He’s been steady, and I think he’s earned it. That being said nobody seems to respect him so you can probably get him much later than you should.
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WR Christian Kirk, HOU (2 Viewers)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I have him in several 2-3 man keeper/redraft leagues
-He's one of the better slot-WRs in the NFL and you notice Evan Engram ends up having perhaps his best game of the season after Kirk leaves on the 1st play of the game, he suddenly was the guy filling up the middle of the field.
-As long as Pederson is the HC and the Jags don't draft a WR in the 1st Rd or go and sign/trade for a bigger name, Kirk is paid around $15M per year which isn't elite level money but it's not chump change either. He has a specific role in this offense. He was on pace for about 80/1,000+ yds and his usual 5-6 TDs, he's not flashy but he's typically a solid WR2/3 most weeks depending on who your alpha-WR1 is.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
it's a keep 3, ppr... tds for QBs are worth 6pts..... so im gonna likely adopt dropping all my RBs (decent ones) and go with a combo of nico collins and lamb as my locks.... then my 3rd spot is between kirk, burrow, saquon and henry. torn as of now, but we'll see
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
This is the only place I'm seeing this reported. So it's for sure? Safe to drop?
jm192
Footballguy
Rapaport reported it on the Tweeter. Sadly legit.
That is who I went after. Didn't end up with him though.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I laid off all Jax receivers. They play Balt, Clev and Carolina 3 out of the next 4. All top 4 pass D's. Only good matchup is TB. And even when Trevor comes back he'll be a fraction of what he was. Ankle heavily taped, less mobility and time to create plays, etc. Just don't think it's a good situation at all.
I'm on the other side of that. He's not in my top-40. I think the additions of Brian Thomas and Gabe Davis are showing an increased want to attack downfield, and I think Engram has pulled close to even with Kirk as the option in the middle of the field. I don't think he has the ceiling he had in 2022.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Averaged 7.8 and 7.6 tpg the last 2 years. Even if that comes down a bit with Gabe and Thomas in town (Zay Jones and Ridley both left).
Would it surprise me if he gets 7 targets a game? Not really. Ridley had 136 and Zay Jones had 64 last year but also missed 6 games I believe.
Not sure where he is going in redraft right now but could end up being a value. Could even be cheaper when everyone goes nuts on rookie camp hype with BTJ.
Would it surprise me if he gets 7 targets a game? Not really. Ridley had 136 and Zay Jones had 64 last year but also missed 6 games I believe.
Not sure where he is going in redraft right now but could end up being a value. Could even be cheaper when everyone goes nuts on rookie camp hype with BTJ.
Engram I agree, but not at all concerned with Thomas (rookie who many think will struggle) and Davis (not much needs to be said here).
Trevor LOVES Kirk and despite seemingly trying to replace him, it just hasn't happened.
Both Zay and Ridley are gone and I would argue those two are superior talents to Thomas and Davis.
I think BT and Gabe will both help him, and Engram.
They've been trying to attack downfield but they had Ridley miscast in that role. In time I expect Brian Thomas to be more but I think he'll start in that role and he may not be as good as an overall WR as Ridley is now but I think he'll be better in the role they tried to have Ridley fill. Same for Gabe over Zay. I think they got WR's to do more of what they want to do, but I believe Trevor led the league last year in targets to his first read and most of the time that was Kirk or Engram and I think that will still be where the ball is designed to go most of the time.
But I still think his overall ranking is about on par and looking at ADP of last week in the format I mainly play I see Kirk is WR30, but out of the next 8 WR's drafted I'd probably take 5-6 of them over Kirk. So he's probably in the mid 30's range to me, like the upside of some others, but if you want a steady weekly PPR producer I think Kirk is a solid choice in that range.
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HippieJuice
Footballguy
He was #9 in scoring in my league in 2022. Thomas and Davis will just open it up for him underneath and he'll catch a ton of balls again and will get his share of TD's. I think he'll end up a top 24 WR.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Why won't they officially put him on INJURED RESERVE?
They're killing me for waivers today
Diggs has already been on injured reserve for 24 hours just for comparison here
They're killing me for waivers today
Diggs has already been on injured reserve for 24 hours just for comparison here
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Jags are incapable of doing anything correctly....
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
28 yrs old, started in AZ and was doing well, signed a pretty big deal to play with the Jax Jags
His QB play has been pretty bad most of his career despite working with No 1 picks in AZ and Jax
84/1100/8TD in 2022
-Wherever he lands, I anticipate he will be woefully undervalued as usual
He is a favorite WR3/4/Flex option of mine, integral part of my '22 FF Champ teams
Usually always good for 10-15+ in PPR, he would make an excellent 2nd or 3rd WR on a good passing team
I think he will be signed quickly
His QB play has been pretty bad most of his career despite working with No 1 picks in AZ and Jax
84/1100/8TD in 2022
-Wherever he lands, I anticipate he will be woefully undervalued as usual
He is a favorite WR3/4/Flex option of mine, integral part of my '22 FF Champ teams
Usually always good for 10-15+ in PPR, he would make an excellent 2nd or 3rd WR on a good passing team
I think he will be signed quickly
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
CKirk is the kind of late round WR I like to target at draft. Serviceable at his price with some upside.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Good NFL fit if he can stay healthy. Also allows HOU more opportunity to address IOL in the draft.
Same exact scenario as with Mixon.
I think this went about as well as good be expected for him. I debated taking him in some drafts I've done and ended up passing, kind of wish I had not now.
I was personally of the belief that WR wasn't as big a need as others thought (OL was way bigger in my eyes) but Kirk is a solid addition. If the offense gets a little more pass heavy, Kirk could still be a top 25 fantasy WR. He's a perfect complement to Nico, and they don't throw a ton to RB/TE.
ETA: Jags are sneaky candidate to take a WR in round 1-2.
Major
Footballguy
The Texans didn't have any real WR threats other than Nico. They were desperate with Dell out for 2025. Should follow this up with either WR in the 1/2 rounds or another decent FA.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree, smart move by the Texans.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Almost like they learned that giving up a 2 for such a role was too much.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Yeah, I agree and don't get it. They aren't desperate for the cap space. Maybe they've seen enough of both players and they want to cut bait before the full decline. But from a practical perspective, they have a ton of needs on the OL and the defense, so if they draft blue chip receivers, there are position needs that they aren't filling. And I'm not sure who on the free agent market is better than Kirk and Engram
MAC_32
Footballguy
New boss in town sees an expensive vet expiring at season's end that's not a part of the future amidst a team that's not ready to compete year 1.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I'll jump on the bandwagon too. Great for both Kirk and the Texans. Let's them really focus on fixing that OL now in the draft. I think they are short on picks this year as it is.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
100% this. They are all in on TLaw and want to give him the best chance to succeed. Kirk and Engram were both good players; but they legit cleared practically the entire front of house (new GM, new HC, new coordinators), so it makes sense they want to start with a clean slate in house too.
Lots of people ragging on Coen over being corny and awkward, but I remember the eye rolls and mocking of Dan Campbell and Mike McDaniel early on too. Considering what a dumpster fire Jags organization has been for quite a while now, hard for me not to be optimistic about any change there, let alone one this big. I'm also a TLaw truther so that colors my opinion for sure.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Don't forget about the awkwardness of Adam Gase...
Total guess on my part, but I bet they go after Godwin big time. He was wrecking shop out of the slot for Coen’s offense in Tampa before his injury. Use Thomas on the outside like they did Evans with Godwin out of the slot, would be a dangerous offense.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Haha weirdos can both succeed... AND fail. That is definitely true. Outside the weird Duval thing I've actually liked what I've heard from Coen for the most part. I'm glad he stood his ground on not wanting to go there with Baalke still in place. And honestly, I think the whole thing with TB was WAY overblown, mostly by salty TB fans. It was the standard "well, I never really liked you anyway!" response.
