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WR DeAndre Hopkins, BAL (3 Viewers)

pbandy1 said:
ap28.allday said:
Hopkins targets should only go up as the clear cut #1 wr and Hoyer is no worse then the combination of Fitzpatrick/Mallett/Keenum last season. He has looked great in camp and looks like he should continue to improve going into his 3rd year. Top 10-15 wr range???
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Personally I think Hoyer is worse than Fitzpatrick. Hopkins is still a WR1 of course.
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Not sure we can take WR1 for granted. Agree his targets should go up, but things are a lot different than last year. AJ was a far greater threat than Shorts, Washington, or Strong are going to be. Does Houston even have a TE? The same question can basically be asked at RB. Nuk is good but if he's the only threat on the entire offense and he has QB issues... even with 150 targets he looks like a high-end WR2 to me... with a pretty low floor against teams with dominant cover corners.

 
pbandy1 said:
ap28.allday said:
Hopkins targets should only go up as the clear cut #1 wr and Hoyer is no worse then the combination of Fitzpatrick/Mallett/Keenum last season. He has looked great in camp and looks like he should continue to improve going into his 3rd year. Top 10-15 wr range???
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Personally I think Hoyer is worse than Fitzpatrick. Hopkins is still a WR1 of course.
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Hoyer sure could get it in Gordon's hands.

 
Jed said:
pbandy1 said:
ap28.allday said:
Hopkins targets should only go up as the clear cut #1 wr and Hoyer is no worse then the combination of Fitzpatrick/Mallett/Keenum last season. He has looked great in camp and looks like he should continue to improve going into his 3rd year. Top 10-15 wr range???
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Personally I think Hoyer is worse than Fitzpatrick. Hopkins is still a WR1 of course.
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Hoyer sure could get it in Gordon's hands.
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In the little time they have actually played together Hoyer did ok at getting him the ball. The 2 games in 2013 were good. In 2014, 2 of the games were pretty good and the other 2 not memorable.

 
bulger2holt said:
Without Andre drawing the top CB, how much does it effect Hopkins? And his poor QB play too?
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I see huge things for Hopkins this year. He was the one guy I targeted in the first few rounds in my drafts this year. He'll lead the league in targets this year so sheer numbers would say he'll put up a huge year. His catch rate may decline with more double teams, but the increase in targets will offset that decline plus some. I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes as a top 5 WR this year.

 
Ranked about right...TD challenges and QB situation can't justify a top 10 projection.

 
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mikel0254 said:
bulger2holt said:
Without Andre drawing the top CB, how much does it effect Hopkins? And his poor QB play too?
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I see huge things for Hopkins this year. He was the one guy I targeted in the first few rounds in my drafts this year. He'll lead the league in targets this year so sheer numbers would say he'll put up a huge year. His catch rate may decline with more double teams, but the increase in targets will offset that decline plus some. I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes as a top 5 WR this year.
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Hope you're right. Don't see many Texans games.

 
TripItUp said:
Ranked about right...TD challenges and QB situation can't justify a top 10 projection.
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He can be a top 10 w/ Hoyer. 10 TD's shouldn't be out of the question, neither should 1,500 yards especially with Foster hurt to start the year. Good WR's have overcome bad QB's in the past...and I don't think Hoyer is that bad.Eta: he had 1,210 and 6 last year. To get to 1,500 and 10, he'd have to average +18 yards and .25 TD a game (1 every 4 games) more than last year. That's not a huge bump when thinking where those 146 targets A Johnson got last year will go. Oh, and he got 1,200 and 6 with R Fitzpatrick as QB. Now that he's the unquestioned #1 and best red zone target, not a huge leap to think he improves on last years numbers.

 
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I was hoping Hopkins got off to a slow start because he was one of my top targets this year. Well, so much for that. At least I got him on a few squads.

 
Question is...how does it not get reported until now? He played final series of the last game. Just being reported on Wednesday? That's nuts.

What is the NFL concussion protocol anyway? (I figure its quicker to ask here than to Google with all the nerds on these boards - ha)

 
RotoGrinders.com Daily Slant: If Hopkins were to sit out on Sunday, both Cecil Shorts and Nate Washington would become viable punt plays. Shorts has been a target monster through two games with Houston, averaging 10 looks per contest. He's caught only half of them, but he should improve on that percentage in the coming weeks. Nate Washington has seen 19 total targets through two weeks (he's caught just 9), and it's worth noting all of this has come with Hopkins healthy. Sep 23 - 3:43 PM

Ignore the misleading use of math

 
NO, NOT NUK!

I'm not very overly optimistic that he'll play this week. Interestingly, L. Green suffered a concussion during the Wednesday practice before week 1 but still managed to play. He ended up turning in a full practice Friday, however. Also, interestingly enough, L. Green suffered a 2nd concussion this week so maybe it wasn't the best idea to rush him back haha.

Concussions are scary, no doubt but on average I tend to favor them over lower body injuries. If he rests this week, so be it but long-term I'm not very worried about this.

 
I will say I'm encouraged by Mallett, it sounds like he threw some wild ones, but Carolina is a tough defense with a good rush, and in the end 58 passes is a lot of targets and opportunities.

 
SameSongNDance said:
NO, NOT NUK!

I'm not very overly optimistic that he'll play this week. Interestingly, L. Green suffered a concussion during the Wednesday practice before week 1 but still managed to play. He ended up turning in a full practice Friday, however. Also, interestingly enough, L. Green suffered a 2nd concussion this week so maybe it wasn't the best idea to rush him back haha.

Concussions are scary, no doubt but on average I tend to favor them over lower body injuries. If he rests this week, so be it but long-term I'm not very worried about this.
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And I have both of them on the same team :(

 
MattFancy said:
SameSongNDance said:
NO, NOT NUK!

I'm not very overly optimistic that he'll play this week. Interestingly, L. Green suffered a concussion during the Wednesday practice before week 1 but still managed to play. He ended up turning in a full practice Friday, however. Also, interestingly enough, L. Green suffered a 2nd concussion this week so maybe it wasn't the best idea to rush him back haha.

Concussions are scary, no doubt but on average I tend to favor them over lower body injuries. If he rests this week, so be it but long-term I'm not very worried about this.
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And I have both of them on the same team :(
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Green actually turned in a practice today which is astonishing. Even if both concussions were "minor" (if there's such a thing), I have to think his propensity for further concussions has increased dramatically.

I think what can be gleaned from this is that concussion recovery time can vary greatly from player to player. Kuechly had his bell rung week 1 and is still not practicing where as Green seems to have landed on the opposite side of the spectrum despite suffering two separate concussions in the same time frame.

 
Early game on Sunday, which helps. Have Shorts on the watch list. Thinking of adding him to the bench and plugging him in instead of Kendall Wright or whoever else I have.

 
I was super high on him this year...Im gonna throw ADP out the window now because I regret taking Luck over him in the 2nd. Next year, #### ADP

 
One of my best dynasty rookie picks ever. He's on the Same level as odb talent wise imo

He's uncoverable. And he makes the same type of circus catches.

 
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Kenny Powers said:
I was super high on him this year...Im gonna throw ADP out the window now because I regret taking Luck over him in the 2nd. Next year, #### ADP
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You can do what I did and take Luck and then Hopkins. Man, based on the way Gore and Foster look, if Luck turns it around it'll be a heck of a team. I loved Hopkins and unfortunately this was the only time I could get Hopkins. I think he was kept in both of my other leagues, too bad.

 
Courtesy of Chris Wesseling (aka Fear & Loathing) Nuk is on pace for 230 targets

@LawMurrayTheNU: The only player in the last 10 years with 200+ targets in a season is Calvin Johnson (2012 Megatron season). Nuk will challenge that #TNF

 
What an idiot.

He's lucky that personal foul did not cost his team the game.

 
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cubbie5150 said:
If opposing defenses don't start defending him like he's a premier WR, he's easily going to exceed 200 targets.
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Foster should only help. It looks like Arian is going to catch 5-10 passes a game and is going to force defenses to pay attention to him in the flat and over the middle short.

 
The last two weeks, it seems to me that Hoyer will throw to a covered Hopkins and believe he'll get it. Mallett is more nervous about it and throws elsewhere when he could probably zip it to Hopkins.

 
spider321 said:
What an idiot.

He's lucky that personal foul did not cost his team the game.
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That was a ticky tack call IMHO. The Colts player wouldn't let go of him, it wasn't taunting. He shouldn't have done it anyway, but he wouldn't have thrown the ball if the defender didn't hang onto him.

 
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