandon Aiyuk. That hasn't changed. The 49ers' stance hasn't changed either, despite getting trade calls on Aiyuk going back to draft week. They're moving forward, and they want Aiyuk to be a part of the team in 2024. So what I would anticipate here is all parties involved will go ahead and enjoy the 4th of July holiday, regroup sometime after that. They've still got several weeks here to see if they can hammer out a deal that locks in Brandon Aiyuk with San Francisco for the long haul."
Fans of the San Francisco 49ers are getting tired of hearing about the drama between wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk and the 49ers. The star receiver is trying to...
Whatever bud, you seem set to be argumentative for whatever reason; putting words in my mouth and now misrepresenting what I'm saying, seemingly on purpose. I'd say all his media blurbs and videos make it seem like HE'S not very happy with his situation. And considering he isn't in control right now, the 49ers are, I think it's pretty obvious why
Apologies, I'm not being argumentative, I just disagree.
I think people are waaaaay ahead of themselves in terms of how dire this scenario is-- for anyone.
Both sides are negotiating. I think SF can sign him if Aiyuk comes in under 30 mil average, by the time his big money kicks in, guys like Williams and Kittle are gone.
I won't be the slightest bit surprised when/if SF signs him. We've send teams with tighter cap than that sign their studs.
Whatever bud, you seem set to be argumentative for whatever reason; putting words in my mouth and now misrepresenting what I'm saying, seemingly on purpose. I'd say all his media blurbs and videos make it seem like HE'S not very happy with his situation. And considering he isn't in control right now, the 49ers are, I think it's pretty obvious why
Apologies, I'm not being argumentative, I just disagree.
I think people are waaaaay ahead of themselves in terms of how dire this scenario is-- for anyone.
Both sides are negotiating. I think SF can sign him if Aiyuk comes in under 30 mil average, by the time his big money kicks in, guys like Williams and Kittle are gone.
I won't be the slightest bit surprised when/if SF signs him. We've send teams with tighter cap than that sign their studs.
I can definitely see that as well. And I should have clarified what comes off to me and/or others as unhappiness and frustration could, and likely is, undoubtedly be part of the "dance" of negotiations. Which also I should have considered as a pretty decent form of leverage for him. If done without alienating himself from the team, it can certainly put some pressure on the organization. And if they fail to come to an agreement with him, and play goes down when he's gone; I'm sure they will be hearing about it from fans and the media. I wouldn't wager it's their top priority, but I don't think they can ignore it completely either.
I'm still personally torn on how much he really means to the success of that team. Recognizing how great of a talent he is, but also seeing how much meat they leave on the bone with him every year and still finding themselves at the top of the pile come end of season. I think he's worth what he's asking, and the price would only go up after other big name WRs get signed. Just not sure he's worth it to the 49ers. To your point though, once they lose Kittle and Williams and even probably Deebo (if not to another team, just to wear and tear and age decline), maybe they'll find themselves in a spot in just a couple years where they DO need a guy like Aiyuk to carry the weight of the offense.
This is a good read. It's always nice when the numbers confirm what my eyes tell me...which is that BA is elite. But it also explains why SF is not very motivated to pay him that way.
It's either Deebo or Aiyuk. Why else would they spend their first round pick on a WR? Persall is touted as a "good route runner" with good hands etc. his RP charting suggests he's highly versatile.. by the time either Deebo or Aiyuk gets shipped out or walks, they've trained someone to fill one of their shoes- to a degree.
It's either Deebo or Aiyuk. Why else would they spend their first round pick on a WR? Persall is touted as a "good route runner" with good hands etc. his RP charting suggests he's highly versatile.. by the time either Deebo or Aiyuk gets shipped out or walks, they've trained someone to fill one of their shoes- to a degree.
It's either Deebo or Aiyuk. Why else would they spend their first round pick on a WR? Persall is touted as a "good route runner" with good hands etc. his RP charting suggests he's highly versatile.. by the time either Deebo or Aiyuk gets shipped out or walks, they've trained someone to fill one of their shoes- to a degree
He is going to play for the Niners. I have zero concerns about that, but if this does not get worked out, I would be concerned about a disgruntled player. I'll add that I do think it will get worked out.
He is going to play for the Niners. I have zero concerns about that, but if this does not get worked out, I would be concerned about a disgruntled player. I'll add that I do think it will get worked out.
It really comes down to if they can meet in the middle cash wise. SF wants him back but doesn't want to pay him what the top WRs are now getting. Will Aiyuk come down a bit from his asking price? Unfortunately he sees it as personal.
He is going to play for the Niners. I have zero concerns about that, but if this does not get worked out, I would be concerned about a disgruntled player. I'll add that I do think it will get worked out.
It really comes down to if they can meet in the middle cash wise. SF wants him back but doesn't want to pay him what the top WRs are now getting. Will Aiyuk come down a bit from his asking price? Unfortunately he sees it as personal.
It's his first big contract after the rookie deal. He worked his entire career for this moment and earned his place amongst the elite. Why wouldn't he feel disrespected?
How important is it to Aiyuk receiving the respect of being paid as elite vs settle for millions less? There are teams who will pay it, so he needs to navigate the best path to get there over the next couple seasons or be cool letting the 9ers get a discount. Best case is call the 9ers bluff... make me the highest paid WR or trade me and they cave. Worst case, 9ers get a discount elite WR who is disgruntled and nurses his injuries like Lamar.
Brandon Aiyuk went on The Pivot Podcast last week. Some content:
Said that there have been days where he's thought a deal with the 49ers has been very close and days when he's thought it's been very far away.
Aiyuk said that he has "one more meeting" with the 49ers (referring to the one earlier this week). Aiyuk said if that meeting didn't go in the right direction, he would be open to playing with his friend Jayden Daniels in Washington.
The meeting reportedly went well. And of course, it should be noted that any trade would be the 49ers' decision and not Aiyuk's.
Says he does think about what kind of statistical production he could put up if he was on an offense that would be able to feature him more in the pass game. (given their load of weapons, the 49ers didn't provide Aiyuk a huge target share (#23). But he ranked #1 in yards per target)
On his “they don't want me” comment:
“They told me that they didn't think we were on the same page and they didn’t believe they were going to and that was about it at that time. But it’s part of the contract negotiations.”
CItes his blocking ability when touting his value for these contract negotiations with the 49ers: "I'm an extended tackle."
Says "he's enjoying the process" of this contract negotiation. Mentions that he's been a constant fixture in the media recently as part of that answer. "Social media is a way for me to leverage myself and what I'm trying to get... I'm just trying to get the facts out there."
He was also asked about taking a "hometown discount" and he said "We'll see".
Says on the pre-taped Pivot podcast that he'll return to the 49ers' building to work out. He shouts out to SF strength coach Dustin Perry. This morning, Aiyuk showed himself driving into the 49ers' facility on IG live. So we can connect the dots on that one.
Asked if he had to take a guess on what uniform he will be wearing in 2024: "If I had to take a guess, probably a Niners uniform. If not a Niners uniform, probably a Washington Commanders uniform...or a Steelers uniform."
He is going to play for the Niners. I have zero concerns about that, but if this does not get worked out, I would be concerned about a disgruntled player. I'll add that I do think it will get worked out.
It really comes down to if they can meet in the middle cash wise. SF wants him back but doesn't want to pay him what the top WRs are now getting. Will Aiyuk come down a bit from his asking price? Unfortunately he sees it as personal.
It's his first big contract after the rookie deal. He worked his entire career for this moment and earned his place amongst the elite. Why wouldn't he feel disrespected?
How important is it to Aiyuk receiving the respect of being paid as elite vs settle for millions less? There are teams who will pay it, so he needs to navigate the best path to get there over the next couple seasons or be cool letting the 9ers get a discount. Best case is call the 9ers bluff... make me the highest paid WR or trade me and they cave. Worst case, 9ers get a discount elite WR who is disgruntled and nurses his injuries like Lamar.
It is a business. he shouldn't take negotiations personal. It takes a long road and it takes a while. It is why most players don't get involved directly with it. He has all the right to leave and go somewhere else for more money.
SF going to do what they need to do to stay competitive - they have a lot of great players to pay including the QB next year.
Him saying "they don't want me" isn't true at all. They offered him a contract that pays a lot of cash. He's taking it personal but it isn't. It is just the organization trying to fit all their stars in their salary system.
He can wait and go somewhere else and get paid more but the team could suck. If that is what he wants then he can go that route. I'm just saying he shouldn't be airing the negotiation on social media. It never works out for either side going on social media.
Just get a deal done or agree to part ways. The process is not a "fun" one but it isn't personal and he shouldn't feel that way.
I think the fact that “he” called a meeting tells me he prefers to stay in SF. He has worked hard and earned his position, it is up to SF if they want to pay him what he thinks he deserves. Neither party is in the wrong, but SF may just decide it doesn’t make good business sense to meet his demands. He will be set for life even if he plays next year under contract, so it may come down to him “settling” or moving on if someone is willing to give him a few million more if that is what is most important to him. I would guess it comes down to ego as he sees what other peers are grabbing recently.
This thread should go on hiatus until the 49ers get him squared away.
Every sharp on this board knows this is the 9'ers M.O. with contracts. Deals get done in August.
They're in a legit Super Bowl window with Mr. Irrelevant skillfully manning the pivot.
Lynch/Shanahan et. al. are too smart to break up the band at their zenith.
Aiyuk isn't going anywhere in 2024, and most folks here are savvy enough to strategize with that being a 'known'.
I thought they were going to unload him at the draft. Although I disagree there is zero chance of him being traded, it does feel like they will find a way to extend him.
He is going to play for the Niners. I have zero concerns about that, but if this does not get worked out, I would be concerned about a disgruntled player. I'll add that I do think it will get worked out.
It really comes down to if they can meet in the middle cash wise. SF wants him back but doesn't want to pay him what the top WRs are now getting. Will Aiyuk come down a bit from his asking price? Unfortunately he sees it as personal.
It's his first big contract after the rookie deal. He worked his entire career for this moment and earned his place amongst the elite. Why wouldn't he feel disrespected?
How important is it to Aiyuk receiving the respect of being paid as elite vs settle for millions less? There are teams who will pay it, so he needs to navigate the best path to get there over the next couple seasons or be cool letting the 9ers get a discount. Best case is call the 9ers bluff... make me the highest paid WR or trade me and they cave. Worst case, 9ers get a discount elite WR who is disgruntled and nurses his injuries like Lamar.
It is a business. he shouldn't take negotiations personal. It takes a long road and it takes a while. It is why most players don't get involved directly with it. He has all the right to leave and go somewhere else for more money.
SF going to do what they need to do to stay competitive - they have a lot of great players to pay including the QB next year.
Him saying "they don't want me" isn't true at all. They offered him a contract that pays a lot of cash. He's taking it personal but it isn't. It is just the organization trying to fit all their stars in their salary system.
He can wait and go somewhere else and get paid more but the team could suck. If that is what he wants then he can go that route. I'm just saying he shouldn't be airing the negotiation on social media. It never works out for either side going on social media.
Just get a deal done or agree to part ways. The process is not a "fun" one but it isn't personal and he shouldn't feel that way.
I don't know if that is the case. Sometimes, going public can move things along. I also think some agents leak information to get their clients' views out there, and the client coming out and speaking in public or on social media can be a tool to get things moving. Sometimes, you want action and must grease the wheel to get the action to move in one direction or another. I don't see anything wrong with this; it's a business, and this is how things work. The teams know it and do the same things. The media can be an essential tool. Player's careers are very short. Do what you have to do. At the same time, the team has to do what is best for the team now and for the future.
They currently have $32 mil in cap space they can rollover to next season, and the cap will go up again as well.
It's too early to tell how much of that $32 mil they will be able to rollover, but between that, restructures, and salaries that will be off the books, they won't be in cap hell as bad as everyone thinks, even with Purdys new contract.
They can absolutely afford to pay Aiyuk now and Purdy next season.
Purdy will likely be extended next offseason (i.e., before the 2025 season). Typically, all rookie QBs who show they are franchise-level QBs by the end of their 3rd season get extended before their 4th season. I can't think of the last one that wasn't. To be clear, the CBA does not allow for him to be extended before next offseason.
I assume Purdy's cap hits will follow the typical franchise QB extension pattern, with the really big cap hits not starting until the player's 7th season, which for Purdy will be 2028, and the cap will go up by a huge amount by then. As a reasonable comparable example, see Hurts' contract.
Purdy's contract is not going to prevent the 49ers from doing whatever they want for at least the next few years.
I used Hurts because he was not drafted in the first round, like Purdy, so no 5th year option was available. But looking at a bunch of recent extensions after year 3, it's a bit more of a mixed bag than I thought... there really aren't any big jumps before year 6 or 7, but in some cases there is more of a steady increase than a big jump at some point. The 49ers can definitely Purdy's extension so there isn't a big jump before year 7 or even possibly year 8 if they want that.
Sure, that may be his public stance, but behind closed doors he may be telling SF, “Washington will pay me and that’s where I want to play.”
Meanwhile, SF is saying, “We don’t care where you want to play or how much Washington is willing to pay you because you’re already under contract for $X. We’ll revisit at the end if the season.”
Obviously I don’t know any more than anyone else and less than many. Purely speculation. Just seems like there’s smoke to the Jayden Daniels thing, and SF might prefer to simply let him walk and go with Deebo and Pearsall rather than deal with what might otherwise be a disgruntled and distracting Aiyuk who’d rather be somewhere else.
Back in February, Aiyuk was asked of he wanted to re-sign with the 49ers, to which he replied: "If that's the right move, yeah." When asked what would constitute "the right move," he remarked: "Being a champion."
It seems being a champion is no longer a priority if he's willing to play for Washington or Pittsburgh.
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