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WR DeAndre Hopkins, BAL (1 Viewer)

Osweiler makes me think Hopkins is going to waste the best years of his career. In our PPR Keeper league I just traded Hopkins and a 2nd round pick for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. 

 
Uncle Leo said:
Why can't I sit him. I always think this is the week we see DeAndre of 2015.
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Same, it's bad. I have to play him this week due to Pryor being on a bye (luckily I've already clinched a playoff spot so it doesn't matter), but I'm not sure I can start him in the playoffs.

 
Seriously debating dropping this guy for a second defense for the playoff run. I don't thinking a breakout is coming this year, and I'd have a hard time starting him during Weeks 15 and 16 anyways. Feels weird outright dropping a guy with his (fantasy) draft pedigree though.

 
davearm said:
Will Fuller is making plays downfield?  Not since like September.


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Well he was hurt and September counts.

At the time I made my post Fuller had 8 catches of 20+ yards, which despite missing two game was good for a multiple tie for 24th in the league. He added another one Sunday, Hop again did not so as of now Fuller has 9 plays of 20+ yards on 61 targets and Hop has 5 on 105 targets. 

Also Fiedorowicz is emerging and as I mentioned before both DT and Sanders did fine with Osweiler last season.

I'm not sure what Hopkins problems are to be honest and I'm not trying to argue that Osweiler is playing good football but I think there is something more than just  QB play going on that is impacting him right now. As to what that is like I said I don't know. Maybe his contract on his mind , maybe  his lack of YAC abilty is changing the way he is defended, I have no idea but for me personally I'm not seeing a guy consistently winning against coverage like an elite WR.

 
No Deandre Hopkins thread?

Nope it disappeared just like Hopkins.   

Nobody could cover him last year.  Now they can't even get him the ball.   

 
FGITLOTR said:
This is the week you have been waiting for..
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FGITLOTR said:
this is the week--please don't bench him
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That's twice in twelve hours. What's the formula for this incantation? You planning on posting it 8 more times before kickoff Sunday.

I benched him last week for Adams, Moncrief and Thomas. I even started two TEs (Eifert & Olsen), which might be a first for me.

Let's look at some other + matchups Hopkins had this year:

  • CHI (2nd most FFA ppg to WRs) 8 targets 5-54-1 acceptable week 1
  • KC (1st most FFA ppg to WRs) 11 targets 7-113-1 at this point we're thinking "not a monster game but week 2 is probably his floor most weeks." Bahahahahaha
  • TEN (4th most FFA ppg to WRs) 6 targets 1-4-0 week 4 was a weird aberration; that'll probably never happen again. Probably.
  • IND (12th most FFA ppg to WRs) 15 targets 9-71-0 week 6 is when I realized it's not going to happen with this QB. It's astounding how inaccurate he is on simple throws.
  • DET (22nd most FFA ppg to WRs) 7 targets 4-44-0 week 8 is when I realized Osweiler is a worse QB than Casey Keenum. Yes I'm serious.
  • @OAK (6th most FFA ppg to WRs) 6 targets 5-58-0 week 11 is when I realized Brock has no vertical game right now. I watched him last year and early this year, but not now.
  • SD (20th most FFA ppg to WRs) 10 targets 5-70-0 week 12 another dud.
  • @GB (8th most FFA ppg to WRs)
DeAndre Hopkins is the WR32 in PPR on the season, WR40 on a PPG basis. Over the last 5 weeks, those ranks are WR 55 and WR54. He's not even a WR4 in FF right now.

Last season, Nuk had 8 games of 23.4 pts or better in full PPR. That was with four different QBs - no WR ever had 100 yard games with 4 different QBs in the same season. Phenomenal production. This season he has one game of 16.6 pts or better.

Legit Q - WHY WOULD ANYONE START HIM? Failing to understand the concept of a sunk cost is one viable reason

 
BobbyLayne said:
That's twice in twelve hours. What's the formula for this incantation? You planning on posting it 8 more times before kickoff Sunday.

I benched him last week for Adams, Moncrief and Thomas. I even started two TEs (Eifert & Olsen), which might be a first for me.

Let's look at some other + matchups Hopkins had this year:

  • CHI (2nd most FFA ppg to WRs) 8 targets 5-54-1 acceptable week 1
  • KC (1st most FFA ppg to WRs) 11 targets 7-113-1 at this point we're thinking "not a monster game but week 2 is probably his floor most weeks." Bahahahahaha
  • TEN (4th most FFA ppg to WRs) 6 targets 1-4-0 week 4 was a weird aberration; that'll probably never happen again. Probably.
  • IND (12th most FFA ppg to WRs) 15 targets 9-71-0 week 6 is when I realized it's not going to happen with this QB. It's astounding how inaccurate he is on simple throws.
  • DET (22nd most FFA ppg to WRs) 7 targets 4-44-0 week 8 is when I realized Osweiler is a worse QB than Casey Keenum. Yes I'm serious.
  • @OAK (6th most FFA ppg to WRs) 6 targets 5-58-0 week 11 is when I realized Brock has no vertical game right now. I watched him last year and early this year, but not now.
  • SD (20th most FFA ppg to WRs) 10 targets 5-70-0 week 12 another dud.
  • @GB (8th most FFA ppg to WRs)
DeAndre Hopkins is the WR32 in PPR on the season, WR40 on a PPG basis. Over the last 5 weeks, those ranks are WR 55 and WR54. He's not even a WR4 in FF right now.

Last season, Nuk had 8 games of 23.4 pts or better in full PPR. That was with four different QBs - no WR ever had 100 yard games with 4 different QBs in the same season. Phenomenal production. This season he has one game of 16.6 pts or better.

Legit Q - WHY WOULD ANYONE START HIM? Failing to understand the concept of a sunk cost is one viable reason
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Trusting his talent man... As my second flex on a stacked team-- I still trust him to get in the end zone more than my alternate options like Dixon, Garcon, etc. If not-- Ill take his 50-60 yard floor each week. he's clearly not what I was hoping for-- but he isn't killing MY team. 

 
BobbyLayne said:
That's twice in twelve hours. What's the formula for this incantation? You planning on posting it 8 more times before kickoff Sunday.

I benched him last week for Adams, Moncrief and Thomas. I even started two TEs (Eifert & Olsen), which might be a first for me.

Let's look at some other + matchups Hopkins had this year:

  • CHI (2nd most FFA ppg to WRs) 8 targets 5-54-1 acceptable week 1
  • KC (1st most FFA ppg to WRs) 11 targets 7-113-1 at this point we're thinking "not a monster game but week 2 is probably his floor most weeks." Bahahahahaha
  • TEN (4th most FFA ppg to WRs) 6 targets 1-4-0 week 4 was a weird aberration; that'll probably never happen again. Probably.
  • IND (12th most FFA ppg to WRs) 15 targets 9-71-0 week 6 is when I realized it's not going to happen with this QB. It's astounding how inaccurate he is on simple throws.
  • DET (22nd most FFA ppg to WRs) 7 targets 4-44-0 week 8 is when I realized Osweiler is a worse QB than Casey Keenum. Yes I'm serious.
  • @OAK (6th most FFA ppg to WRs) 6 targets 5-58-0 week 11 is when I realized Brock has no vertical game right now. I watched him last year and early this year, but not now.
  • SD (20th most FFA ppg to WRs) 10 targets 5-70-0 week 12 another dud.
  • @GB (8th most FFA ppg to WRs)
DeAndre Hopkins is the WR32 in PPR on the season, WR40 on a PPG basis. Over the last 5 weeks, those ranks are WR 55 and WR54. He's not even a WR4 in FF right now.

Last season, Nuk had 8 games of 23.4 pts or better in full PPR. That was with four different QBs - no WR ever had 100 yard games with 4 different QBs in the same season. Phenomenal production. This season he has one game of 16.6 pts or better.

Legit Q - WHY WOULD ANYONE START HIM? Failing to understand the concept of a sunk cost is one viable reason
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Bobby, he needs our support during this arduous time...stay the course

 
serious question: do you think they play Savage at some point in the near future? I don't know the structure of Oz's contract, but I can't see them rolling with him again next year...Savage can't be worse

 
He was the 10th highest scoring player on my squad last week. FTR, this is the worst team I've had in 24 years. Y'all do what you think best, I'm done with him.

 
I wonder if his contract talk before the season has any effect on his usage? The same thing seemed to happen with Alshon.   Guy is vocal about contract,  suddenly is not a goto player in the offense anymore with different role?  Jeffery might be injury related and this is a stretch,  but it sure seems like teams might be saying "oh, now you want huge dollars after we overutilized you? We can fix that for next off-season..."  That would be unlikely if the team is trying to depress resigning value, but more likely if they are thinking they need their offensive plans to move on from overusing a player they can't pay. 

 
kittenmittens said:
I wonder if his contract talk before the season has any effect on his usage? The same thing seemed to happen with Alshon.   Guy is vocal about contract,  suddenly is not a goto player in the offense anymore with different role?  Jeffery might be injury related and this is a stretch,  but it sure seems like teams might be saying "oh, now you want huge dollars after we overutilized you? We can fix that for next off-season..."  That would be unlikely if the team is trying to depress resigning value, but more likely if they are thinking they need their offensive plans to move on from overusing a player they can't pay. 
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I refuse to believe that a professional organization that is in contention for the playoffs would have this philosophy.  

 
fred_1_15301 said:
I refuse to believe that a professional organization that is in contention for the playoffs would have this philosophy.  
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It's totally a stretch.   For the Bears who knows... Alshon could be on Foxes #### list for not practicing enough or something.  

For the Texans,  it might be that they just realized they needed to spread the ball around more and made a concerted effort to do so,  in combination with Brock not playing well.  They traded up and then drafted a WR in the first round...  

 
Besides the poor QB play I notice that most defenses are playing press coverage on DHop. He looks like he has a lot of trouble separating from tight coverage which causes Osweasel to look him off.

 
FGITLOTR said:
serious question: do you think they play Savage at some point in the near future? I don't know the structure of Oz's contract, but I can't see them rolling with him again next year...Savage can't be worse
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Judging by history, the Texans are loyal to their players and coaches to a fault.  Osweiler will likely start next season.  They'll say he just needed time to adjust to O'Brien's system or some bs company line. 

 
BobbyLayne said:
That's twice in twelve hours. What's the formula for this incantation? You planning on posting it 8 more times before kickoff Sunday.

I benched him last week for Adams, Moncrief and Thomas. I even started two TEs (Eifert & Olsen), which might be a first for me.

Let's look at some other + matchups Hopkins had this year:

  • CHI (2nd most FFA ppg to WRs) 8 targets 5-54-1 acceptable week 1
  • KC (1st most FFA ppg to WRs) 11 targets 7-113-1 at this point we're thinking "not a monster game but week 2 is probably his floor most weeks." Bahahahahaha
  • TEN (4th most FFA ppg to WRs) 6 targets 1-4-0 week 4 was a weird aberration; that'll probably never happen again. Probably.
  • IND (12th most FFA ppg to WRs) 15 targets 9-71-0 week 6 is when I realized it's not going to happen with this QB. It's astounding how inaccurate he is on simple throws.
  • DET (22nd most FFA ppg to WRs) 7 targets 4-44-0 week 8 is when I realized Osweiler is a worse QB than Casey Keenum. Yes I'm serious.
  • @OAK (6th most FFA ppg to WRs) 6 targets 5-58-0 week 11 is when I realized Brock has no vertical game right now. I watched him last year and early this year, but not now.
  • SD (20th most FFA ppg to WRs) 10 targets 5-70-0 week 12 another dud.
  • @GB (8th most FFA ppg to WRs)
DeAndre Hopkins is the WR32 in PPR on the season, WR40 on a PPG basis. Over the last 5 weeks, those ranks are WR 55 and WR54. He's not even a WR4 in FF right now.

Last season, Nuk had 8 games of 23.4 pts or better in full PPR. That was with four different QBs - no WR ever had 100 yard games with 4 different QBs in the same season. Phenomenal production. This season he has one game of 16.6 pts or better.

Legit Q - WHY WOULD ANYONE START HIM? Failing to understand the concept of a sunk cost is one viable reason
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You answered your own question.

Go back to your list and tell me which guys in the WR40-55 range you think have a better chance of breaking out for 20+ points on any given week.

As you mentioned, Hopkins did so about half the time as recently as last season.

 
joey said:
Just dropped him for Taylor freakin Gabriel. How the mighty have fallen. I can find 6 or 7 points (non-ppr) on the waiver wire every single week. 

Thanks for nothing, first round pick...
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That was dumb. 

 
joey said:
Just dropped him for Taylor freakin Gabriel. How the mighty have fallen. I can find 6 or 7 points (non-ppr) on the waiver wire every single week. 

Thanks for nothing, first round pick...
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I didn't drop him but probably benching him for Gabriel this week - Just got him off the ww.  I have Baldwin, Marshall, S Smith and Gabriel and must win this week.  Hopkins has had a decent floor but just so little upside.  Even in my half point PPR league he has been less than mediocre.

 
joey said:
seriously though....only 2 weeks left in regular season short bench 12 team redraft league, a dude that's put up 4, 4, 5 and 7 points the last 4 weeks, for a guy that's put up 12, 13, 13, 21 his last 4 weeks. At some point (now) it's time to get guys who are ACTUALLY scoring points as opposed to guys who should be scoring points but aren't. 
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Exactly the kind of guy I like to drop and hope my opponent in the playoffs picks him up and starts him against me. I'm serious, this is the worst kind of player to own - someone who is consistently ranked very high but puts up crap stats due to a bad situation/team/QB/whatever. Injuries can derail your season, but at least you can drop an injured player and move on with a replacement. A healthy under-performing "stud" is hard to let go, but sometimes you have to.

 
LittlePhatty said:
Exactly the kind of guy I like to drop and hope my opponent in the playoffs picks him up and starts him against me. I'm serious, this is the worst kind of player to own - someone who is consistently ranked very high but puts up crap stats due to a bad situation/team/QB/whatever. Injuries can derail your season, but at least you can drop an injured player and move on with a replacement. A healthy under-performing "stud" is hard to let go, but sometimes you have to.
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and then you get teased with an easy ROS... :wall:

 
Yea I can't start him next week. Snowstorm or not this is just bad. He's going to go off on my bench next week. Just can't do it.

Of course 

 
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Do I read his contract right - due nearly 8M next year no dead money on the last year of his contract. What are the chances HOU cuts him loose? If your QB is crap why invest in this guy ? Go out and buy better O Line?

 
ffldrew said:
Do I read his contract right - due nearly 8M next year no dead money on the last year of his contract. What are the chances HOU cuts him loose? If your QB is crap why invest in this guy ? Go out and buy better O Line?
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trade maybe is your best hope. he's not going to get cut. he's arguably their best weapon. they'll make adjustments in the offseason to help osweiller and hopkins.

 
ffldrew said:
Do I read his contract right - due nearly 8M next year no dead money on the last year of his contract. What are the chances HOU cuts him loose? If your QB is crap why invest in this guy ? Go out and buy better O Line?
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This can't be serious.

 
Well, it's Week 13, and look who scored their first receivng TD since Week 5. I'm just gonna go ahead and say what everyone else has to be thinking: this has the beginnings of a "hot streak" written all over it. Get him back in your lineups folks! (You heard it here first?)

 
What about him scoring on his 2nd and last catch of the day screams "get him back in your lineup folks!" other than wishful thinking?

 
Hankmoody said:
ffldrew said:
Do I read his contract right - due nearly 8M next year no dead money on the last year of his contract. What are the chances HOU cuts him loose? If your QB is crap why invest in this guy ? Go out and buy better O Line?
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This can't be serious.
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It looks like it's going to be a collision course to me. He'll want to be paid and a new contract in the TY Hilton/DThomas neighborhood is probably where he'll be looking if not AJ Green territory. He'll think he is worth that and if Texans want to try and pay him for 75 catches/850 yards/5 TDs he's producing this year they aren't going to pay him in that area - can you pay him based on his potential with Brock in at QB - will he even want to stay for that matter?. You can get that crap performance for a lot less than the 8M he is due next year. They can cut him loose and they have that 8M cap savings. 

 
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