Major
Footballguy
only two of them are legit threats
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WR Cooper Kupp, SEA (3 Viewers)
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only two of them are legit threats
Anarchy99
Footballguy
That's three more than the Patriots have.
Collins
Diggs
Kirk
Dell
Metchie
And now people saying they should go after Kupp?
EDT: I guess Diggs is gone, but Collins/Dell/Kirk/Kupp/Metchie seems like overkill.
According to OTC they got about $16m, $11M in effective cap space. They can create more, a lot more, but already dealing with some ugly future cap hits like Carr hitting the cap for about $70m.
Either way would be a sad way for Kupp to spend his final years playing out the string for that going nowhere team.
Major
Footballguy
Dell will be out 2025 and Metchie is a bust (likely to get cut or traded). They need productive WRs like they need good Offensive Linemen. Nico is injury prone as well so I'd hate to have Kirk as a #1. Will likely draft a WR in rounds 1-3 as well.
Diggs would be smart to re sign. Its a pretty good situation....... but I get the feeling he will chase the money.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Just sitting here waiting for Kupp to reunite with KOC and Wes Phillips in Minnesota.
brewer
Footballguy
I agree, but for the purposes of the Kupp thread, I think Houston could add a WR
It'd make a lot of sense, considering Addison is probably looking at a suspension to start the season, and is a bit of a knucklehead.
they need to add someone.
There is no doubt of that. whether they re sign Diggs or move on and sign/trade for someone else, they still need someone. Probably wouldnt hurt to draft someone either so they are not in this position again in a year or two.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Sounds like Jerry just woke up and realized it was free agency.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Talk about false advertising. When are they going to change the name from FREE agency to EXPENSIVE agency?
crushedspirit
Footballguy
At 31 and unable to stay healthy, asking for 15 mil/per will have a few teams saying no thanks. I can't say I blame them.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Is Seattle the most likely spot? Still would like him in Minnesota as a 3/2b if his numbers can come down a little.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Agreed. I think he signs for ~$8-10 AAV when the dust sets, with little (if any) guaranteed after year 1... Caveat being two desperate teams with cap get into a bidding war, of course.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
For that price it's worth the risk
LawFitz
Footballguy
Agreed. For at least a few teams, which is why I think he settles there.
Birdie048
Footballguy
While I agree that $15M is steep for his recent production but I believe he offers a significant mentoring role to a young WR room (NEP). This is something many teams needs and fail to provide for the young talent to develop properly
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Darnold gets his WR1. Looking better if he’s not washed.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Rapoport says “$15M or more”
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Revenge tour. Did not look as SEA as the best fit, but I am sure he will compete hard and contribute well when healthy.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
JSN says old my beer
efactor
Footballguy
Yeah. This isn't 2021 anymore
Kupp with a whopping 2 1000 yard seasons in his career. Granted 2021 was epic, but that day is long past
JohnnyU
Footballguy
This is good for JSN if Kupp doesn’t need early AARP.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m skeptical they’re done.
I feel like both Puka and JSN lost a little bit of value this offseason.
Adams is a WAY bigger threat than Kupp at downfield routes and has a long history (even a very recent one) of earning heavy targets.
JSN and Kupp overlap a bit, certainly a lot more than JSN and DK did. Darnold is arguably (likely in my eyes) a downgrade at QB, and losing Grubb could lead to a FAR less pass heavy offense. I am very curious (really kind of expecting) to see if JSN is used a lot more as a downfield target this season.
I think both the Rams and Seahawks passing games are gonna be 1A/1B situations. In a vacuum I slightly prefer the younger guys, but value wise, I'll almost certainly prefer the vets, who will go quite a bit later.
I also think there is a good chance Seattle isn't done at WR, and will draft either a WR with size, or with deep speed. The Rams I think sort of made that 3rd WR choice when they gave 10 million to Atwell.
Adams is a WAY bigger threat than Kupp at downfield routes and has a long history (even a very recent one) of earning heavy targets.
JSN and Kupp overlap a bit, certainly a lot more than JSN and DK did. Darnold is arguably (likely in my eyes) a downgrade at QB, and losing Grubb could lead to a FAR less pass heavy offense. I am very curious (really kind of expecting) to see if JSN is used a lot more as a downfield target this season.
I think both the Rams and Seahawks passing games are gonna be 1A/1B situations. In a vacuum I slightly prefer the younger guys, but value wise, I'll almost certainly prefer the vets, who will go quite a bit later.
I also think there is a good chance Seattle isn't done at WR, and will draft either a WR with size, or with deep speed. The Rams I think sort of made that 3rd WR choice when they gave 10 million to Atwell.
I feel like this Kupp signing contradicts every off-season decision Seattle has made so far.
As a Steeler fan I was not overly happy about the Metcalf trade, his 4/132 extension being part of it. But on Seattle's end all they got back was something slightly worse then pick 52(they had to kick in a pick 185 for 223 as well). Alternatively they could have retained DK for a year at $18M and franchise tagged him him in 2026 or let him walk for likely a 2027 third round comp pick. That's a fairly light return on their end.
They don't want to pay Geno $45m but for a third round pick will pay Darnold about $10'ish or so million less.
Trading DK and Geno to save a little money and get a second and a third at least goes hand in hand as a team trying to build more for the long term.
But then you got an get what looks like a pretty aggressive offer on a Kupp deal which may or may not be so bad in year one but I'm guessing when the contract details are all known they made a two year commitment to him That seems a little risky, and for much like a win now move.
The team has an absolutely crying need for interior OL help. They've done next to nothing to address that despite admitting it was a massive problem. They've been involved in some talks but got outbid, you could say they showed financial restraint but when it came to Kupp they went aggressive.
Now they got a lot of picks. Problem is the interior OL in this draft is weak and thin. Just looking at Brugler's top 100 as a reference point you got two C's who made his top 100 at 38,83 and only 4 guards at players 18, 52, 66 and 69. That's not a whole lot of to pick over when you are competing against 31 other teams.
Individually I don't really hate any one single move they made. It all just feels disjointed and not in sync. Part looking for the future, part not. Part being financially prudent, part not, all while almost ignoring the biggest need on the team.
As a Steeler fan I was not overly happy about the Metcalf trade, his 4/132 extension being part of it. But on Seattle's end all they got back was something slightly worse then pick 52(they had to kick in a pick 185 for 223 as well). Alternatively they could have retained DK for a year at $18M and franchise tagged him him in 2026 or let him walk for likely a 2027 third round comp pick. That's a fairly light return on their end.
They don't want to pay Geno $45m but for a third round pick will pay Darnold about $10'ish or so million less.
Trading DK and Geno to save a little money and get a second and a third at least goes hand in hand as a team trying to build more for the long term.
But then you got an get what looks like a pretty aggressive offer on a Kupp deal which may or may not be so bad in year one but I'm guessing when the contract details are all known they made a two year commitment to him That seems a little risky, and for much like a win now move.
The team has an absolutely crying need for interior OL help. They've done next to nothing to address that despite admitting it was a massive problem. They've been involved in some talks but got outbid, you could say they showed financial restraint but when it came to Kupp they went aggressive.
Now they got a lot of picks. Problem is the interior OL in this draft is weak and thin. Just looking at Brugler's top 100 as a reference point you got two C's who made his top 100 at 38,83 and only 4 guards at players 18, 52, 66 and 69. That's not a whole lot of to pick over when you are competing against 31 other teams.
Individually I don't really hate any one single move they made. It all just feels disjointed and not in sync. Part looking for the future, part not. Part being financially prudent, part not, all while almost ignoring the biggest need on the team.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
JSN started his explosion when the OC woke up and figured out that he has an expansive route tree beyond 10 yards.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
3/45, he convinced them he can still play.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well, he was pretty disgruntled, seemed to make it clear he wasn’t going to play for $18M, and said he wanted out regardless.
He also had a not insignificant number of if mental lapses last year, from easy drops to giving up on routes, to getting frequently baited by opposing DBs. I can remember at least 2 instances he drew a foul and had to be restrained by teammates - and I only watched a handful of Seahawks games.
He’s long been rumored to have maturity issues and it seems like the goal was to move him on and not pay him $30M a year.
Sometimes the “talent to headache” ratio comes into play for teams. I don’t know any of this for sure but smoke ~> fire and all that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Reportedly they’re having Tevin Jenkins in for a visit. That seems like a good start.
I agree with the idea that individually you can say each move makes sense but why are they leaving holes. Maybe there are some FA moves to come still.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The cap is gonna go way up in 2029 when the TV deals are renegotiated. If this contract is structured so that some/much of the money comes due then, that's why.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Examples of this have shown their true colors too often:
Antonio Brown
Terrell Owens
Tyreek Hill
Ray Rice
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
From Bill Barnwell:
Was the Bears best OL, and better than the guy (Jackson) they replaced him with. Just has trouble staying healthy.
I'm also curious about why people think 15 million is some big contract. Its barely more than Darius Slayton or Gabe Davis, guys Kupp is still light years ahead of.
fatness
Footballguy
I'm not sure Kupp was entirely to blame for his sudden production drop. The Rams seemed they started using him differently. I don't follow them but the times they were on TV last year I kept thinking "why aren't they throwing to Kupp more?", and when they did throw it to him it was mostly close to the line of scrimmage.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He was wide open on many, many plays - they literally froze him out of the offense.
It was super weird. I was facing the Kupp shareholder in my 16 team league in a very close game & it was like he wasn’t even on the field
I agree. Kupp isn't washed at all.
So you are comparing it to a bad contract and an as yet TBD contract and wondering why people question if it is was a good contract to hand out?
