WR Courtland Sutton, DEN (1 Viewer)

[Interseptopus]

Anthony Miller is the best WR in this class

I think you are likely right on that. I think James Washington has a good shot as well, but he has a more long term path to that title. Once Sutton makes a few plays I think he gets himself into that conversation too. I own all 3 so I'm good with whatever. 

 

[Ilov80s]

When you are drafting long term RB2/3 talent over long term WR1 talent I think that's a mistake. Yes, scarcity is key, and RB's do not last as long as WRs, but some of these guys have stud-like talent. Corey Davis went 1.1 in most drafts last year, and there's a reason for it. Sutton has that potential IMO. 

I think we see a reversal for next year's rookie drafts once these rookie WRs perform quite well. There are a lot of rookie WRs in great situations and very talented in this draft: Sutton, Gallup, Miller, Moore, even James Washington is likely to surprise (I think he's potentially better than JuJu). Not to mention next year there is an even more talented WR crop, and limited RBs. I certainly hope I'm wrong and this trend continues, because I'd love to grab 2-3 WRs in next year's draft with my plethora of picks and be absolutely loaded at WR in 2-3 years.

I think it needs to be tier based to a degree. I am not saying draft Jordan Wilkins over Courtland Sutton. However, when looking at similar tiers, I think the RBs give you a quicker return. It is far more likely for a WR prospect to lose value, develop slowly than a RB. Typically a RB either hits in year 1-2 or never does. There are lots of WRs that can be had pretty cheap in after a year or  in the league who develop into solid startable assets. Look at last year: Woods, Thielen, Marvin, Adams, Baldwin, Funchess, Agoholor etc. These were all WRs who at certain points in their career were cheap to borderline free and are now guys that can be started on a championship team. It is a lot tougher to find those guys at RB. I see Murray, McKinnon (both needed injury midseason to get that chance), Lynch (odd because he retired), Alex Collins, Gore. 

Also, I am not sure we are always that great at determining real upside. How many thought Kamara and Hunt and Howard had RB1 potential? How many thought Treadwell was the best WR in the class? 

 

[matuski]

Sure. However like many I think this RB class is pretty darn good and would have trouble passing on 4-5 RBs for Sutton. I can see that the path is good with aging WRs ahead of him however I don't think that he is a sure thing by any means. 

Ah, I thought the doubt was his ascension, carry on!

 

[Interseptopus]

I think it needs to be tier based to a degree. I am not saying draft Jordan Wilkins over Courtland Sutton. However, when looking at similar tiers, I think the RBs give you a quicker return. It is far more likely for a WR prospect to lose value, develop slowly than a RB. Typically a RB either hits in year 1-2 or never does. There are lots of WRs that can be had pretty cheap in after a year or  in the league who develop into solid startable assets. Look at last year: Woods, Thielen, Marvin, Adams, Baldwin, Funchess, Agoholor etc. These were all WRs who at certain points in their career were cheap to borderline free and are now guys that can be started on a championship team. It is a lot tougher to find those guys at RB. I see Murray, McKinnon (both needed injury midseason to get that chance), Lynch (odd because he retired), Alex Collins, Gore. 

True, but I think it's easier to flip Hopkins away for a solid RB than it is to flip a RB for a WR. WR's have such a greater longevity I think that works in favor for trades and so forth. 

You are correct, a RB either hits quickly or never does. I guess I look at 2018 by itself and I see RBs being drastically over-valued more than they should. I honestly see people passing over Hopkins-like potential in some of these WRs in favor of Abduallah-like potential; I see 2 or 3 stud WRs in this class, and only 2-3 stud RBs. But for some reason the 7th RB is going over the 1st WR. 

 

[tangfoot]

Corey Davis went 1.1 in most drafts last year

Bull ####### ####

 

[Interseptopus]

Bull ####### ####

Ok. Many. I need to remember where I'm posting. He went 1.1 in 1 draft I witnessed but did not participate in, 1.2 in a 2nd, and 1.1. in a 3rd league that I almost joined this year. 

 

[JohnnyU]

I think it needs to be tier based to a degree. I am not saying draft Jordan Wilkins over Courtland Sutton. However, when looking at similar tiers, I think the RBs give you a quicker return. It is far more likely for a WR prospect to lose value, develop slowly than a RB. Typically a RB either hits in year 1-2 or never does. There are lots of WRs that can be had pretty cheap in after a year or  in the league who develop into solid startable assets. Look at last year: Woods, Thielen, Marvin, Adams, Baldwin, Funchess, Agoholor etc. These were all WRs who at certain points in their career were cheap to borderline free and are now guys that can be started on a championship team. It is a lot tougher to find those guys at RB. I see Murray, McKinnon (both needed injury midseason to get that chance), Lynch (odd because he retired), Alex Collins, Gore. 

Also, I am not sure we are always that great at determining real upside. How many thought Kamara and Hunt and Howard had RB1 potential? How many thought Treadwell was the best WR in the class? 

I distinctly remember not liking Treadwell when he was drafted.  Easy warning at the time.

 

[Interseptopus]

I distinctly remember not liking Treadwell when he was drafted.  Easy warning at the time.

I laughed when MIN picked him. Just as I did when Seattle selected Penny

 

[JohnnyU]

I laughed when MIN picked him. Just as I did when Seattle selected Penny

I actually own him as a throw in on a trade.  Makes me feel dirty.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Besdies scarcity, the biggest reason to go RB over WR in dynasty drafts seems to be the rate of return. RBs that hit tend to hit right away. We have seen with WRs that 2014 aside, it usually is a slower progression to fantasy value. I feel like dynasty WRs tend to lose value from year 0 to 1 where RBs tend to gain value. 

But if you’re playing in a dynasty league you ought to be balancing career longevity with your assessment, and WRs can have significantly longer useful careers than RBs on average.

 

[Football Jones]

Yeah I'm def not with the majority on this one. Which RB do you love ahead of Sutton?

Sutton is 6'3 220 pounds and he ran a 6.57 second 3 cone. It seems to good to be true. All his other numbers are good/great. He's big/fast/strong and his tape looks good. Now he's practicing, as a rookie, against maybe the best secondary in football, and doing well. 

He projects as a #1 WR and I think he will be just that in the next couple of years. If I couldn't trade the pick I'd take him at 1.02. Call me crazy I guess. 

Yep. What's fascinating is around this time last year Sutton was thought to be an elite prospect by most. Fast forward to this spring & all of a sudden his talent is being questioned by many. Really strange, especially after the numbers Sutton put up at the Combine.

The craziest thing in my opinion was all the big-8 RBs going ahead of him in a lot of rookie drafts. What a bargain in the mid-to-late 1st. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

 There is no way Penny, RoJo, Kerryon should be going over Sutton. We could debate Michel and Chubb to some degree. Regardless, Sutton should be a top 5, maybe even top 3 rookie pick. 

I'm not sure that you can speak in such an absolute manner on that. Penny, Jones, Chubb and Michel were all taken before Sutton in the actual NFL draft for one thing.

Also neither Waldman nor Bloom think Sutton will be a good NFL WR because of deficiencies in his game. I'm not saying they are right, but it's not like Sutton is some slam dunk stud.

I don't see it as a crime that Sutton went behind all of those guys in rookie drafts - there's a lot of logic in it actually (most of which has been discussed already). If you love Sutton, all the better for you that this is (on paper at least) such a strong overall draft class in Round 1.  

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm not sure that you can speak in such an absolute manner on that. Penny, Jones, Chubb and Michel were all taken before Sutton in the actual NFL draft for one thing.

Also neither Waldman nor Bloom think Sutton will be a good NFL WR because of deficiencies in his game. I'm not saying they are right, but it's not like Sutton is some slam dunk stud.

I don't see it as a crime that Sutton went behind all of those guys in rookie drafts - there's a lot of logic in it actually (most of which has been discussed already). If you love Sutton, all the better for you that this is (on paper at least) such a strong overall draft class in Round 1.  

I'm more surprised no WR went before those RBs. 

To go off your first sentence, both Moore and Ridley went before every RB not named Saquon Barkley in the NFL draft. So draft position doesn't necessarily dictate order in a rookie draft, nor should it. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm more surprised no WR went before those RBs. 

To go off your first sentence, both Moore and Ridley went before every RB not named Saquon Barkley in the NFL draft. So draft position doesn't necessarily dictate order in a rookie draft, nor should it. 

I agree that draft order does not dictate rookie draft order, sure, but it shouldn't be surprising at all that RBs taken prior to a WR in the NFL draft also go before that WR in a rookie draft.

And in all four of my leagues Moore and Ridley went before Kerryon Johnson (in one of them Sutton did as well). Also in one of them Moore, Kirk and Ridley both went before Freeman and Johnson. 

 

[Interseptopus]

I agree that draft order does not dictate rookie draft order, sure, but it shouldn't be surprising at all that RBs taken prior to a WR in the NFL draft also go before that WR in a rookie draft.

And in all four of my leagues Moore and Ridley went before Kerryon Johnson (in one of them Sutton did as well). Also in one of them Moore, Kirk and Ridley both went before Freeman and Johnson. 

That makes more sense to me. My two leagues so far were all RBs 1-7 until Moore at 8, then Johnson at 9. The only difference was which RBs went 1-7

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

I was lazy in my rookie studying this offseason by focusing mainly on RBs. However, I did nab Sutton at 1.12 (16 team) in one rookie draft. This thread has me excited. 

 

[RushHour]

Yeah I'm def not with the majority on this one. Which RB do you love ahead of Sutton?

Sutton is 6'3 220 pounds and he ran a 6.57 second 3 cone. It seems to good to be true. All his other numbers are good/great. He's big/fast/strong and his tape looks good. Now he's practicing, as a rookie, against maybe the best secondary in football, and doing well. 

He projects as a #1 WR and I think he will be just that in the next couple of years. If I couldn't trade the pick I'd take him at 1.02. Call me crazy I guess. 

I guess I’m this kind of crazy too. I was looking at trading up before our rookie draft to 1.02 to make sure I got him. This is before the actual NFL draft and we knew landing spots. It soon became apparent that I didn’t need to and I just took him at 1.07. I did need a RB but only RoJo and Kerryon were left and I don’t think much of either. I’m a big believer in taking the best player and working it out later. I’m kind of astonished at how high all these RBs have gone this year in drafts and to me it represents the kind of reactionary, short-term approach that seems to prevail in dynasty these days. 

Now I say all this because Sutton to me was the only true NFL #1 WR prospect in the draft. Of course I may be too high on him but I just can’t see some of the RBs as better dynasty assets.

 

[Buffaloes]

Just a few quick notes:

Sounds like Sutton has been uncoverable in rz drills, especially on 50/50 jump balls. 

Sutton and Hamilton have been highly impressive. Denver has had young, high draft pick wr in camp recently in Latimer and Carlos Henderson and neither had received the consistent high marks as both Sutton and Hamilton have all off-season. From coaches, players and media. 

Although Hamilton projects as the slot wr, Denver is working on moving dt and Sanders into the slot more than in the past presumably in an effort to get Sutton on the field more

It is doubtful that both Dt and Sanders are on the rooster in a year due to salary cap. My guess is dt sticks at a modified rate which would leave a future wr corps of dt, sutton, hamilton

Elway has stated that Denver had a 1st round grade on sutton

 

[BigTex]

6'3 220 pounds with a 6.57 three cone.........that really is insane. With that short area quickness and size he could be a monster. He needs to clean his routes up but all the stories I'm hearing is he's an eager rookie that doesn't mind carrying the other vets helmets. 

Thomas and Sanders are already hinting that they know their time is up in Denver soon. 

Why didn’t it translate on the field?

Tex

 

[Bronco Billy]

Why didn’t it translate on the field?

Tex

What are you talking about?

 

[BigTex]

What are you talking about?

His game vs his perceived quickness.

Tex

 

[Bronco Billy]

His game vs his perceived quickness.

Tex

What makes you think it didn’t?

 

[BigTex]

What makes you think it didn’t?

I went to 3 of SMU’s games.......he’s not that good my friend. I’d take Quinn before Sutton. Sutton blew up against poor little UNT (I was at this game). He score most of his TDs and yds in 3 games and totally disappeared in all his other games. He can’t play when jammed at the line of scrimmage. SELL, SELL, SELL, SELL and thank me later. He played in the American conference and barely reached 1,000 yds so I’m trying to see how he’s going to achieve that feat against NFL talented cornerbacks. I want to see it so badly but I simply don’t. I watched him struggle in games like TCU, Arkansas St, Memphis and a few others. IIRC all or most of his yards came from 3 or 4 games, the other games he was completely shut down. So I’m trying to see what you guys see and I can’t.

Tex

 

[Bronco Billy]

I went to 3 of SMU’s games.......he’s not that good my friend. I’d take Quinn before Sutton. Sutton blew up against poor little UNT (I was at this game). He score most of his TDs and yds in 3 games and totally disappeared in all his other games. He can’t play when jammed at the line of scrimmage. SELL, SELL, SELL, SELL and thank me later. He played in the American conference and barely reached 1,000 yds so I’m trying to see how he’s going to achieve that feat against NFL talented cornerbacks. I want to see it so badly but I simply don’t. I watched him struggle in games like TCU, Arkansas St, Memphis and a few others. IIRC all or most of his yards came from 3 or 4 games, the other games he was completely shut down. So I’m trying to see what you guys see and I can’t.

Tex

Okay...

So you saw the double teams he went up against, right?  Statistically he was the most double teamed WR in this draft.  That’s why Quin succeeded.  Sutton either drew direct double teams or the D shaded toward him in an effort to take him away all year - and he still hit 1000+ yds receiving.

But that was college.  So far in Denver he is continuing the traits that made him so tough in college.  More than 1 of the DBs there have said he is uncoverable at times.  He makes circus catches look routine.  But despite that he’s remaining hungry to learn and humble.

Maybe he’ll just fall apart soon and turn into the crappy WR that you seem to think he is.  But right now your assessment looks to be diametrically wrong.

 

[BigTex]

Okay...

So you saw the double teams he went up against, right?  Statistically he was the most double teamed WR in this draft.  That’s why Quin succeeded.  Sutton either drew direct double teams or the D shaded toward him in an effort to take him away all year - and he still hit 1000+ yds receiving.

But that was college.  So far in Denver he is continuing the traits that made him so tough in college.  More than 1 of the DBs there have said he is uncoverable at times.  He makes circus catches look routine.  But despite that he’s remaining hungry to learn and humble.

Maybe he’ll just fall apart soon and turn into the crappy WR that you seem to think he is.  But right now your assessment looks to be diametrically wrong.

Lol, come on man! Lmao!

I can name 10 WR who were double teamed in better Conferences. For the record he wasn’t always double teamed. I live in DFW and I’ve personally been to these games and he’s simply not good. He’s still living off Highschool hype.

He will tease you every now and then with a catch or two but Sutton has never been good.....EVER at SMU. 

Here’s a question, how many WRs coming out of college (production wise) who were not even ranked in the top 50 in their own position went on to be good NFL starters?

Serious question......

Tex

 

[BigTex]

Now remember, he played in the American Conference. There’s no way I’m passing on 2017 Offensive SEC Player of the Year for a mediocre WR who score 4 TDs against UNT.....LMAO.....He’s like Al Bundy but not as funny.

Tex

 

[RushHour]

Now remember, he played in the American Conference. There’s no way I’m passing on 2017 Offensive SEC Player of the Year for a mediocre WR who score 4 TDs against UNT.....LMAO.....He’s like Al Bundy but not as funny.

Tex

 

[Elevencents]

Been a while since I saw two very strong opinions on opposing sides! Hoping Tex is on the losing side cuz I was looking forward to snagging him late, lol. Oh well, will try and grab him and Hamilton and hope one pans out

 

[BigTex]

Been a while since I saw two very strong opinions on opposing sides! Hoping Tex is on the losing side cuz I was looking forward to snagging him late, lol. Oh well, will try and grab him and Hamilton and hope one pans out

SELL, SELL, SELL!!!! He’s not that good! Before his value sinks like the Titanic hop on another ship before it’s too late.

I mean think about it.....what age did breakout? Against what competition did he breakout? What was his target share? In what category did he lead in? Like there’s virtually nothing substantial that you can actually hang your hat on other than hype from highschool. Maybe he’s one and a gazillian but I put “ZERO” stock in him! He’s not in my top 25! I can make a case for 9 running backs, 13 WRs and 4 TEs before I’d consider him based off of what data we have today.

Tex

 

[BigTex]

I’m dead ### serious I’d draft Al if I had a choice between the two today! I’m in Texas and we have some really good conferences but he plays in maybe the 3rd or 4th best conference and was consistent shut down until he played against a different conference which was/is considered lower and simply padded his numbers against that competition. Don’t believe the hype. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF MY FRIENDS, RESEARCH FOR YOURSELVES. THATS ALL I ASK! Look deeper on this one! Forget what you’ve been told and just look!

Tex

 

[Ray Barboni]

I think Tex might’ve gotten dumped by Courtland Sutton ...

I see him as a Brandon Marshall type. Gonna be a highly regarded WR at times in his career - but ultimately be in consistent and frustrating 

 

[Interseptopus]

I dont understand the Treadwell comparisons/mentions. Sutton is nothing like Treadwell

 

[Ray Barboni]

I dont understand the Treadwell comparisons/mentions. Sutton is nothing like Treadwell

LQ has been showing up in training camp lately though ...

Still think he’s gotta chance. Think Landry with red zone opportunity 

 

[Bronco Billy]

At the risk of Tex calling this a complete lie because he knows so much better:

50/50 balls? Courtland Sutton could make 80/20 the new norm





by Chad Jensen





17 hours ago





When the Denver Broncos pulled the trigger on SMU wideout Courtland Sutton in the second round of the draft, the pick was met with some apprehension in the fanbase. Denver’s track record at drafting wideouts, especially high, hasn’t been good over the last seven years. 





However, Sutton is already proving that he’s more than just ‘sizzle’. His game’s got some ‘steak’ to it. 





Measuring in at 6-foot-3, 218 pounds, Sutton has the prototypical size of an ‘X’ receiver. But not all big-bodied receivers are created equal. Not all of them instinctively know how to user their size as a tool to win. 





Sutton cleary does. Throughout OTAs he made eye-popping catches in jump-ball scenarios. And with four training camp practices under his belt, he’s managed to translate that spring momentum into the summer. 





No matter which quarterback is throwing him the ball, and no matter how strongly the pass is contested, Sutton finds a way to come down with it. We’ve all heard the term ‘50/50 balls', but Sutton’s catch radius is so wide, and his hands so strong that he might push that ratio significantly higher. Could Sutton make 80/20 the norm? 





“It could be. He’s a big body with great ball skills,” Head Coach Vance Joseph said after Tuesday’s practice. “He has strong hands, so even when the ball is contested, he can win. Obviously, you see what he can do. Hopefully he’s over 50 percent, that’s going to be huge for us, especially in the red zone.”





I was curious to see if Sutton's physical domination would continue when the pads went on. But Tuesday's padded session was no different than the first three training camp practices for him. 





Sutton made a phenomenal catch to end Broncos practice on Tuesday. In the live-game scenario, the Broncos offense was on the 18-yard line, down five points with four seconds to go. Case Keenum heaved up a jump ball to Sutton, and wouldn’t you know….he came down with it in the endzone to ‘win’ the game.





Sutton has been competing with fellow 2018 draft pick DaeSean Hamilton (fifth round). While both have earned praise from their coaches and teammates, Sutton is the one drawing everyone’s attention with big play after big play. 





“I really like those guys,” cornerback Bradley Roby said on Tuesday. “At first it was like ‘Who are these guys?’ I didn’t really watch college football that much, but on that field they’re beasts. Especially ‘14’, Courtland, he’s getting up, snagging on guys every day. He’s a big guy, solid hands.”





Before camp started, I figured that the biggest impact Sutton could make as a rookie would be in the red zone. While I stand by that projection (his camp performance has clearly reinforced it), I now believe he’ll be more than that. 





Sutton isn’t just making the occasional big play. He’s doing it consistently — multiple times per day. Guys with undeniable talent and ability like that will never be kept on ice long by the coaches. 





The Broncos will give Sutton a healthy dose of snaps, including between the 20’s, and Case Keenum will find a way to feed him the ball. This kid has the early makings of a true star wideout in the NFL.





It's not outside the realm of possibility that Sutton could eclipse the great — but aging — Demaryius Thomas as Denver's No. 1 receiver by season's end.

 

[BigTex]

Lol good luck Billy. Let’s see what he does when the lights come on and he’s getting jammed at the line of scrimmage. Not making catches in practice Hell we watched him make those same catches in practice at SMU. He’s be a good teaser and people are once again reaching for a player who achieved nothing at the college level that’s simply remarkable to me.

Hell I can be 100% completely wrong about his NFL future, he maybe a late bloomer but he’ll be the 1st in NFL history to do so. 

What I do know for a fact, he was not good in college and that’s a FACT!

Good luck,

you take Sutton and I’ll take the 2017 offensive player of the year whom has been deemed overrated or ranked (I’m to lazy this morning to go back and actually look lol)

Tex

Again, good luck.

 

[BigTex]

By the way, it’s ok ok to disagree that’s why we’re on this forum. I’m going to give my opinion especially when I watched a player closely for different reasons.

But your first sentence is unnecessary and it shows a level of maturity that posters on the board take when someone disagree and actually bring out FACTS that they disagree with.

i won’t stoop to that level. I’ll just keep calling you friend like I did in my earlier post.

Tex

 

[lod001]

Considering Sutton at 12 if he makes it there. Other options are Kirk, Miller and Cain although I think Miller and Kirk may get picked right in front of me. I think Cain can fall to my next pick.

 

[Interseptopus]

Considering Sutton at 12 if he makes it there. Other options are Kirk, Miller and Cain although I think Miller and Kirk may get picked right in front of me. I think Cain can fall to my next pick.

I'd seriously consider Miller

Cain is making it into round 1?? Yikes... 

 

[lod001]

I'd seriously consider Miller

Cain is making it into round 1?? Yikes... 

Definitely considering Miller but I think he goes to the guy that is a Bears fan a few picks before mine. Then Kirk 2 picks before me.

Very doubtful on Cain. Like 1% to the Andrew Luck owner. The guy has been making noise over there and there's not much competition.

 

[JohnnyU]

Definitely considering Miller but I think he goes to the guy that is a Bears fan a few picks before mine. Then Kirk 2 picks before me.

Very doubtful on Cain. Like 1% to the Andrew Luck owner. The guy has been making noise over there and there's not much competition.

Cain was drafted in rookie drafts as follows in a few of my leagues:

3.08, 3.05, 3.12, 3.08, 3.06

 

[Interseptopus]

Cain was drafted in rookie drafts as follows in a few of my leagues:

3.08, 3.05, 3.12, 3.08, 3.06

3.1 in mine

 

[lod001]

Cain was drafted in rookie drafts as follows in a few of my leagues:

3.08, 3.05, 3.12, 3.08, 3.06

I think he goes in the 2nd in our draft. We have 14 teams. I was considering Fountain but Cain is really standing out in camp.

If I don't take Sutton at 12, I don't get him an I really like is highlight videos.

 

[Interseptopus]

I think he goes in the 2nd in our draft. We have 14 teams. I was considering Fountain but Cain is really standing out in camp.

If I don't take Sutton at 12, I don't get him an I really like is highlight videos.

While I passed on Miller to take Sutton at 1.11, I would go in this order:
Miller, Sutton, Gallup, Kirk, Washington. I wouldn't even have Fountain or Cain on my list round round 1. Late mid to round 2 in a 14 teamer, sure. J'Mon Moore is going to be your steal round 2/early 3 in a 14 teamer

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Cain was drafted in rookie drafts as follows in a few of my leagues:

3.08, 3.05, 3.12, 3.08, 3.06

Same for me basically but he has gotten a lot of buzz since then. I think in drafts that take place now he should slip into the second,

 

[lod001]

 just can't get enough of the guy's highlight reels. This is going to sound ridiculous but I see a mini Calvin Johnson minus the 4.35 speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrt3zGDy0fg

 

[Interseptopus]

 just can't get enough of the guy's highlight reels. This is going to sound ridiculous but I see a mini Calvin Johnson minus the 4.35 speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrt3zGDy0fg

1:04   Just took off after he faked out the DB

Many of those highlights show one of 2 things that I love to see:
1. The guy goes up and wins on contested passes
2. He positions himself extremely well between the ball and defender 

6:24... That is pretty awesome, great toss

 

[Hankmoody]

By the way, it’s ok ok to disagree that’s why we’re on this forum. I’m going to give my opinion especially when I watched a player closely for different reasons.

But your first sentence is unnecessary and it shows a level of maturity that posters on the board take when someone disagree and actually bring out FACTS that they disagree with.

i won’t stoop to that level. I’ll just keep calling you friend like I did in my earlier post.

Tex

You haven't cited facts.  You've cited your opinion that he isn't good.  You're welcome to that or course, but you're pretty overboard on sharing it.  BB isn't the only one that doesn't agree with it, myself included.

 

[BigTex]

You haven't cited facts.  You've cited your opinion that he isn't good.  You're welcome to that or course, but you're pretty overboard on sharing it.  BB isn't the only one that doesn't agree with it, myself included.

I know, I’m in a thread dedicated to a guy who is being over drafted. Clearly I’m the minority.

Please understand that I’m a COMPLETE DALLAS HOMER to the CORE!!!!

SMU, TCU, TWU, Cowboys, Rangers, Mavericks, etc.... they play in North Texas (DFW) I’m on board but I’m not blind either. For a quick example, two years ago I drafted Wentz instead of Dak enough I’m a homer and had them ranked really close. I just believe in the long run Wentz was the better QB even though Dak who I had ranked went to my favorite NFL team.

My point, I went to SMU games because I wanted to see the hype in person after all I support majority of Dallas teams and I don’t see it.

Fact: He did not perform at a high level in the American Conference this my friend is a Fact. Which I stated earlier.

Fact: no other WR has ever underperformed in college (forget he played in the laughable American Conference) and went on the the NFL and produced at a high level. Again, I stated this earlier.

I would love for one of you to get me on board this train I’m being dead ### serious which is why I posted. But so far all I’ve gotten is finger pointing.

i would love to continue an adult dialogue about a potential NFL player who clearly will get his opportunity to start but I’m taking at least 15 players before I even look at Sutton. 

So what exactly did he do in college ( because it does matter to one degree or another) that has people taking him over Johnson again who was 2017 SEC offensive Player of the Year? That’s what I really can’t get pass. Over Johnson who at least performed at a high level against NFL caliber defenses in the SEC.

Where would you like to start kind sir?

Im in!

Tex

 

[BigTex]

While I passed on Miller to take Sutton at 1.11, I would go in this order:
Miller, Sutton, Gallup, Kirk, Washington. I wouldn't even have Fountain or Cain on my list round round 1. Late mid to round 2 in a 14 teamer, sure. J'Mon Moore is going to be your steal round 2/early 3 in a 14 teamer

I would not take Sutton over any of those guys. Maybe over Moore ouch!!!! MAYBE!!!!

Tex

 

[BigTex]

Oh, my point about being a HOMER I don’t allow it to cloud my judgement when making decisions especially financially. 

Tex