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WR Courtland Sutton, DEN (1 Viewer)
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That’s crazy to think about
It has already been discussed in the "rest of rankings" thread that it cannot be trusted.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
Worth a raise?!
Yeah.... I just dont see it above Olave, evans,metcalf and kirk. Ayuk is having a good year but certainly can fads. Pittmans qb seems like they have fell in love with another wr so I could see that. Toney is already injured (making the assumption that this time its a real injury and not a ploy to get payed not to play. To be in this company Russ will have to realize sutton is their best wr n sutton will have to start finding the end zone.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Think he hurt his hammy but he's been trending way down unfortunately. Droppable
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
23 snaps (4 more than Jeudy), 1 target
fatness
Footballguy
This is awkwardly worded.
dmac37
Footballguy
Because of game script and Jag starters likely to sit at some point in the game, I really want to start Sutton over Zay but not sure I can pull the trigger.
he will definitely get targets with Dilcich out, but it’s clear Jeudy is their top WR and Wilson’s favorite target. Sutton has had major issues getting separation this year
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Thoughts on Sutton moving forward? Does Payton help him blow up?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The big todo has always been Sutton vs Jeudy. I've been on the side of Jeudy from the beginning, but Sutton has his cult following. Sutton will be 28 in October, so at what point can we say if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, then by God it's a duck?
massraider
Footballguy
Why would this guy be getting shopped? Sutton posted something on Twitter about going where he's appreciated. Something going on...
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Reasonably cheap and talented. Not working out in Denver. I drafted him as a rookie and will probably hold him until the bitter end unless there's a real opportunity to cash out. It's not working out so I wouldn't mind a change of scenery just to see if it sparks something that's more fantasy relevant than what we've seen. As of last year, I'm off the Courtland Sutton is a victim of his circumstances narrative. The offenses that he's on haven't worked and he shares in some of the blame at this point.
None of this is to say that I think he sucks. I just think he would have been a bigger part of the solution if he was going to reach anything close to what I was hoping for.
None of this is to say that I think he sucks. I just think he would have been a bigger part of the solution if he was going to reach anything close to what I was hoping for.
Jeudy is going into year 4 and seemed to have a better connection with Wilson. If they are shopping Sutton, my gut would say they plan on extending Jeudy.
Sutton has never really been the same since his ACL tear. He's a capable #2 WR, but he's also not really a Sean Payton type WR.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Time to give up Sutton fans - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sEurbOS_VP4
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Loved that video. Deep analysis…..
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, that will be said right into his 30s
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Factual statistics
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Brilliant analysis.
Who were his coaches again (AWFUL)? Do injuries matter? How about his QBs?
Decent dramatic music, though, dork.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He will be 28 early into the season, so how much longer can Sutton owners wait?
rockaction
Footballguy
If you haven't broken out in five years, you have about zero percent chance of breaking out after.
It's like less than or around 1% of guys who haven't cracked WR3 in PPG do so after not having done so in five.
rockaction
Footballguy
The analysis is just fine if you know what you're looking for. I sold Sutton for a second. Happy with it.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Two different topics. Dynasty, which doesn't concern me, or now. I think he can do it now.
rockaction
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then darn it, it’s a duck.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
I just said it's about now, did I not? We'll know soon enough. It's not a big deal.
And don't tell me "you do have a mouth on you!" I saw your edit. That is oh-so rich, coming from you, calling anyone out here with a "mouth on them".
And also coming from someone that routinely reports people like this is grade school. Hypocrisy. Up all night again? Ornery on the come-down?
rockaction
Footballguy
Em, when you stop ruining the horse thread and taking various aliases, I'll shut up.
You obviously don't know much about redraft if you're commenting that the analysis the guy gave is irrelevant. It was damn relevant. For immediate use.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Now THIS would be much closer to great analysis (if the numbers were verified) — but regardless, this is probably in the ballpark of what the video hinted at. Except…..he didn’t say all of that. He gave a half hearted, lazy defense of his perspective.
So my issue wasn’t with the underlying message. It was the laziness and incompleteness of the video. (And no, I’m not a Courtland Sutton fan, but he might be WR6 on one of my teams)
rockaction
Footballguy
Very fair, but the dude is on TikTok. We can't forget the importance of brevity within the format.
But your point is certainly taken. He should have said that. Some rando on a message board shouldn't have to clean up his perfect poop and explain why the toilet paper is clean.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is by age, not by year. Sutton is twenty-eight.
www.thefantasyfootballers.com
See the table entitled "Wide Receiver Breakouts By Age" about half of the way down the page.
Look at the age of twenty-eight. Breakout receiver is defined as top 24. I cannot immediately find numbers for Top 36, but this is pretty stark.
You can also check Peter Howard's Patreon Stats for stuff like this. It's a buck a month. He had free stats, but I think they're gone for the most part now.
Anticipating the Breakout: Wide Receiver Trends & Breakout Candidates (Fantasy Football)
Identifying that next breakout player before the rest of your league mates can truly give you an edge in your fantasy leagues.
www.thefantasyfootballers.com
See the table entitled "Wide Receiver Breakouts By Age" about half of the way down the page.
Look at the age of twenty-eight. Breakout receiver is defined as top 24. I cannot immediately find numbers for Top 36, but this is pretty stark.
You can also check Peter Howard's Patreon Stats for stuff like this. It's a buck a month. He had free stats, but I think they're gone for the most part now.
rockaction
Footballguy
Well, Em, this is personal. No, I'm fine. Listening to Icona Pop's "I Don't Care" while you spread your malfeasance all over these boards.
MTskibum
Footballguy
This is by age, not by year. Sutton is twenty-eight.
Anticipating the Breakout: Wide Receiver Trends & Breakout Candidates (Fantasy Football)
Identifying that next breakout player before the rest of your league mates can truly give you an edge in your fantasy leagues.
See the table entitled "Wide Receiver Breakouts By Age" about half of the way down the page.
Look at the age of twenty-eight. Breakout receiver is defined as top 24. I cannot immediately find numbers for Top 36, but this is pretty stark.
You can also check Peter Howard's Patreon Stats for stuff like this. It's a buck a month. He had free stats, but I think they're gone for the most part now.
Not that I am all that high on Sutton anymore, but I do not get this breakout argument by age. He already has had a top 24 season before tearing his ACL.
Can players have 2 breakout seasons?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
The message board rando definitely isn’t required to clean up his poop. But the rando chose to post the link - at that point he’s decided it reflects his views.
TikTok sucks. I don’t hate it — strong word — but it’s truly awful.
rockaction
Footballguy
Okay, that guy was misleading a bit. I think he's saying PPG Top Forty Overall. Sutton indeed finished WR2 in PPG one year. Seventeenth.
I retract my priors about Sutton, then. If he has indeed had a top twenty-four finish, then you're hoping for a re-establishment of dominance. Sort of like what Chark GMs -- myself included -- are hoping for with him.
I doubt it, but it's not as dire as the guy made it seem.
rockaction
Footballguy
I meant me being the rando. The video wasn't very explanatory. And I don't think he had his facts correct. That guy, I've noticed, isn't very good over at DLF. I've noticed it before and wonder why I was defending him. Probably more to come to JohnnyU's aid and I thought that if the facts were right that the guy had a legit point.
He doesn't.
MTskibum
Footballguy
I am hoping for (but not expecting) an allen robinson like career trajectory. Arob broke out in his second season, tore his acl and then took 4 seasons before he was fantasy relevant again. This is Sutton's 4th season after an ACL tear.
Arob was probably more talented though.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Got it. Sorry for the confusion.
I don’t think his general concept is far off still. If Sutton can’t produce in Payton’s offense with a solid QB, then he’s basically done.
