Hot Sauce Guy
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So far, reports on Coleman are that he struggles to separate, so I’m not convinced he’ll be leapfrogging anyone just yet.
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WR Curtis Samuel, BUF (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Bummer on Samuel. He could have a role similar to another Samuel in the league but turf toe can be a real itch. This Bills offense is one of the things I am most intersted in seeing. Josh Allen keeps getting ranked as QB1 but when you look around at his options, it's concerning.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Out of necesity, it should mean Shakir is on the field more and targeted more but I don't know if he quite fills the same role. Not sure anyone on the Bills can fill the Samuel role. MIght actually be a nice bump for Cook if you think about it.
zamboni
Footballguy
May be more targets for Kincaid too but he’s already pretty well valued.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I low key expected Shakir to be their WR1, so this does nothing to hurt that in my eyes.
Kincaid might be an absolute monster
I think you guys are jumping to conclusions. Samuel has a turf toe injury. not torn ligaments. he will not miss much time if at all.
I'd say you draft the same way you were gonna draft before the announcement of the injury. if it looks like he will miss week 1 you may wish to revisit, but turf toe isnt the type of injury that keeps you out more than a game or two in the regular season. we are in pre season with 2 weeks to go to the regular season starts.
My guess is he plays week 1 but may not be quite at 100%. after that, hes likely fine.
I'd say you draft the same way you were gonna draft before the announcement of the injury. if it looks like he will miss week 1 you may wish to revisit, but turf toe isnt the type of injury that keeps you out more than a game or two in the regular season. we are in pre season with 2 weeks to go to the regular season starts.
My guess is he plays week 1 but may not be quite at 100%. after that, hes likely fine.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Turf toe only keeping u out a couple of games is very true. The problem is how many games after coming back is that toe still having an impact on your routes? Turf toe sucks. Sure, that doesn't just put him on my dnd list, but definitely has some effect on where I draft him. My value would be a little different if I was drafting today compare to last week . All my opinion.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Can be absolutely brutal - Adams missed 4 games in 2019, and reportedly played through pain ROS.
Other players have come back from missed time & re-injured it.
This article does an excellent job of explaining why it’s such a big deal, and how it can come back at any time.
The agony of the feet: Why turf toe is such a dreaded injury in the NFL
A misunderstood and often dismissed condition, a big toe hyperextension can cause crippling pain with every step, creating mental anguish and fatigue that take a huge toll on an athlete. After decades of occurrences, it's finally being taken seriously.
ok you are right. but that's not the norm.Can be absolutely brutal - Adams missed 4 games in 2019, and reportedly played through pain ROS.
Other players have come back from missed time & re-injured it.
This article does an excellent job of explaining why it’s such a big deal, and how it can come back at any time.
The agony of the feet: Why turf toe is such a dreaded injury in the NFL
A misunderstood and often dismissed condition, a big toe hyperextension can cause crippling pain with every step, creating mental anguish and fatigue that take a huge toll on an athlete. After decades of occurrences, it's finally being taken seriously.www.espn.com
thats a worst case scenario. I have also wondered if some of the more serious ones were actually lisfranc injuries that were mis diagnosed. but thats neither here nor there. I am not a doctor.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Completely different part of the foot as I understand it.
Turf toe = big toe
Lisfranc = heel area
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Lisfranc is actually a mid-foot injury, but the pain radiates from the arch all the way through the toes. The result of both injuries is similar in that it's almost impossible to push off and drive forward. Still, it would be very hard for any professional to mis-diagnose a significant Lisfranc injury as turf toe because of some of the other indicators of a Lisfranc.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I have a lisfranc issue right now - fortunately mine’s isolated to the heel area.
I hadn’t read about it extending to the toes. Yeesh, that would be awful. Good info, thanks.
yeah the lisfranc area is in the middle of the foot I think just in front of the arch. nearly every tendon, ligament runs through that area and there are a ton of little bones in there too. any change to one affects all the others.
the reason I ask is I played on a team with a friend who was initially diagnosed with turf toe, and when he got a second opinion when it didnt heal the new doc told him it was a lisfranc. which surprised me but that was my first real exposure to that type of injury (which is an absolutely horrible injury if you are a RB or WR)
what makes it so scary is when you go in to repair one thing in the lisfranc area its very easy to disturb something else so its really tough to make a full recovery if you need to have surgery. Obviously depending on where they operate the odds of recovery can vary greatly.
Lisfranc (Midfoot) Injury - OrthoInfo - AAOS
Lisfranc (midfoot) injuries result if bones in the midfoot are broken or ligaments that support the midfoot are torn. The severity of the injury can vary from simple to complex, involving many joints and bones in the midfoot.
orthoinfo.aaos.org
here is a link that discusses the basics of this injury.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
it's my understanding turf toe tends to not heal in the season it occurs - it's a pain management issue all year
saw a couple videos on X showing him at the media portion of practice
was barely jogging so that wasn't much help (Samuel wears #1)
McDermott hasn't held a media session in 9 days, maybe we'll learn something tomorrow
2 weeks ago "week to week", last update was "might be ready week 1"
first injury report comes out Wednesday
ETA
OK, found evidence he can still run lol
saw a couple videos on X showing him at the media portion of practice
was barely jogging so that wasn't much help (Samuel wears #1)
McDermott hasn't held a media session in 9 days, maybe we'll learn something tomorrow
2 weeks ago "week to week", last update was "might be ready week 1"
first injury report comes out Wednesday
ETA
OK, found evidence he can still run lol
VikingFrog
Footballguy
He seems to be moving fine in that last video. I’m trying to decide on Samuel and a few other similar WR types at the end of my bench as a season flier. Looks like I’ll wait on the practice report tomorrow before making one last FA move before the season starts.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Practicing fully today.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
yeah turf toe is the worst. these guys just don't perform the same with it. was one of my favorite picks of the offseason and I'm dropping him everywhere now
LawFitz
Footballguy
VikingFrog
Footballguy
The game scripts have not been in anyone’s favor.
Josh Allen has thrown the ball 23 times in game one and 19 times in game two.
In those same games they ran the ball 33 times and 26 times.
Until that script gets flipped it will be hard to tell who comes out as a value led WR or TE on this team.
But the defense and running game is working for them at 2-0… so only time will tell. And even then Allen seems to spread the ball around a bit in week 1 and 2.
Having said all that… I have Samuel below Shakir and Coleman in that order. And that doesn’t even include Kincaid who I have no read on, but didn’t draft anywhere.
So long story… if you have small benches Samuel is likely on the wire. Larger benches or dynasty, still worth a stash to see how things shake out.
Josh Allen has thrown the ball 23 times in game one and 19 times in game two.
In those same games they ran the ball 33 times and 26 times.
Until that script gets flipped it will be hard to tell who comes out as a value led WR or TE on this team.
But the defense and running game is working for them at 2-0… so only time will tell. And even then Allen seems to spread the ball around a bit in week 1 and 2.
Having said all that… I have Samuel below Shakir and Coleman in that order. And that doesn’t even include Kincaid who I have no read on, but didn’t draft anywhere.
So long story… if you have small benches Samuel is likely on the wire. Larger benches or dynasty, still worth a stash to see how things shake out.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
No Shakir. Is this the week?
Lion to myself
Footballguy
I’m hoping so. It would be risky to play him though. But I’m might have to in a few leagues because of byes and injuries. Fingers crossed he picks up a few more targets.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
If not this week, then basically never
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I think most are aware. That snap share is also when all are healthy. Shakir has exceeded expectations for sure. In the offseason, some predicted Samuel would be doing what he is doing. Shakir is out. Samuel will slide into that role in the offense. Imo. I picked him up, but won't start him. I just didn't want my opponent to get lucky. He could have 2 or 26 pts. Who the heck know.
