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WR DeVante Parker, Retired (1 Viewer)

Just watched Tua's highlights from week 9.  I am optimistic about Parker's opportunities moving forward.

-With Preston out, he will have a large target share

-Tua was making his reads and hopefully he will continue to ascend.  Note that none of us are talking about Fitz anymore.  Tua was impressive in week 9
Tua looked much better week 9, but the Cards D was hurting and missing a starting CB. I still expect inconsistency. As a Parker owner, I definitely wish they still stuck with Fitz. No matter what denials come out of Miami, going to Tua was not done for competitive purposes. They simply need to see what they have in him and if they need to be in the QB market this draft.

 
Tua looked much better week 9, but the Cards D was hurting and missing a starting CB. I still expect inconsistency. As a Parker owner, I definitely wish they still stuck with Fitz. No matter what denials come out of Miami, going to Tua was not done for competitive purposes. They simply need to see what they have in him and if they need to be in the QB market this draft.
I own Parker too, actually one of 2-3 Keepers I have and I think he's going to have a big run over the next 4 weeks. Could total what he's done the first 7-8 weeks. 

 
I own Parker too, actually one of 2-3 Keepers I have and I think he's going to have a big run over the next 4 weeks. Could total what he's done the first 7-8 weeks. 
I like your optimism. 

My concern with Parker/Tua is that Parker doesn't get a ton of separation.  Seems like Fitz would trust Parker to come down with it in contested catch situations.  I feared that maybe Tua would be less likely to force it.  

Small sample size with Tua and Parker I know,  but am I crazy to think this? 

 
I like your optimism. 

My concern with Parker/Tua is that Parker doesn't get a ton of separation.  Seems like Fitz would trust Parker to come down with it in contested catch situations.  I feared that maybe Tua would be less likely to force it.  

Small sample size with Tua and Parker I know,  but am I crazy to think this? 
Isnt Tua known for his accuracy?   From week 9 highlights he threw into some tight windows to Parker.

 
At this point of the FF season, if you have a good enough squad to sit Parker, then cudos to you and your team! I'm on board and hoping for a second half like last year. 

 
Tua is terrible for this guy.

Target tree went to very narrow under Fitz to way to broad. Even with no Williams today Grant ate into his targets. Back end WR3 at best, if that.

Doesn’t help of course that the Phins won’t throw unless they are forced to and their defense is good enough to make this strategy viable.

 
DeVante Parker caught 2-of-7 targets for 31 yards in Week 10 against the Chargers. 

Parker was expected to have a larger target share with Preston Williams out. That didn't happen, with his seven targets only slightly ahead of Mike Gesicki (5) and Jakeem Grant (5). Both finished with more yards than Parker. The move to Tua Tagovailoa has been a downgrade for Parker, who DeVante Parker hasn't went over 65 yards the last three weeks. Parker gets a matchup with the Broncos in Week 11.

- Rotoworld

 
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Tua is terrible for this guy.

Target tree went to very narrow under Fitz to way to broad. Even with no Williams today Grant ate into his targets. Back end WR3 at best, if that.

Doesn’t help of course that the Phins won’t throw unless they are forced to and their defense is good enough to make this strategy viable.
Early leads have hurt Parker  in 2 of the 3 games under Tua.  Tua only threw 25 times today, and Parker was targeted 7 times.

 
Early leads have hurt Parker  in 2 of the 3 games under Tua.  Tua only threw 25 times today, and Parker was targeted 7 times.
The point isn’t the number of throws, it’s the target share. As long as Grant and Gesicki are getting close to the same number of targets (7 to 5) he’s not going to viable. The only reason his stock was pointing up last week was Preston’s injury and the assumption of increased target share. That didn’t happen.

 
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Early leads have hurt Parker  in 2 of the 3 games under Tua.  Tua only threw 25 times today, and Parker was targeted 7 times.
And I hope Tua can continue to throw it 25-30 times a game tops and that's because it would signal we are getting a run game going. Ahmed was the first time I started getting excited when we were handing off. 

I own Parker and I'm sure he will have a few big games along the way, he's more of a Flex for me and I rotate him with Higgins but Higgins about to be an autostart with the consecutive games he has posted double digits. 

 
And I hope Tua can continue to throw it 25-30 times a game tops and that's because it would signal we are getting a run game going. Ahmed was the first time I started getting excited when we were handing off. 

I own Parker and I'm sure he will have a few big games along the way, he's more of a Flex for me and I rotate him with Higgins but Higgins about to be an autostart with the consecutive games he has posted double digits. 
MIP, I’m happy for you as I know you’re a Phins fan, but as a neutral observer, I’m still bummed about how they did Fitzy (as well as cratering my Parker stock). They’re winning with Tua, but he’s definitely leaving points on the field. Hope it doesnt come back to burn them since they can be in this race with that defense.

 
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MIP, I’m happy for you as I know you’re a Phins fan, but as a neutral observer, I’m still bummed about how they did Fitzy (as well as cratering my Parker stock). They’re winning with Tua, but he’s definitely leaving points on the field. Hope it doesnt come back to burn them since they can be in this race with that defense.
I've been with you and sort of a agree, Johnny Utah, but let's not forget who Fitz was in the grand scheme of things. He's been a roller coaster QB even in his best years, his best games. So I'm cutting them a bit more slack with this decision, but your overall point is a salient one, and I still think the Dolphins were evaluating. Now that's out the window with six wins. They're out of prime QB drafting contention. Now it's all about winning.

Keep an eye on Tua's health, though. He looks small out there. Looks like Kyler without the requisite speed. 

 
MIP, I’m happy for you as I know you’re a Phins fan, but as a neutral observer, I’m still bummed about how they did Fitzy (as well as cratering my Parker stock). They’re winning with Tua, but he’s definitely leaving points on the field. Hope it doesnt come back to burn them since they can be in this race with that defense.
You obviously haven't been subscribing to my Phins Updates, pretty vocal about how I felt Fitz should have been left in there...that said all my skepticism was erased in the Arizona game and I've let go and just enjoying the ride for now. I'm not sure if Tua is the ultimate long term answer but he sure has injected a lot of fun into the team and the fan base is feeling Tuatastic right now so you can't argue with success and a banana fan base but I understand your point and you are talking to probably the most critical Miami fan on this board and I could be mistaken for a Miami hater if you didn't see my other posts. 

I grew up on Miami from about the time Marino was drafted when I was in 3rd or 4th grade, all I ever knew was Shula and Marino but this feels different and it's the first time I feel a coach and QB combo here that is going to work. Super Bowl? I don't know about that but Playoff run while Tua is under his rookie contract Years 1-2 and 3, yeah they are on track for all that. 

 
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I've been with you and sort of a agree, Johnny Utah, but let's not forget who Fitz was in the grand scheme of things. He's been a roller coaster QB even in his best years, his best games. So I'm cutting them a bit more slack with this decision, but your overall point is a salient one, and I still think the Dolphins were evaluating. Now that's out the window with six wins. They're out of prime QB drafting contention. Now it's all about winning.

Keep an eye on Tua's health, though. He looks small out there. Looks like Kyler without the requisite speed. 
He does look small and fragile, but maybe our knowledge of his injury history is affecting our view. In any event, he seems to be good at pre-snap reads and making good and quick decisions, and accuracy. Pocket presence seems to be good, but I need more data. Fitzpatrick got an "A" for pocket presence. 

 
What are people doing with Parker? Would anyone consider cutting him loose for the likes of Marvin Jones or Pitman on the waiver wire?

Point being, given how Miami wants to run a ball control offense with Tua, them having the stout D to pull this off most weeks, and Tua spreading the ball to a much broader target tree than Fitz, it seems like this guy's value is minimal going forward. Unless a team can force Miami to come out of it's shell and throw the ball, this guy is barely usable. Looking at the schedule, week 13 (Cin) 14 (KC) and 16 (Lv) look like they fit this description, but you have to have some big stones to consider using this guy in the playoffs at this point.

So what's everyone doing? Holding and hoping for a turnaround, or cutting bait for a waiver option with possibly more upside (as mentioned above)?

 
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The last time I took a position on Parker was a couple of seasons ago. I have been wrong every time I have taken a position on him is why. I said awhile back that if i ever do take a position on him for people to do that opposite of that, because thats how these things have worked out for me regarding him so far.

i can't imagine cutting him though as Johnny Utah is wondering about.

 
What are people doing with Parker? Would anyone consider cutting him loose for the likes of Marvin Jones or Pitman on the waiver wire?
In my redraft league, If Golladay is out again, I’m going to try to dump Parker for Jones or Pittman in that order.   Miami is a run first and run often team as Tua learns on the job.  I need wins these last few weeks to make the playoffs.  If Golladay is playing I may still go for Pittman.  I don’t see Parker winning games for me.  

 
I have him in a 12 team league. Unfortunately the best waiver options are Rishard Higgins or Denzel Mims. So Devante stays with me.

 
The last time I took a position on Parker was a couple of seasons ago. I have been wrong every time I have taken a position on him is why. I said awhile back that if i ever do take a position on him for people to do that opposite of that, because thats how these things have worked out for me regarding him so far.

i can't imagine cutting him though as Johnny Utah is wondering about.
I respect the opinion, and maybe he does turn it on down the stretch, stranger things have happened. It’s only a 3 game sample size, but it doesn’t look good. I thought the Williams injury would be a boon for him. I just can’t feel remotely comfortable starting this guy going forward. The team philosophy and situation is just a polar opposite of last year when he flourished.

 
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I respect the opinion, and maybe he does turn it on down the stretch, stranger things have happened. It’s only a 3 game sample size, but it doesn’t look good. I thought the Williams injury would be a boon for him. I just can’t feel remotely comfortable starting this guy going forward. The team philosophy and situation is just a polar opposite of last year when he flourished.
Well I have never been right about this player at the right time. So anything I say 8s like a double reverse jinx.

Totally depends on the league. If you think other players are better starts use them.

If you cut Parker I'm sure some fool like me will scoop him up.

 
Let's stop being so upset because the box scores look weak, I've mentioned a bunch of times he draws a lot of DPI and holding flags, it's a shame most leagues don't reward that, at least none of mine do. 

-The fact is most of you do not watch the games and to call Miami a possession ball control type offense is so shortsighted and show an utter lack of any knowledge of the team. Tua had 350 yds and 3 TDs and single handedly brought Miami back to beat Arizona 34-31 in the desert between AZ victories over Seattle and Buffalo over the last 3 weeks so don't sit there on your high horse because you have FF slanted glasses on, there's a major difference in football talk and box score talk. I understand box scores fill your point totals up but if you took a step back and wouldn't overreact too much, something I myself am guilty of, but if you could look at it form this angle...WR1 on a young and developing offense getting better and better, vry little Stud RB in this offense, it's pretty hit n miss on the ground, Miami has to throw in order to move the football. They are giving Tua more and more to do, eventually the bigger plays we all crave are going to appear. 

Relax or sell low, the choice is yours but Miami paid up for 4 more years of Parker when they could have shown him the door. He loves the new coaching staff and he plays hard, plays thru injuries, those are the things I am taking note of. Maybe his stats will not equal what he totaled last season but I'm not going to just sit quietly and not defend him, he's a big part of the offense and why we are 6-3. I believe he is getting closer to having a strong run with everything on the line for Miam these next 6-7 games as they hold the No 7 Seed in the highly competitive AFC...cue the music PowerSurge!!!

"Look at him go and HE COULD GO ALL THE>>>WAY!!!"

 
Let's stop being so upset because the box scores look weak, I've mentioned a bunch of times he draws a lot of DPI and holding flags, it's a shame most leagues don't reward that, at least none of mine do. 

-The fact is most of you do not watch the games and to call Miami a possession ball control type offense is so shortsighted and show an utter lack of any knowledge of the team. Tua had 350 yds and 3 TDs and single handedly brought Miami back to beat Arizona 34-31 in the desert between AZ victories over Seattle and Buffalo over the last 3 weeks so don't sit there on your high horse because you have FF slanted glasses on, there's a major difference in football talk and box score talk. I understand box scores fill your point totals up but if you took a step back and wouldn't overreact too much, something I myself am guilty of, but if you could look at it form this angle...WR1 on a young and developing offense getting better and better, vry little Stud RB in this offense, it's pretty hit n miss on the ground, Miami has to throw in order to move the football. They are giving Tua more and more to do, eventually the bigger plays we all crave are going to appear. 

Relax or sell low, the choice is yours but Miami paid up for 4 more years of Parker when they could have shown him the door. He loves the new coaching staff and he plays hard, plays thru injuries, those are the things I am taking note of. Maybe his stats will not equal what he totaled last season but I'm not going to just sit quietly and not defend him, he's a big part of the offense and why we are 6-3. I believe he is getting closer to having a strong run with everything on the line for Miam these next 6-7 games as they hold the No 7 Seed in the highly competitive AFC...cue the music PowerSurge!!!

"Look at him go and HE COULD GO ALL THE>>>WAY!!!"
MOP this is why the insight you provide is positively impactful.  Keep it up!

 
MOP this is why the insight you provide is positively impactful.  Keep it up!
I own him too, I'm a little frustrated and I've moved him into more of a Bye week fill in right now. But I got lucky bringing guys on like Tee Higgins and there are a couple others that have helped lighten up Parker's role on my teams. But I still am optimistic he is going to light it up a few times in the coming weeks. If I'm wrong so be it but it's just my observations from watching the games. 

 
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Didn't he have a TD overturned last game?  I could have sworn I was watching Gamecast and he caught a TD and then they reversed it.  Guess he didn't get control or both feet in bounds?

 
Didn't he have a TD overturned last game?  I could have sworn I was watching Gamecast and he caught a TD and then they reversed it.  Guess he didn't get control or both feet in bounds?
Yes.  ~5 yd pass....Back corner of the endzone.  Initial call was that he got both feet down......replay overturned
And this is the piece that keeps Parker ranked in the top ~25-30 wrs each week.     Such a tease.   Logic says it SHOULD be better, but also remember that MIA is playing against DEN this week.....a defense that just let J.Jacobs + Booker run for over 200yds and 4 rushing scores last week......and now DEN offense dealing with D.Lock banged up.    If Mia gets up on top early, Lock could get re-injured or pulled.     
As a DParker owner, i think i just convinced myself to sit him (going to roll back to DJ Moore, which is another headache.....but at least more upside)

 
Week 11 Dynasty Risers and Fallers: D'Andre Swift has arrived

Excerpt:

FALLER: WR DEVANTE PARKER, MIAMI DOLPHINS

Parker broke out last year with 1,202 yards, but he’s currently on pace for under three-quarters of that production. His team has taken a step back in passing output compared to last year, but the shift hasn’t been particularly dramatic. They are fewer than 20 yards per game behind their 2019 passing numbers.

The change that is ruining Parker’s fantasy value is his new role. His 21% target share is identical in both years but his average depth of target has dropped by 4 yards. While his team may not have fallen off a cliff in production, they are using him in a way that isn’t as conducive to producing fantasy points. Unsurprisingly, his yards per target of 9.4 last year is down to 8.2 this year. 

Parker is being used suboptimally in the new Miami offense, and there’s no reason to believe that will subside anytime soon. Selling low on Parker isn’t a bad idea if you can still get a WR2 swap for him.

 
The question we’re all waiting for though ... 

are you comfortable starting DeVante this week?
I’m not at all, but he might be the best of some bad options for me at WR3. Still debating it, but I’m starting to talk myself into Pittman. It’s either him, Hollywood, AB, or a recently picked up Pittman.

This matchup this week has red flags all over. Miami D will annihilate a gimpy Lock and/or Brett Rypien. I would be shocked if Tua has to throw it over 25 times (or if Miami let’s him). Phins will be in control all game and running against a suspect Broncos run D. Nothing about this matchup looks good. You are basically praying that Parker gets a TD early before the Phins pack it in go super conservative on offense.

 
Makes sense now ... 

keep up the good work. I typically side with your takes. 
I am wrong plenty.

I am just exceptionally wrong about this particularly player. If I were superman he would be my kryptonite.

I have divested of him wherever I had him. So there is no position for me to take anymore. God help me if I do end up rostering him again.

 
The question we’re all waiting for though ... 

are you comfortable starting DeVante this week?
Hell no. Fortunately I picked up Higgins week 2, and Crowder is chillin on my bench too in case I need another guy. Mostert coming back next week and a starting trio of JuJu, Ridley & Higgins. 

Until I see more than a couple targets, i just can’t trust Tua.

Miami seems to be scheming to protect him from himself, which is a smart thing to do with a young QB. Short to intermediate throws, dumps to the RB/TE, and lots of run plays.

that all adds up to a big wet fart if you have Parker in your lineup & he doesn’t get his one RZ target of the game. 

Sad but true. He’s my 5th option. Maybe 6th behind Ballage this week. 7th when Gallman comes back next week. Just can’t trust him. 

 
I am wrong plenty.

I am just exceptionally wrong about this particularly player. If I were superman he would be my kryptonite.

I have divested of him wherever I had him. So there is no position for me to take anymore. God help me if I do end up rostering him again.
So we’re on the same page then ...

I drafted Parker as a rookie in my dynasty league - he’s been horrible to own. Talent is obviously there. Fitz getting benched was horrid for Parker, THIS YEAR.

 
Hell no. Fortunately I picked up Higgins week 2, and Crowder is chillin on my bench too in case I need another guy. Mostert coming back next week and a starting trio of JuJu, Ridley & Higgins. 

Until I see more than a couple targets, i just can’t trust Tua.

Miami seems to be scheming to protect him from himself, which is a smart thing to do with a young QB. Short to intermediate throws, dumps to the RB/TE, and lots of run plays.

that all adds up to a big wet fart if you have Parker in your lineup & he doesn’t get his one RZ target of the game. 

Sad but true. He’s my 5th option. Maybe 6th behind Ballage this week. 7th when Gallman comes back next week. Just can’t trust him. 
I mean ... I agree with all of this. But Parker has had 7 targets in each of this last 2 games.

but I agree with bia, and hot sauce - the game this week shouldn’t make for a lot of passing opps for the Phins 

 
I mean ... I agree with all of this. But Parker has had 7 targets in each of this last 2 games.

but I agree with bia, and hot sauce - the game this week shouldn’t make for a lot of passing opps for the Phins 
Well, I watched a lot of that game and some “targets” were Tua throwing the ball away in the vague vicinity of Parker. 

Also it comes down to options. I have too many better options right now with higher ceilings and higher floors. Just not worth the risk in games I need to win. 

 
Yeah Fitzmagic is really good for fantasy players.
I don’t want Tua to get hurt. I genuinely don’t. 

but if for some reason Tua had to miss a few games, I don’t think Parker owners would mind very much. 

The cruel reality as a Parker owner this year was that when Parker finally shook his hamstring injury, Fitzmagic got benched. And to make it even more cruel, 🦄  got hurt, so Parker should have gone 💥. Instead he went bust. 

Potential hinted at but never fully realized.

If Tua goes down for any reason Parker becomes a must-start. 

 
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I don’t want Tua to get hurt. I genuinely don’t. 

but if for some reason Tua had to miss a few games, I don’t think Parker owners would mind very much. 

The cruel reality as a Parker owner this year was that when Parker finally shook his hamstring injury, Fitzmagic got benched. And to make it even more cruel, 🦄  got hurt, so Parker should have gone 💥. Instead he went bust. 

Potential hinted at but never fully realized.

If Tua goes down for any reason Parker becomes a must-start. 
I think Tua is going to be great. Maybe even this season.

Maybe not great for fantasy or Parker though. A lot of that is on the coaches as well, they have likely scaled back some things for Tua that Fitzpatrick has already mastered. But you have to let Tua develop. He is the future of this team.

 
I think Tua is going to be great. Maybe even this season.

Maybe not great for fantasy or Parker though. A lot of that is on the coaches as well, they have likely scaled back some things for Tua that Fitzpatrick has already mastered. But you have to let Tua develop. He is the future of this team.
Yep - I said exactly that above.

As an NFL fan, yay!

As a 2020 Parker owner, boo! 

 
Way too soon to say one way or another if he is going to be good for fantasy this year or not.

Fitzpatrick had 7 interceptions in 6 games. Coaches care about that. Tua has had none.

Tua producing half the receiving yards of Fitpatrick so far in 3 games. Fitpatrick was throwing it 33 times per game Tua 26.

 

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