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WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (2 Viewers)

Anarchy99 said:
The rules have been the same and the level of punishment has been the same for the past 60 years. The precedent has been set (indefinite suspension with a one year minimum), the players have the gambling rules and punishment explained to them every year, and there is very little to debate on this one. That's the way it's been for decades. 

The most recent player suspended for gambling was ARI CB Josh Shaw. Like Ridley, Shaw was away from the team and was on season ending IR with a shoulder injury. He made a similar sized bet as Ridley on a three-team parlay at a Caesars Sportsbook (except he bet against the Cardinals). Caesars was designated as the first casino partner for the NFL earlier that year.

He was suspended indefinitely toward the end of the 2019 season, and Goodell determined he would miss the entire 2020 season as well. He was eligible to apply for reinstatement on February 15, 2021, and the NFL reinstated him on March 20, 202, He was suspended for a total of 21 games, but he has not played in the NFL since he was reinstated.

 
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Oh for sure… I’m saying what I think the penalty should be.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Oh for sure… I’m saying what I think the penalty should be.
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IMO, the specter of the Dolphins owner trying to pay his head coach to intentionally lose games is way more serious and could have impacted way more wagers than a single player making a single bet when he wasn't even actively playing on his team. But the rules are the rules. The league clearly has an optics / P.R. / inconsistency problem and has for years. They are far and away still the most popular sport and rake in billions of dollars each season, so I am guessing they don't really care how fans perceive things (no matter what minimal attempts they make to try to placate people on occasion).

 
Anarchy99 said:
IMO, the specter of the Dolphins owner trying to pay his head coach to intentionally lose games is way more serious and could have impacted way more wagers than a single player making a single bet when he wasn't even actively playing on his team. But the rules are the rules. The league clearly has an optics / P.R. / inconsistency problem and has for years. They are far and away still the most popular sport and rake in billions of dollars each season, so I am guessing they don't really care how fans perceive things (no matter what minimal attempts they make to try to placate people on occasion).
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I think they’re equally bad for the game.

Did you watch that video highlighting those several plays were Ridley forgot how to run north and south and suddenly ran East/West when it looked like he was going to easily score?

Yeah, that’s a terrible look

 
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Buckna said:
Not just that, what if a guy gets cut during the season, during training camp, etc.? He is he not allowed to bet either if he has no intention of coming back? Does the NFL monitor friends and family as well and they aren’t allowed to bet?

What about ole’ cousin Jimmy that lives back east that called and wanted to know how everybody’s feeling on the team before the big game tonight?
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thats kind of where I was going....I looked up the rules and it just refers to anybody that is "NFL personell"....at what point are you no longer considered "NFL personnel".....Brady and Big Ben just retired....are they "NFL personnel"....can they bet on games....what if they unretire...?.....

it's kind of why I was making snarky remarks about Ridley and the mental health stuff....does he really have mental health issues or was that just an easy thing to throw out there as a screen for what was really going on at the time....has he been getting treatment this whole time for mental health and the gambling was a separate issue....?....

the timing kind of doesn't pass the sniff test as far as the mental health angle...but we will never know because that is all confidential and none of our business...Ridley deserves to be suspended if for nothing else then just being stupid and not having a buddy place his bets....

but I am curious at what point you are no longer NFL personnel.....cut/major injury/officially "retired"....etc...

 
FairWarning said:
Casino workers cannot play progressive payout games - it’s a bad look if they were to win, and it questions the integrity of the business.  
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You talking like NFL has integrity. 🤣

Basically, the rule hasn't progressed with the times... back in the day gambling had a much different connotation and sports were trying to stamp it out. Now sports are making multiple millions off gambling revenue, there are teams in Vegas, and you can use like 10 different Sportsbook apps to place a wager on a phone w/o ever stepping into "the seedy underbelly of organized gambling".

Hot Sauce Guy said:
I think they’re equally bad for the game.

Did you watch that video highlighting those several plays were Ridley forgot how to run north and south and suddenly ran East/West when it looked like he was going to easily score?

Yeah, that’s a terrible look
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That... is quite the hot take, Hot Sauce Guy.

 
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The Frankman said:
You talking like NFL has integrity. 🤣

Basically, the rule hasn't progressed with the times... back in the day gambling had a much different connotation and sports were trying to stamp it out. Now sports are making multiple millions off gambling revenue, there are teams in Vegas, and you can use like 10 different Sportsbook apps to place a wager on a phone w/o ever stepping into "the seedy underbelly of organized gambling".

That... is quite the hot take, Hot Sauce Guy.
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Shocking if true

 
The Frankman said:
You talking like NFL has integrity. 🤣

Basically, the rule hasn't progressed with the times... back in the day gambling had a much different connotation and sports were trying to stamp it out. Now sports are making multiple millions off gambling revenue, there are teams in Vegas, and you can use like 10 different Sportsbook apps to place a wager on a phone w/o ever stepping into "the seedy underbelly of organized gambling".

That... is quite the hot take, Hot Sauce Guy.
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Pot is legal in many states now, it isn’t for semi truck drivers.  

If people want to gamble, they cannot play in the NFL.  It’s a simple decision.

 
The Frankman said:
You talking like NFL has integrity. 🤣

Basically, the rule hasn't progressed with the times... back in the day gambling had a much different connotation and sports were trying to stamp it out. Now sports are making multiple millions off gambling revenue, there are teams in Vegas, and you can use like 10 different Sportsbook apps to place a wager on a phone w/o ever stepping into "the seedy underbelly of organized gambling".

That... is quite the hot take, Hot Sauce Guy.
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And, they will continue to make multiple millions, as long as the betting public thinks the games are fair.

Why am I going to bet on a game if some QB can make extra $$$$ by throwing an untimely interception.

 
Zow said:
I take no issue with it. The key legal standard for professional sports is unpredictability of the outcome. A professional athlete gambling calls this into question and directly impacts this core element (whereas a DV offense is bad, it doesn’t go to such a core element). There can be no tolerance for gambling by professional athletes and sanctions should be severe to deter such a behavior. 
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Yep.  See Rose, Pete.

 
FOX's Jay Glazer reports the Eagles were close to acquiring Falcons WR Calvin Ridley before his indefinite suspension for gambling. 

Glazer had previously reported "a couple of teams" were closing in on a deal, but the Eagles are the first name to leak out. It's a moot point now, as Ridley can't return until 2023 at the earliest. By then, he will be heading into his age-29 campaign with just five games under his belt from the previous two seasons. It's an indication the Eagles will be active in a reasonably strong free agent receiver class. Their corps remains completely woeful behind 2021 first-rounder DeVonta Smith. 

- Thomas Petersen, Twitter
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Calvin heard during his time away from the team he might be traded to the Iggles and intentionally went to Florida to bet on the Falcons to avoid being traded there.

See, THAT'S a conspiracy theory with some legs!

 
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The Frankman said:
Calvin heard during his time away from the team he might be traded to the Iggles and intentionally went to Florida to bet on the Falcons to avoid being traded there.

See, THAT'S a conspiracy theory with some legs!
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Why not just quit for good?  He could still get traded to the Eagles this time next year.

 
https://sportshandle.com/calvin-ridley-nfl-betting-activity/

According to documents obtained and reviewed by Sports Handle, the Falcons wideout bet more than $3,900 on six separate wagers that included Falcons games. Five of the bets were parlays that included Atlanta’s moneyline while one was a $1,300 in-game wager on Atlanta’s team total that was made in the second half of the Falcons’ 21–14 victory against the Jaguars on Nov. 28. The parlays were based on a $300, 11-leg bet of games.

Per Sports Handle, the bet—which included odds of 481/1—would have produced more than $144,000 if successful. The former Alabama star also reportedly placed two additional $100 wagers on NFL games that did not include the Falcons. In the bets for those games, Ridley won and profited $654. Per Sports Handle, Ridley placed 33 additional wagers on other sports and leagues that totaled $32,733. Of those wagers, Ridley profited $2,744.
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Is he still a thing?  Move on guys.  If you have him on your dynasty squad then hold for a year if your rosters are 24 or4 25, or drop if below that.

 
So for anybody with Ridley in a dynasty league - have you received any offers for him?  Or did you reach out to deal him away?  Curious to see in trades that involved him, was he offered first or asked for first? 

I have him in one league and have no issue with giving him up - but haven't had one single person offer anything for him.  In the two trade discussions that I've had recently, when I mentioned including him as a piece in the deal I was immediately shut down with "nope no interest in him whatsoever".    :shrug:

 
wlwiles said:
So for anybody with Ridley in a dynasty league - have you received any offers for him?  Or did you reach out to deal him away?  Curious to see in trades that involved him, was he offered first or asked for first? 
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I've received no trade offers for him but I can't recall receiving a trade offer for him in last 2 years or whenever and I own him in 3 leagues.

I had made no trade offers after the suspension but there have been a few posts on these boards made with trades involving him and seems like his value is like a solid third, which I think should be higher.

For most part I was holding off on making some offers until I could expand my rosters which is a few weeks ago but I looked it over just a few hours ago and offered 3.4 and Laviska-who was meant as a throw in since I'd not be keeping him if I did this. I got rejected with comment "they don't like Laviska".  Ha, always hate when throw in is reason cited for the trade reject.Owner of the team I made the offer to is a poster here and will likely read this message, if you do hit me up if you want to deal Ridley.😁

 
wlwiles said:
So for anybody with Ridley in a dynasty league - have you received any offers for him?  Or did you reach out to deal him away?  Curious to see in trades that involved him, was he offered first or asked for first? 

I have him in one league and have no issue with giving him up - but haven't had one single person offer anything for him.  In the two trade discussions that I've had recently, when I mentioned including him as a piece in the deal I was immediately shut down with "nope no interest in him whatsoever".    :shrug:
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Gave Ridley/3.12

Got 2.12

 
wlwiles said:
So for anybody with Ridley in a dynasty league - have you received any offers for him?  Or did you reach out to deal him away?  Curious to see in trades that involved him, was he offered first or asked for first? 

I have him in one league and have no issue with giving him up - but haven't had one single person offer anything for him.  In the two trade discussions that I've had recently, when I mentioned including him as a piece in the deal I was immediately shut down with "nope no interest in him whatsoever".    :shrug:
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I am a Ridley owner...  HOLDING since I am in rebuild.  No expectation for big value in 2022 season.  Hoping 2023 is a good turn of events .....  

FWIW:  I traded for Ridley right before the "break" last year - gave TJ Hock & 1.05 ....  🥴

 
wlwiles said:
Was that proposed by you or the other owner? 
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I proposed it.  I opened trade talks with a lot of people.  And I started the day the news broke.  

I sent e-mails with the subject line "Calvin Ridley at a Discounted price."  And I just tried to be as upfront with people as I could.  "Hey man, sure you've heard what's going on with his suspension.  I'm not really wanting to eat a roster spot for the next year, thought I'd see if people want to buy low." 

I think psychology plays a big role in trade talks.  And I was afraid people would think I was trying to pull one over on them.  And I just wanted to squash that right away so that I could get SOMETHING out of the deal and still be rid of Ridley.

 
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heckmanm said:
Got offered Ridley for Corey Davis and a 2023 2nd. The 2nd seems like a lot for a guy who may not play again.
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Corey Davis is just north of worthless... he might be startable but he's extremely unlikely to lead you to a title.  A 2nd round pick is a good dart throw but it can hit and still be nowhere near as good as Ridley. 

If it helps, consider this year's draft class - would you take Ridley over Burks, London, Olave, Jameson... probably not. Would you take him over the tier two guys like Pickens, Watson, etc? I wouldn't argue with you either way.  Would you take him over the tier down after that?  That seems like a no brainer.  So he's probably worth an early second in this year's draft. Call it 2.3.

If he offered the trade to you for 2.3 or your own second next year, would you give the 22 2nd or your 23 2nd?  I clearly give my future 2nd. What about 2.6?  I still give my future 2nd instead of a mid 22 2nd.  Maybe 2.10 is around where i consider 1:1 swap for the same round next year?  

So now let's triangulate. If he offered 2.3 for Davis and 2.10, would you take it? Based on everything i said above, i would. 

If I'd take Ridley around 2.3, then I should be willing to pay something equivalent to 2.3 to get him.  So to me this is a fair trade offer.  Probably the high end of what I would pay but not a difficult decision for me. 

 
bostonfred said:
Corey Davis is just north of worthless... he might be startable but he's extremely unlikely to lead you to a title.  A 2nd round pick is a good dart throw but it can hit and still be nowhere near as good as Ridley. 

If it helps, consider this year's draft class - would you take Ridley over Burks, London, Olave, Jameson... probably not. Would you take him over the tier two guys like Pickens, Watson, etc? I wouldn't argue with you either way.  Would you take him over the tier down after that?  That seems like a no brainer.  So he's probably worth an early second in this year's draft. Call it 2.3.

If he offered the trade to you for 2.3 or your own second next year, would you give the 22 2nd or your 23 2nd?  I clearly give my future 2nd. What about 2.6?  I still give my future 2nd instead of a mid 22 2nd.  Maybe 2.10 is around where i consider 1:1 swap for the same round next year?  

So now let's triangulate. If he offered 2.3 for Davis and 2.10, would you take it? Based on everything i said above, i would. 

If I'd take Ridley around 2.3, then I should be willing to pay something equivalent to 2.3 to get him.  So to me this is a fair trade offer.  Probably the high end of what I would pay but not a difficult decision for me. 
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Appreciate that perspective.  I was probably holding out too much hope of Davis having value.

Now I just hope I don't end up with TWO dead roster spots for 2022 (I also have Deshaun Watson)

 
menobrown said:
The cost to you is just the roster spot. You got a WR1/2 for probably 2-3 years at least for cost of a wasted roster spot for a year. I'd take it.
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Yeah in the 19th there's a fair chance it would be a wasted roster spot no matter what, with WAY less upside.

 
menobrown said:
The cost to you is just the roster spot. You got a WR1/2 for probably 2-3 years at least for cost of a wasted roster spot for a year. I'd take it.
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19th round is about the earliest I would consider him.  I do not expect a WR1/2 for 2-3 years from Ridley, though.  A single WR2 year makes this  pick worthwhile, and that feels like the most likely scenario for the rest of his career.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Decent lottery ticket for 2023. Maybe you get a productive year out of him, in the 19th, it’s maybe worth a shot. 

I probably wouldn’t, but I don’t hate it. 
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2023 is a long way off.  Especially for a guy that wouldn’t have played for two years.  Hell, he may not even want to play again.  19th round is no great loss, but…….

 
JohnnyU said:
2023 is a long way off.  Especially for a guy that wouldn’t have played for two years.  Hell, he may not even want to play again.  19th round is no great loss, but…….
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Yup. I’m with you on Ridley. There are so many things that can go wrong with him, and very few things that can go right.

I agree that if you get a single WR2 season out of him, you got good value for that pic.

 
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