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WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (1 Viewer)

If Ridley actually has a gambling problem (which he probably doesnt, just saying) he could bet on one of a thousand other things.  He screwed up.  Why bet football ya dope?

Goes back to my question, have the players been made aware of the punishment for this?

 
Let’s be real, it’s not that the punishment for Ridley is too harsh.  It’s not.  You absolutely can not have players, coaches, etc betting on NFL games.  But the punishment for domestic abuse, if we’re calling that 2-6 games, is insanely light.  
Why is it light?  The NFL isnt the court of law.   These guys get zero jail time.  What, are we gonna look to the NFL to be end all be all of morality??

Maybe the actual laws of our country should actually punish those losers.  Hard to practice and play when you are in jail.

 
Based on responses in here, I guess my take will be unpopular. It is very possible that he wagered on games AND has mental issues. To suggest he is a “piece of garbage” or didn’t/doesn’t have mental issues is a giant leap and shows a huge ignorance on how mental health issues work. 

 
it could say something, it might not. It could just mean he isn’t confident that they’ll beat whomever. I’d assume the real issue is that simple rules are generally better than more complicated rules, and as stated before, perception. 
And if he’s not confident he’ll win,it indirectly tells others to bet the other side.  This is what happened to Pete Rose.  

 
And if he’s not confident he’ll win,it indirectly tells others to bet the other side.  This is what happened to Pete Rose.  
Wasnt Rose betting on games he was managing??  That's not good.  Not when he can treat a game in july like its Game 7 of the world series

 
Many in here seem shocked by the punishment. 

Was the punishment for gambling on football known by the players?

If so, well, what exactly is there to complain about?  Should they cut Ridley a ton of slack for some reason?

Also, comparing this to the other punishment for players for DV or whatever is silly.  One could ruin the league, the others cant.  Horrible argument.

It doesnt mean they think gambling is worse than DV, it means they think gambling is worse for their business than DV
The players know the punishment.  Some think they are above it though.

 
Wasnt Rose betting on games he was managing??  That's not good.  Not when he can treat a game in july like its Game 7 of the world series
Yup and not only was he a bad bettor, the bookies bet the other side when he didn’t feel confident enough to bet on them.   Tough when you are burning out a pitching staff over $250 bets.

 
Let’s be real, it’s not that the punishment for Ridley is too harsh.  It’s not.  You absolutely can not have players, coaches, etc betting on NFL games.  But the punishment for domestic abuse, if we’re calling that 2-6 games, is insanely light.  
Absolutely. It's a horrible look. Gordon gets suspended for years for weed, Ridley at least a year for betting - Ray Rice for 2 games for beating his fiance. 
For Ridley, he screwed up, and is paying a really tough lesson for it. Obviously you cant bet on your own sport, you have inside info - and especially in a league where owners allegedly pay $$ to throw games. He knew it and messed up.  Doesnt make him a bad person, but yea there are consequences and he will have to face them.

Why is it light?  The NFL isnt the court of law.   These guys get zero jail time.  What, are we gonna look to the NFL to be end all be all of morality??

Maybe the actual laws of our country should actually punish those losers.  Hard to practice and play when you are in jail.
Are you under the impression Ridley will be getting jail time?

 
Based on responses in here, I guess my take will be unpopular. It is very possible that he wagered on games AND has mental issues. To suggest he is a “piece of garbage” or didn’t/doesn’t have mental issues is a giant leap and shows a huge ignorance on how mental health issues work. 
This was my exact first thought when I saw some posters talk about it setting the mental health back.  He could be stepping away due to mental health and also gambled during that time frame.  It doesn't have to be one or the other. 

 
And if he’s not confident he’ll win,it indirectly tells others to bet the other side.  This is what happened to Pete Rose.  
I understand your point, and I’m not screaming “legalize it”.  The rules are clear, he violated the rules. Ultimately the NFL and all pro sports are a business (major college sports are too). So the league’s leaders do what they feel they must to protect the bottom line. 
If we want more punishment for other alleged crimes, the way to do that is through showing the league that fans won’t stand for it. As a whole, fans don’t do that. 

 
I understand your point, and I’m not screaming “legalize it”.  The rules are clear, he violated the rules. Ultimately the NFL and all pro sports are a business (major college sports are too). So the league’s leaders do what they feel they must to protect the bottom line. 
If we want more punishment for other alleged crimes, the way to do that is through showing the league that fans won’t stand for it. As a whole, fans don’t do that. 
I agree with you.  College sports have been littered with gambling scandals in the past.  Heck, bettors use sites like this for info, they would be foolish not to.  
 

other issues like DV, that is a gray area as you have courts to deal with.  It goes to show how hard it is to make it as a pro athlete, owners will overlook some things as long as they can play.  Unfortunately public Image isn’t at the top of teams priorities.

 
Why is it light?  The NFL isnt the court of law.   These guys get zero jail time.  What, are we gonna look to the NFL to be end all be all of morality??

Maybe the actual laws of our country should actually punish those losers.  Hard to practice and play when you are in jail.
Of course the NFL isn’t the “court of law.” But the NFL, just like every employer in the world, has the right (and in reality, obligation) to establish what is acceptable or not in terms of employee behavior.

Beat your wife as the CEO of an organization?  You’re likely getting fired.  Beat your wife in the NFL?  Sit out a couple weeks because you have athletic skills that nobody else in the world has.  The league has clearly taken a position on how they feel about gambling in the game vs beating women vs smoking weed.  And by comparison, the weed and domestic abuse seem light.  

 
I take no issue with it. The key legal standard for professional sports is unpredictability of the outcome. A professional athlete gambling calls this into question and directly impacts this core element (whereas a DV offense is bad, it doesn’t go to such a core element). There can be no tolerance for gambling by professional athletes and sanctions should be severe to deter such a behavior. 
I understand the perception but it seems like an extremely shallow view. Gambling on NFL games is now at the very forefront of the NFLs marketing program. To think players placing bets on their phones using their own accounts is the big risk or that this suspension shows how serious the league is about its integrity is ridiculous. I’m not critical of the NFL here as it is an organization that has never made any effort to hide its motivations. I don’t care what happens to this particular player. The absurdity for me comes from the notion that this punishment should indicate the NFL is serious about its integrity and preventing gambling influences in the game. 
 

 
Domestic violence doesn't cut at the integrity of a business where a team and stadium can be valued at eight billion dollars a pop. 

Domestic violence sufferers get way less than that in damages. We've decided that as a society, domestic violence is less important than throwing eight billion dollars up for grabs because a sport's participants want to gamble. 

Before people confuse this, let me state this: We assign a dollar value to everything. Whether or not we like that is up for debate. What is not up for debate is that we value one life less than eight billion dollars. You'll never see that in damages. The city of St. Louis just raked in around 875,000 million dollars from the L.A. Rams for malfeasance. The Rams could have killed somebody deliberately and paid less in civil damages. As soon as somebody puts eight billion in jeopardy, you can bet they're unleashing hounds. 
Perfectly said!

 
Many in here seem shocked by the punishment. 

Was the punishment for gambling on football known by the players?

If so, well, what exactly is there to complain about?  Should they cut Ridley a ton of slack for some reason?

Also, comparing this to the other punishment for players for DV or whatever is silly.  One could ruin the league, the others cant.  Horrible argument.

It doesnt mean they think gambling is worse than DV, it means they think gambling is worse for their business than DV
Sometimes I’m about to write a long and detailed response, and see one like this and it completely saves me the time. 
 

agree with every word.. well said.

 
Wasnt Rose betting on games he was managing??  That's not good.  Not when he can treat a game in july like its Game 7 of the world series
Yes. And he reportedly did all kinds of questionable things, like wearing out his bullpen for a meaningless game in August to protect the spread when they were likely going to win the game regardless.  He didn’t care how many games he lost after that, only that he won that game by a certain amount of runs.

so when you hear him say BS like “I only ever bet on the Reds to win“, just know that even the wins were detrimental to the team. He would also use relievers on short rest, to the detriment of the players. Again, putting his personal interests ahead of anything else.

And for those who still love Pete Rose for his “Charlie hustle“ schtick, as player/manager, he kept putting himself in the lineup over the younger & at the time arguably better hitter Paul O’Neill in order to suck out the hits record. presumably because he knew there was a dollar in it for him after he retired. Dude was hitting between .245 and .260 the last four or five years of his career.

when named player/manager, he explicitly promised the owners of the Reds his descission making as manager would not impact the development of the team. He completely betrayed that promise for his own self-interest.

He also spent the better part of 30 years lying his butt off to anyone who put a microphone in front of him, only to finally tell the truth when he was completely busted for what he’d done. He makes me sick to my stomach. He is the worst example of greed and selfishness against the better interests of a sport.

 
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Many in here seem shocked by the punishment. 

Was the punishment for gambling on football known by the players?

If so, well, what exactly is there to complain about?  Should they cut Ridley a ton of slack for some reason?

Also, comparing this to the other punishment for players for DV or whatever is silly.  One could ruin the league, the others cant.  Horrible argument.

It doesnt mean they think gambling is worse than DV, it means they think gambling is worse for their business than DV
Spot on.

 
More I think about it, the more ridleys tweet sounds ridiculous.

it was only $1500, I don’t have a gambling problem

bro… You cost yourself around $50 million. I’d say that’s a problem. 

 
More I think about it, the more ridleys tweet sounds ridiculous.

it was only $1500, I don’t have a gambling problem

bro… You cost yourself around $50 million. I’d say that’s a problem. 
Everyone wants a good story and there to be an underlying issue that makes said person the victim. 

Sometimes (most times) people just do something stupid without thinking or believing they’ll be caught. 

 
More I think about it, the more ridleys tweet sounds ridiculous.

it was only $1500, I don’t have a gambling problem

bro… You cost yourself around $50 million. I’d say that’s a problem. 


Everyone wants a good story and there to be an underlying issue that makes said person the victim. 

Sometimes (most times) people just do something stupid without thinking or believing they’ll be caught. 
Honestly, I care far less about his betting on his team than I do the excuse or attempted justification. 

 
Honestly, I care far less about his betting on his team than I do the excuse or attempted justification. 
Yeah, I mean… It seems like a little contrition might’ve been an order rather than a “NBD“ type tweet.

because it is, in fact, a very big deal.

 
At what point is it fair to consider Ridley just out of the NFL? Between the mental health stuff(which likely isn't going to get better in the light of this) and being suspended for gambling on games, is anyone actually confident he'll be back in 2023? 

 
At what point is it fair to consider Ridley just out of the NFL? Between the mental health stuff(which likely isn't going to get better in the light of this) and being suspended for gambling on games, is anyone actually confident he'll be back in 2023? 
I’ve set it a few times… I think he’s completely done. When he comes back he’ll be 29 years old (at least) and who knows what team he will be playing for. And that said, it’s difficult for me to believe that he will be back, because looking at some of the tape 2021 appears to be trying not to score on several of those plays where he pretty obviously had defenders beat for touchdowns.

I believe that is going to get much worse before all is said and done. It would not shock me at all to learn that the reason he left for “mental health” is because the team or league became suspicious of those plays. 

this one might get really ugly.

 
Punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime IMO. But nothing about the NFL makes sense anymore  :grad:
How so?

Alex Karras, suspended 1 season for gambling on games

Paul Hornung, suspended 1 season for gambling on games

Art Schlichter, suspended 1 season for gambling on games(and then banned for life for not stopping)

Pete Rose, banned for life, and never allowed in the HOF despite being the all time leader in hits.

Shoeless Joe Jackson, banished to an Iowa cornfield for eternity.

 
if you really want to bet....why not have one of your buddies make the bet for you?.....he must have missed the Chris Carter "make sure you have a fall guy" seminar....

 
I understand the perception but it seems like an extremely shallow view. Gambling on NFL games is now at the very forefront of the NFLs marketing program. To think players placing bets on their phones using their own accounts is the big risk or that this suspension shows how serious the league is about its integrity is ridiculous. I’m not critical of the NFL here as it is an organization that has never made any effort to hide its motivations. I don’t care what happens to this particular player. The absurdity for me comes from the notion that this punishment should indicate the NFL is serious about its integrity and preventing gambling influences in the game. 
 
I guess reasonable minds will have to differ here. I don't find the notion absurd at all. I see gambling as a inevitable (and frankly positive) trend towards the public's consumption of the product and the NFL would be silly not to try to embrace it somewhat and get a piece of the pie. But, in doing so, they must set a clear and hardline rule that players cannot get involved. Period. It directly effects the core of the game and I don't see it as that big of a deal for the league to tell players to just not touch it nor for that rule/policy to be followed by the player. 

In contrast, while it's certainly within the NFL's right to sanction players for off-field conduct, I tend to find its doing so to be more disingenuous (to a significant extent beyond the gambling issue). For example, Rice's and Hunt's second suspensions (IIRC) came after video was released. To then take further action (especially well after the courts had already acted in Rice's case and before a conviction in Hunt's case) seemed purely reactionary to be protect its image. 

 
You’re right. Any player caught gambling on the NFL should be banned for life. If he only gets a year, it will be light.
The rules have been the same and the level of punishment has been the same for the past 60 years. The precedent has been set (indefinite suspension with a one year minimum), the players have the gambling rules and punishment explained to them every year, and there is very little to debate on this one. That's the way it's been for decades. 

The most recent player suspended for gambling was ARI CB Josh Shaw. Like Ridley, Shaw was away from the team and was on season ending IR with a shoulder injury. He made a similar sized bet as Ridley on a three-team parlay at a Caesars Sportsbook (except he bet against the Cardinals). Caesars was designated as the first casino partner for the NFL earlier that year.

He was suspended indefinitely toward the end of the 2019 season, and Goodell determined he would miss the entire 2020 season as well. He was eligible to apply for reinstatement on February 15, 2021, and the NFL reinstated him on March 20, 202, He was suspended for a total of 21 games, but he has not played in the NFL since he was reinstated.

 

 
can you gamble on NFL games when you retire....or is that off limits forever...?
Not just that, what if a guy gets cut during the season, during training camp, etc.? He is he not allowed to bet either if he has no intention of coming back? Does the NFL monitor friends and family as well and they aren’t allowed to bet?

What about ole’ cousin Jimmy that lives back east that called and wanted to know how everybody’s feeling on the team before the big game tonight?

 

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