WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (1 Viewer)

[efactor]

The reality is he's in his late 20's, carries baggage, and has been away from the game for 2 years. That's a lot to overcome when your competition is younger and didn't check out for an extended period of time. It's impossible to not lose a step.

I'll let others bet on him in fantasy. I'm rooting for him IRL and hope he makes a great comeback.

He's interesting. I'm fairly confident 2020 will end up being the best season of his career, but he can afford to lose a step and still be very useful. I've got Ridley somewhere in the 20s at WR.

I have him in the 15-17 range. Situation is great with Lawrence as his QB and Kirk the only real competition at WR for targets. Zay Jones is a distant WR 3 on the Jags IMO.

Ridley is only 28, so not worried about him losing a step for a couple seasons yet. Also, not worried about the rust factor. He has an entire training camp and a couple preseason games to work it off. Great route runner who should thrive in that offense. I would not be shocked at a top 10 season

 

[JohnnyU]

The reality is he's in his late 20's, carries baggage, and has been away from the game for 2 years. That's a lot to overcome when your competition is younger and didn't check out for an extended period of time. It's impossible to not lose a step.

I'll let others bet on him in fantasy. I'm rooting for him IRL and hope he makes a great comeback.

He's interesting. I'm fairly confident 2020 will end up being the best season of his career, but he can afford to lose a step and still be very useful. I've got Ridley somewhere in the 20s at WR.

I have him in the 15-17 range. Situation is great with Lawrence as his QB and Kirk the only real competition at WR for targets. Zay Jones is a distant WR 3 on the Jags IMO.

Ridley is only 28, so not worried about him losing a step for a couple seasons yet. Also, not worried about the rust factor. He has an entire training camp and a couple preseason games to work it off. Great route runner who should thrive in that offense. I would not be shocked at a top 10 season

I recall him not playing well before the mental breakdown. Perhaps that was the reason for it. Is his heart going to be into football?

 

[Birdie048]

The reality is he's in his late 20's, carries baggage, and has been away from the game for 2 years. That's a lot to overcome when your competition is younger and didn't check out for an extended period of time. It's impossible to not lose a step.

I'll let others bet on him in fantasy. I'm rooting for him IRL and hope he makes a great comeback.

He's interesting. I'm fairly confident 2020 will end up being the best season of his career, but he can afford to lose a step and still be very useful. I've got Ridley somewhere in the 20s at WR.

Top 24 = WR2 value for those who bought cheap and held him thru the turmoil.
I think in JAX he has more potential than anywhere else save KC.

 

[efactor]

The reality is he's in his late 20's, carries baggage, and has been away from the game for 2 years. That's a lot to overcome when your competition is younger and didn't check out for an extended period of time. It's impossible to not lose a step.

I'll let others bet on him in fantasy. I'm rooting for him IRL and hope he makes a great comeback.

He's interesting. I'm fairly confident 2020 will end up being the best season of his career, but he can afford to lose a step and still be very useful. I've got Ridley somewhere in the 20s at WR.

I have him in the 15-17 range. Situation is great with Lawrence as his QB and Kirk the only real competition at WR for targets. Zay Jones is a distant WR 3 on the Jags IMO.

Ridley is only 28, so not worried about him losing a step for a couple seasons yet. Also, not worried about the rust factor. He has an entire training camp and a couple preseason games to work it off. Great route runner who should thrive in that offense. I would not be shocked at a top 10 season

I recall him not playing well before the mental breakdown. Perhaps that was the reason for it. Is his heart going to be into football?

It was a small sample size of games and think he was already having issues. Still had 31catches in 5 games with a couple scores.

As far as his heart being in it, nobody knows for sure. But I thought the letter he wrote addressing his issues was pretty sincere and he says he is ready to play. I would also think the financial incentive to do well will be a factor.

I picked him up in my dynasty and both my keepers when he was dropped. I'm buying in obviously

 

[Birdie048]

The reality is he's in his late 20's, carries baggage, and has been away from the game for 2 years. That's a lot to overcome when your competition is younger and didn't check out for an extended period of time. It's impossible to not lose a step.

I'll let others bet on him in fantasy. I'm rooting for him IRL and hope he makes a great comeback.

He's interesting. I'm fairly confident 2020 will end up being the best season of his career, but he can afford to lose a step and still be very useful. I've got Ridley somewhere in the 20s at WR.

I have him in the 15-17 range. Situation is great with Lawrence as his QB and Kirk the only real competition at WR for targets. Zay Jones is a distant WR 3 on the Jags IMO.

Ridley is only 28, so not worried about him losing a step for a couple seasons yet. Also, not worried about the rust factor. He has an entire training camp and a couple preseason games to work it off. Great route runner who should thrive in that offense. I would not be shocked at a top 10 season

I recall him not playing well before the mental breakdown. Perhaps that was the reason for it. Is his heart going to be into football?

Was this before or after the injured (ankle?) that had him miss London game?

 

[JohnnyU]

The reality is he's in his late 20's, carries baggage, and has been away from the game for 2 years. That's a lot to overcome when your competition is younger and didn't check out for an extended period of time. It's impossible to not lose a step.

I'll let others bet on him in fantasy. I'm rooting for him IRL and hope he makes a great comeback.

He's interesting. I'm fairly confident 2020 will end up being the best season of his career, but he can afford to lose a step and still be very useful. I've got Ridley somewhere in the 20s at WR.

I have him in the 15-17 range. Situation is great with Lawrence as his QB and Kirk the only real competition at WR for targets. Zay Jones is a distant WR 3 on the Jags IMO.

Ridley is only 28, so not worried about him losing a step for a couple seasons yet. Also, not worried about the rust factor. He has an entire training camp and a couple preseason games to work it off. Great route runner who should thrive in that offense. I would not be shocked at a top 10 season

I recall him not playing well before the mental breakdown. Perhaps that was the reason for it. Is his heart going to be into football?

Was this before or after the injured (ankle?) that had him miss London game?

As far as I know this is his last 5 games stats.
4/26/1
7/80/0
8/61/0
7/63/1
5/51/0

 

[Birdie048]

Week 4 2021 - played vs Wash (7 rec /80 yards/ 0 TD)
Missed Week 5 vs NYJ
BYE Week 6
week 7 vs Miami (4 rec / 26 yards /1TD)

Nothing since…

That the same you see?

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Week 4 2021 - played vs Wash (7 rec /80 yards/ 0 TD)
Missed Week 5 vs NYJ
BYE Week 6
week 7 vs Miami (4 rec / 26 yards /1TD)

Nothing since…

That the same you see?

The Jets game was in London.. aka pitts td game

 

[menobrown]

The reality is he's in his late 20's, carries baggage, and has been away from the game for 2 years. That's a lot to overcome when your competition is younger and didn't check out for an extended period of time. It's impossible to not lose a step.

I'll let others bet on him in fantasy. I'm rooting for him IRL and hope he makes a great comeback.

He's interesting. I'm fairly confident 2020 will end up being the best season of his career, but he can afford to lose a step and still be very useful. I've got Ridley somewhere in the 20s at WR.

I have him in the 15-17 range. Situation is great with Lawrence as his QB and Kirk the only real competition at WR for targets. Zay Jones is a distant WR 3 on the Jags IMO.

Ridley is only 28, so not worried about him losing a step for a couple seasons yet. Also, not worried about the rust factor. He has an entire training camp and a couple preseason games to work it off. Great route runner who should thrive in that offense. I would not be shocked at a top 10 season

I recall him not playing well before the mental breakdown. Perhaps that was the reason for it. Is his heart going to be into football?

Was this before or after the injured (ankle?) that had him miss London game?

All of it was before the season.

Let's recap all of this.

Per him he played with bone spurs in his ankle his first two years and took painkillers to help play. In his breakout 2020 season he said his foot hurt so bad that in week 8 he told Julio it was broke. Again, that was his 2020 season he went for 1300 yards. He got an MRI, the trainers said it was a bone bruise and he took daily shots of Toradol to play.

Fast forward to off-season before his last season in 2021. Atlanta hires a new coaching and training staff. He finally meets with the new trainers and they send him to see a specialist in Green Bay, probably Robert Anderson. He is diagnosed with a broken foot about 2 months before the start of the season, has surgery, and per him rushes back to play and had to keep taking painkillers in order to cut and the whole process mentally and physically drained him.

That all might have to do with him not looking like his normal self in 2021.


As for his mental state, and again this is all per him, he was on a lot of painkillers, his house got robbed and it all started to overwhelm him.


Also he played in week 7 in 2021 so to the people who say he was out for 2 years please quit spreading falsehoods.

 

[dipandglide]

Thanks for the timeline refresher.

"He played in week 7 in 2021". I take back what I said about him being out for two years. He was out 1.467 years.

 

[Da Franchise]

Personally I think there’s a huge difference between missing a whole season vs just the second half. I’d be much more concerned if he didn’t get in the half year in 21. Just going through the process of getting into game shape and actually lacing them up for 7 games is huge. I don’t even ding him for that season at all.

Being out for all of 22 is concerning but when I look at the specifics that @menobrown just ran down, it all adds up to an attractive risk/reward to me. He’s in a great spot for production if he’s 85-90% of the player he was before and given what he was playing through I don’t see why he can’t get all the way back by the mid season.

 

[Faust]

Jaguars OC Press Taylor 'really impressed' with WR Calvin Ridley so far: He's 'making his own role'

 

[Faust]

NFL Beat Writers @32BeatWriters
“Ridley simply moves differently than any other wide receiver on the field. The pacing and tempo in his routes, the quickness of his feet, and his ability change up his approach to routes even when he isn't getting the ball all stand out.”

https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1660989935803834368?s=21

 

[menobrown]

Personally I think there’s a huge difference between missing a whole season vs just the second half. I’d be much more concerned if he didn’t get in the half year in 21. Just going through the process of getting into game shape and actually lacing them up for 7 games is huge. I don’t even ding him for that season at all.

Thank you and that's why I keep trying to address the discrepancy when people say he's not played in 2 years for all the reasons you said. I'm not trying to split hairs, I think it makes a big difference.

 

[Faust]

Will Calvin Ridley's fantasy value jump in Jacksonville? | Yahoo Fantasy Football Forecast

 

[titusbramble]

Can't help but think he's going to be way too rusty to be anywhere near value upon what you'd need to pay for him in redraft, and think he's a sell in dynasty as well, even if he does play well in 23 I don't see how his value will ever increase substantially from where it is at the moment

 

[oldmanhawkins]

I traded Ridley a month or so ago for the 1.11. I'm not as excited about that return post-draft, but I would still do it again if given the opportunity. I just don't understand how he is valued the same as Kirk when Kirk had 80/1100/8 just last season, is two years younger, has no off field concerns and will be tied to TLaw for the foreseeable future (Ridley is UFA adding one more bit of uncertainty to his value).

 

[menobrown]

I traded Ridley a month or so ago for the 1.11. I'm not as excited about that return post-draft, but I would still do it again if given the opportunity. I just don't understand how he is valued the same as Kirk when Kirk had 80/1100/8 just last season, is two years younger, has no off field concerns and will be tied to TLaw for the foreseeable future (Ridley is UFA adding one more bit of uncertainty to his value).

It's not complicated to me, he's just a superior player in my opinion.

And I'd not be so sure Kirk is going to be a Jaguar in 2024. His cap number in 24 is a little over $24m. He already has some bonus money applied to two void years, they will have to decide if if they want to add more money to those void years or just save $16m on the cap and release him. Decent chance they will have to decide on trying to re-sign Ridley or cutting Kirk loose after next season so that whole situation is TBD to me.

 

[Blick]

I traded Ridley a month or so ago for the 1.11. I'm not as excited about that return post-draft, but I would still do it again if given the opportunity. I just don't understand how he is valued the same as Kirk when Kirk had 80/1100/8 just last season, is two years younger, has no off field concerns and will be tied to TLaw for the foreseeable future (Ridley is UFA adding one more bit of uncertainty to his value).

On a competitive team, I'm way more likely to gamble on Ridley's short term upside than that of any player at 1.11. On a rebuild, I'd probably take the pick.

 

[travdogg]

I traded Ridley a month or so ago for the 1.11. I'm not as excited about that return post-draft, but I would still do it again if given the opportunity. I just don't understand how he is valued the same as Kirk when Kirk had 80/1100/8 just last season, is two years younger, has no off field concerns and will be tied to TLaw for the foreseeable future (Ridley is UFA adding one more bit of uncertainty to his value).

It's not complicated to me, he's just a superior player in my opinion.

While I am very much on team 2020 is likely an outlier season, I agree Ridley is just a superior talent to Kirk.

I do think 80-1100-8 is probably a ceiling for anybody in this offense given the amount of weapons they have. If anybody gets there, I'd bet on Ridley. But its very possible (likely even) that Ridley and Kirk are both in that WR20-25 range.

 

[menobrown]

I traded Ridley a month or so ago for the 1.11. I'm not as excited about that return post-draft, but I would still do it again if given the opportunity. I just don't understand how he is valued the same as Kirk when Kirk had 80/1100/8 just last season, is two years younger, has no off field concerns and will be tied to TLaw for the foreseeable future (Ridley is UFA adding one more bit of uncertainty to his value).

It's not complicated to me, he's just a superior player in my opinion.

While I am very much on team 2020 is likely an outlier season, I agree Ridley is just a superior talent to Kirk.

I do think 80-1100-8 is probably a ceiling for anybody in this offense given the amount of weapons they have. If anybody gets there, I'd bet on Ridley. But its very possible (likely even) that Ridley and Kirk are both in that WR20-25 range.

Certainly don't see eye to eye that 2020 was an outlier, that we've seen the best of Ridley, that the cap you listed applies to him and I have him ranked inside the top 15.

 

[Faust]

Jaguars' Doug Pederson being cautious with Calvin Ridley in OTAs: 'Just want to be careful with him'

 

[MTskibum]

I thought i was high on Ridley, but I guess I am low on him.

He has been going late 4th round in 12 team best balls on fanduel. I am out at that price.

/edit pick 47.1 on average on May 30

 

[kutta]

I traded Ridley a month or so ago for the 1.11. I'm not as excited about that return post-draft, but I would still do it again if given the opportunity. I just don't understand how he is valued the same as Kirk when Kirk had 80/1100/8 just last season, is two years younger, has no off field concerns and will be tied to TLaw for the foreseeable future (Ridley is UFA adding one more bit of uncertainty to his value).

I just don’t think Kirk is all that. And seeing the numbers he put up last year gives me hope that Ridley could blow those numbers out of the water. Ridley is so much more talented than Kirk - I almost see no way that Ridley doesn’t at a bare minimum match Kirk’s numbers from last year.

 

[Faust]

What Calvin Ridley brings to a blossoming Jacksonville Jaguars offense

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Ridley and Christian Kirk do not line up the same position FYI...I don't understand the logic in wanting to put down what Kirk brings to the offense.
There obviously is not a strong WR to this point lining up on the outside but again, Kirk plays the slot and is one of the Top5 Slot-WRs in the NFL
If Ridley is going to line up in the slot, all that would do is relegate Kirk to a non weapon and why would the Jags do that?
More likely is Ridley is lining up outside and perhaps could be an improvement over the other WRs that Jax has been lining up on the outside.
What that means in terms of production...it's troubling to read posts where folks feel like slotting in the Kirk stats into the Ridley box, think that might be a huge mistake.

 

[travdogg]

Ridley and Christian Kirk do not line up the same position FYI...I don't understand the logic in wanting to put down what Kirk brings to the offense.
There obviously is not a strong WR to this point lining up on the outside but again, Kirk pays the slot and is one of the Top5 Slot-WRs in the NFL
If Ridley is going to line up in the slot, all that would do is relegate Kirk to a non weapon and why would the Jags do that?
More likely is Ridley is lining up outside and perhaps could be an improvement over the other WRs that Jax has been lining up on the outside.
What that means in terms of production...it's troubling to read posts where folks feel like slotting in the Kirk stats into the Ridley box, think that might be a huge mistake.

Yep. Ridley will see almost no snaps inside. Only Tyler Boyd saw more slot snaps than Kirk last season in the NFL. Additionally, Ridley was never an inside player in Atlanta.

While I doubt they will be as productive as the peak of this duo, the usage could be similar to Godwin/Evans. I like them both as WR 20-25 guys, though I certainly think Ridley has a higher ceiling, just because we've seen it before.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Ridley and Christian Kirk do not line up the same position FYI...I don't understand the logic in wanting to put down what Kirk brings to the offense.
There obviously is not a strong WR to this point lining up on the outside but again, Kirk pays the slot and is one of the Top5 Slot-WRs in the NFL
If Ridley is going to line up in the slot, all that would do is relegate Kirk to a non weapon and why would the Jags do that?
More likely is Ridley is lining up outside and perhaps could be an improvement over the other WRs that Jax has been lining up on the outside.
What that means in terms of production...it's troubling to read posts where folks feel like slotting in the Kirk stats into the Ridley box, think that might be a huge mistake.

Yep. Ridley will see almost no snaps inside. Only Tyler Boyd saw more slot snaps than Kirk last season in the NFL. Additionally, Ridley was never an inside player in Atlanta.

While I doubt they will be as productive as the peak of this duo, the usage could be similar to Godwin/Evans. I like them both as WR 20-25 guys, though I certainly think Ridley has a higher ceiling, just because we've seen it before.

I understand this is Ridley's thread and i appreciate you posting with me on this.
I will go as far as to say Kirk will still be a weekly threat for 6/75+ meaning I have him easily clearing 80-90 catches and well over 1,000+ yds.
If anything, a bonafide threat on the outside will allow Kirk to line up against weaker DBs
Also, there is a pretty solid TE that was developing real chemistry with Trevor Lawrence.

How many receivers can accumulate 1,000 yds receiving in this offense? Also, I think Etienne is only going to become more dangerous in the passing game so there's that.
Ridley will easily find his way on to rosters by the time 25-30 WRs are off the board but that also makes him one of those WRs who comes off the board before a single WR is selected from other NFL teams. Surely, Christian Kirk is going to be scooped up BEFORE Ridley, yes/no?

MOP Inner thoughts: I don't always share what I'm thinking because I figure it will end up like that Larry Fitzgerald thread I posted one season, most folks don't really want to know what I'm thinking because it makes them question their entire process in redraft leagues. I don't compete in a single dynasty league so all you get from me is 2023 insight, I could care less what happens in 2024 right now. But I'll say something off the walls...I would almost rather have Elijah Moore who is now paired with DeSahun Watson in Cleveland. I think Moore could possibly have a better season than Ridley and would cost a lot less I'm guessing as most will overlook his trade to the Cleveland Browns

That's how I feel in June, that could change by early August but I look at positions or slots a little differently and this time of year all I am going to do is fire up dynasty players that don't want to be told how their team looks in 2023, these folks would much rather hear about how they might look in 2025 so it's difficult when I want to discuss redraft.
There are lots of signs that IMHO point to a selfish player in Calvin Ridley, others can feel much differently. I don't trust him so therefore I won't draft him.
Others can grab him, there seem to be folks who feel they have a potential Top 5-10 WR if things break right for him, I simply don't see that kind of ceiling that others are hinting at.
Different team, offense, QB, surrounding cast, now in the AFC, I'll take a wait and see approach with Ridley for now.

 

[travdogg]

Ridley and Christian Kirk do not line up the same position FYI...I don't understand the logic in wanting to put down what Kirk brings to the offense.
There obviously is not a strong WR to this point lining up on the outside but again, Kirk pays the slot and is one of the Top5 Slot-WRs in the NFL
If Ridley is going to line up in the slot, all that would do is relegate Kirk to a non weapon and why would the Jags do that?
More likely is Ridley is lining up outside and perhaps could be an improvement over the other WRs that Jax has been lining up on the outside.
What that means in terms of production...it's troubling to read posts where folks feel like slotting in the Kirk stats into the Ridley box, think that might be a huge mistake.

Yep. Ridley will see almost no snaps inside. Only Tyler Boyd saw more slot snaps than Kirk last season in the NFL. Additionally, Ridley was never an inside player in Atlanta.

While I doubt they will be as productive as the peak of this duo, the usage could be similar to Godwin/Evans. I like them both as WR 20-25 guys, though I certainly think Ridley has a higher ceiling, just because we've seen it before.

I understand this is Ridley's thread and i appreciate you posting with me on this.
I will go as far as to say Kirk will still be a weekly threat for 6/75+ meaning I have him easily clearing 80-90 catches and well over 1,000+ yds.
If anything, a bonafide threat on the outside will allow Kirk to line up against weaker DBs
Also, there is a pretty solid TE that was developing real chemistry with Trevor Lawrence.

How many receivers can accumulate 1,000 yds receiving in this offense? Also, I think Etienne is only going to become more dangerous in the passing game so there's that.
Ridley will easily find his way on to rosters by the time 25-30 WRs are off the board but that also makes him one of those WRs who comes off the board before a single WR is selected from other NFL teams.

MOP Inner thoughts: I don't always share what I'm thinking because I figure it will end up like that Larry Fitzgerald thread I posted one season, most folks don't really want to know what I'm thinking because it makes them question their entire process in redraft leagues. I don't compete in a single dynasty league so all you get from me is 2023 insight, I could care less what happens in 2024 right now. But I'll say something off the walls...I would almost rather have Elijah Moore who is now paired with DeSahun Watson in Cleveland. I think Moore could possibly have a better season than Ridley and would cost a lot less I'm guessing as most will overlook his trade to the Cleveland Browns

That's how I feel in June, that could change by early August but I look at positions or slots a little differently and this time of year all I am going to do is fire up dynasty players that don't want to be told how their team looks in 2023, these folks would much rather hear about how they might look in 2025 so it's difficult when I want to discuss redraft.
There are lots of signs that IMHO point to a selfish player in Calvin Ridley, others can feel much differently. I don't trust him so therefore I won't draft him.
Others can grab him, there seem to be folks who feel they have a potential Top 5-10 WR if things break right for him, I simply don't see that kind of ceiling that others are hinting at.
Different team, offense, QB, surrounding cast, now in the AFC, I'll take a wait and see approach with Ridley for now.

I'd say we are in about 65% agreement. I also think that there are signs that Ridley is perhaps a selfish player, and that he could absolutely bust. He's not a guy I'm targeting by any means. I also agree that a lot of posters are looking through things in a dynasty lens during this part of the offseason, and that can often skew thought processes.

I think the 35% I disagree with, is the idea that Etienne and Engram are things that could prevent Ridley from big numbers. I think those guys aren't all that good in the receiving game. I don't trust Engram one bit, and Etienne is a screen and swing route guy, he's not a good route runner nor does he have good hands. I think both will decline in the passing game (unless Lawrence has a huge jump in year 3) a lot of their production was simply because Kirk (and Zay to a lesser extent) was covered, and they were the next best options, because Marvin Jones was washed. If Ridley fails, I think it'll be due to Ridley, not the players around him.

I do agree that top-5 production is pretty much off the table, unless the Jags become the most pass heavy team in the NFL, even in 2020 Ridley was WR6, and its probably unreasonable to expect him to hit that level again. He was perfect in a Dirk Koetter offense that loved 7 step drops and downfield passing. That's an underrated part of why his 2021 wasn't going the same. Arthur Smith ran a more conservative offense, that while still passing downfield, wasn't as gung-ho about it. Ridley's YPRR dropped a full yard in that offense, which killed his production, despite the fact that he was actually seeing more targets than ever.

I kind of view Ridley somewhat like Amari Cooper. If everything breaks right (like it did for Cooper last year, or Ridley in 2020) he can be a top-12 WR, but I have never seen an elite talent there. There is certainly a chance Kirk's rapport with Lawrence makes Kirk the better bet. Ultimately, I look at it as a 1A/1B, where I ever so slightly prefer Ridley's potential ceiling to Kirk's safer floor, but that's how I build teams in general. Kirk's likely a better value going 2 rounds later.

I will ask since you brought him up; it seems interesting to me to downgrade Ridley for being a selfish player but be in on Elijah Moore. I get they aren't requiring anywhere near the draft capital to take them, so maybe that is why Moore is less risky, but Moore was the guy demanding a trade from a playoff contender because he wasn't getting the ball enough.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Ridley and Christian Kirk do not line up the same position FYI...I don't understand the logic in wanting to put down what Kirk brings to the offense.
There obviously is not a strong WR to this point lining up on the outside but again, Kirk pays the slot and is one of the Top5 Slot-WRs in the NFL
If Ridley is going to line up in the slot, all that would do is relegate Kirk to a non weapon and why would the Jags do that?
More likely is Ridley is lining up outside and perhaps could be an improvement over the other WRs that Jax has been lining up on the outside.
What that means in terms of production...it's troubling to read posts where folks feel like slotting in the Kirk stats into the Ridley box, think that might be a huge mistake.

Yep. Ridley will see almost no snaps inside. Only Tyler Boyd saw more slot snaps than Kirk last season in the NFL. Additionally, Ridley was never an inside player in Atlanta.

While I doubt they will be as productive as the peak of this duo, the usage could be similar to Godwin/Evans. I like them both as WR 20-25 guys, though I certainly think Ridley has a higher ceiling, just because we've seen it before.

I understand this is Ridley's thread and i appreciate you posting with me on this.
I will go as far as to say Kirk will still be a weekly threat for 6/75+ meaning I have him easily clearing 80-90 catches and well over 1,000+ yds.
If anything, a bonafide threat on the outside will allow Kirk to line up against weaker DBs
Also, there is a pretty solid TE that was developing real chemistry with Trevor Lawrence.

How many receivers can accumulate 1,000 yds receiving in this offense? Also, I think Etienne is only going to become more dangerous in the passing game so there's that.
Ridley will easily find his way on to rosters by the time 25-30 WRs are off the board but that also makes him one of those WRs who comes off the board before a single WR is selected from other NFL teams.

MOP Inner thoughts: I don't always share what I'm thinking because I figure it will end up like that Larry Fitzgerald thread I posted one season, most folks don't really want to know what I'm thinking because it makes them question their entire process in redraft leagues. I don't compete in a single dynasty league so all you get from me is 2023 insight, I could care less what happens in 2024 right now. But I'll say something off the walls...I would almost rather have Elijah Moore who is now paired with DeSahun Watson in Cleveland. I think Moore could possibly have a better season than Ridley and would cost a lot less I'm guessing as most will overlook his trade to the Cleveland Browns

That's how I feel in June, that could change by early August but I look at positions or slots a little differently and this time of year all I am going to do is fire up dynasty players that don't want to be told how their team looks in 2023, these folks would much rather hear about how they might look in 2025 so it's difficult when I want to discuss redraft.
There are lots of signs that IMHO point to a selfish player in Calvin Ridley, others can feel much differently. I don't trust him so therefore I won't draft him.
Others can grab him, there seem to be folks who feel they have a potential Top 5-10 WR if things break right for him, I simply don't see that kind of ceiling that others are hinting at.
Different team, offense, QB, surrounding cast, now in the AFC, I'll take a wait and see approach with Ridley for now.

I'd say we are in about 65% agreement. I also think that there are signs that Ridley is perhaps a selfish player, and that he could absolutely bust. He's not a guy I'm targeting by any means. I also agree that a lot of posters are looking through things in a dynasty lens during this part of the offseason, and that can often skew thought processes.

I think the 35% I disagree with, is the idea that Etienne and Engram are things that could prevent Ridley from big numbers. I think those guys aren't all that good in the receiving game. I don't trust Engram one bit, and Etienne is a screen and swing route guy, he's not a good route runner nor does he have good hands. I think both will decline in the passing game (unless Lawrence has a huge jump in year 3) a lot of their production was simply because Kirk (and Zay to a lesser extent) was covered, and they were the next best options, because Marvin Jones was washed. If Ridley fails, I think it'll be due to Ridley, not the players around him.

I do agree that top-5 production is pretty much off the table, unless the Jags become the most pass heavy team in the NFL, even in 2020 Ridley was WR6, and its probably unreasonable to expect him to hit that level again. He was perfect in a Dirk Koetter offense that loved 7 step drops and downfield passing. That's an underrated part of why his 2021 wasn't going the same. Arthur Smith ran a more conservative offense, that while still passing downfield, wasn't as gung-ho about it. Ridley's YPRR dropped a full yard in that offense, which killed his production, despite the fact that he was actually seeing more targets than ever.

I kind of view Ridley somewhat like Amari Cooper. If everything breaks right (like it did for Cooper last year, or Ridley in 2020) he can be a top-12 WR, but I have never seen an elite talent there. There is certainly a chance Kirk's rapport with Lawrence makes Kirk the better bet. Ultimately, I look at it as a 1A/1B, where I ever so slightly prefer Ridley's potential ceiling to Kirk's safer floor, but that's how I build teams in general. Kirk's likely a better value going 2 rounds later.

I will ask since you brought him up; it seems interesting to me to downgrade Ridley for being a selfish player but be in on Elijah Moore. I get they aren't requiring anywhere near the draft capital to take them, so maybe that is why Moore is less risky, but Moore was the guy demanding a trade from a playoff contender because he wasn't getting the ball enough.

I see similar selfish things in both of them
-I was extremely vocal of what I felt were Ridley's actions towards the end of 2020, he was ready after a career year 3 to get an extension working quickly with the Falcons and he discovered they had no plans on extending him in the Spring of 2021, in fact only QBs typically get the contract extension after 36 months, it took Lamar Jackson over 60 months to get his but Ridley was ready to pounce on going from 800 and 800 yds his first 2 seasons and ends up 90/1,374/9TDs...he wanted to convert that 1 year of production into a Top 5, Top 10 payday and when that didn't happen and he learned that they might have to go as far as a 5th year option before perhaps using a Franchise Tag in year 6 and then he loses his will to play...you can shape that story a little differently but I am entitled to interpret everything he's done in the way I am writing it.

-You compare what I just laid out to Elijah Moore who simply felt like Zach Wilson was going to wreck his career and then the Jets drafted another WR they felt was a better prospect. He was not acting in what was best for the Jets but again it's the Jets and their track record for a long time has been called into question.

-Watson scares me a little because he had the extended lay off and looked a little like a deer in headlights at times in Cleveland but I hope things have settled down for him and he can get back to doing what he does best, be a Top5 QB and make all the receivers around him better. Cleveland is going to have to throw the ball to compete and might have to score in the 30s to win some of these games, could be some cheap points in there. I don't feel like Cleveland is loaded at WR yet and the path for Moore to start at WR seems attainable. Moore was a 1st Rd pick in the same draft as Chase-Penguin-Slim Reaper, he easily could have been picked higher in other Draft classes. I think Moore has some real talent that needs to be appreciated with a better QB and better coaching. Hoping he gets both on his new team.

I wasn't saying Moore had a better moral compass, just that I see similarities and they both land on a new team with a pretty decent QB that I feel is an upgrade over what they left.
Maybe both of them will have solid years. It doesn't have to be one or the other, both could bomb as well. But as you mentioned, Elijah will cost very little on Draft Night

 

[zamboni]

Ridley and Christian Kirk do not line up the same position FYI...I don't understand the logic in wanting to put down what Kirk brings to the offense.
There obviously is not a strong WR to this point lining up on the outside but again, Kirk pays the slot and is one of the Top5 Slot-WRs in the NFL
If Ridley is going to line up in the slot, all that would do is relegate Kirk to a non weapon and why would the Jags do that?
More likely is Ridley is lining up outside and perhaps could be an improvement over the other WRs that Jax has been lining up on the outside.
What that means in terms of production...it's troubling to read posts where folks feel like slotting in the Kirk stats into the Ridley box, think that might be a huge mistake.

Yep. Ridley will see almost no snaps inside. Only Tyler Boyd saw more slot snaps than Kirk last season in the NFL. Additionally, Ridley was never an inside player in Atlanta.

While I doubt they will be as productive as the peak of this duo, the usage could be similar to Godwin/Evans. I like them both as WR 20-25 guys, though I certainly think Ridley has a higher ceiling, just because we've seen it before.

I understand this is Ridley's thread and i appreciate you posting with me on this.
I will go as far as to say Kirk will still be a weekly threat for 6/75+ meaning I have him easily clearing 80-90 catches and well over 1,000+ yds.
If anything, a bonafide threat on the outside will allow Kirk to line up against weaker DBs
Also, there is a pretty solid TE that was developing real chemistry with Trevor Lawrence.

How many receivers can accumulate 1,000 yds receiving in this offense? Also, I think Etienne is only going to become more dangerous in the passing game so there's that.
Ridley will easily find his way on to rosters by the time 25-30 WRs are off the board but that also makes him one of those WRs who comes off the board before a single WR is selected from other NFL teams.

MOP Inner thoughts: I don't always share what I'm thinking because I figure it will end up like that Larry Fitzgerald thread I posted one season, most folks don't really want to know what I'm thinking because it makes them question their entire process in redraft leagues. I don't compete in a single dynasty league so all you get from me is 2023 insight, I could care less what happens in 2024 right now. But I'll say something off the walls...I would almost rather have Elijah Moore who is now paired with DeSahun Watson in Cleveland. I think Moore could possibly have a better season than Ridley and would cost a lot less I'm guessing as most will overlook his trade to the Cleveland Browns

That's how I feel in June, that could change by early August but I look at positions or slots a little differently and this time of year all I am going to do is fire up dynasty players that don't want to be told how their team looks in 2023, these folks would much rather hear about how they might look in 2025 so it's difficult when I want to discuss redraft.
There are lots of signs that IMHO point to a selfish player in Calvin Ridley, others can feel much differently. I don't trust him so therefore I won't draft him.
Others can grab him, there seem to be folks who feel they have a potential Top 5-10 WR if things break right for him, I simply don't see that kind of ceiling that others are hinting at.
Different team, offense, QB, surrounding cast, now in the AFC, I'll take a wait and see approach with Ridley for now.

I'd say we are in about 65% agreement. I also think that there are signs that Ridley is perhaps a selfish player,

Not sure where you guys are getting that. Besides, certainly didn't seem to come across that way in the heartfelt open letter he wrote a few months ago:

A Letter to the Game | By Calvin Ridley

All I want is for people to understand that, when I made those bets, there was a hell of a lot more going on with me.

www.theplayerstribune.com

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Ridley and Christian Kirk do not line up the same position FYI...I don't understand the logic in wanting to put down what Kirk brings to the offense.
There obviously is not a strong WR to this point lining up on the outside but again, Kirk pays the slot and is one of the Top5 Slot-WRs in the NFL
If Ridley is going to line up in the slot, all that would do is relegate Kirk to a non weapon and why would the Jags do that?
More likely is Ridley is lining up outside and perhaps could be an improvement over the other WRs that Jax has been lining up on the outside.
What that means in terms of production...it's troubling to read posts where folks feel like slotting in the Kirk stats into the Ridley box, think that might be a huge mistake.

Yep. Ridley will see almost no snaps inside. Only Tyler Boyd saw more slot snaps than Kirk last season in the NFL. Additionally, Ridley was never an inside player in Atlanta.

While I doubt they will be as productive as the peak of this duo, the usage could be similar to Godwin/Evans. I like them both as WR 20-25 guys, though I certainly think Ridley has a higher ceiling, just because we've seen it before.

I understand this is Ridley's thread and i appreciate you posting with me on this.
I will go as far as to say Kirk will still be a weekly threat for 6/75+ meaning I have him easily clearing 80-90 catches and well over 1,000+ yds.
If anything, a bonafide threat on the outside will allow Kirk to line up against weaker DBs
Also, there is a pretty solid TE that was developing real chemistry with Trevor Lawrence.

How many receivers can accumulate 1,000 yds receiving in this offense? Also, I think Etienne is only going to become more dangerous in the passing game so there's that.
Ridley will easily find his way on to rosters by the time 25-30 WRs are off the board but that also makes him one of those WRs who comes off the board before a single WR is selected from other NFL teams.

MOP Inner thoughts: I don't always share what I'm thinking because I figure it will end up like that Larry Fitzgerald thread I posted one season, most folks don't really want to know what I'm thinking because it makes them question their entire process in redraft leagues. I don't compete in a single dynasty league so all you get from me is 2023 insight, I could care less what happens in 2024 right now. But I'll say something off the walls...I would almost rather have Elijah Moore who is now paired with DeSahun Watson in Cleveland. I think Moore could possibly have a better season than Ridley and would cost a lot less I'm guessing as most will overlook his trade to the Cleveland Browns

That's how I feel in June, that could change by early August but I look at positions or slots a little differently and this time of year all I am going to do is fire up dynasty players that don't want to be told how their team looks in 2023, these folks would much rather hear about how they might look in 2025 so it's difficult when I want to discuss redraft.
There are lots of signs that IMHO point to a selfish player in Calvin Ridley, others can feel much differently. I don't trust him so therefore I won't draft him.
Others can grab him, there seem to be folks who feel they have a potential Top 5-10 WR if things break right for him, I simply don't see that kind of ceiling that others are hinting at.
Different team, offense, QB, surrounding cast, now in the AFC, I'll take a wait and see approach with Ridley for now.

I'd say we are in about 65% agreement. I also think that there are signs that Ridley is perhaps a selfish player,

Not sure where you guys are getting that. Besides, certainly didn't seem to come across that way in the heartfelt open letter he wrote a few months ago:

A Letter to the Game | By Calvin Ridley

All I want is for people to understand that, when I made those bets, there was a hell of a lot more going on with me.

www.theplayerstribune.com

Not sure where we are getting what? I don't understand what you mean.
Ridley can write anything he wants and I appreciate you posting it in here, I didn't see this letter and I tend to follow a lot of NFL news but missed this, good find.
It doesn't change my observations about what his actions were during 2021.
But clearly it justifies things to many, even though...

"I ****ed up" those are Calvin Ridley's words and I accept them.


It's what led up to him being home and away from the field and betting on football that has me questioning many things with him.
I'm happy for those that can read his words and just shrug and say "I know that's right, he had anxiety and depression"
And I don't want @travdogg to get caught up in what I am posting, he has his own thoughts.
I have doubts about Ridley's self diagnosis, and I have never heard of any professional treatment or therapy he experienced after he self diagnosed.
I would like to hear more, especially the treatment he was able to utilize and overcome these challenges.
Otherwise, how does anyone know if he is 100% now?

And MoP has ****ed up a lot in life, I wish Ridley had just started and stopped on those 3 words, would have been more than enough for me.
And the letter is filled with jewelry-home robbery, the thrill of putting money in someone's hands, there's a lot of money talk in that letter.
That's one of the over riding themes some of us have tried to communicate to others who post acceptance of whatever Ridley says without support from medical professionals.

-When a player tears an ACL, when a player is going to have surgery we tend to get medical updates and we hear first hand from the doctors and coaches what the predicted outcome is. In this case, all we can do is base our opinions on what Ridley tells us. Call me crazy for raising my hand and asking a few questions.

None of this was aimed at you directly Zambo, always like to post back and forth with you. Great find, putting that letter into the thread.
Thank you

 

[menobrown]

I don't feel like Cleveland is loaded at WR yet and the path for Moore to start at WR seems attainable.

He is the starting slot receiver. They keep preaching he has inside-outside versatility so whether or not he's playing in two WR sets or not is only thing in question.

As for everything else being discussed today I'm out on all of it, spent to much energy already over last year 1.5 trying to tell people to get Ridley while you can and not here to go over it again. I"ll just say I want my WR's to be a little selfish, Moore is one of the best values going right now and I got Ridley in the WR10-12 range and that's all I got to say on this anymore.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't feel like Cleveland is loaded at WR yet and the path for Moore to start at WR seems attainable.

He is the starting slot receiver. They keep preaching he has inside-outside versatility so whether or not he's playing in two WR sets or not is only thing in question.

As for everything else being discussed today I'm out on all of it, spent to much energy already over last year 1.5 trying to tell people to get Ridley while you can and not here to go over it again. I"ll just say I want my WR's to be a little selfish, Moore is one of the best values going right now and I got Ridley in the WR10-12 range and that's all I got to say on this anymore.

We at the Ministry prefer bottom line answers and I respect everything you just posted.
I can share where some of my bias is rooted on this and the Kirk-Ridley discussion.

-First of all, Kirk was my WR4 in an all out blitz from the early rounds last year that typically looked something like this...
Adams-Hill-AJBrown-Kirk, if you saw me in redraft last year this was typically what my WR stable looked like and I did sacrifice a lot at RB but traded for CMC along the way, I had the luxury with a plethora of strong WRs and that is once again how I will construct my team this year.

Kirk was my Flex ALL YEAR, he almost made my stable of floaters at RB2 obsolete. meaning I didn't need to try and pull a RB into the flex spot and pray, almost every week Kirk got me solid production behind 3 way more explosive WRs. So MoP has a bias, it's obvious and I can see it while I am writing, not many would admit that.

I don't see Ridley as an issue, I don't see him as an obstacle
I hope Ridley can produce at a high level and draw some of the attention away from Kirk as he excels when defenses sleep on him.
He made teams pay when he was a Cardinal and that's one of the reasons Jacksonville paid him $72 Million.

 

[zamboni]

Ridley and Christian Kirk do not line up the same position FYI...I don't understand the logic in wanting to put down what Kirk brings to the offense.
There obviously is not a strong WR to this point lining up on the outside but again, Kirk pays the slot and is one of the Top5 Slot-WRs in the NFL
If Ridley is going to line up in the slot, all that would do is relegate Kirk to a non weapon and why would the Jags do that?
More likely is Ridley is lining up outside and perhaps could be an improvement over the other WRs that Jax has been lining up on the outside.
What that means in terms of production...it's troubling to read posts where folks feel like slotting in the Kirk stats into the Ridley box, think that might be a huge mistake.

Yep. Ridley will see almost no snaps inside. Only Tyler Boyd saw more slot snaps than Kirk last season in the NFL. Additionally, Ridley was never an inside player in Atlanta.

While I doubt they will be as productive as the peak of this duo, the usage could be similar to Godwin/Evans. I like them both as WR 20-25 guys, though I certainly think Ridley has a higher ceiling, just because we've seen it before.

I understand this is Ridley's thread and i appreciate you posting with me on this.
I will go as far as to say Kirk will still be a weekly threat for 6/75+ meaning I have him easily clearing 80-90 catches and well over 1,000+ yds.
If anything, a bonafide threat on the outside will allow Kirk to line up against weaker DBs
Also, there is a pretty solid TE that was developing real chemistry with Trevor Lawrence.

How many receivers can accumulate 1,000 yds receiving in this offense? Also, I think Etienne is only going to become more dangerous in the passing game so there's that.
Ridley will easily find his way on to rosters by the time 25-30 WRs are off the board but that also makes him one of those WRs who comes off the board before a single WR is selected from other NFL teams.

MOP Inner thoughts: I don't always share what I'm thinking because I figure it will end up like that Larry Fitzgerald thread I posted one season, most folks don't really want to know what I'm thinking because it makes them question their entire process in redraft leagues. I don't compete in a single dynasty league so all you get from me is 2023 insight, I could care less what happens in 2024 right now. But I'll say something off the walls...I would almost rather have Elijah Moore who is now paired with DeSahun Watson in Cleveland. I think Moore could possibly have a better season than Ridley and would cost a lot less I'm guessing as most will overlook his trade to the Cleveland Browns

That's how I feel in June, that could change by early August but I look at positions or slots a little differently and this time of year all I am going to do is fire up dynasty players that don't want to be told how their team looks in 2023, these folks would much rather hear about how they might look in 2025 so it's difficult when I want to discuss redraft.
There are lots of signs that IMHO point to a selfish player in Calvin Ridley, others can feel much differently. I don't trust him so therefore I won't draft him.
Others can grab him, there seem to be folks who feel they have a potential Top 5-10 WR if things break right for him, I simply don't see that kind of ceiling that others are hinting at.
Different team, offense, QB, surrounding cast, now in the AFC, I'll take a wait and see approach with Ridley for now.

I'd say we are in about 65% agreement. I also think that there are signs that Ridley is perhaps a selfish player,

Not sure where you guys are getting that. Besides, certainly didn't seem to come across that way in the heartfelt open letter he wrote a few months ago:

A Letter to the Game | By Calvin Ridley

All I want is for people to understand that, when I made those bets, there was a hell of a lot more going on with me.

www.theplayerstribune.com

Not sure where we are getting what? I don't understand what you mean.
Ridley can write anything he wants and I appreciate you posting it in here, I didn't see this letter and I tend to follow a lot of NFL news but missed this, good find.
It doesn't change my observations about what his actions were during 2021.
But clearly it justifies things to many, even though...

"I ****ed up" those are Calvin Ridley's words and I accept them.


It's what led up to him being home and away from the field and betting on football that has me questioning many things with him.
I'm happy for those that can read his words and just shrug and say "I know that's right, he had anxiety and depression"
And I don't want @travdogg to get caught up in what I am posting, he has his own thoughts.
I have doubts about Ridley's self diagnosis, and I have never heard of any professional treatment or therapy he experienced after he self diagnosed.
I would like to hear more, especially the treatment he was able to utilize and overcome these challenges.
Otherwise, how does anyone know if he is 100% now?

And MoP has ****ed up a lot in life, I wish Ridley had just started and stopped on those 3 words, would have been more than enough for me.
And the letter is filled with jewelry-home robbery, the thrill of putting money in someone's hands, there's a lot of money talk in that letter. That's one of the over riding themes some of us have tried to communicate to others who post acceptance of whatever Ridley says without much support from professionals in the medical community.

-When a player tears an ACL, when a player is going to have surgery we tend to get medical updates and we hear first hand from the doctors and coaches what the predicted outcome is. In this case, all we can do is base our opinions on what Ridley tells us. Call me crazy for raising my hand and asking a few questions.

None of this was aimed at you directly Zambo, always like to post back and forth with you. Great find, putting that letter into the thread.
Thank you

All good, GB. Just didn’t know where the selfish thing came from. Maybe he is, but so are probably lots of guys. Just posted the letter to show that maybe he’s grown up and humbled - or maybe it’s his publicist.

In any event, it matters little - hope he balls out this year.

 

[Payne]

I doubt I'll have any shares of Ridley. Not at his ADP. Guy hasn't played in two years and Jacksonville has talent to spread the ball to.

 

[Faust]

Jaguars WR Jamal Agnew on impact of adding Calvin Ridley: 'The league gotta watch out'

 

[jm192]

I doubt I'll have any shares of Ridley. Not at his ADP. Guy hasn't played in two years and Jacksonville has talent to spread the ball to.

This is where I'm at.

FBG has him at 23 and Kirk at 27. I'd rather have Kirk.

 

[kutta]

I doubt I'll have any shares of Ridley. Not at his ADP. Guy hasn't played in two years and Jacksonville has talent to spread the ball to.

This is where I'm at.

FBG has him at 23 and Kirk at 27. I'd rather have Kirk.

I’m the opposite. I’m a Cards fan and pretty much watched every snap Kirk took with them. He’s decent. But he’s not a WR1. He excelled in Jax last year because they just had no one else.
Ridley is a different beast and I can easily see him becoming the WR1 of this offense. Kirk will play the slot and still do alright, but I just think Ridley with Lawrence could be something special.

 

[rockaction]

Elijah Moore was NOT a first-round pick, contrary to some of the musings upthread.

Just figured I'd clarify. He was a second-round pick, albeit more towards the top of the round.

Now bear with me -- that actually makes him less selfish than it would seem otherwise. That is because there was no fifth-year option to pick up on the Jets part, and Elijah was going to have to fend for himself sooner than later. And do so at second-round salary constraints. So he needed to establish himself in the league (and at 5'8", you'd better be established after four years for job security alone, never mind salary), and he was getting nowhere near established in the league with LaFleur as the OC and Z. Wilson at QB. I hate that he wanted out during a Jets winning streak. I also understand it. If I were an agent and I cared about him personally and professionally, I might have advised forcing my way out of town, too. Too many careers ruined by sub-par coaches and QB play to even name, which I couldn't do anyway, because it's tough to come up with names of unrecognizably anonymous guys who are out of the league through no fault of their own.

What I don't understand is having a good situation and gambling on your own team while also, as MoP pointed out, folding your tent because you were not getting an extension after a good year.

Ridley probably isn't a bad guy at heart -- has anyone heard of any other character defects? -- but I wouldn't count on him when things get rough, that's for sure. And they might get that way. It's the NFL, after all. Hard man's game whether we like all that entails or not.

 

[King of the Jungle]

My only share is in dynasty where I plucked him off the waiver. I could see Ridley and Kirk watering each other down a bit and trading good scoring weeks all year. I hope for a quick Ridley start so I can try to unload him for future draft capital. I believe Ridley will resume being successful on the field, however I am more concerned about him being able to stay healthy after the time away.

 

[travdogg]

My only share is in dynasty where I plucked him off the waiver. I could see Ridley and Kirk watering each other down a bit and trading good scoring weeks all year. I hope for a quick Ridley start so I can try to unload him for future draft capital. I believe Ridley will resume being successful on the field, however I am more concerned about him being able to stay healthy after the time away.

There is certainly a reasonable scenario, where the Jags have a very good offense, but only Jaguar who ends up justifying his price tag is Lawrence.

 

[Deamon]

My only share is in dynasty where I plucked him off the waiver. I could see Ridley and Kirk watering each other down a bit and trading good scoring weeks all year. I hope for a quick Ridley start so I can try to unload him for future draft capital. I believe Ridley will resume being successful on the field, however I am more concerned about him being able to stay healthy after the time away.

There is certainly a reasonable scenario, where the Jags have a very good offense, but only Jaguar who ends up justifying his price tag is Lawrence.

I love most of your takes, but I still can't believe you think the Jags are going to have the 3rd WORST record in the NFL this year.

 

[travdogg]

My only share is in dynasty where I plucked him off the waiver. I could see Ridley and Kirk watering each other down a bit and trading good scoring weeks all year. I hope for a quick Ridley start so I can try to unload him for future draft capital. I believe Ridley will resume being successful on the field, however I am more concerned about him being able to stay healthy after the time away.

There is certainly a reasonable scenario, where the Jags have a very good offense, but only Jaguar who ends up justifying his price tag is Lawrence.

I love most of your takes, but I still can't believe you think the Jags are going to have the 3rd WORST record in the NFL this year.

Yeah, I've come around on the Jags (and gotten lower on the Texans/Titans) in the last 2 months. I still don't see them as any real threat in the AFC, but I was being too harsh on them.

 

[Deamon]

My only share is in dynasty where I plucked him off the waiver. I could see Ridley and Kirk watering each other down a bit and trading good scoring weeks all year. I hope for a quick Ridley start so I can try to unload him for future draft capital. I believe Ridley will resume being successful on the field, however I am more concerned about him being able to stay healthy after the time away.

There is certainly a reasonable scenario, where the Jags have a very good offense, but only Jaguar who ends up justifying his price tag is Lawrence.

I love most of your takes, but I still can't believe you think the Jags are going to have the 3rd WORST record in the NFL this year.

Yeah, I've come around on the Jags (and gotten lower on the Texans/Titans) in the last 2 months. I still don't see them as any real threat in the AFC, but I was being too harsh on them.

Do you have them winning the div now?

 

[travdogg]

There is certainly a reasonable scenario, where the Jags have a very good offense, but only Jaguar who ends up justifying his price tag is Lawrence.

I love most of your takes, but I still can't believe you think the Jags are going to have the 3rd WORST record in the NFL this year.

Yeah, I've come around on the Jags (and gotten lower on the Texans/Titans) in the last 2 months. I still don't see them as any real threat in the AFC, but I was being too harsh on them.

Do you have them winning the div now?

I do, I think 10-7 is reasonable. I'm just not seeing a step forward, more of a sideways move from last season. I've gotten a lot lower on the Titans, I'm starting to think they could be a team that starts selling players off at the deadline. Like Tannehill/Henry/Byard level guys.

Both South division winners are 4 seeds in my eyes, and strong candidates to lose in round 1.

ETA: Since its the Ridley thread, I'll add that I've moved him up a hair to WR17, which is late 3rd round for me. Kirk I have WR28 as an early 5th rounder. Etienne I've got RB14 as a late 4th. Engram I've got TE10 as a 9/10 turn type, and I've got Lawrence QB8 as a mid-6th rounder. At those values, Lawrence has been the only one I really ever end up with.

 

[Dez]

I traded Jamaal Williams for Ridley earlier this year. Worth a shot if not oh well.

Jamaal Williams smashed for 17 TD's and this trade still paid off for me as I am weak at WR.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I’m somewhat surprised at the tepid reaction Ridley is getting from the FF community thus far this season. I suspect Ridley will move up draft boards over the next 6 weeks. Feels like there is a lot of slack in the rope that is the JAX offense. Lawrence was a Burrow level prospect and he started to show out in ‘22 and Ridley has been a bonafide stud in this league. Quite frankly, putting Ridley atop the depth chart at WR puts Kirk/Zay in roles better suited for their talent.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Said this in the Kirk thread but I think Ridley has the higher ceiling and Kirk has the higher floor (especially in PPR formats).

But Travdog is right: the player to own here is Lawrence.

 

[menobrown]

I’m somewhat surprised at the tepid reaction Ridley is getting from the FF community thus far this season. I suspect Ridley will move up draft boards over the next 6 weeks.

The tide is turning, he's going as WR16 in FFPC drafts covering the last few days.

What surprises me is I might talk to someone who who pulls a Waddle or Higgins type and then 1-2 rounds later they say they pass on Ridley and cite target share and /or Kirk as a reason. That is one of the more baffling things to me to be comfortable spending considerably more draft capital to take a clear cut second banana well over him but then get scared off because of Kirk/target share. I don't share the other concerns on Ridley some do, time away or his mental state, but at least that makes more sense to me as a reason to pass on Ridley after if you are willing to spend more on clear second options