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WR DeVante Parker, Retired (1 Viewer)

@northern exposure, you might need to throw in something or get creative to do that deal, though. According to the calcs, he's on the cusp of being worth at late first, if not at least a mid-second. He's not ancient and he's in a good situation for now. He's definitely a guy you're looking at if you're decimated at receiver these days like I am or if you're in win-now mode.

 
The more years I've played dynasty the more I'm convinced there is this really big grey area for many, many players where nobody will pay a 1st but nobody would take a 2nd for them either. So they are either untradeable or you have to figure a way to mix and match a bigger deal.

I wouldn't pay a 1st for Parker but I *might* pay a 1st or more for someone else I like better and then throw in a small piece to bring Parker back as well. Only if it fits, though. 

I agree with Rock that he is a guy worth targeting if you're thin at WR like everyone is. 

 
barackdhouse said:
The more years I've played dynasty the more I'm convinced there is this really big grey area for many, many players where nobody will pay a 1st but nobody would take a 2nd for them either. So they are either untradeable or you have to figure a way to mix and match a bigger deal.

I wouldn't pay a 1st for Parker but I *might* pay a 1st or more for someone else I like better and then throw in a small piece to bring Parker back as well. Only if it fits, though. 

I agree with Rock that he is a guy worth targeting if you're thin at WR like everyone is. 
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I took this approach. The other owner had offered his Goff for my Newton before. I politely declined back then. Fast forward to now and I offered him my Newton and a second (plus Kenny Vaccaro, Tennessee safety, who the owner had mentioned made him think about a deal last week) for his Goff and Parker. I hope that the difference in value between Newton and Goff makes up for the second-round to late-first gap.

Mahomes starts in that league for me, so it's really about retaining a backup QB. 

But that's just to see in print how I tried to mix and match. And that may not be enough to do it.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Let me help further this along because I am not laying into you, I want to know more. Why would you not take the deal? Why would you take the deal? What is the crux of the ying and yang here for you? I'd like to understand. 

He's a solid player and I could offer some insight into my POV once Tua takes over...
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This is my 2nd year in this SF dynasty league and it is my 1st SF league. I have been playing in dynasty leagues for many years. So, I feel I am still getting my bearings and learning player and positional values in this format. I took over an orphaned team and tried to make some trades to improve my roster and found very few reasonable owners in terms of trades. There was the typical "lets take advantage of the new guy" trades and then the offers from the rebuilders where they were overvaluing their few tradeable assets. I worked the waivers, made some small trades and brought home the title last season. But, I realize there was luck involved because things broke my way last year. I still need to build depth on my roster and my biggest areas of concern are my RBs and WRs and to some extent my QBs.

I think my 2021 picks will be mid to late rounders, but if I lose a key player or two in this unusual season we could be talking a top 5 pick. IMO based on the last couple of year's drafts, I would not take Parker over the players chosen in the 1st round. I would be much happier giving up a 2nd for Parker and if the other owner doesn't agree, I won't lose any sleep over it. Maybe I'll consider expanding the deal as rockaction and barackdhouse suggested.

The other owner already traded D Adams and Bostic for Mixon, Bernard, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd. 

Sorry for hijacking this thread. I didn't want to put a long winded post in here, but couldn't see another way to address MoP's responses. 

 
northern exposure said:
This is my 2nd year in this SF dynasty league and it is my 1st SF league. I have been playing in dynasty leagues for many years. So, I feel I am still getting my bearings and learning player and positional values in this format. I took over an orphaned team and tried to make some trades to improve my roster and found very few reasonable owners in terms of trades. There was the typical "lets take advantage of the new guy" trades and then the offers from the rebuilders where they were overvaluing their few tradeable assets. I worked the waivers, made some small trades and brought home the title last season. But, I realize there was luck involved because things broke my way last year. I still need to build depth on my roster and my biggest areas of concern are my RBs and WRs and to some extent my QBs.

I think my 2021 picks will be mid to late rounders, but if I lose a key player or two in this unusual season we could be talking a top 5 pick. IMO based on the last couple of year's drafts, I would not take Parker over the players chosen in the 1st round. I would be much happier giving up a 2nd for Parker and if the other owner doesn't agree, I won't lose any sleep over it. Maybe I'll consider expanding the deal as rockaction and barackdhouse suggested.

The other owner already traded D Adams and Bostic for Mixon, Bernard, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd. 

Sorry for hijacking this thread. I didn't want to put a long winded post in here, but couldn't see another way to address MoP's responses. 
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This sounds like the seller of Parker is trying to accumulate picks for 2021 while your goal is to be competitive this year.

I like you would not want to pay a 1st round pick for Parker but I recognize that this is close to his market value.

In terms of just draft picks you could try sending your 2nd and 3rd for 2021 which is less than the value of a 1st but getting closer to it. This depends on your league somewhat as far as if 3rd round picks have any value.

Or you can try a package of a 2nd and minor player for Parker instead.

Good luck.

 
barackdhouse said:
The more years I've played dynasty the more I'm convinced there is this really big grey area for many, many players where nobody will pay a 1st but nobody would take a 2nd for them either. So they are either untradeable or you have to figure a way to mix and match a bigger deal.

I wouldn't pay a 1st for Parker but I *might* pay a 1st or more for someone else I like better and then throw in a small piece to bring Parker back as well. Only if it fits, though. 

I agree with Rock that he is a guy worth targeting if you're thin at WR like everyone is. 
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Agreed. Parker is squarely camped out in the Nether Zone.

 
barackdhouse said:
The more years I've played dynasty the more I'm convinced there is this really big grey area for many, many players where nobody will pay a 1st but nobody would take a 2nd for them either. So they are either untradeable or you have to figure a way to mix and match a bigger deal.

I wouldn't pay a 1st for Parker but I *might* pay a 1st or more for someone else I like better and then throw in a small piece to bring Parker back as well. Only if it fits, though. 

I agree with Rock that he is a guy worth targeting if you're thin at WR like everyone is. 
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good point.  the old no mans land.  makes sense just never thought about it that way.

 
Moniker said:
People overestimate their ability to draft WRs. Parker is easily worth a mid/late round 1st. 
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Or people would like to do more than pass on the potential of a 1st round prospect in order to settle for a soon to be 28 year old player with one recognizable season to his name whom appears to be the equivalent of a safe Tony Gwynn slappy single to left field.    🤷🏼‍♂️
 

 
northern exposure said:
This is my 2nd year in this SF dynasty league and it is my 1st SF league. I have been playing in dynasty leagues for many years. So, I feel I am still getting my bearings and learning player and positional values in this format.

Sorry for hijacking this thread. I didn't want to put a long winded post in here, but couldn't see another way to address MoP's responses. 
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zamboni said:
I'd like to hear your insight MoP because I think it's a real risk to Parker's prospects when Tua takes over.
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This is my POV after 3 games this year plus let's not overlook the back half of last season, Miami is actually a .500 ball club at 6-6 over their last 12 games vs an 0-7 start if you all remember last season. 

The OL is the main crux of my insight as I think it is going to dictate when Tua is able to take the field. Miami has 2 starting OL who are rookies and even the RT is pretty mild in rankings so they don't have a lot of time to drop back for 3 seconds and allow WRs like Preston Williams to work down the field so Parker is an insta-treat for Fitz in that 10-15 yard area he needs to move the offense down the field, Fitz many times releases the ball without Parker really having much separation but he knows which way the route is going to be run and throws it into the box where Parker ends up moving thru and using his body to shield from the DB and allow him to catch the ball rather easily. 

Eventually Tua is going to play, I have my doubts about him being on the field any time real soon though. When he does he will be able to buy more time is my assumption and that will put more receivers into action other than just parker all the time or Gesicki at TE who btw is going to help because he is quickly elevating to one of the better TEs in the NFL right now, entering into Year 3. 

At the same time I believe Tua is watching and learning and he would be blind to not see Parker as a natural safe set of hands for him to zip it into, I think he will transition nicely for parker owners, and I see things in Parker's game I have not seen. I think he looks even better this year than last year, and the offense overall and lack of playmakers around him is really the only thing holding him back. There's no reason he cannot be a yearly 1,000 yard WR if he can stay on the field which was a major problem leading into 2019. TDs will be unpredictable however Miami will likely be in some shootouts as they round into a potential playoff team over the next couple years, that has to be the arc or they will be going back into the Draft again...so I think Parker is going to be the lead WR for the now and the future, Miami paid him up for the next 3-4 years and I believe not just Miami but Parker himself is excited about the direction we are going now and wants to be a part of it. I like his enthusiasm to want to play thru an injury when he can. 

I think he can easily rack up good PPR numbers and is an ideal WR3 that can have some big weeks. I think he does well behind some of the more steady WR1 and 2 types, Parker has a chance to elevate into Mid WR2 level. He will never be mistaken for a Julio or a Hopkins but he can put up steady numbers the way say Donald Driver used to in Green Bay, never flashy but usually was projected as a 1,000/6-8TD guy and I see no reason to not expect that with Parker at this point except if the transition from Fitz to Tua doesn't go so well. 

One thing we don't hear is that Tua is blowing Fitz away at daily practice and we really don't know if Tua is working with Parker all that much thru reps, etc...

 
DeVante Parker was forced from Miami's Week 4 game against the Seahawks with an ankle injury and is questionable to return. 

Parker caught two passes on the Dolphins' opening drive but aggravated his right ankle injury in the process. He got his foot re-taped and is still trying to get loose on the sidelines. He has missed two series so far, but it's possible he actually returns this afternoon. 

Oct 4, 2020, 1:34 PM ET
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DeVante Parker (ankle) returned to the Dolphins' Week 4 game against the Seahawks in the second quarter. 

Parker immediately caught his third and fourth passes after missing a few series. It's the best possible news for the Dolphins — not to mention fantasy players — who had no shot at springing the upset without their No. 1 wideout. The problem, of course, is that Parker's ankle, which we hoped was in the rear-view mirror, remains an issue. Hopefully he can avoid further aggravations this afternoon. 

Oct 4, 2020, 1:49 PM ET
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Gotta be happy with 10 catches and 100+ yards.

Definitely the dominant receiving threat on his team, and they should be in a lot of catch-up game scripts.

 
DeVante Parker caught 2-of-3 targets for 50 yards and a touchdown in the Dolphins' Week 5 demolition of the 49ers. 

It's tempting to call this a disappointing day on an afternoon where Ryan Fitzpatrick threw for 350 yards, but Parker got fantasy managers what they needed with his 22-yard score on sacrificial lamb CB Brian Allen. Promoted from the practice squad and immediately made a starter, Allen could only watch as Parker right ran by him. Preston Williams was the star of the Dolphins' receiver corps this afternoon, but there is no reason to believe he will soon pass Parker, who will remain a locked-in WR2 for next week's date with the pathetic Jets.  

Oct 11, 2020, 7:29 PM ET
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Read on Rotoworld forums that Parker did not play in the 2nd half of the SF game?  There has been no updates from Sunday about that.  Anyone confirm?

 
Moniker said:
People overestimate their ability to draft WRs. Parker is easily worth a mid/late round 1st. 
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Late to the party but I will also add that early 3rd round WR are very close to the same tier as late 1st are and many rebuilders are thrilled to move up.  I'd happily give a 1st for Parker and a 3rd and take a shot on getting a McLaurin/Diontae Johnson there.

 
Had a drop, had a nice catch, injured his groin and was reported to be likely OUT during the 4th Q. 

Not sure what to expect next week, very disappointing day for his FF players

 
DeVante Parker caught just 3-of-8 targets for 35 yards in the Dolphins' Week 6 win over the Jets.

Pretty disappointing final line from Parker on his team-high eight looks. Preston Williams scored again, and Ryan Fitzpatrick's other two touchdowns went to backup tight ends Adam Shaheen and Durham Smythe. Parker's 35 yards are a new season low. But the eight targets were actually tied for his second most in a game. Parker gets a bye before a date with Jalen Ramsey and the Rams in Week 8.

Oct 18, 2020, 7:56 PM ET
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I may not have the luxury to sit him. Cooks on bye. Sanders on Covid list. Goedert may not be back yet (TE counts as WR in my league). Running out of options (unfortunately).

 
Keith1 said:
I may not have the luxury to sit him. Cooks on bye. Sanders on Covid list. Goedert may not be back yet (TE counts as WR in my league). Running out of options (unfortunately).
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Me too, forced to start him in 1 league (also have Unicorn if Parker can't go.) Should be interesting, err, terrifying. 

 
Vs the Rams, the Phins are going to need Parker out there especially with a rookie under center. 

I am considering Higgins in front of Parker but I think overall he'll be just fine as long as he's not injured. Miami is not a great running team so they gotta throw to try and win the game. 

 
DeVante Parker (groin) was limited at Wednesday's practice.

The Dolphins are coming off their bye week, and this is a new ailment for Parker to overcome ahead of Tua Tagovailoa's first start. A previous ankle injury has slowed Parker this season, and he's combined for just five catches for 85 yards over his last two games. Parker likely faces an iso matchup with Jalen Ramsey, if healthy, on Sunday.

Oct 28, 2020, 11:53 PM ET
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Damn. With Godwin out again I was very tempted to roll with Parker this week because I feel like Tua could end up relying on the safety slant a lot,  but this practice update makes me think I need to wait. 

 
foxco said:
Me too, forced to start him in 1 league (also have Unicorn if Parker can't go.) Should be interesting, err, terrifying. 
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What's going on with Preston Williams? Been kind of a non factor post-injury. Thinking Tua maybe Herbertize the offense here, could be good for him. 

 
DeVante Parker (groin) remained "limited" on Thursday. 

We haven't seen any indication this is serious, but it is a new ailment for Parker coming off the Dolphins' bye week. That's never something you like to see, especially since Parker has already been playing at less than 100 percent. Parker is shaping up as a boom/bust WR3 for Week 8 against Jalen Ramsey and the Rams as Tua Tagovailoa makes his first NFL start. 

Oct 29, 2020, 7:53 PM ET
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DeVante Parker caught 1-of-2 targets for a three-yard touchdown in the Dolphins' Week 8 win over the Rams.

Tua Tagovailoa was 12-of-22 for 93 yards and this lone score in his first NFL start. If this is a sign of things to come, this Dolphins pass offense got really uninteresting really fast. Parker will have a date with Patrick Peterson in Week 9. Consider him more of a WR4 moving forward until we see Tua actually do something.

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wgoldsph said:
Gonna have a write up later? I only saw the rz highlights.
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You bet, game thread tomorrow for the Phins should be loaded. 

He put Miami in a terrible spot early and cost Miami 7 points on the fumble strip deep in his own territory and he also squandered a terrific return on kickoff and should have at least advanced it a few yards for a FG attempt, that's 10 points right there. 

I would support Fitz starting next week vs Arizona, Tua is simply not ready. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
You bet, game thread tomorrow for the Phins should be loaded. 

He put Miami in a terrible spot early and cost Miami 7 points on the fumble strip deep in his own territory and he also squandered a terrific return on kickoff and should have at least advanced it a few yards for a FG attempt, that's 10 points right there. 

I would support Fitz starting next week vs Arizona, Tua is simply not ready. 
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I hope that you are correct or Parker has to go to the bench and possibly dropped if desperate for immediate help.   

 
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Preston Williams placed on IR.

Tough break for the kid for the 2nd year in a row, but could lightening strike twice here with Parker down the stretch?

Tua was locked on him once Williams went out, and that was with Peterson in coverage on him. I was ready to shovel dirt on this guy coming into the Phins game last week, but know looks like we might be back in business.

 
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Parker has an excellent RUN ahead of him for the next month. As much as I like Grant getting more targets, the reality is that Parker is going to be thrown to a lot. 

Parker has a chance to be a Top10 WR Weeks 10-13 and perhaps longer if he develops strong chemistry with Tua. 

 
Just watched Tua's highlights from week 9.  I am optimistic about Parker's opportunities moving forward.

-With Preston out, he will have a large target share

-Tua was making his reads and hopefully he will continue to ascend.  Note that none of us are talking about Fitz anymore.  Tua was impressive in week 9

 
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