Xue
Footballguy
How does spinning translate to running a route? White looks great after the catch. He has trouble translating those YAC movement skills to his routes.
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WR DeVante Parker, Eagles. (6 Viewers)
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
wow... just posted about this in the White v Cooper thread.
Parker may actually end up the no2 WR off the board, ahead of one of Cooper or White, based on what you just posted.
That already established connection/familiarity w Parker and Teddy
jurb26
Footballguy
So again I'll post, Cooper and Bridgewater went to high school together.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
sure, id say that counts for something.
just not as much as the college connection.
think the odds are slim anyways that they take parker before white/cooper... but it's always a possibility the idea carries some weight
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
From that article:
1008/9
1051/12
Dont get me wrong... I like Parker better than Benjamin.. I was never high on Kelvin. But "expecting" Parker to have more of an impact than Evans is pretty damn ballsy.
The list of 12TD rookie WRs isnt a very long one.... And by that I mean only 1 in the past 20yrs, if Im not mistaken (before this year, of course)
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Biabreakable
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I'd hate to see Parker land in MIA.
Xue
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
nothing.
unless Im misunderstanding, he wont be doing any of the drills/40 again... While I can understand that his numbers were good at the combine, it worries me that maybe he isnt doing them again for a reason? (not a good one)
easily can be overthinking this, as Ive started to come around to really liking him.. just wanna be sure
I don't believe many top prospects do those drills again at their pro day if they had a solid performance at the combine, which I beliece Parker did.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I always thought Pro Day's were optimized for athletes to put up better numbers than at the combine.
Ive never been one to focus on pro days.... just gametape and to a small extent, the combine.
Regardless... as someone who admitted he needed to watch much more tape on Parker, Ive come away very, very impressed
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I feel like I agree. This feels like it will come down to the things we cannot see.....work ethic and situation. I think the top three are REAL close (Cooper, White, Parker).
If that's the case then he stands to lose a lot if any of his measurables are worse than the combine. I see no problem standing on his combine numbers if he thinks it's as good as he can do.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
DeVante Parker averaged 17.8 yards per catch (19.9 in 2014 without Bridgewater) and scored 33 TD in 43 games (.767 TD/game)
I don't know what Cossell watched because his statement makes no sense in regards to Parker only being a short to intermediate receiver.
Kevin White averaged 13.6 yards per catch (13.3 in 2014) and scored 15 TD in 24 games (.625 TD/game)
2014 Parker was the 10th best of all WR in yards per catch.
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Zyphros
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I can see it, although I don't fully agree. Parker wins with his footwork from what I've seen and he excels in the short/intermediate area. He's definitely more than that though. Also hate the Crabtree comparison.
Biabreakable
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voiceofunreason
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voiceofunreason
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I'd have to watch more film of him but my impression of him was a possession wr. Most of the plays downfield I saw him make there was a defender all over him. Ball skills are nice but if you aren't creating significant separation in college you'll be blanketed in the pros.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well you can start here DeVante Parker vs FSU (2014)
Does he get separation on the first play of this game or not?
He is playing against PJ Williams who is graded as a first round corner prospect for the NFL draft. 4th best corner of this class according to Rob Rang and highly regarded by just about everyone.
Xue
Footballguy
And you are....nobody...Do you have any substance to add? Or just another one of my haters. Get over yourself.
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Xue
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voiceofunreason
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That game is a prime example, which will amaze the people who love him. Most of the plays down the field he has a defender within a foot of him.
The play you mention was a blown coverage. He was open by over 5 yards, clearly a blown assignment. And when the defender turns to run, he eats up that cushion very quickly. When a defender gains over 5 yards in a 20 yard span, that's a pretty huge difference. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/devante-parker-vs-fsu-2014/His 2 other big plays, a bit after the 3 minute mark he was blanketed, the qb made a perfect throw and he pushed off a bit. At the 4:30 mark he was covered and really pushed off.
I'm not saying he's a bad wr but some people are talking about him like a big deep threat and a potential elite wr in the NFL. I agree more with Cosell, I see more of a possession wr that will have the occasional big play. I think he's better than Crabtree, Hopkins may be a better comparison, but he's not a Julio Jones, Mike Evans, etc.
jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah that play was a terrible blown coverage. Still, the fact that he got caught by the defender gaining over 5 YDS in a 20 yd span was entirely because of how horribly under thrown the pass was, causing Parker to nearly stop to make the catch. I'm not sure how this wasn't pointed out.The play at the 3 min mark is a thing of beauty and shows a ton of attributes that translate to the NFL. I'm not sure how this play can be justified as something negative, at all. He cleanly beats a very good press CB of the LOS, gets immediately even, is pulling away, idles down using his body to create perfect positioning between him and the defender and tracks the ball perfectly on an over the shoulder outside pass. The ball tracking on this play is what is most impressive and it's the reason you think it's a push off. He slows to allows this pass to drop perfectly and he makes the throw look better than it was.
The 3rd play was a clear push off.
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Biabreakable
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If you agree with Cosell after watching that all I can say is you only see what you want to see.
Parker gets open on all kinds of routes. You don't have such a high yards per catch as Parker has by only being a short to intermediate receiver.
Cosell had a really bad evaluation of Teddy Bridgewater too. He is just doubling down. If I had any doubt about Bridgewater it was because Parker is so good.
There is some consistency in how Cosell says that Bridgewater/Parker are no good at the deep passing game. He is just wrong on both counts.
Parker gets open on all kinds of routes. You don't have such a high yards per catch as Parker has by only being a short to intermediate receiver.
Cosell had a really bad evaluation of Teddy Bridgewater too. He is just doubling down. If I had any doubt about Bridgewater it was because Parker is so good.
I guess Norv Turner isn't watching the NFL.
Teddy Bridgewater's supporting cast last season would be the very definition of sub optimal. No Adrian Peterson. One of his favorite targets was Charles Johnson who the Vikings plucked off of the Cleveland Browns practice squad. Yet Bridgewater still excelled.
There is some consistency in how Cosell says that Bridgewater/Parker are no good at the deep passing game. He is just wrong on both counts.
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Xue
Footballguy
White is Hopkins. He has an even worse time "separating" because his routes are horrible, especially for a fake 4.35 guy.
Being a deep threat isn't about separating. I'm not even sure most people know what that word means or how it actually happens.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
On the first play, the defender looks clearly a lot faster than him before and after the catch, just how I see it.
I won't argue that the play at the 3 min mark was nice ball skills but the defender was right on his hip and was running right with him the whole wayl. Not saying it's a bad play but this is best game in college and there's not a lot of proof there that he will be a deep threat in the NFL for me. I've watched his other games as well and I just don't see plays where he accelerates past defenders and leaves them in the dust. Like I said earlier, I could see a Hopkins type of player who can make some plays deep but it really isn't something he's going to do consistently at the NFL level. I mean I hope I'm wrong, I have the 1.05 in one league, where I really need a wr, so I'm probably going to pick him but I don't quite see the elite ceiling that others are.
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Kitrick Taylor
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FSU sported two of the best CBs in the country this year. Darby (4.38/40) and Williams (4.57/40) are probable top 50 picks. Parker (in his 2nd game back from injury) schooled them to the tune of 8/214.
Are you suggesting that his 4.45 speed isn't going to translate? To me it is comforting to watch him win in contested situations. That's what its all about in the NFL, because few WRs can leave a CB in the dust.
Parker had a chance to be a 1st rounder in last years draft class. He's a near lock for a top 15 selection this year. Sometimes I think we try too hard to poke holes in a players game. Parker has very good speed, but that isn't his best attribute. He is exceptional at high pointed the football, and has a ridiculous 80 inch wingspan. That is a winning trait in today's NFL.
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