WR Brian Thomas Jr., JAX (4 Viewers)

[Buckna]

Just watched some “highlights” of that game. BTJ was running free for a TD and Lawrence just didn’t see him. At all.

Another drop too, but that long TD would have been the difference between a good or bad FF day.

When the guy drops everything the QB tends to look elsewhere.

Weird since the other dude didn’t catch it either on that play.

Individually, the Jaguars' four top wide receivers--Brian Thomas Jr., Dyami Brown, Travis Hunter, and Parker Washington--all rank in the top 10 in dropped passes heading into Week 4, per PFF.

Jaguars offense must get this major issue fixed

The Jaguars' offense must get this major issue fixed heading into Week 4.

jaguarswire.usatoday.com

So if TLaw doesn't throw to BTJ because he drops everything, why is he throwing it to three other guys who also drop everything?

 

[TampaMike19]

Going down with the ship

 

[Proteus]

Sunken so far into JAG-dom that no one even cares any more.

Bum.

Untradable. Unstartable. Bum.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Sunken so far into JAG-dom that no one even cares any more.

Bum.

Untradable. Unstartable. Bum.

It’s ok — Liam Coen is pleased with how Trevor is picking up the offense. No clue why…..but Coen sees something the rest of us don’t.

 

[Insein]

Can't start him. Can't trade him. Can't drop him. He's an afterthought in the offense.

 

[rockaction]

Just watched some “highlights” of that game. BTJ was running free for a TD and Lawrence just didn’t see him. At all.

Another drop too, but that long TD would have been the difference between a good or bad FF day.

When the guy drops everything the QB tends to look elsewhere.

Weird since the other dude didn’t catch it either on that play.

Individually, the Jaguars' four top wide receivers--Brian Thomas Jr., Dyami Brown, Travis Hunter, and Parker Washington--all rank in the top 10 in dropped passes heading into Week 4, per PFF.

Jaguars offense must get this major issue fixed

The Jaguars' offense must get this major issue fixed heading into Week 4.

jaguarswire.usatoday.com

So if TLaw doesn't throw to BTJ because he drops everything, why is he throwing it to three other guys who also drop everything?

I roster Thomas so of course that's full disclosure but I think that QBs have a bunch to do with drops. They've found uncertainty of where the ball is going influences drop rates.

Examining the relationship between dropped passes and quarterback performance

Looking at which NFL quarterbacks were harmed the most by incompletions that were a pass-catcher's fault.

www.pff.com

Examining whether drops should be attributed to receivers or quarterbacks

The long-held belief that drops are a receiver stat — not a quarterback stat — remains true when looking at drop rate over expected for both positions.

www.pff.com

So it's important and correlated but it's more on the receiver.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

YES!!!!!!!!

Winning by 3. With Worthy.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

That Trevor Lawrence scramble looked like me trying to take my pants off at the foot of my bed, after attending the distillery. What a mess. Feels good to see the Chiefs sucking.

Not sure how this offense is winning but Brian Thomas' value is not a beneficiary.

 

[Terpman22]

Jags win!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I dunno, I own this guy nowhere and have seen very little of him relative to most players, but been watching lately to see if he's a buy low target. It just seems like he never gets open. Every target the DB is draped all over him. Even that last long play at the end he just kind of got lucky that the DB mis-timed his jump. He was completely covered and made no play on the ball at all, the DB just whiffed.

 

[Guss]

Think it is safe to say Brian Thomas is a giant bust this season. Due to TL, the new offense, etc

I don't even know how the Jags score with how bad TL and the offense is to be honest

 

[rockaction]

I think what is really disappointing is that Thomas and Hunter were going to be the centerpieces of Coen’s offense and each of them would have eaten. Instead, Thomas really tended to shy away from the physical demands (it seems) of the position and now he’d going to run outs and deep routes, which will probably makes his fantasy production inconsistent and insignificant.

 

[Guss]

Seems like Mac Jones is a better QB than Trevor Lawrence, that is what it comes down to it looks like

Last year with Jones the passing game was better, Thomas was better.

Know it is a new coach, staff, offense, etc

 

[iamkoza]

i got him relatively cheap on saturday (traded pollard and shakir). Last night was my first foray into Jags football this year and it looks to me that Trevor Lawrence just isnt that good at reading a defense and delivering the ball on time. i think thomas could have had a TD in the first half on the crosser if he had better field awareness to know he needed to sprint to the pylon after catching it.

 

[doeseatplace]

Seems like Mac Jones is a better QB than Trevor Lawrence, that is what it comes down to it looks like

Last year with Jones the passing game was better, Thomas was better.

Know it is a new coach, staff, offense, etc

You may be right Guss. Lawrence has not come close to meeting his 1.01 potential

another way to look at it is Brian Thomas Jr. is a better fantasy wide receiver catching passes from Mac Jones in a Doug Pederson pass-first offense on a team with limited offensive weapons that plays from behind due to a lousy defense than he is with Trevor Lawrence in a run first offense on a team that has invested in the skill positions (Hunter, Brown, Tuten) with a strong defense that keeps the O in a positive-neutral game script most of the time

These two variables--an effective offensive line that has produced good rushing results (except for last night), and a strong defense- are both surprises to me as a Jags fan

I expected a lot of shootouts due to a lousy defense and a mediocre run game, which would have benefited BTJ's fantasy stats.

The fact that Trevor only attempted 25 passes in a 59 point game against the Chiefs would have been nothing I'd have guesses preseason

Trevor has to get better, that's a fact, and I think Thomas will get his as the season goes on. But this might be a case where good IRL football detrimentally affects our fantasy teams

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Got offered him straight up for Ladd. I generally shy away for 1:1 trades of the same position, because they're zero-sum, but among the two disappointing 2nd-round WRs, I feel like he maybe has more upside, if only because he has less competition for targets?

 

[zamboni]

i got him relatively cheap on saturday (traded pollard and shakir). Last night was my first foray into Jags football this year and it looks to me that Trevor Lawrence just isnt that good at reading a defense and delivering the ball on time. i think thomas could have had a TD in the first half on the crosser if he had better field awareness to know he needed to sprint to the pylon after catching it.

I guess a 4-1 record is all that matters, but still masks a lot of problems.

Somehow among that "historic" 2021 QB draft class of Lawrence/Wilson/Lance/Fields/Jones. Mac may actually be the most capable one in the bunch.

 

[MTskibum]

Got offered him straight up for Ladd. I generally shy away for 1:1 trades of the same position, because they're zero-sum, but among the two disappointing 2nd-round WRs, I feel like he maybe has more upside, if only because he has less competition for targets?

I have BTJ in 2 redraft leagues and Ladd in 2 dynasy leagues.

I would trade BTJ for ladd easily in my 2 redraft leagues.

The chargers line is a mess(maybe even bottom 5 after all the injuries) and that is worrisome for the offense as a whole. Where as Jaguars have a top 5 offensive line. But I would still rather have Ladd rest of season.

I think Lawrence is a below average QB.

 

[Chaka]

Got offered him straight up for Ladd. I generally shy away for 1:1 trades of the same position, because they're zero-sum, but among the two disappointing 2nd-round WRs, I feel like he maybe has more upside, if only because he has less competition for targets?

I did this exact trade 3 weeks ago. Can't say I'm loving the results so far but I agree with your logic.

 

[zamboni]

I would trade BTJ for ladd easily.

In dynasty, no way would I do that. Wasn't an accident that BTJ did what he did as a rookie. Ladd is obviously a very good receiver in his own right, but I think he benefited even more than BTJ did from being the only game in town last year. Long term, I would follow the talent that is BTJ.

 

[Proteus]

I dunno, I own this guy nowhere and have seen very little of him relative to most players, but been watching lately to see if he's a buy low target. It just seems like he never gets open. Every target the DB is draped all over him. Even that last long play at the end he just kind of got lucky that the DB mis-timed his jump. He was completely covered and made no play on the ball at all, the DB just whiffed.

Exactly this.

I'm done blaming Lawrence.

There is something very very wrong with BTsd or last year was a late-season fluke where he faced a lot of checked out DBs not working very hard, making business decisions, etc.

 

[MTskibum]

I would trade BTJ for ladd easily.

In dynasty, no way would I do that. Wasn't an accident that BTJ did what he did as a rookie. Ladd is obviously a very good receiver in his own right, but I think he benefited even more than BTJ did from being the only game in town last year. Long term, I would follow the talent that is BTJ.

Sorry, I edited my response. You are correct I meant for this year.

Long term I do like BTJ more still, however in both dynasty leagues I have Ladd I am a contender that finished top 3 last season and am currently on path to be top 3 this year in points. I will just hold Ladd in those leagues.

 

[Jmiller21kg]

I dunno, I own this guy nowhere and have seen very little of him relative to most players, but been watching lately to see if he's a buy low target. It just seems like he never gets open. Every target the DB is draped all over him. Even that last long play at the end he just kind of got lucky that the DB mis-timed his jump. He was completely covered and made no play on the ball at all, the DB just whiffed.

He seems to be afraid of contact. Reminds me of Calvin Ridley as this was the knock on Ridley. Not sure if he was like this last season or maybe that huge hit in the preseason is making him skittish.

It was at least good to see him take a solid hit on that deep ball pass in the 4th and also try to fight for that potential TD catch that drew pass interference in the final min. Could be good signs going forward, we will see.

 

[menobrown]

I was not paying attention to this during the game but after the game scrolled through twitter and saw that Charles Robinson of Yahoo had tweeted out that he looks like he's stuck in mud getting off the LOS. Injury? Overthinking? I think it's that myself, overthinking. New system, expectation, etc,etc.

Some things that don't look like they will change soon. Trevor is not very good and I'm disappointed with the way BTJ is used in the offense. Thought he'd get used more creatively, this is not, as Cohen said, and offense that looks like it runs through BTJ.

And what does this team see in Dyami Brown?

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Got offered him straight up for Ladd. I generally shy away for 1:1 trades of the same position, because they're zero-sum, but among the two disappointing 2nd-round WRs, I feel like he maybe has more upside, if only because he has less competition for targets?

I have BTJ in 2 redraft leagues and Ladd in 2 dynasy leagues.

I would trade BTJ for ladd easily in my 2 redraft leagues.

The chargers line is a mess(maybe even bottom 5 after all the injuries) and that is worrisome for the offense as a whole. Where as Jaguars have a top 5 offensive line. But I would still rather have Ladd rest of season.

I think Lawrence is a below average QB.

Ladd McConkey ownership is a rollercoaster. I am hopeful the Hampton injury and deterioration of the offensive line in LA will see Ladd getting peppered with targets but I have about a week left of holding.

BTJ is a better WR than Ladd but his situation seems to suck.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Got offered him straight up for Ladd. I generally shy away for 1:1 trades of the same position, because they're zero-sum, but among the two disappointing 2nd-round WRs, I feel like he maybe has more upside, if only because he has less competition for targets?

I have BTJ in 2 redraft leagues and Ladd in 2 dynasy leagues.

I would trade BTJ for ladd easily in my 2 redraft leagues.

The chargers line is a mess(maybe even bottom 5 after all the injuries) and that is worrisome for the offense as a whole. Where as Jaguars have a top 5 offensive line. But I would still rather have Ladd rest of season.

I think Lawrence is a below average QB.

Ladd McConkey ownership is a rollercoaster. I am hopeful the Hampton injury and deterioration of the offensive line in LA will see Ladd getting peppered with targets but I have about a week left of holding.

BTJ is a better WR than Ladd but his situation seems to suck.

This is where I'm at for now. I could easily see one or both of them turning it around ROS but I can also see the factors that have held them back so far continuing to be present. Ultimately, I don't think there's any definitive answer

 

[Chaka]

BTJ leads the team in targets with 38, I wish that number was higher than 7.6 targets/game but, the next closest players on the team have 24 targets total (Strange & Hunter). BTJ is in on 87% of the offensive snaps, the next closest WR, (Hunter) is on the field for 59% of the offensive snaps.

I agree that he looks like something is off but, he still is the clear #1 in this offense and looks like a good candidate for progression as the season goes on.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Call me crazy but I think its coming.

That final drive catch was big last night and shows you what can happen when you give him a chance to succeed

 

[JohnnyU]

Call me crazy but I think its coming.

That final drive catch was big last night and shows you what can happen when you give him a chance to succeed

He doesn’t seem to be getting open like last year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Last night was somewhat promising. He made some clutch catches late. The breakout is coming.

NFL is tough - the league adjusts to players. 1st to 2nd year is often the toughest I recall reading. But BTJ looked like he’s working hard, he didn’t alligator arm anything - no big drops. And made clutch deep plays to keep the Jags in it that led directly to a W.

I think there are better days ahead. I’ve tried buying low and owners aren’t budging. I don’t mind my 1 dynasty share - that team is stacked but somehow 1-4, so I actually don’t mind BTJ’s down year as it might help me to a top 3 pick.

Anyway, I think there’s still a ton of upside here. TLaw seems to be a big part of the problem.

 

[BespokeJort]

Last night was somewhat promising. He made some clutch catches late. The breakout is coming.

NFL is tough - the league adjusts to players. 1st to 2nd year is often the toughest I recall reading. But BTJ looked like he’s working hard, he didn’t alligator arm anything - no big drops. And made clutch deep plays to keep the Jags in it that led directly to a W.

I think there are better days ahead. I’ve tried buying low and owners aren’t budging. I don’t mind my 1 dynasty share - that team is stacked but somehow 1-4, so I actually don’t mind BTJ’s down year as it might help me to a top 3 pick.

Anyway, I think there’s still a ton of upside here. TLaw seems to be a big part of the problem.

Agreed. You don’t get fantasy points for drawing the PI call that allowed them to win the game but I think it matters predictively/as far as putting “throw the ball his way and good things happen” in the coach and qb’s head

 

[menobrown]

Call me crazy but I think its coming.

That final drive catch was big last night and shows you what can happen when you give him a chance to succeed

Won't call you crazy, would be surprised if he does not.

And agree someone struggling right now with confidence that big catch might help propel him.

Still think Mac is better for him then Trevor and that's sad but he'll be better.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Another consideration is that it’s a new offensive coordinator with a new playbook. Folks are saying BTJ is not getting open, but some of that might be due to play design.

 

[TedyBruschi]

Call me crazy but I think its coming.

That final drive catch was big last night and shows you what can happen when you give him a chance to succeed

Won't call you crazy, would be surprised if he does not.

And agree someone struggling right now with confidence that big catch might help propel him.

Still think Mac is better for him then Trevor and that's sad but he'll be better.

Mac turned K. Bourne into a stud in just one game as the primary receiver. Pearsall similar results in week 3. My BTJ shares miss him.

 

[Footballdaz]

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Seems like Mac Jones is a better QB than Trevor Lawrence, that is what it comes down to it looks like

Last year with Jones the passing game was better, Thomas was better.

Know it is a new coach, staff, offense, etc

You may be right Guss. Lawrence has not come close to meeting his 1.01 potential

another way to look at it is Brian Thomas Jr. is a better fantasy wide receiver catching passes from Mac Jones in a Doug Pederson pass-first offense on a team with limited offensive weapons that plays from behind due to a lousy defense than he is with Trevor Lawrence in a run first offense on a team that has invested in the skill positions (Hunter, Brown, Tuten) with a strong defense that keeps the O in a positive-neutral game script most of the time

These two variables--an effective offensive line that has produced good rushing results (except for last night), and a strong defense- are both surprises to me as a Jags fan

I expected a lot of shootouts due to a lousy defense and a mediocre run game, which would have benefited BTJ's fantasy stats.

The fact that Trevor only attempted 25 passes in a 59 point game against the Chiefs would have been nothing I'd have guesses preseason

Trevor has to get better, that's a fact, and I think Thomas will get his as the season goes on. But this might be a case where good IRL football detrimentally affects our fantasy teams

As long as Jags are winning,they aren't changing a thing!!!
Thomas might have 2-3 blow up games this year. Not what he was drafted for.
Think Jags would be better with Jones, but t they invested all that into TL. They should of kept Mac.

 

[Chaka]

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Seems like Mac Jones is a better QB than Trevor Lawrence, that is what it comes down to it looks like

Last year with Jones the passing game was better, Thomas was better.

Know it is a new coach, staff, offense, etc

You may be right Guss. Lawrence has not come close to meeting his 1.01 potential

another way to look at it is Brian Thomas Jr. is a better fantasy wide receiver catching passes from Mac Jones in a Doug Pederson pass-first offense on a team with limited offensive weapons that plays from behind due to a lousy defense than he is with Trevor Lawrence in a run first offense on a team that has invested in the skill positions (Hunter, Brown, Tuten) with a strong defense that keeps the O in a positive-neutral game script most of the time

These two variables--an effective offensive line that has produced good rushing results (except for last night), and a strong defense- are both surprises to me as a Jags fan

I expected a lot of shootouts due to a lousy defense and a mediocre run game, which would have benefited BTJ's fantasy stats.

The fact that Trevor only attempted 25 passes in a 59 point game against the Chiefs would have been nothing I'd have guesses preseason

Trevor has to get better, that's a fact, and I think Thomas will get his as the season goes on. But this might be a case where good IRL football detrimentally affects our fantasy teams

As long as Jags are winning,they aren't changing a thing!!!
Thomas might have 2-3 blow up games this year. Not what he was drafted for.
Think Jags would be better with Jones, but t they invested all that into TL. They should of kept Mac.

They don't need to change a thing for BTJ to take a big jump going forward. He still dominates the snap counts and targets for WRs. The problem is his efficiency has been abysmal (42% catch rate).

If he can hit his 65% catch rate which, is reasonable, he will start averaging 5-76 per game. That makes keeping him in your lineup to capture his big games a lot more palatable.

 

[Chaka]

Brenton Strange on IR, he was second on the team with 24 targets (tied with Hunter). It will be interesting to see if Hunter gets more time on offense this week. Either way, there should be a few more targets to go around.

 

[The Frankman]

Brian Thomas Jr. caught 8-of-10 targets for 90 yards and a touchdown in the Jaguars’ Week 6 loss to the Seahawks.

The catches and yards were new season highs, while the touchdown was Thomas’ first since Week 1, and first through the air all season. Good stuff, though his 21-yard score came on a trick play fake bubble screen. Again, good stuff, though maybe not the best sign it took emptying out the playbook to get Thomas into the end zone. In the second half, BTJ appeared to add (another) fluke touchdown when he turned a bouncing ball into a 54-yard house call, but the play was called back by Travis Hunter lining up offsides. Yikes. One of BTJ’s missed connections was also a third down drop. On the whole, BTJ fantasy managers should be quite happy, but this was still not an unqualified breakout. That seems unlikely to come in Week 7 when the Jags become approximately the millionth team this season to visit England, this time taking on the Rams.
- Rotoworld

 

[Smack Tripper]

The TD that wasn't is a very fun play to look up... and it cost me my game not having it

The needle is moving the right way

 

[Crash Davis]

Nothing post game at all about the shoulder? That seems odd, no?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Nothing post game at all about the shoulder? That seems odd, no?

I assume the London aspect may have been a factor, probably everyone in getaway mode and there's a bye coming up

 

[JohnnyU]

Where did he go? Where did he go? Where did he go? He got drunk at a London pub and didn’t get in until the break of dawn…..jk

 

[rockaction]

Never banking on a dynasty guy with a terrible quarterback again. No more vibing with it all. I’ve given Thomas plenty of his share of the blame for this and he deserves it. But watch Jax carefully. Washington, Brown, Hunter, and Thomas are all alligator arming it over the middle on their routes and that’s on the guy who is leading them into consistent annihilation.

I wish Thomas was oblivious to everything, but he clearly isn’t and the budding superstar/overall top 15 (at least) dynasty receiver at the beginning of the year has free fallen. What a disgusting joke. Should have shipped him out and cashed out as soon as these mulletheads drafted Hunter and then sang about how smart they were in their presser. Uh, no, man. You overpaid like crazy and you still don’t have a plan for him. Fantasy hobbyists should get rid of anyone in one the biggest organizational jokes this side of the Meadowlands. Only the ‘70s Jets could top the thought process that it took to hire Urban Meyer. I mean, the only thing comparable is Lou Holtz getting all upset because the grown men who are professional athletes don’t want to sing an expletivin' fight song in the locker room.

Yes, that really happened when Holtz coached the Jets.

Loathsome. Not feeling really charitable today. Lawrence almost killed Washington on the first throw of the game and the day regressed from thereon and throughout.

 

[Guss]

Jaguars are still a joke! TL is not good, the new head coach/OC is not good at all so far
This offense looks like crap! TL is worse than past years, did not think it was possible but it is

Coen has not done a thing to make him better, he's worse!

Find it funny that they had their starting QB in Mac Jones and let him go and kept this over paid bum
that is taking their franchise down all by himself

The owner and front office is good with it

 

[iamkoza]

i cant find any of the twitter fantasy docs opinion on his injury. healthy or not maybe coen (finally) realizes the number 2 pick in the draft that you gave up multiple picks for is his true #1 WR