massraider
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I never owned this guy, but I have a keeper draft coming up, and he might be in play for me.
I don't really see a reason why he isn't in contention for most targets in the entire league this year.
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WR Drake London, ATL (1 Viewer)
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I don't really see a reason why he isn't in contention for most targets in the entire league this year.
TheWinz
Footballguy
I went back 10 years, and the target leader has finished no worse than WR5.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I think he's a little overpriced(I may have stated that elsewhere)
his talent is overrated and there is not guarantee that this offense is going to be a well oiled machine right out of the gate
Pitts is a hard fade for me again as well, 4th year in a row...some hilarious Pitts Memes on Twitter out there re Pitts
his talent is overrated and there is not guarantee that this offense is going to be a well oiled machine right out of the gate
Pitts is a hard fade for me again as well, 4th year in a row...some hilarious Pitts Memes on Twitter out there re Pitts
Just thinking out loud here as someone who does have own London in a few leagues.
What's different about London and Pittman? Cousins vs Richardson? The scheme?
I do have London on quite a few teams but I got to thinking about these two the other day. I think they are fairly similar players, fairly similar statistical output per target with neither finding the end zone very often. Not just saying that because of the USC connection. I'm NOT very big on PIttman, he's going about two rounds after London and I still don't like drafting him and it got me literally asking myself if a McVay coaching tree and Cousins over Richardson justified being so much higher on London then Pittman?
As for him being the leagues target leader? It's not crazy but guys like Pitts and Bijan will be issues. Can't see a reason why Lamb won't be used less. Davante Adams is going to demand the ball so long as he's a Raider. The two #1WR's for the New York teams have major gaps right now in target comp. That's some off the top of my head I'm placing over him but I'd probably come up with more but think a hefty 150 range is in the cards for him.
What's different about London and Pittman? Cousins vs Richardson? The scheme?
I do have London on quite a few teams but I got to thinking about these two the other day. I think they are fairly similar players, fairly similar statistical output per target with neither finding the end zone very often. Not just saying that because of the USC connection. I'm NOT very big on PIttman, he's going about two rounds after London and I still don't like drafting him and it got me literally asking myself if a McVay coaching tree and Cousins over Richardson justified being so much higher on London then Pittman?
As for him being the leagues target leader? It's not crazy but guys like Pitts and Bijan will be issues. Can't see a reason why Lamb won't be used less. Davante Adams is going to demand the ball so long as he's a Raider. The two #1WR's for the New York teams have major gaps right now in target comp. That's some off the top of my head I'm placing over him but I'd probably come up with more but think a hefty 150 range is in the cards for him.
Chaka
Footballguy
Y'know I have never really looked at it that way but, with Robinson as the coordinator and not much as a #2 WR to steal targets I could see London be a target monster.
Pitts is a wild card but, so far he has been underwhelming in his three seasons.
A 1k TE season as a rookie is underwhelming?
Chaka
Footballguy
No. Going from 60.4 yards per game to 35.6 and 39.2 is definitely underwhelming.
He has yet to demonstrate being the matchup nightmare he was advertised to be.
massraider
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Pitts and Bijan could both have good years catching the ball, and London could still have 175 targets.
If the best concern for targets is the TE and a RB, that's kinda making my point regarding path to targets.
Well ok but you said in his three seasons, which includes that year and he's not been healthy the last two seasons.
London's been pretty meh, has not had a season as good as Pitts rookie year and again PItts has some injury excususes(reasons). Jury's out on both of them IMO to see if the scheme/QB propels them but in my world I think Pitts might be as big of a beneficiary of the changes as London.
Yeah feel like London is the poster boy for the overrated 2nd round WRs this year.
I want to believe and he may take a big step up this year, but it seems like this entire offense is priced to perfection.
Arthur Smith gone...Cousins in...to the moon we go.
I think Cousins (and probably Penix too) is a much better passer than Richardson. I also think London is likely more talented than Pittman, when it comes to RAC and getting deep. We don't necessarily have proof that he is, because the offense has been so bad at passing, but I think he went #8 vs round 2 for Pittman, a bit for his RAC ability.
I will say, I'd be very surprised if London was the target leader, but top 10 is doable. I think, like you said, Lamb is probably the favorite, with the others up there too, I think Jefferson/Amon-Ra stay up around 10 a game as well.
I too have London about 2 rounds ahead Pittman. I think the word is out on London, and he's going higher than I'd take him now (Adams has been my WR in that area lately) so I doubt I end up with London or Pittman in any drafts now.
I like London a whole lot more than Pittman.
London's calling card is the catch radius. hes very much like Harrison in the sense that both players will adjust to the ball catch passes that are off target even outmuscling the DB when the DB is in a better position to catch the ball. This is the most impressive skillset of both these players.
London is maybe not quite as good at gaining separation but he more than makes up for it with his ability to fight for the football. he and Harrison dont miss out on those 50-50 balls very often (which is why they were both highly regarded in their draft year)
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Prolly get blasted, but its my opinion and I'm sticking to it until someone changes my mind. Ha ha
Never had a 1000 yard season. Has averaged 53 yards a game for his career. Has 6 career tds in 2 seasons. 6. Now he is gonna lead the league in targets? Now he is this alpha wr1? Because of Cousins? The scheme? He was just okay statistically in high school. He was just okay statistically in college. Now he is gonna eat statistically in the NFL? I think he is solid and has the talent to be good, but he is being drafted like he already is. I was on the clock and took Metcalf over him. Time will tell.
Never had a 1000 yard season. Has averaged 53 yards a game for his career. Has 6 career tds in 2 seasons. 6. Now he is gonna lead the league in targets? Now he is this alpha wr1? Because of Cousins? The scheme? He was just okay statistically in high school. He was just okay statistically in college. Now he is gonna eat statistically in the NFL? I think he is solid and has the talent to be good, but he is being drafted like he already is. I was on the clock and took Metcalf over him. Time will tell.
I wouldnt say hes an alpha. but fantasy is a different beast. because of his catch radius, he should be a red zone beast if the QB can put the ball where he needs to. the QB play in Atlanta has been bad at best. but Cousins is a bit of a technician and will put the football exactly where it needs to be.
I'm not predicting huge yardage, but I am predicting at least 100-200 yards more based on the better QB and a lot more TD. its the TD that makes him a very good fantasy option moreso than the yardage.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Well said. Tds are just so hard to predict snd it's not like he has been a big TD guy even going back to high school. I can see 8. 1000 yards. Meh.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This is pretty much where I'm at. Some seem to think situation/QB doesn't make a big difference but it does. Similar to a RB moving to a better offense.
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
This was my take on it as well (it's also my argument for Darnell Mooney), but more importantly my friend asks me today if he should draft Drake London or Davante Adams. I didn't even think it was close, Davante Adams is a HOFer. A few minutes later he tells me he drafted Drake London over him.
I was surprised, but I was even more surprised when I saw that Marvin Harrison Jr is going as the WR9 - WR 11. So two of the Top 10ish WR (Drake London and Marvin Harrison Jr) are players who have never produced as Top 10 WR? Yeah, that seems like a non-risky way to
Give me Brandon Aiyuk, Jaylen Waddle, Chris Olave, Nico Collins, and DJ Moore over both those guys. I can make arguments for all those guys to get 1,300 and an equivalent amount of TD. Crazy that people are assuming both these guys (one being a rookie) are just going to skate pass the proven WR on the board. They should be much closer to Mike Evans at WR15 than Davante Adams at WR10. People seem to be VERY CONFUSED on what to do in the 2nd Round this year so they are stretching on "upside guys".
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Chaka
Footballguy
His final season was cut to eight games because of Covid. He was putting up 135 yards & 0.88 TD/game.
The numbers would look a lot sexier if it was 1,755 & 15 (13 game season pace) but that's what he was doing. That's a lot better than just "okay".
He's got the frame for it and the basketball skills, but at this point it's more of an idea or a theory that he'd project as a high TD players.
Even in college he was not a huge TD guy. Part of why I think continue to think he's pretty similar to Pittman.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Love it. Didn't know that. Stupid covid.
Chaka
Footballguy
Forget the round, how many receivers were taken before him?
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
This makes way more sense than his ADP of WR10 I am seeing. Thanks for sharing.
Chaka
Footballguy
Been a pet peeve of mine for years...oh goodness, do I mean decades? I do.
Oh man...
-jb-
Footballguy
Yep. I had written him off at ADP, but was still there at the 34th pick. Grabbed him and have a nice WR crew headed into week 1 (Chase, Waddle)
well, what sold me in his draft year I looked at some of the tape on him. while he wasnt gaining the separation I wanted to see, he more than made up for it with his catch radius. DB could have been all over him and flag or no flag, he was the one coming up with the ball.
it obviously has at least to some degree carried forward into the NFL. he got 900 yards last year. TD were low, but the offense as a whole didnt score a ton of TD so I think thats more a function of being in a bad offense.
change to Kirk Cousins, I see the yardage going over 1000 and TD's ramping up across the board. (not just him. Everyone in that offense) Thats what I'm expecting to see. and cousins is an accurate thrower. in theory he could pick a spot on the field, throw it there and London will just fight the DB for the ball and get it. should be automatic with his skillset.
massraider
Footballguy
I'm open to the idea he's good, but not great.
But I just can't shake the feeling that things have aligned for him to be underrated.
He was NOT an analytics darling coming out of college. Copy/Paste Keon Coleman discussions, that's what I remember. 50/50 guy, etc. Since his arrival, absurdly bad QB play. That's over two y ears that people in fantasy sphere haven't really been excited about him. Good luck finding a Drake London truther.
Yet he has put up decent numbers, and you really haven't heard a bad word about him. Camp reports this year are glowing. The college red flags are as relevant as an NFL preseason game now.
His reception perception profile
Look at the routes he killed on. Possession stuff, high target stuff. I had no idea. I was thinking his stuff was all intermediate and long.
And they indoors
and it's a weak division.
Tell you what, if I thought London was not a true stud WR1, then Kyle Pitts is the steal of the draft.
But I just can't shake the feeling that things have aligned for him to be underrated.
He was NOT an analytics darling coming out of college. Copy/Paste Keon Coleman discussions, that's what I remember. 50/50 guy, etc. Since his arrival, absurdly bad QB play. That's over two y ears that people in fantasy sphere haven't really been excited about him. Good luck finding a Drake London truther.
Yet he has put up decent numbers, and you really haven't heard a bad word about him. Camp reports this year are glowing. The college red flags are as relevant as an NFL preseason game now.
His reception perception profile
Look at the routes he killed on. Possession stuff, high target stuff. I had no idea. I was thinking his stuff was all intermediate and long.
And they just added Kirk Cousins, who bangs out 4,000 yard seasons in his sleep (how does he get 4,000, without both Pitts/London going bonkers??)
And they indoors
and it's a weak division.
Tell you what, if I thought London was not a true stud WR1, then Kyle Pitts is the steal of the draft.
I like Pitts a lot this year too.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
saw the same things you did when i watched some tape - didn't think he was a great route runner, not a lot of separation. however he's very good at contested catches and has strong hands, which may even things out a bit.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
A great video that emphasizes London’s ability to separate as well as how his route strengths align perfectly with what Cousin’s does well along with how the new offensive coordinator used Puka last year (who has a similar route strength to London). I think London is one of those players on the outside of the obvious selections to finish as WR1 that could contend for that spot this year due to the stars aligning in multiple categories.When I want receiver information, I go with Matt Harmon:
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He's pretty big on him.
You think he can finish as THE WR1, or a WR1?A great video that emphasizes London’s ability to separate as well as how his route strengths align perfectly with what Cousin’s does well along with how the new offensive coordinator used Puka last year (who has a similar route strength to London). I think London is one of those players on the outside of the obvious selections to finish as WR1 that could contend for that spot this year due to the stars aligning in multiple categories.When I want receiver information, I go with Matt Harmon:
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He's pretty big on him.
that (for me) is the great equalizer. more effective route running can be taught. but that instinct to fight for the ball and the catch radius. you can only teach so much. either you have it, or you dont. but this is the kind of guy who should be a red zone beast if he has the type of QB to take advantage. to date, his QB play has been crappy. I have to believe with Cousins in there he gets a healthy bump to what he got last year. especially in the TD's
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I need some help convincing myself to like London. Everyone around the world seems to be uber high on him, but I am finding myself being the opposite.
Banger
Footballguy
watch this (posted a few posts up)....it does the best job of explaining why he might be a fantasy hit. I snagged him in one draft and am not sold but hopeful he can take the next step.
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Footballguy
I came in here to post the same thing. My friend who is really good at fantasy (consistently wins championships, sends me trades where he's ripping people off, etc) really likes London. I can't say I've watched many Falcons games, but based on his tutelage alone I am going to draft Drake London in the 2nd Round in my big league next week. I draft at 1.09.
If you want to make an argument for him, he had 69 / 905 / 2 TD last year with probably the worst QB in the league. Kirk Cousins should at least be average to good as he's always been. Kirk can easily get him 25-35 more catches if everything breaks right and possibly up to 8 more TD. Falcons only threw for 3,775 Yards / 17 TD last season. Kirk was on pace to throw for 36 TD last year and has accumulated the following in his last 8 healthy seasons (in reverse chronological order):
29 (MIN), 33 (MIN), 35 (MIN), 26 (MIN), 30 (MIN), 27 (WAS), 25 (WAS), 29 (WAS)
When you run the numbers, there's enough meat on the bone to justify his ADP. I didn't see it at first, but it's not a stretch to think Kirk can get him somewhere around 95 / 1,250 / 12 TD in a best case scenario type situation. Maybe I'm even underselling it a little bit, but I don't remember the last time Kirk Cousins' #1 WR wasn't a fantasy stud. You can make an argument for him if you want to. I was the same with Brandon Aiyuk last year, I made a bunch of excuses not to draft him, but after so many smart people told me to take him. I took him and never felt more rewarded for putting aside my ego.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Okay, you see that too. I thought I was the only one.
-jb-
Footballguy
all of the YT links show up in German for me. No clue why. @FBG Moderator
massraider
Footballguy
You have to say Herr @FBG Moderator now, I think
eighsse2
Footballguy
I'm getting that too. I believe it is just a generic YouTube tagline though. Not anything about the video.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
As someone who was stationed in Germany for years this thread is giving me PTSD. Ha ha
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
We’ve been getting the same thing in FFA music threads for several weeks
I figure it is payback for the “Lies About Hitler” thread from 12+ years ago
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Getting quite German up in here.
