WR Brandon Aiyuk, SF (3 Viewers)

[Gally]

I am not sure why OTHER people are unhappy.

Aiyuk FF owners and SF 49er fans are unhappy because it affects them. That is the sole reason.

 

[Terpman22]

You'd be pressed to find a longer thread with less information than this one.

 

[Wingnut]

Steve Young on wishy-washy Aiyuk:

"If you want to tear up the contract and do something big, then you might want to go the fifth year and go prove it out, to make sure that everybody's on board with you setting the market....If you're going to ask to be traded, then when they make a trade that works for them, you got to say you're up for it," Young continued. "You don't say, 'Oh, no, that doesn't work for me,' because then, it was like, 'Well, what do you want?'"

Young sees Aiyuk as being "in a bind" with two choices: play on the fifth-year option or accept the 49ers' latest offer. The challenge is that Aiyuk seemingly wants to remain in Santa Clara while also nearing the top of the receiver pay scale.

"I think, at the end of the day, Brandon's now sitting in front of a contract that's probably [one that] the 49ers have stretched as much as they possibly can. They don't want to set the market. They don't want to do it. They don't think it's the time."

"The agent's got to be able to figure out a way to bring that player to see the values other than the dollars," Young said. "... [To tell Aiyuk] there's a lot of great players out there that are playing with brutal teams that have no chance to see the full measure of who they could be as a player, and that's not you."

Steve Young critical of how Brandon Aiyuk and Trent Williams have handled 49ers contract standoffs

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[Chaka]

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

Actually every NFL player has chosen their employer.......it's the NFL. When you choose to work for a company (NFL) sometimes they decide that you need to work in the Cleveland office and tell you that you have to move there if you want to stay employed. If you decide not to work in that office your choice is to choose a different place to work.

Also, only the 200+ players drafted every year have no choice in which office of the NFL corporation they will have to work. Anyone not drafted can then go to individual offices within the corporation and decide which office they want to work for. So not everyone in the NFL was left without a choice.

There is also the choice to not work for the NFL. They have that choice too.

But the NFL isn't their employer and they will fight you to the death in court to prove that (even if we all know they are the employer).

They are 32 separate businesses, they try to define themselves loosely as a...what is it? Trade union? I forget and don't want to look it up. Whatever, essentially the same thing as the Broccoli Growers of America working together to further the interest of Big Broccoli and keep down Big Cauliflower.

That's semantics. The NFL is the employer. It's more like McDonalds. Each franchise has their own ownership but everyone works for McDonalds. The NFL has the added complication that if the franchises (teams) start folding the entire corporation will fail. It is in the NFL's best interest to have 32 strong franchises otherwise the league will end. So each team doesn't exactly want to put other teams out of business. Because without the other teams there is no business. The NFL corporation makes sure all teams are healthy because it has to.

It's not semantics at all. The NFL is not a corporation, it's a Trade Association formed by 32 individual businesses.

Under the "Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck" theory, sure you can call it a corporation but by any legal definition, so far, it is a Trade Association. At least the NFL will fight tooth-and-nail to maintain that classification.

And dissolving that status and forcing them to truly compete with each other on the open market won't cause a single franchise to fold. In fact, today the NFL owners are going to vote, and will absolutely approve, allowing private equity firms to own up to 10% of NFL franchises. That % will only grow over time so, if in the future an owner, or ownership group, can no longer afford to compete they will simply sell the franchise to PE and life will go on.

BURN.IT.DOWN!

 

[Chaka]

You'd be pressed to find a longer thread with less information than this one.

Okay, you got me. My bad.

 

[Big Nate]

After all this I feel Aiyuk will sign and stay in SF. SF wants him, he plays perfectly in their system and is a fantastic blocker (which is big in SF).

SF always waits to the last minute with their players. I'd be shocked if he isn't playing a 49er this year.

His route running is elite and he does everything SF wants for a WR. They are just trying to squeeze as much as possible out of this situation.

 

[pinkstapler]

After all this I feel Aiyuk will sign and stay in SF. SF wants him, he plays perfectly in their system and is a fantastic blocker (which is big in SF).

SF always waits to the last minute with their players. I'd be shocked if he isn't playing a 49er this year.

His route running is elite and he does everything SF wants for a WR. They are just trying to squeeze as much as possible out of this situation.

If NFL really were a soap opera, this is what happens, at a lower rate than what he and likely others will say he deserves. And then he will get an injury week 4 and we will all add another 30 pages to this thread while we wait to find out how serious it is; speculating that if it is potentially career altering/ending how we should MMQB all the decisions being made right now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

you.

49ers and Aiyuk don't seem angry or upset with either one, I am not sure why OTHER people are unhappy.

Guaranteed Shanny has a vein popping out in his forehead.

It's dragged out, but other players sign right before the season, this happens ALL the time

If he signs I’m sure all will be forgiven.

It just seems senseless that it’s dragged out this long.

 

[Snotbubbles]

His $14M salary is guaranteed. He isn't getting released, because that $14M would become a dead cap hit spread across the 2024 and 2025 caps, and SF would gain nothing. There is no cap hit to SF if he is traded; that would be a $14M cap savings.

Yes, these are the current terms of his contract. My question was rhetorical to the guy saying he isn't under a contract. Thanks for explaining it very succinctly.

You need to re-read what I wrote. I said NFL contracts are essentially one year contracts with the right to renew which needs to be exercised by both parties. When a team doesn't want to exercise their option they can trade or cut the player. When a player doesn't want to exercise their option they can request a trade/try to renegotiate/hold-out/retire. SF has exercised their option on the contract and are now bound by their terms, Aiyuk has not exercised his option and isn't bound by the terms.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I also find it disingenuous to say that a player on a rookie deal is "under contract" since their contract has been slotted and that player has little, to no, leverage to negotiate a contract on terms that they want

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

As a country we would go berserk if we tried to mandate this kind of anti-capitalist hiring system in any other industry.

BURN IT DOWN!!!

What's worse is the NFLPA, who negotiated the pay scale for the rookies, did not have their best interest at heart and destroyed their bargaining power for the benefit of their current members.

 

[Payne]

You'd be pressed to find a longer thread with less information than this one.

About a guy who thinks he is elite but isn't.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

Actually every NFL player has chosen their employer.......it's the NFL. When you choose to work for a company (NFL) sometimes they decide that you need to work in the Cleveland office and tell you that you have to move there if you want to stay employed. If you decide not to work in that office your choice is to choose a different place to work.

Also, only the 200+ players drafted every year have no choice in which office of the NFL corporation they will have to work. Anyone not drafted can then go to individual offices within the corporation and decide which office they want to work for. So not everyone in the NFL was left without a choice.

There is also the choice to not work for the NFL. They have that choice too.

I don't think you understand the relationship between the 32 NFL teams and the NFL League Offices.

 

[nyg350]

His $14M salary is guaranteed. He isn't getting released, because that $14M would become a dead cap hit spread across the 2024 and 2025 caps, and SF would gain nothing. There is no cap hit to SF if he is traded; that would be a $14M cap savings.

Yes, these are the current terms of his contract. My question was rhetorical to the guy saying he isn't under a contract. Thanks for explaining it very succinctly.

You need to re-read what I wrote. I said NFL contracts are essentially one year contracts with the right to renew which needs to be exercised by both parties. When a team doesn't want to exercise their option they can trade or cut the player. When a player doesn't want to exercise their option they can request a trade/try to renegotiate/hold-out/retire. SF has exercised their option on the contract and are now bound by their terms, Aiyuk has not exercised his option and isn't bound by the terms.

I agree with you from a practical standpoint. But aiyuk is technically bound by his contract. SF had to the option to exercise it and he basically got forced into the 5th year rookie option. It was a one sided option from a legal perspective.

I believe If he chooses to sit out, he will obviously not get paid. But the bigger issue is if he simply does not show up and sits out the season for non-injury reasons, I believe his contract will not toll and he will be stuck with the same contract for next year. I believe he has to play 6 games for the contract to count (games missed because of injury count, I believe). I may be wrong, but this is the way I understand it.


This would be a huge mess and something the 49ers don’t want to do, which is why they are negotiating with him.

 

[Terpman22]

You'd be pressed to find a longer thread with less information than this one.

About a guy who thinks he is elite but isn't.

And ya know, I'm kinda "on that side" too. Now I'm just further adding my own opinion just like everyone else here!

Admittedly I am rooting as an Eagles fan to see him moved, making their year more difficult for them.

But I don't think it happens. I think they both played the negotiation wrong and man, as a player, you see THIS MANY WR extensions get done right when you want yours, I can't blame the guy for trying to get every single dollar he can. I also think there is, above the dollars being earned, the symbolism/bragging right of being the "_____" highest paid player at his position. There is a pride thing with that that I feel we probably don't even think about most times when it comes to these drawn out type of negotiations.

 

[Gally]

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

Actually every NFL player has chosen their employer.......it's the NFL. When you choose to work for a company (NFL) sometimes they decide that you need to work in the Cleveland office and tell you that you have to move there if you want to stay employed. If you decide not to work in that office your choice is to choose a different place to work.

Also, only the 200+ players drafted every year have no choice in which office of the NFL corporation they will have to work. Anyone not drafted can then go to individual offices within the corporation and decide which office they want to work for. So not everyone in the NFL was left without a choice.

There is also the choice to not work for the NFL. They have that choice too.

I don't think you understand the relationship between the 32 NFL teams and the NFL League Offices.

How so? Please enlighten me

 

[Leroy Hoard]

After all this I feel Aiyuk will sign and stay in SF. SF wants him, he plays perfectly in their system and is a fantastic blocker (which is big in SF).

Good points, but will this holdout affect him and the team enough to be a detriment to their winning games this year? Will there be a ramp up period before he returns to his expected level?

 

[Chaka]

I also find it disingenuous to say that a player on a rookie deal is "under contract" since their contract has been slotted and that player has little, to no, leverage to negotiate a contract on terms that they want

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

As a country we would go berserk if we tried to mandate this kind of anti-capitalist hiring system in any other industry.

BURN IT DOWN!!!

What's worse is the NFLPA, who negotiated the pay scale for the rookies, did not have their best interest at heart and destroyed their bargaining power for the benefit of their current members.

I mean...that was kind of the right thing to do. Some of those rookie contracts were getting out of hand.

ETA: I mean this from the perspective of what a union should be doing for their members. They should be trying to funnel as many benefits as possible to their existing membership.

 

[Wingnut]

Steve Young is right, there has to be value outside of dollars in being on a good team with a good system, coaches, and roster. There are plenty of great players on bad teams that will never sniff the playoffs. That HAS to count for something.

Like, if you worked your whole life to get to the NFL and your dream is to win a Lombardi trophy, and were offered these 2 deals:

$25 mil/yr on a yearly contender
$30 mil/yr on a yearly loser

Which do you take? We already saw BA refuse a trade to New England for around $30 mil/yr. He can't have his cake and eat it, too. He's not gonna get $30 mil/yr and stay in SF. It's one or the other.

And yes, an extra $5 million a year for 3-4 years is a lot of money. But is there a difference in lifestyle between 25 mil and 30 mil? It's generational wealth in both cases.

Or, like Young said, play on that 5th year salary and prove it, then maybe reset the market. With that scenario I could see SF being happy paying BA $14 million this season then moving on. With Purdys deal coming and possibly Pearsall and/or Cowing coming into their own, SF could let BA go and have those 2 guys on rookie deals for a few more years.

I was a big Aiyuk fan before this offseason. Not much of a fan anymore. I'll be happy if he stays because hes a good player and has great chemistry with Purdy, but all the noise he's created this offseason has soured me on him.

 

[Deamon]

This whole thing continues to be stupid.

 

[Rubi]

This whole thing continues to be stupid.

And we keep coming back here like a moth to the light

 

[TheWinz]

Good points, but will this holdout affect him and the team enough to be a detriment to their winning games this year?

It very well could. Aiyuk's actions are the exact opposite of what you want when a team is trying to gel. When he ends up remaining a 49'er, do you think he is going to be welcomed back with open arms by all the players and coaches? That's alot of people he's going to have to win back over. After hearing how Mike Evans has done his contracts, I am pretty sure he would hate being teammates with a guy like Aiyuk.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I also find it disingenuous to say that a player on a rookie deal is "under contract" since their contract has been slotted and that player has little, to no, leverage to negotiate a contract on terms that they want

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

As a country we would go berserk if we tried to mandate this kind of anti-capitalist hiring system in any other industry.

BURN IT DOWN!!!

What's worse is the NFLPA, who negotiated the pay scale for the rookies, did not have their best interest at heart and destroyed their bargaining power for the benefit of their current members.

I mean...that was kind of the right thing to do. Some of those rookie contracts were getting out of hand.

ETA: I mean this from the perspective of what a union should be doing for their members. They should be trying to funnel as many benefits as possible to their existing membership.

I'm trying to figure out what authority the NFLPA had to negotiate on behalf of people who are not members of their organization.

 

[Chaka]

I also find it disingenuous to say that a player on a rookie deal is "under contract" since their contract has been slotted and that player has little, to no, leverage to negotiate a contract on terms that they want

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

As a country we would go berserk if we tried to mandate this kind of anti-capitalist hiring system in any other industry.

BURN IT DOWN!!!

What's worse is the NFLPA, who negotiated the pay scale for the rookies, did not have their best interest at heart and destroyed their bargaining power for the benefit of their current members.

I mean...that was kind of the right thing to do. Some of those rookie contracts were getting out of hand.

ETA: I mean this from the perspective of what a union should be doing for their members. They should be trying to funnel as many benefits as possible to their existing membership.

I'm trying to figure out what authority the NFLPA had to negotiate on behalf of people who are not members of their organization.

They didn't, really. They negotiated a change of how the revenue they share with the 32 individual teams is distributed. The piece allocated to incoming players was reduced.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Steve Young is right, there has to be value outside of dollars in being on a good team with a good system, coaches, and roster. There are plenty of great players on bad teams that will never sniff the playoffs. That HAS to count for something.

The landscape of the NFL changes quickly. What are the 49ers going to look like in 3 years?

 

[Snotbubbles]

I also find it disingenuous to say that a player on a rookie deal is "under contract" since their contract has been slotted and that player has little, to no, leverage to negotiate a contract on terms that they want

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

As a country we would go berserk if we tried to mandate this kind of anti-capitalist hiring system in any other industry.

BURN IT DOWN!!!

What's worse is the NFLPA, who negotiated the pay scale for the rookies, did not have their best interest at heart and destroyed their bargaining power for the benefit of their current members.

I mean...that was kind of the right thing to do. Some of those rookie contracts were getting out of hand.

ETA: I mean this from the perspective of what a union should be doing for their members. They should be trying to funnel as many benefits as possible to their existing membership.

I'm trying to figure out what authority the NFLPA had to negotiate on behalf of people who are not members of their organization.

They didn't, really. They negotiated a change of how the revenue they share with the 32 individual teams is distributed. The pie allocated to incoming players was reduced.

They did more than that. They instituted a wage scale based on draft position.

 

[Tau837]

I also find it disingenuous to say that a player on a rookie deal is "under contract" since their contract has been slotted and that player has little, to no, leverage to negotiate a contract on terms that they want

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

As a country we would go berserk if we tried to mandate this kind of anti-capitalist hiring system in any other industry.

BURN IT DOWN!!!

What's worse is the NFLPA, who negotiated the pay scale for the rookies, did not have their best interest at heart and destroyed their bargaining power for the benefit of their current members.

I mean...that was kind of the right thing to do. Some of those rookie contracts were getting out of hand.

ETA: I mean this from the perspective of what a union should be doing for their members. They should be trying to funnel as many benefits as possible to their existing membership.

I'm trying to figure out what authority the NFLPA had to negotiate on behalf of people who are not members of their organization.

They didn't, really. They negotiated a change of how the revenue they share with the 32 individual teams is distributed. The pie allocated to incoming players was reduced.

They did more than that. They instituted a wage scale based on draft position.

This happens with every union that negotiates collective bargaining agreements. There are 16M Americans who work in union CBA covered jobs.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Steve Young is right, there has to be value outside of dollars in being on a good team with a good system, coaches, and roster. There are plenty of great players on bad teams that will never sniff the playoffs. That HAS to count for something.

Like, if you worked your whole life to get to the NFL and your dream is to win a Lombardi trophy, and were offered these 2 deals:

$25 mil/yr on a yearly contender
$30 mil/yr on a yearly loser

Which do you take? We already saw BA refuse a trade to New England for around $30 mil/yr. He can't have his cake and eat it, too. He's not gonna get $30 mil/yr and stay in SF. It's one or the other.

And yes, an extra $5 million a year for 3-4 years is a lot of money. But is there a difference in lifestyle between 25 mil and 30 mil? It's generational wealth in both cases.

Or, like Young said, play on that 5th year salary and prove it, then maybe reset the market. With that scenario I could see SF being happy paying BA $14 million this season then moving on. With Purdys deal coming and possibly Pearsall and/or Cowing coming into their own, SF could let BA go and have those 2 guys on rookie deals for a few more years.

I was a big Aiyuk fan before this offseason. Not much of a fan anymore. I'll be happy if he stays because hes a good player and has great chemistry with Purdy, but all the noise he's created this offseason has soured me on him.

The difference is not 5 million if in one contract has x amount guaranteed and the other has less guaranteed. Guaranteed money is all that matters these days the players want loyalty on their contracts and the owners want loyalty without having to pay for it.

 

[Soulfly3]

they're going to teach this calamity for years to come at Agent U.

 

[psychobillies]

Raise your hand if you complain about this thread being too lengthy, without any new info and that it gets bumped too often with no news but also have been arguing contract law in here for three pages.

 

[Lansdowne]

A very, very sick part of me is going to miss all the activity in this thread when this whole situation is finally resolved. If anything the responses have been entertaining as I've come to expect from the FBGers.

 

[massraider]

Steve
Young
is right, there has to be value outside of dollars in being on a good team with a good system, coaches, and roster

For sure.

That's why Steve Young took the bag from the LA Express of the USFL when he came out of college.

Hard to understate what a hypocritical complete and total donkey Steve Young is. Stick to hot take local radio, Steve.

 

[dkp993]

You'd be pressed to find a longer thread with less information than this one.

You obviously never spent time in the PSF prior to its shut down. Unless uninformed threads was it’s bread and butter.

 

[Chaka]

I also find it disingenuous to say that a player on a rookie deal is "under contract" since their contract has been slotted and that player has little, to no, leverage to negotiate a contract on terms that they want

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

As a country we would go berserk if we tried to mandate this kind of anti-capitalist hiring system in any other industry.

BURN IT DOWN!!!

What's worse is the NFLPA, who negotiated the pay scale for the rookies, did not have their best interest at heart and destroyed their bargaining power for the benefit of their current members.

I mean...that was kind of the right thing to do. Some of those rookie contracts were getting out of hand.

ETA: I mean this from the perspective of what a union should be doing for their members. They should be trying to funnel as many benefits as possible to their existing membership.

I'm trying to figure out what authority the NFLPA had to negotiate on behalf of people who are not members of their organization.

They didn't, really. They negotiated a change of how the revenue they share with the 32 individual teams is distributed. The pie allocated to incoming players was reduced.

They did more than that. They instituted a wage scale based on draft position.

Yes they did. I don't love it but l, again it is a union's responsibility to look after the best interests of their members and seniority absolutely factors into that.

Where they need to push harder is to shorten the length of initial contracts and fight to get rid of the fifth year option. That's going to be a tough fight but that's what unions do.

 

[travdogg]

Steve
Young
is right, there has to be value outside of dollars in being on a good team with a good system, coaches, and roster

For sure.

That's why Steve Young took the bag from the LA Express of the USFL when he came out of college.

Hard to understate what a hypocritical complete and total donkey Steve Young is. Stick to hot take local radio, Steve.

Man, I had the exact opposite reaction. Young seemed like a guy who regrets making that decision in hindsight. That doesn't make him a hypocrite, it makes him someone who learned something from their own mistake.

 

[Ray_T]

I also find it disingenuous to say that a player on a rookie deal is "under contract" since their contract has been slotted and that player has little, to no, leverage to negotiate a contract on terms that they want

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

As a country we would go berserk if we tried to mandate this kind of anti-capitalist hiring system in any other industry.

BURN IT DOWN!!!

What's worse is the NFLPA, who negotiated the pay scale for the rookies, did not have their best interest at heart and destroyed their bargaining power for the benefit of their current members.

I mean...that was kind of the right thing to do. Some of those rookie contracts were getting out of hand.

ETA: I mean this from the perspective of what a union should be doing for their members. They should be trying to funnel as many benefits as possible to their existing membership.

I'm trying to figure out what authority the NFLPA had to negotiate on behalf of people who are not members of their organization.

They didn't, really. They negotiated a change of how the revenue they share with the 32 individual teams is distributed. The pie allocated to incoming players was reduced.

They did more than that. They instituted a wage scale based on draft position.

Yes they did. I don't love it but l, again it is a union's responsibility to look after the best interests of their members and seniority absolutely factors into that.

Where they need to push harder is to shorten the length of initial contracts and fight to get rid of the fifth year option. That's going to be a tough fight but that's what unions do.

there is no way ownership will agree to getting rid of the 5th year option. not without a significant concession on the part of the union in another area.

if I were ownership If that was the ask I'd then ask to limit the max length of a contract to 5 years which would cut down on the number of ludicrous long term deals.

then of course the union would say no and there you would sit.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

This whole thing continues to be stupid.

You’re referring to this thread, I presume.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Where they need to push harder is to shorten the length of initial contracts and fight to get rid of the fifth year option. That's going to be a tough fight but that's what unions do

That’s what’s been disastrous for sure.

That said, when they do that all the players will start griping at the end of year 3 or beginning of year 4, and we just get the same result a year earlier, no?

 

[massraider]

Man, I had the exact opposite reaction. Young seemed like a guy who regrets making that decision in hindsight. That doesn't make him a hypocrite, it makes him someone who learned something from their own mistake.

Maybe, but a phone call might have been a better idea, than to go on Fellowship of the Miserable sports radio, and show his a$$$ like that.

CURRENT NFL players don't get into other players money, that is just good manners. Players know you don't walk out there and talk about another man's money.

So some old guy, (who made more in his day than Aiyuk will ever dream about), is mad Aiyuk isn't running to give a discount on maybe his ONLY big deal.

Once again, I am amazed at how altruistic and noble everyone is---when it is someone else's money. So crazy to me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I also find it disingenuous to say that a player on a rookie deal is "under contract" since their contract has been slotted and that player has little, to no, leverage to negotiate a contract on terms that they want

The NFL is the only system in America where new potential employees do not have at least some ability to choose their employer.

As a country we would go berserk if we tried to mandate this kind of anti-capitalist hiring system in any other industry.

BURN IT DOWN!!!

What's worse is the NFLPA, who negotiated the pay scale for the rookies, did not have their best interest at heart and destroyed their bargaining power for the benefit of their current members.

I mean...that was kind of the right thing to do. Some of those rookie contracts were getting out of hand.

ETA: I mean this from the perspective of what a union should be doing for their members. They should be trying to funnel as many benefits as possible to their existing membership.

I'm trying to figure out what authority the NFLPA had to negotiate on behalf of people who are not members of their organization.

They didn't, really. They negotiated a change of how the revenue they share with the 32 individual teams is distributed. The pie allocated to incoming players was reduced.

They did more than that. They instituted a wage scale based on draft position.

Yes they did. I don't love it but l, again it is a union's responsibility to look after the best interests of their members and seniority absolutely factors into that.

Where they need to push harder is to shorten the length of initial contracts and fight to get rid of the fifth year option. That's going to be a tough fight but that's what unions do.

there is no way ownership will agree to getting rid of the 5th year option. not without a significant concession on the part of the union in another area.

if I were ownership If that was the ask I'd then ask to limit the max length of a contract to 5 years which would cut down on the number of ludicrous long term deals.

then of course the union would say no and there you would sit.

Seems like what they need to do is fully guarantee all contracts.

Fewer years, more guaranteed. Everyone wins.

I mean, NFL will never win unless they get back what was the sports equivalent of indentured servitude, but that’s never coming back, so…

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So some old guy, (who made more in his day than Aiyuk will ever dream about), is mad Aiyuk isn't running to give a discount on maybe his ONLY big deal.

Once again, I am amazed at how altruistic and noble everyone is---when it is someone else's money. So crazy to me.

Yeah, Young’s a little out of line there, I agree.

 

[Ray_T]

So some old guy, (who made more in his day than Aiyuk will ever dream about), is mad Aiyuk isn't running to give a discount on maybe his ONLY big deal.

Once again, I am amazed at how altruistic and noble everyone is---when it is someone else's money. So crazy to me.

100% correct. players seem to follow the code of do not get involved in someone elses business (meaning contract squabble)

the most you ever see is players saying 'we miss you, try to get the business done so we can play some football' (paraphrased)

 

[Wingnut]

Steve
Young
is right, there has to be value outside of dollars in being on a good team with a good system, coaches, and roster

For sure.

Regardless of who said it, the point is valid.

I miss when football wasn't about the money.

 

[massraider]

And listen, there might be a financial point, where the average person doesn't care about an extra million or three. NFL contracts are not that point.

You see those contract numbers, and the guy gets about 40% of that, and who knows how many years they gonna play. You gonna not really care about 2 million, when you can blow out an Achilles at any time? Golllllllly, I am just happy to be here, and hey, I am so overpaid already, don't sweat it!! Clearly, Mr. Billionaire Man, I should give you a coupon!

Even if you tried that, your agent, lawyers, wife, kids, and parents--someone will tell you to push for as much as possible.

Your wife will put the 30 for 30 Broke on the TV, and that will be that.

 

[massraider]

Regardless of who said it, the point is valid.

Maybe, and if players do that, we will make heroes out of them.

It should not be the default. And yet every holdout, we have to see the same thing

 

[massraider]

Give him 4 years, 100 mill guaranteed.

25 mill a year.

But they won't. Because they want to be able to cut them.

So, go get yours Brandon.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

If you want to play for free, fine; donate your salary to charity and live in a box under the bridge, but don't assume your union brothers want to do the same.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you want to play for free, fine; donate your salary to charity and live in a box under the bridge, but don't assume your union brothers want to do the same.

Last I checked $14 million guaranteed dollars isn’t “free”, nor would it require one to “live in a box under a bridge” even in California.

Solid hyperbole though.

 

[King of the Jungle]

They will sign him to whatever he wants if the Jets steal a victory in week one.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

They will sign him to whatever he wants if the Jets steal a victory in week one.

I literally just texted that almost word for word to my FF text group. lol

 

[habsfan]

If you want to play for free, fine; donate your salary to charity and live in a box under the bridge, but don't assume your union brothers want to do the same.

Last I checked $14 million guaranteed dollars isn’t “free”, nor would it require one to “live in a box under a bridge” even in California.

Solid hyperbole though.

If you're going to do that, at least hold enough back to get a decent van. Preferably one with an airbrushed paint job and those little round plastic windows near the back.