DocHolliday
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If he can stay on the field. Ā Iām not starting him until he plays a full game again. ĀJohnson might lead the team in receptions. Ā From the over reactions here, my take is buy low especially in PPR.
If he can stay on the field. Ā Iām not starting him until he plays a full game again. ĀJohnson might lead the team in receptions. Ā From the over reactions here, my take is buy low especially in PPR.
At this point there are significant questions about his ability to stay healthy. Itās hard to lead a team in anything from the sidelines.ĀJohnson might lead the team in receptions. Ā From the over reactions here, my take is buy low especially in PPR.
I've honesty never approached my lineup that way. If it were one injury he kept aggravating then maybe I could see it, but right now I don't even view Johnson as injury prone. Just had some fluky bad luck.At this point there are significant questions about his ability to stay healthy. Itās hard to lead a team in anything from the sidelines.Ā
Dynasty heās a great buy. Not ālowā in my league unfortunately because the guy who drafted him is as staunch a believer as anyone in this topic.
For Redraft itās fair to start wondering if he can be trusted. This is the 2nd or 3rd game heās faded with injury? Hard to put that in your lineup in an important game until heās strung together 2-3 healthy appearances.Ā
yeah, butĀ when āflukey bad luckā becomes a trend rather than an exception it makes me a little gun-shy about running that player out again next week. If it happens once it feels like bad luck. Twice and itās really bad luck. The 3rd time I start kicking myself for continuing to run out a guy who canāt finish a game.Ā ĀI've honesty never approached my lineup that way. If it were one injury he kept aggravating then maybe I could see it, but right now I don't even view Johnson as injury prone. Just had some fluky bad luck.
Never said to bench inferior players, Ā but at some point the reality is that a player who can finish a game isnāt inferior to a player who canāt.ĀIf I were ranking in redraft today, I'd still have Johnson as a top-20 WR, and wouldn't be benching him forĀ inferior players, just because he happened to get hurt early in games.Ā
Wait, are we finding ātrendsā in four games samples sizes now? What about whenĀ he played 16 games last season?yeah, butĀ when āflukey bad luckā becomes a trend rather than an exception it makes me a little gun-shy about running that player out again next week. If it happens once it feels like bad luck. Twice and itās really bad luck. The 3rd time I start kicking myself for continuing to run out a guy who canāt finish a game.Ā Ā
Never said to bench inferior players, Ā but at some point the reality is that a player who can finish a game isnāt inferior to a player who canāt.Ā
No. Iām simply saying for this year, heās becoming hard to trust.Wait, are we finding ātrendsā in four games samples sizes now? What about whenĀ he played 16 games last season?
Heās left two games one with a concussion and one with a back injury - drawing any conclusion based on that is poor logic.No. Iām simply saying for this year, heās becoming hard to trust.
Heās now played 1 full game & has left parts of 3 others. One after a 2-week layoff because of last weekās BYE.
If I had a comparable or even slightly lesser option, I might start them over DiJo next week as a āshow meā game.Ā
not saying heāll never stay healthy again or making a sweeping generalization. Just observing the reality that these first 4 games have been. Heās hard to trust right now, with injuries piling up.Ā
Contrary to another poster I would be more, not less concerned about having multiple different injuries. One injury might get better. Several differentĀ ones means several different ones that could recur.Ā
And back injuries scare me in general. They donāt heal as well or as fast & they tend to be susceptibleĀ to recurrence. I donāt know the specifics of DiJoās, but if it was bad enough for him to miss most of the game Iād be a little worried if I were an owner.Ā
The only conclusion Iām drawing is that he hasnāt finished 75% of his games this year.Heās left two games one with a concussion and one with a back injury - drawing any conclusion based on that is poor logic.
?????The only conclusion Iām drawing is that he hasnāt finished 75% of his games this year.
Ā 2 concussions in a 3 game spanĀ
Itās been two out of four. Thatās 50% and you are drawing a conclusion based on that. You literally called it a trend and said you couldnāt start him until he strings 2-3 games together.ĀThe only conclusion Iām drawing is that he hasnāt finished 75% of his games this year.
Seems less like logic and more like math.Ā
And if as a DiJo owner youāre not concerned aboutĀ
1. 2 concussions in a 3 game spanĀ
orĀ
2. a back injuryĀ
youāre not taking the nature of these injuries seriously.
how many concussions can a player have in todayās NFL before they shut him down for the year?Ā
Oops - misread as 2 concussions. He has had 1. I corrected my post: my bad.Ā?????
Just corrected my post. No need to link. Iād misread as 2.Ā Ā He has had 1.ĀPlease provide a link to him suffering two concussions this season.
it literally has been one this season. Since week 1 he hasnāt had a full week of practice due to injuries.You literally called it a trend
Stop. Youāre counting a game where he left for a series but still led his team in targets during that game as one of the games he āmissedā.ĀJust corrected my post. No need to link. Iād misread as 3. He has had 1.Ā
And he left 2 games and didnāt return. The 3rd game he spent portions on the sideline due to injury. It is indeed 3/4.
It supports my contention that heās hard to trust.ĀStop. Youāre counting a game where he left for a series but still led his team in targets during that game as one of the games he āmissedā.Ā
It's a contention based on garbage data.Ā Feel free to keep sticking to your guns here, but it's laughable at this point.It supports my contention that heās hard to trust.
Itās just an opinion.It's a contention based on garbage data.Ā Feel free to keep sticking to your guns here, but it's laughable at this point.
Nah - the fact is that he has a back injury bad enough to knock him out of a game.ĀWe have veryĀ different definitions of āfactā I guess.
Ah, I see what's happening here.Hey, if this is my impression then maybe some owners are thinking the same. Run out and buy low.Ā
Not the owner in my dynasty league - I tried. But that dude is also a Steelers fan, so...yeah.
Not in the slightest. Ā I tried to deal for him last week, and discovered that I had none chance of buying low. So no, I am not trying to trade for him.ĀAh, I see what's happening here.
The old #### On A Player You're Trying To Trade For ploy.Ā Keep on keeping on, my brother.
I made a mistake on the 2 concussions.You have claimed that he did not finishĀ 3 out of 4Ā games and suffered two concussions this season. Neither were true. You obviously had to give in on the concussions because you made it up. But you still stuck to your guns on the 3/4 despite the fact he was āoutā for one series and still lead his team in targets that game.
no, it is my opinion that heās hard to trust. I never claimed that as fact.ĀYou claiming āheās hard to trustā is called an opinion, but you claim itās fact.
Yes. The fact is that Is myĀ opinion.Ā
Positive. You canāt bottle ātrustā - it is notĀ a tangible commodity that can be proved or disproved. Trust is, by nature, opinion-based.You sure?
I did not get a feeling Ben was forcing things to DJ and do not feelĀ as if he's going to cut into Diontae's target load much. DJ is just a much more developed route runner and what little Claypool cuts into his targets I think you'll see benefit of Claypool helping open things up.Let's all be honest, DJ being banged up already this season has opened a huge door for Claypool. All of those targets that Ben seemed to be forcing upon DJ just might not be there (in the same capacity) as a couple of weeks ago.
I think expectations have to be lowered based on that.
Iām playing games with semantics? Thatās hysterical. Sorry I wonāt derail the thread anymore and I think itās clear what happened here.Yes. The fact is that Is myĀ opinion.Ā
youre playing games with semantics here.Ā
Yes - i donāt trust DiJo and you want to make a federal case out of it because heās your mancrush. Completely clear.ĀIām playing games with semantics? Thatās hysterical. Sorry I wonāt derail the thread anymore and I think itās clear what happened here.
agree with this.ĀIn terms dynasty purposes they are going to let JuJu walk and these are you two starting WR's for next few yearsĀ and on that note my main dynasty concern for both of them is QB and it's really my only concern.
Johnson was getting those targets because he's the best route runner, and probably best RAC WR they have. If anything Johnson's week 1-2 numbers should have been better but Ben just missed a couple big plays.Let's all be honest, DJ being banged up already this season has opened a huge door for Claypool. All of those targets that Ben seemed to be forcing upon DJ just might not be there (in the same capacity) as a couple of weeks ago.
I think expectations have to be lowered based on that.
Worth pointing out that Jujuās best 2 games were the full and partial game with DiJo on the field. JJSS accounted for 3 TDs in those 2 games.ĀJohnson was getting those targets because he's the best route runner, and probably best RAC WR they have. If anything Johnson's week 1-2 numbers should have been better but Ben just missed a couple big plays.
Using Claypool for those targets would be a misuse of resources, of both Johnson and Claypool.Ā
While Claypool broke out replacing Johnson, I think the guy in real trouble(assuming Claypool is here to stay, which I think he is, though not to this extent) is JuJu. JuJu isn't doing anthing after the catch, or getting much separation. He's under 10Ā YPC, and hasn't been a target hog, despite Johnson(still the target leader)Ā essentially missing 2 games. JuJu has been TD or bust, and is probably the 3rd best WR on the team.Ā
We've found the common ground.Worth pointing out that Jujuās best 2 games were the full and partial game with DiJo on the field. JJSS accounted for 3 TDs in those 2 games.Ā
I believe Johnsonās presence helps JJSS production, just as JJSS getting defensive attention helped Claypool.Ā
If they can get all 3 healthy itās gonna be fireworks for this offense.Ā
This is true, and Big Ben is the real beneficiary.We've found the common ground.
For the record, I also have a mancrush on DJ. I very reluctantly traded him last week.Yes - i donāt trust DiJo and you want to make a federal case out of it because heās your mancrush. Completely clear.Ā
As everyone knows, I donāt get judgey over mancrushes. Itās part of FF.For the record, I also have a mancrush on DJ. I very reluctantly traded him last week.
I traded both of my mancrushes last week (DJ and Robinson) in a package deal to get Kamara from the Chubb owner (also sent Hunt and received Edmonds and Slayton).As everyone knows, I donāt get judgey over mancrushes. Itās part of FF.
this year itās Calvin Ridley for me. Ā
I've never been a JuJu fan and felt like this was likely after seeing Diontae start to flash last year. I have however heard JuJu might be willing to take a lot less to stay. Depending on how little he's willing to take he might stay with Pittsburgh but it'll still be the Claypool/Diontae show.In terms dynasty purposes they are going to let JuJu walk and these are you two starting WR's for next few yearsĀ and on that note my main dynasty concern for both of them is QB and it's really my only concern.
He did not miss a game last season. Every player is banged up over the course of a season.ĀGuys this isn't a 4 game sample. This is close to a 20 game sample. Diontae was banged up all year last year too. I'm not saying he can't get healthy and learn how to protect himself better I'm just saying it's not totally ridiculous to start thinking he might beĀ injury prone. The evidence is building towards that.Ā
No every player is not banged up like Diontae Johnson was last year. He gutted it out and played through it so that's good but this season is not off to a good start. He has basically touched the ball once or twice and gotten knocked out of a game twice now. I'm going to need to see him touch the ball at least 4 times without breaking to stop this trend.ĀHe did not miss a game last season. Every player is banged up over the course of a season.Ā
1. Not every player is banged up. Not every player keeps their owners guessing with a Q or a ālimited practice, [body part]āĀ every week.ĀHe did not miss a game last season. Every player is banged up over the course of a season.Ā
Exactly. Iām not saying heās injury prone or that heās incapable of getting healthy as a generalization thatās written in stone ala Fragile Fred (delicate Dionte?)Ā - but SO FAR, heās been injury prone & hasnāt been able to get healthy.ĀNo every player is not banged up like Diontae Johnson was last year. He gutted it out and played through it so that's good but this season is not off to a good start. He has basically touched the ball once or twice and gotten knocked out of a game twice now. I'm going to need to see him touch the ball at least 4 times without breaking to stop this trend.Ā
That he has a back injury bad enough that it forced him out of the game, obviously.ĀSo what exactly is the issue?