WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (2 Viewers)

[travdogg]

I’m somewhat surprised at the tepid reaction Ridley is getting from the FF community thus far this season. I suspect Ridley will move up draft boards over the next 6 weeks.

The tide is turning, he's going as WR16 in FFPC drafts covering the last few days.

What surprises me is I might talk to someone who who pulls a Waddle or Higgins type and then 1-2 rounds later they say they pass on Ridley and cite target share and /or Kirk as a reason. That is one of the more baffling things to me to be comfortable spending considerably more draft capital to take a clear cut second banana well over him but then get scared off because of Kirk/target share. I don't share the other concerns on Ridley some do, time away or his mental state, but at least that makes more sense to me as a reason to pass on Ridley after if you are willing to spend more on clear second options

I think the counterpoint to that would be that Ridley hasn't been that guy since 2020, while guys like Higgins and Waddle have more recent track records and (especially Waddle) may still be ascendent.

I think one could also argue that Waddle in particular is just a more talented and more versatile WR. I see no reason to value Ridley over Waddle beyond one of them is a #1, but I'm not sure that matters. I'd probably make a similar though less impassioned argument vis a vis Devonta Smith vs Ridley as I think they are more similar talents.

Higgins is more interesting. I think Ridley is probably a better WR than Higgins, but Lawrence still has a ways to go before being in Burrow's league, as does the Jags offense in general to be in Cincy's.

 

[menobrown]

I’m somewhat surprised at the tepid reaction Ridley is getting from the FF community thus far this season. I suspect Ridley will move up draft boards over the next 6 weeks.

The tide is turning, he's going as WR16 in FFPC drafts covering the last few days.

What surprises me is I might talk to someone who who pulls a Waddle or Higgins type and then 1-2 rounds later they say they pass on Ridley and cite target share and /or Kirk as a reason. That is one of the more baffling things to me to be comfortable spending considerably more draft capital to take a clear cut second banana well over him but then get scared off because of Kirk/target share. I don't share the other concerns on Ridley some do, time away or his mental state, but at least that makes more sense to me as a reason to pass on Ridley after if you are willing to spend more on clear second options

I think the counterpoint to that would be that Ridley hasn't been that guy since 2020, while guys like Higgins and Waddle have more recent track records and (especially Waddle) may still be ascendent.

I think one could also argue that Waddle in particular is just a more talented and more versatile WR. I see no reason to value Ridley over Waddle beyond one of them is a #1, but I'm not sure that matters. I'd probably make a similar though less impassioned argument vis a vis Devonta Smith vs Ridley as I think they are more similar talents.

Higgins is more interesting. I think Ridley is probably a better WR than Higgins, but Lawrence still has a ways to go before being in Burrow's league, as does the Jags offense in general to be in Cincy's.

Like I said in my post if you want to be lower on Ridley because of the time away that's not the same thing as being scared off because of Kirk.

And fwiw I think Ridley is better then any of them and why I have him rated over all of them. A better player, with a better QB then two of them and he's the #1.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I’m somewhat surprised at the tepid reaction Ridley is getting from the FF community thus far this season. I suspect Ridley will move up draft boards over the next 6 weeks.

The tide is turning, he's going as WR16 in FFPC drafts covering the last few days.

What surprises me is I might talk to someone who who pulls a Waddle or Higgins type and then 1-2 rounds later they say they pass on Ridley and cite target share and /or Kirk as a reason. That is one of the more baffling things to me to be comfortable spending considerably more draft capital to take a clear cut second banana well over him but then get scared off because of Kirk/target share. I don't share the other concerns on Ridley some do, time away or his mental state, but at least that makes more sense to me as a reason to pass on Ridley after if you are willing to spend more on clear second options

Come TC/pre-season, there are going to be all sorts of 'Ridley looks amazing' type coverage. He's a young 29 which isn't old for a WR. Plus, Lawrence is likely going to get that same type of coverage. By late August, Ridley might start even getting overdrafted. Feels like an August hype vehicle incoming because that ADP is simply way too low.

 

[Gally]

I’m somewhat surprised at the tepid reaction Ridley is getting from the FF community thus far this season. I suspect Ridley will move up draft boards over the next 6 weeks.

The tide is turning, he's going as WR16 in FFPC drafts covering the last few days.

What surprises me is I might talk to someone who who pulls a Waddle or Higgins type and then 1-2 rounds later they say they pass on Ridley and cite target share and /or Kirk as a reason. That is one of the more baffling things to me to be comfortable spending considerably more draft capital to take a clear cut second banana well over him but then get scared off because of Kirk/target share. I don't share the other concerns on Ridley some do, time away or his mental state, but at least that makes more sense to me as a reason to pass on Ridley after if you are willing to spend more on clear second options

I think the counterpoint to that would be that Ridley hasn't been that guy since 2020, while guys like Higgins and Waddle have more recent track records and (especially Waddle) may still be ascendent.

I think one could also argue that Waddle in particular is just a more talented and more versatile WR. I see no reason to value Ridley over Waddle beyond one of them is a #1, but I'm not sure that matters. I'd probably make a similar though less impassioned argument vis a vis Devonta Smith vs Ridley as I think they are more similar talents.

Higgins is more interesting. I think Ridley is probably a better WR than Higgins, but Lawrence still has a ways to go before being in Burrow's league, as does the Jags offense in general to be in Cincy's.

Like I said in my post if you want to be lower on Ridley because of the time away that's not the same thing as being scared off because of Kirk.

And fwiw I think Ridley is better then any of them and why I have him rated over all of them. A better player, with a better QB then two of them and he's the #1.

My guess is that it's the combo of target share/Kirk (I don't subscribe to that) AND the layoff that pushes him lower. I highly doubt the naysayers are solely doing that based on Kirk being there. All of that is part of the equation. I think people are just being brief when citing only target share as a reason.

 

[menobrown]

I’m somewhat surprised at the tepid reaction Ridley is getting from the FF community thus far this season. I suspect Ridley will move up draft boards over the next 6 weeks.

The tide is turning, he's going as WR16 in FFPC drafts covering the last few days.

What surprises me is I might talk to someone who who pulls a Waddle or Higgins type and then 1-2 rounds later they say they pass on Ridley and cite target share and /or Kirk as a reason. That is one of the more baffling things to me to be comfortable spending considerably more draft capital to take a clear cut second banana well over him but then get scared off because of Kirk/target share. I don't share the other concerns on Ridley some do, time away or his mental state, but at least that makes more sense to me as a reason to pass on Ridley after if you are willing to spend more on clear second options

I think the counterpoint to that would be that Ridley hasn't been that guy since 2020, while guys like Higgins and Waddle have more recent track records and (especially Waddle) may still be ascendent.

I think one could also argue that Waddle in particular is just a more talented and more versatile WR. I see no reason to value Ridley over Waddle beyond one of them is a #1, but I'm not sure that matters. I'd probably make a similar though less impassioned argument vis a vis Devonta Smith vs Ridley as I think they are more similar talents.

Higgins is more interesting. I think Ridley is probably a better WR than Higgins, but Lawrence still has a ways to go before being in Burrow's league, as does the Jags offense in general to be in Cincy's.

Like I said in my post if you want to be lower on Ridley because of the time away that's not the same thing as being scared off because of Kirk.

And fwiw I think Ridley is better then any of them and why I have him rated over all of them. A better player, with a better QB then two of them and he's the #1.

My guess is that it's the combo of target share/Kirk (I don't subscribe to that) AND the layoff that pushes him lower. I highly doubt the naysayers are solely doing that based on Kirk being there. All of that is part of the equation. I think people are just being brief when citing only target share as a reason.

All you got to do is look , it's all over these boards in multiple threads with people worried about Kirk and deducing Ridley's target share could be a challenge and that being a major reason to be lower on him.

 

[Gally]

I’m somewhat surprised at the tepid reaction Ridley is getting from the FF community thus far this season. I suspect Ridley will move up draft boards over the next 6 weeks.

The tide is turning, he's going as WR16 in FFPC drafts covering the last few days.

What surprises me is I might talk to someone who who pulls a Waddle or Higgins type and then 1-2 rounds later they say they pass on Ridley and cite target share and /or Kirk as a reason. That is one of the more baffling things to me to be comfortable spending considerably more draft capital to take a clear cut second banana well over him but then get scared off because of Kirk/target share. I don't share the other concerns on Ridley some do, time away or his mental state, but at least that makes more sense to me as a reason to pass on Ridley after if you are willing to spend more on clear second options

I think the counterpoint to that would be that Ridley hasn't been that guy since 2020, while guys like Higgins and Waddle have more recent track records and (especially Waddle) may still be ascendent.

I think one could also argue that Waddle in particular is just a more talented and more versatile WR. I see no reason to value Ridley over Waddle beyond one of them is a #1, but I'm not sure that matters. I'd probably make a similar though less impassioned argument vis a vis Devonta Smith vs Ridley as I think they are more similar talents.

Higgins is more interesting. I think Ridley is probably a better WR than Higgins, but Lawrence still has a ways to go before being in Burrow's league, as does the Jags offense in general to be in Cincy's.

Like I said in my post if you want to be lower on Ridley because of the time away that's not the same thing as being scared off because of Kirk.

And fwiw I think Ridley is better then any of them and why I have him rated over all of them. A better player, with a better QB then two of them and he's the #1.

My guess is that it's the combo of target share/Kirk (I don't subscribe to that) AND the layoff that pushes him lower. I highly doubt the naysayers are solely doing that based on Kirk being there. All of that is part of the equation. I think people are just being brief when citing only target share as a reason.

All you got to do is look , it's all over these boards in multiple threads with people worried about Kirk and deducing Ridley's target share could be a challenge and that being a major reason to be lower on him.

I get that. My point is that those down on Ridley have already put in their bias into their negative view. You almost can't avoid that if you are on the negative side of him.

 

[menobrown]

I’m somewhat surprised at the tepid reaction Ridley is getting from the FF community thus far this season. I suspect Ridley will move up draft boards over the next 6 weeks.

The tide is turning, he's going as WR16 in FFPC drafts covering the last few days.

What surprises me is I might talk to someone who who pulls a Waddle or Higgins type and then 1-2 rounds later they say they pass on Ridley and cite target share and /or Kirk as a reason. That is one of the more baffling things to me to be comfortable spending considerably more draft capital to take a clear cut second banana well over him but then get scared off because of Kirk/target share. I don't share the other concerns on Ridley some do, time away or his mental state, but at least that makes more sense to me as a reason to pass on Ridley after if you are willing to spend more on clear second options

Come TC/pre-season, there are going to be all sorts of 'Ridley looks amazing' type coverage. He's a young 29 which isn't old for a WR. Plus, Lawrence is likely going to get that same type of coverage. By late August, Ridley might start even getting overdrafted. Feels like an August hype vehicle incoming because that ADP is simply way too low.

FYI he is 28 and will be for all but two fantasy games next season.

I think he has a little margin to move up but not a ton. Like I said he's already going as WR16 in FFPC. The 5 WR's ahead of him in that format are Metcalf, Higgins, Olave, Devonta and Waddle. My guess is he'll eventually pass Metcalf and maybe one other from this group, maybe, and I say that barring injury to one of them. So I'm thinking he'll end up as WR14-15. I have him as WR11.

Past the WR rankings I think he can move up about a round. He's going end of round 3 right now and I'd not be surprised to see him hovering in that late 2 range.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Ridley is 28, turns 29 in Dec. He is a proven #1 WR and could have 1-2 more seasons of prime WR production. I really like him this season if he can get on the same page as Lawrence.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I will also add that Ridley is one of the best route runners in the league. Even Davonte Adams has him as top 5 in his list. As others mentioned, he's currently going in the WR16-20 range.

 

[TripItUp]

Ridley is a tad pricey for me...I find myself with zero shares of Ridley thus far and don't anticipate that changing.

WRs I'd rather have at hisi ADP(per FantasyPros publicly available ADP) include the following:

Jeudy
Watson
Mike Williams
Aiyuk
Godwin

And that doesn't take into account other positions.

 

[Biabreakable]

Ive been sold on Ridley the football player since watching him block one defender into another defender for Drake leading to an easy long gain, maybe a TD. I dont remember that. My eyes were all on Ridley.

Hes a great football player. Not worried about the time off at all. Hes awesome.

 

[Da Franchise]

Ive been sold on Ridley the football player since watching him block one defender into another defender for Drake leading to an easy long gain, maybe a TD. I dont remember that. My eyes were all on Ridley.

Hes a great football player. Not worried about the time off at all. Hes awesome.

Agree that Occam’s Razor applies here. Very good wide receivers playing with very good quarterbacks tend to produce very good fantasy stats. Sometimes we don’t have to think so hard.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Ridley is a tad pricey for me...I find myself with zero shares of Ridley thus far and don't anticipate that changing.

WRs I'd rather have at hisi ADP(per FantasyPros publicly available ADP) include the following:

Jeudy
Watson
Mike Williams
Aiyuk
Godwin

And that doesn't take into account other positions.

fwiw, I'd agree with Williams > Ridley, but not the rest. Jeudy I'd call a push.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I doubt I'll have any shares of Ridley. Not at his ADP. Guy hasn't played in two years and Jacksonville has talent to spread the ball to.

This is where I'm at.

FBG has him at 23 and Kirk at 27. I'd rather have Kirk.

I’m the opposite. I’m a Cards fan and pretty much watched every snap Kirk took with them. He’s decent. But he’s not a WR1. He excelled in Jax last year because they just had no one else.
Ridley is a different beast and I can easily see him becoming the WR1 of this offense. Kirk will play the slot and still do alright, but I just think Ridley with Lawrence could be something special.

Kirk is one of the Top-5 Slot WRs in the NFL, I'm not rebuking you, simply sharing that he doesn't line up wide and I don't believe Kirk's role is going to diminish.
When you pair some talent at WR with a strong QB, you can get a lot of magic.
I do understand why folks are checking Ridley out and wanting to see him succeed but Kirk already has chemistry with Lawrence.
If anything i see Ridley having a better 2nd Half of what now feels like a much longer season that stretches all the way into early-mid January before the Playoffs even start.
Christian Kirk is a slot-WR, I would judge him on those merits.

Cooper Kupp is the NFL's top Slot-WR and has been for a while, Kupp lines up in more than just the slot, for sure. The next 4-5 names IMHO include Christian Kirk.
I appreciate your POV since you watched Kirk many times in Arizona, I honestly did not watch him a lot there but saw him every week in Jacksonville.
I'm biased Kutta, I had him as my Flex on almost every redraft last year behind a buzzsaw of WRs at 1-2-3 so I think he's just swell but not everyone will share that opinion.

 

[Biabreakable]

I doubt I'll have any shares of Ridley. Not at his ADP. Guy hasn't played in two years and Jacksonville has talent to spread the ball to.

This is where I'm at.

FBG has him at 23 and Kirk at 27. I'd rather have Kirk.

I’m the opposite. I’m a Cards fan and pretty much watched every snap Kirk took with them. He’s decent. But he’s not a WR1. He excelled in Jax last year because they just had no one else.
Ridley is a different beast and I can easily see him becoming the WR1 of this offense. Kirk will play the slot and still do alright, but I just think Ridley with Lawrence could be something special.

Kirk is one of the Top-5 Slot WRs in the NFL, I'm not rebuking you, simply sharing that he doesn't line up wide and I don't believe Kirk's role is going to diminish.
When you pair some talent at WR with a strong QB, you can get a lot of magic.
I do understand why folks are checking Ridley out and wanting to see him succeed but Kirk already has chemistry with Lawrence.
If anything i see Ridley having a better 2nd Half of what now feels like a much longer season that stretches all the way into early-mid January before the Playoffs even start.
Christian Kirk is a slot-WR, I would judge him on those merits.

Cooper Kupp is the NFL's top Slot-WR and has been for a while, Kupp lines up in more than just the slot, for sure. The next 4-5 names IMHO include Christian Kirk.
I appreciate your POV since you watched Kirk many times in Arizona, I honestly did not watch him a lot there but saw him every week in Jacksonville.
I'm biased Kutta, I had him as my Flex on almost every redraft last year behind a buzzsaw of WRs at 1-2-3 so I think he's just swell but not everyone will share that opinion.

I think Kirk is a decent slot WR and a fine #2 WR for a NFL team but not a top 5 slot WR. When you are saying that are you including WR who can win as slot WR and other WR roles as well? Because unless you are not counting Justin Jefferson and many others who are great in the slot WR role plus more there is no way you could reasonably think that.

In my opinion Ridley is a better WR than Kirk in the slot WR role plus he can excel on thr outside as well. Certainly better in WR roles other than the slot than Kirk is.

Most of your argument is that your opinion of Kirks talent paired with a great ascending QB is good for Kirk but should be applied to Ridley as well.

Do you think Kirk is a better WR than Ridley?

I dont. I think Ridley is much better than Kirk is.

The rest of your post is about the opportunity Kirk got last season due to much lower quality of competition for tatgets. Its not 2022 anymore and that situation has changed.

People are talking about experience and report with Lawrence somehow giving Kirk an edge over Ridley. I dont see it that way because Lawrence is going to go to the WR who is the most open, most talented and gives him the best chance of making plays. Thats how report and chemistry happens, when a WR is a good football player and earns the QBs trust because of that.

 

[Da Franchise]

Ridley is a tad pricey for me...I find myself with zero shares of Ridley thus far and don't anticipate that changing.

WRs I'd rather have at hisi ADP(per FantasyPros publicly available ADP) include the following:

Jeudy
Watson
Mike Williams
Aiyuk
Godwin

And that doesn't take into account other positions.

fwiw, I'd agree with Williams > Ridley, but not the rest. Jeudy I'd call a push.

Y’all are really gonna follow Jeudy straight into the gates of hell lol

 

[kutta]

I doubt I'll have any shares of Ridley. Not at his ADP. Guy hasn't played in two years and Jacksonville has talent to spread the ball to.

This is where I'm at.

FBG has him at 23 and Kirk at 27. I'd rather have Kirk.

I’m the opposite. I’m a Cards fan and pretty much watched every snap Kirk took with them. He’s decent. But he’s not a WR1. He excelled in Jax last year because they just had no one else.
Ridley is a different beast and I can easily see him becoming the WR1 of this offense. Kirk will play the slot and still do alright, but I just think Ridley with Lawrence could be something special.

Kirk is one of the Top-5 Slot WRs in the NFL, I'm not rebuking you, simply sharing that he doesn't line up wide and I don't believe Kirk's role is going to diminish.
When you pair some talent at WR with a strong QB, you can get a lot of magic.
I do understand why folks are checking Ridley out and wanting to see him succeed but Kirk already has chemistry with Lawrence.
If anything i see Ridley having a better 2nd Half of what now feels like a much longer season that stretches all the way into early-mid January before the Playoffs even start.
Christian Kirk is a slot-WR, I would judge him on those merits.

Cooper Kupp is the NFL's top Slot-WR and has been for a while, Kupp lines up in more than just the slot, for sure. The next 4-5 names IMHO include Christian Kirk.
I appreciate your POV since you watched Kirk many times in Arizona, I honestly did not watch him a lot there but saw him every week in Jacksonville.
I'm biased Kutta, I had him as my Flex on almost every redraft last year behind a buzzsaw of WRs at 1-2-3 so I think he's just swell but not everyone will share that opinion.

I think Kirk is a decent slot WR and a fine #2 WR for a NFL team but not a top 5 slot WR. When you are saying that are you including WR who can win as slot WR and other WR roles as well? Because unless you are not counting Justin Jefferson and many others who are great in the slot WR role plus more there is no way you could reasonably think that.

In my opinion Ridley is a better WR than Kirk in the slot WR role plus he can excel on thr outside as well. Certainly better in WR roles other than the slot than Kirk is.

Most of your argument is that your opinion of Kirks talent paired with a great ascending QB is good for Kirk but should be applied to Ridley as well.

Do you think Kirk is a better WR than Ridley?

I dont. I think Ridley is much better than Kirk is.

The rest of your post is about the opportunity Kirk got last season due to much lower quality of competition for tatgets. Its not 2022 anymore and that situation has changed.

People are talking about experience and report with Lawrence somehow giving Kirk an edge over Ridley. I dont see it that way because Lawrence is going to go to the WR who is the most open, most talented and gives him the best chance of making plays. Thats how report and chemistry happens, when a WR is a good football player and earns the QBs trust because of that.

I agree with this. Kirk is good, and very good in the slot. Ridley is great. He's just on a different level than any other WR on that team.

Even though Kirk played the slot last year and most likely will this year, that doesn't mean he will continue to have the same usage. When you have someone like Ridley running wide open deep, there will be less check downs to the slot guy (Kirk).

 

[travdogg]

I doubt I'll have any shares of Ridley. Not at his ADP. Guy hasn't played in two years and Jacksonville has talent to spread the ball to.

This is where I'm at.

FBG has him at 23 and Kirk at 27. I'd rather have Kirk.

I’m the opposite. I’m a Cards fan and pretty much watched every snap Kirk took with them. He’s decent. But he’s not a WR1. He excelled in Jax last year because they just had no one else.
Ridley is a different beast and I can easily see him becoming the WR1 of this offense. Kirk will play the slot and still do alright, but I just think Ridley with Lawrence could be something special.

Kirk is one of the Top-5 Slot WRs in the NFL, I'm not rebuking you, simply sharing that he doesn't line up wide and I don't believe Kirk's role is going to diminish.
Cooper Kupp is the NFL's top Slot-WR and has been for a while, Kupp lines up in more than just the slot, for sure. The next 4-5 names IMHO include Christian Kirk.

Just of the top of my head, I'd rank slot WRs (guys who spend over 50% of snaps in the slot) as:
1. Kupp
2. Lamb
3. St.Brown
4. Allen
5. Godwin
6. Kirk

Agree that Kirk has become a good player the last 2 years, after being kind of meh early in his Cards career, likely because he was playing outside, because Fitz was in the slot.

Ridley is a tad pricey for me...I find myself with zero shares of Ridley thus far and don't anticipate that changing.

WRs I'd rather have at hisi ADP(per FantasyPros publicly available ADP) include the following:

Jeudy
Watson
Mike Williams
Aiyuk
Godwin

And that doesn't take into account other positions.

I'd take Watson over Ridley, but that's probably it from that list. I can sort of see the case for Jeudy (if Russ bounces back) or Williams (if Moore brings the big play offense to LA) but tough to see a case for Aiyuk or Godwin, that isn't just anti-Ridley.

 

[Biabreakable]

The whole slot WR vs WR categorization is a facile argument and ranking players in such a way is misleading.

Justin jefferson ran 46% of his routes starting from the slot position in 2022 with the 3rd most yards from the slot position.

Yet he isnt on these lists because he is more than just a slot WR.

Kirk actually had the 2nd most yards from the slot last season, more than Jefferson did. About 80% of his total yards came from the slot. However Jefferson gained twice as many yards per route run from the slot than Kirk did.

This whole line of reasoning is selection bias and I have known you guys for too long to think you dont know better than this.

Stats easily found by cursory search provided by pff.

While I dont think its very useful to partition WR this way for a ranking, if you are going to do that rank them by yards per route run from the slot if you want to talk about players who are good at that.

 

[metoo]

I doubt I'll have any shares of Ridley. Not at his ADP. Guy hasn't played in two years and Jacksonville has talent to spread the ball to.

This is where I'm at.

FBG has him at 23 and Kirk at 27. I'd rather have Kirk.

I’m the opposite. I’m a Cards fan and pretty much watched every snap Kirk took with them. He’s decent. But he’s not a WR1. He excelled in Jax last year because they just had no one else.
Ridley is a different beast and I can easily see him becoming the WR1 of this offense. Kirk will play the slot and still do alright, but I just think Ridley with Lawrence could be something special.

Kirk is one of the Top-5 Slot WRs in the NFL, I'm not rebuking you, simply sharing that he doesn't line up wide and I don't believe Kirk's role is going to diminish.
When you pair some talent at WR with a strong QB, you can get a lot of magic.
I do understand why folks are checking Ridley out and wanting to see him succeed but Kirk already has chemistry with Lawrence.
If anything i see Ridley having a better 2nd Half of what now feels like a much longer season that stretches all the way into early-mid January before the Playoffs even start.
Christian Kirk is a slot-WR, I would judge him on those merits.

Cooper Kupp is the NFL's top Slot-WR and has been for a while, Kupp lines up in more than just the slot, for sure. The next 4-5 names IMHO include Christian Kirk.
I appreciate your POV since you watched Kirk many times in Arizona, I honestly did not watch him a lot there but saw him every week in Jacksonville.
I'm biased Kutta, I had him as my Flex on almost every redraft last year behind a buzzsaw of WRs at 1-2-3 so I think he's just swell but not everyone will share that opinion.

I think Kirk is a decent slot WR and a fine #2 WR for a NFL team but not a top 5 slot WR. When you are saying that are you including WR who can win as slot WR and other WR roles as well? Because unless you are not counting Justin Jefferson and many others who are great in the slot WR role plus more there is no way you could reasonably think that.

In my opinion Ridley is a better WR than Kirk in the slot WR role plus he can excel on thr outside as well. Certainly better in WR roles other than the slot than Kirk is.

Most of your argument is that your opinion of Kirks talent paired with a great ascending QB is good for Kirk but should be applied to Ridley as well.

Do you think Kirk is a better WR than Ridley?

I dont. I think Ridley is much better than Kirk is.

The rest of your post is about the opportunity Kirk got last season due to much lower quality of competition for tatgets. Its not 2022 anymore and that situation has changed.

People are talking about experience and report with Lawrence somehow giving Kirk an edge over Ridley. I dont see it that way because Lawrence is going to go to the WR who is the most open, most talented and gives him the best chance of making plays. Thats how report and chemistry happens, when a WR is a good football player and earns the QBs trust because of that.

Disagree. His last year in Atlanta he only played in the slot 10% of the time. I'm down on Ridley but they fit perfectly.

 

[Biabreakable]

I doubt I'll have any shares of Ridley. Not at his ADP. Guy hasn't played in two years and Jacksonville has talent to spread the ball to.

This is where I'm at.

FBG has him at 23 and Kirk at 27. I'd rather have Kirk.

I’m the opposite. I’m a Cards fan and pretty much watched every snap Kirk took with them. He’s decent. But he’s not a WR1. He excelled in Jax last year because they just had no one else.
Ridley is a different beast and I can easily see him becoming the WR1 of this offense. Kirk will play the slot and still do alright, but I just think Ridley with Lawrence could be something special.

Kirk is one of the Top-5 Slot WRs in the NFL, I'm not rebuking you, simply sharing that he doesn't line up wide and I don't believe Kirk's role is going to diminish.
When you pair some talent at WR with a strong QB, you can get a lot of magic.
I do understand why folks are checking Ridley out and wanting to see him succeed but Kirk already has chemistry with Lawrence.
If anything i see Ridley having a better 2nd Half of what now feels like a much longer season that stretches all the way into early-mid January before the Playoffs even start.
Christian Kirk is a slot-WR, I would judge him on those merits.

Cooper Kupp is the NFL's top Slot-WR and has been for a while, Kupp lines up in more than just the slot, for sure. The next 4-5 names IMHO include Christian Kirk.
I appreciate your POV since you watched Kirk many times in Arizona, I honestly did not watch him a lot there but saw him every week in Jacksonville.
I'm biased Kutta, I had him as my Flex on almost every redraft last year behind a buzzsaw of WRs at 1-2-3 so I think he's just swell but not everyone will share that opinion.

I think Kirk is a decent slot WR and a fine #2 WR for a NFL team but not a top 5 slot WR. When you are saying that are you including WR who can win as slot WR and other WR roles as well? Because unless you are not counting Justin Jefferson and many others who are great in the slot WR role plus more there is no way you could reasonably think that.

In my opinion Ridley is a better WR than Kirk in the slot WR role plus he can excel on thr outside as well. Certainly better in WR roles other than the slot than Kirk is.

Most of your argument is that your opinion of Kirks talent paired with a great ascending QB is good for Kirk but should be applied to Ridley as well.

Do you think Kirk is a better WR than Ridley?

I dont. I think Ridley is much better than Kirk is.

The rest of your post is about the opportunity Kirk got last season due to much lower quality of competition for tatgets. Its not 2022 anymore and that situation has changed.

People are talking about experience and report with Lawrence somehow giving Kirk an edge over Ridley. I dont see it that way because Lawrence is going to go to the WR who is the most open, most talented and gives him the best chance of making plays. Thats how report and chemistry happens, when a WR is a good football player and earns the QBs trust because of that.

Disagree. His last year in Atlanta he only played in the slot 10% of the time. I'm down on Ridley but they fit perfectly.

My point isnt that Ridley will take Kirks job. There is room for both of them in this offense.

My point is that I think Ridley is better than Kirk and if you ranked all WR who can play slot or outside WR roles Kirk might not be in the top 20-30.

These guys are just ranking him as such because he is pretty much limited to being only a slot WR role as evidenced by that is where most of his yards come from.

 

[Largent]

Ridley is going to end up top 10 by years end. Taking him in the 4th or lower every day of the week.

 

[Faust]

Connor Allen @ConnorAllenNFL
Trevor Lawrence on Calvin Ridley:

"On the field, he’s a freak, just the way he runs routes, how explosive he is. He has great hands, seems like he’s picking stuff up. It’s going really well."

https://twitter.com/connorallennfl/status/1681692861467701248?s=21

 

[greenmountaingoat]

I'm a sucker for Ridley. I feel like he was an elite ascending talent who lost Julio as a guy to draw coverage then a series of unfortunate events happened. Some self-inflicted and some non-self-inflicted. Matt Ryan turned to dust before our eyes, partly because of an OLine that was very much a work in progress and Ridley struggled with his own mental health then the gambling suspension. I think the surrounding talent in terms of the other WRs and QB, system etc. are much more of a set-up for him to smash than they were in early 2021.

2021 Falcons - Gage-Zaccheaus -rookie Pitts-36 year old Matt Ryan/ Arthur Smith year 1 vs
2023 Jags- Kirk-Zay Jones- Engram, ascending elite QB TLaw, year 2 Pederson

2020--90 for 1374 on 143 for 9 in on a 26%TS (was over 27% in 2021)
I don't think 24% is out of the question, at all. I think he's going for 90+, 1150+ and 7+

I have him as the guy y'all will wish you drafted in the 4th when you had the chance.

 

[menobrown]

I have him as the guy y'all will wish you drafted in the 4th when you had the chance.

He's a guy I wish I could draft in the 4th. I think I'm on a 6 league streak were I could not get him with my pick in round 4. One of my biggest annoyances of drafts so far this year. If I picked late in round 4 he'd go late but just out of reach. If I picked early round 4 he'd go earlier. Missed him by 1-3 picks in most of those leagues.

My second to last draft I drew pick 12. First thought I had was that's fine, at least I can get Ridley now at 3.12/4.1. He went 3.11. Come on man.

I have him ranked were he should be going late round 2/early 3. But I keep trying to get him at "value" and it's not been working. Eventually I'm probably just going to start taking him where I've got him ranked.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Calvin Ridley Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Calvin Ridley. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

He turns 29 this year and its only his 5th season in the NFL?
90 catches in 2020, 3 years ago and next best is 63, but he doesn't need a ton of balls to be a 2nd Rd pick, right?
12-13-15 and then 9 yards per catch...scratch that, he's going to need to rack up 100 balls to be of much value.
Hit double dgits once for TDs, 10.

Maybe he's just not that good or quite the freak that some think he is
Numbers don't lie do they?

 

[kutta]

Calvin Ridley Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Calvin Ridley. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

He turns 29 this year and its only his 5th season in the NFL?
90 catches in 2020, 3 years ago and next best is 63, but he doesn't need a ton of balls to be a 2nd Rd pick, right?
12-13-15 and then 9 yards per catch...scratch that, he's going to need to rack up 100 balls to be of much value.
Hit double dgits once for TDs, 10.

Maybe he's just not that good or quite the freak that some think he is
Numbers don't lie do they?

There's a lot of well-documented reasons for his average games. But when he did have it together in 2020, his numbers were:

Receptions per game: 6
Yards per game: 91.6
TD's: 9

Chase's best year so far:

Receptions per game: 7.3
Yards per game: 87.2
TD's: 9

I agree it's a bit risky since he hasn't played in a long time, but if reports are to be believed, he's in great shape and making a really good impression in camp. And he now has an actual real QB throwing to him - should be an interesting year.

 

[Faust]

John Shipley @_John_Shipley

Can't take video of this period, but Calvin Ridley already made the catch of the day on a pass from Trevor Lawrence

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status/1684199113334685696?s=21

.... he just made another one.

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status/1684202042267410435?s=21

 

[massraider]

Here we go!

 

[Deamon]

Here we go!

what happened

 

[menobrown]

Here we go!

what happened

Pretty much some more of this:

The summer of Calvin Ridley: Why the Jaguars’ new receiver is primed for a comeback

 

[Hoh]

John Shipley @_John_Shipley

Can't take video of this period, but Calvin Ridley already made the catch of the day on a pass from Trevor Lawrence

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status/1684199113334685696?s=21

.... he just made another one.

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status/1684202042267410435?s=21

Sounds like Lawrence doesn’t throw a very catchable ball.

 

[Faust]

Calvin Ridley 'more motivated than ever' at Jaguars camp: 'Ready to get back whatever I lost'

 

[Biabreakable]

John Shipley @_John_Shipley

Can't take video of this period, but Calvin Ridley already made the catch of the day on a pass from Trevor Lawrence

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status/1684199113334685696?s=21

.... he just made another one.

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status/1684202042267410435?s=21

Sounds like Lawrence doesn’t throw a very catchable ball.

Right. XD

They do things in camp to test things out they might not do in games you know?

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

At his age, no doubt Ridley has to be motivated for his one chance to get big bucks in free agency.

Huge season for Calvin Ridley incoming.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Ridley sounds like a man ready to bet on himself.

 

[Faust]

John Shipley @_John_Shipley
"I would say Calvin Ridley, on offense. Just the way he practices, it is a different speed, different level ... he is one who has stood out there." -- #Jaguars Doug Pederson when asked who has stood out this week.

Pointed out Tyson Campbell on defense.

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status/1685260133880778752?s=21

 

[Faust]

Jaguars head coach Doug Pederson said Calvin Ridley is dealing with a toe injury.
Ridley will be limited at practice on Wednesday. The veteran, who has played five games since the start of the 2021 season, has been impressive during his first training camp with the Jaguars, profiling as Jacksonville’s clear No. 1 wideout. His toe situation will be one to monitor as fantasy managers approach their drafts.

 

[goose_egged]

Toe? I don't like the sound of that

 

[rockaction]

Toe?

D'oh!

 

[zamboni]

He got toe jam football.

 

[Faust]

Mark Long @APMarkLong

Jaguars now say WR Calvin Ridley's toe soreness was related to his cleats. He switched them and felt much better.

https://twitter.com/apmarklong/status/1686761944684830720?s=21

 

[Loipz]

Would you look at that, it’s supposedly just a cleat issue..

https://twitter.com/ESPNdirocco/status/1686762094358573056?s=20

 

[Chemical X]

i'm willing to take a gamble on Ridley this year.

 

[fuzzy_dunlop]

i'm willing to take a gamble on Ridley this year.

Yeah I'm getting sucked in. Depending how the draft goes pairing him up with Lawrence is a titillating scenario

 

[-jb-]

i'm willing to take a gamble on Ridley this year.

Yeah I'm getting sucked in. Depending how the draft goes pairing him up with Lawrence is a titillating scenario

I feel like I deliberately reach just to get this stack. That said, it can be a sacrifice in doing so.

 

[Savatage79]

All in... I feel alot of people are going to regret reaching if even a little to have him on their team.

 

[kutta]

All in... I feel alot of people are going to regret reaching if even a little to have him on their team.

Do you mean - regret “not” reaching?

If so, I agree.

 

[Savatage79]

All in... I feel alot of people are going to regret reaching if even a little to have him on their team.

Do you mean - regret “not” reaching?

If so, I agree.

Yea that's what I meant my bad. With what kirk did I believe ridley can do even better.

 

[Faust]

John Shipley
Press Taylor says seeing Calvin Ridley in person and the power he explodes off the line of scrimmage with has helped him get a feel for what makes him so talented.

"I can get where that would be a terrifying feeling if I was a defensive back."

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status/1689608368606818304?s=21