WR Elijah Moore, BUF (2 Viewers)

[rockaction]

Huh. The Jets have no reason to trade him. Unusual request from an understandable personal standpoint, but this seems selfish and ill-timed.

I get it, though. Guys need to start looking out for their second contracts right away in this league. That's the nature of it these days. They see guys making $71 million for three years and they want that, too. That's a lot of money on the table, and only production gets that money.

It's no accident he's friends with AJ Brown. Brown was chirping about money during his first year, too. That's just the way it is now.

 

[rockaction]

And I said in the Jets thread that when Wilson came back, as a metaphor, that the team would be reading at a Melville level while he was still stuck on young adult fiction. It's only his sixteenth game in the NFL so far. He doesn't even have a year under his belt. The coaches aren't having him take the SATs yet, never mind the MCATs.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Bump Garrett Wilson!

 

[The Big Donkey]

K.Toney for E. Moore, the guys don't even have to move!

 

[zamboni]

It's no accident he's friends with AJ Brown. Brown was chirping about money during his first year, too. That's just the way it is now.

Moore, AJ Brown and Metcalf all on the 2018 Ole Miss roster. Lot of prima to go with that donna.

 

[dickey moe]

K.Toney for E. Moore, the guys don't even have to move!

Drafted both those guys on one of my teams this year and dropped them both.

 

[Moonlight]

Jets early season success would seem to suggest that they will hold onto Moore for the present. He's a starter and needed depth and he is talented. He had opportunities in week 5 game that didn't convert. Not getting a single target stings but its one week.

Will probably smooth his bruised ego by designing a few early game passes to go his direction. But Moore is putting himself ahead of team and disrupting momentum. Time to address a trade is in the off season if he's still unhappy.

 

[Chemical X]

elijah doolittle is my nickname here. if his besty is aj brown, than he needs to find a new besty, cause this advise was brutal on so many levels. honestly, i hope they make him inactive the rest of the year. i’ll eat his pick loss given the 2022 draft class. send a message to this team that no matter who you are and your draft number, you are expendable.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Almost hurts himself with the ability to play inside or outside. If he was strictly slot I feel like he would be destroying it, but from what I have read he has been playing primarily outside. With the running game working and Zack being essentially a rookie in a conservative offense I do not see things changing much this season. I am sure some teams had a first round grade on him so maybe you make a move if someone is willing to pay the price. Young team playing well does not need a distraction. You run the risk of setting a bad precedent but if someone is willing to pay a premium it may be best for the team.

 

[Skipdog77]

K.Toney for E. Moore, the guys don't even have to move!

Plus side is that Toney will know exactly where the trainer's room is already. Win-Win.

 

[The Dude]

Bears and Panthers should be calling

 

[King of the Jungle]

Bears and Panthers should be calling

Either would be a good punishment for his behavior.

 

[Chemical X]

For reference, here’s some quotes attributed to One of the Jets’ Michael Carters after they drafted Breece Hall….obviously the RB.

Carter insisted Wednesday he's glad the Jets snagged a playmaking running back like Hall, even if that means less of a workload for himself.
"What am I going to do?" Carter said with a laugh. via the New York Post. "I'm happy that we got him. It's not like I'm like, [looking angry], 'Oh my god.' I'm happy. He's a great player and I'm trying to win."

"There's enough for all of us to eat, you know what I mean?" Carter said. "With the amount of plays that we run during the game, we can all eat. Obviously, Breece is a good player. I have nothing but respect for him. He works hard and he asks questions. He's not afraid to ask questions. He's not afraid to mess up right now. He understands that it's a marathon and not a sprint. It's really cool to have him in the room.

 

[The Dude]

Not sure why everyone is so down on him for his statement. He's a you guy and the jets have been wasting his time this year. He should be building on last year.

 

[Drake Hater]

Selfish and ill-timed is a strategy that can pay off for WRs. The guy is no Toney. He has to be careful what he wishes for of course but it's a gamble he's willing to take.

 

[Chemical X]

Not sure why everyone is so down on him for his statement. He's a you guy and the jets have been wasting his time this year. He should be building on last year.

down on him cause you come out during a 3 game winning streak where your team is coming off of 23 and 17 point wins? does moore understand how games work? when teams are winning they run the ball, eat the clock and don’t generally throw deep balls to an unproven wr with a qb making his 15th nfl start or so.

he comes off as a guy that would rather lose with numbers than win. that’s a bad look for anyone. no surprise with buddies like metcalf and brown in his ear.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Not sure why everyone is so down on him for his statement. He's a you guy and the jets have been wasting his time this year. He should be building on last year.

down on him cause you come out during a 3 game winning streak where your team is coming off of 23 and 17 point wins? does moore understand how games work? when teams are winning they run the ball, eat the clock and don’t generally throw deep balls to an unproven wr with a qb making his 15th nfl start or so.

he comes off as a guy that would rather lose with numbers than win. that’s a bad look for anyone. no surprise with buddies like metcalf and brown in his ear.

I agree with Brown but Metcalf seems like a team first guy. He could have demanded a trade knowing he was going into the season with Geno/Lock throwing him the ball but he wanted to stay in Seattle. I cannot blame him for wanting to get paid but he certainly didn’t come off as a distraction nor was he criticizing his own team.

 

[wlwiles]

Somebody is gonna get the Surtain treatment this week. If the Jets want to put Moore in the corner for this game to think about what he's done, they might as well sacrifice him to Surtain Island. If PS shadows Wilson or Davis then Moore is in line for more work/targets, which makes him happy, improving the whole situation. Benching him this week and then letting PS erase another WR seems like the dumb move.

 

[Boston]

WR is definitely the Diva position in today's NFL but there should be a rule that you can't act like one until you have had at least one year with more than 600 yards.

 

[phandango]

https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1583467080195616768?s=46&t=M51buhO7oxKny6zJVuz2Og

He's not playing Sunday.

 

[Moniker]

elijah doolittle is my nickname here. if his besty is aj brown, than he needs to find a new besty, cause this advise was brutal on so many levels. honestly, i hope they make him inactive the rest of the year. i’ll eat his pick loss given the 2022 draft class. send a message to this team that no matter who you are and your draft number, you are expendable.

Yeah. Let's waste a second round pick in order to send a message that drives away good free agents

 

[baymen]

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Targets (first 17 games of career): Elijah Moore: 106 Cooper Kupp: 105 Stephon Diggs: 103 Tyreek Hill: 89 Davante Adams: 71 #Jets


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[Kiddnets]

elijah doolittle is my nickname here. if his besty is aj brown, than he needs to find a new besty, cause this advise was brutal on so many levels. honestly, i hope they make him inactive the rest of the year. i’ll eat his pick loss given the 2022 draft class. send a message to this team that no matter who you are and your draft number, you are expendable.

Yeah. Let's waste a second round pick in order to send a message that drives away good free agents

or let's let a player who hasnt even played in a full seasons worth of games, accomplished barely anything by NFL standards and has 2.5 yrs left on a contract become a huge distraction during the 1st 3 game winning streak in years as he only cares about his stats. If a FA stays away based on that then its someone I dont want to sign.

 

[Chemical X]

elijah doolittle is my nickname here. if his besty is aj brown, than he needs to find a new besty, cause this advise was brutal on so many levels. honestly, i hope they make him inactive the rest of the year. i’ll eat his pick loss given the 2022 draft class. send a message to this team that no matter who you are and your draft number, you are expendable.

Yeah. Let's waste a second round pick in order to send a message that drives away good free agents

take a look at their historic 2nds, all have been a waste anyway. and FAs hardly care about elijah doolittle. in the nfl they chase money and don’t care who pays it. jets have had no problem getting FAs. you pay the most, they come. i’d love to have him, but can win without him. he has no value right now anyway, so play him to get value back and possibly alienate the locker room or sit him and during the off-season see if their is a dummy that will pay a 3 or 4 rounder. i mean, it’s not like he’s done anything in his 17!!!!! games.

 

[Moniker]

elijah doolittle is my nickname here. if his besty is aj brown, than he needs to find a new besty, cause this advise was brutal on so many levels. honestly, i hope they make him inactive the rest of the year. i’ll eat his pick loss given the 2022 draft class. send a message to this team that no matter who you are and your draft number, you are expendable.

Yeah. Let's waste a second round pick in order to send a message that drives away good free agents

or let's let a player who hasnt even played in a full seasons worth of games, accomplished barely anything by NFL standards and has 2.5 yrs left on a contract become a huge distraction during the 1st 3 game winning streak in years as he only cares about his stats. If a FA stays away based on that then its someone I dont want to sign.

elijah doolittle is my nickname here. if his besty is aj brown, than he needs to find a new besty, cause this advise was brutal on so many levels. honestly, i hope they make him inactive the rest of the year. i’ll eat his pick loss given the 2022 draft class. send a message to this team that no matter who you are and your draft number, you are expendable.

Yeah. Let's waste a second round pick in order to send a message that drives away good free agents

take a look at their historic 2nds, all have been a waste anyway. and FAs hardly care about elijah doolittle. in the nfl they chase money and don’t care who pays it. jets have had no problem getting FAs. you pay the most, they come. i’d love to have him, but can win without him. he has no value right now anyway, so play him to get value back and possibly alienate the locker room or sit him and during the off-season see if their is a dummy that will pay a 3 or 4 rounder. i mean, it’s not like he’s done anything in his 17!!!!! games.

You two both must be Jets fans. You're overly connected to this. He's not a 'huge distraction' - he asked for a trade. He has plenty of value right now - you're just mad that he doesn't want to play for your team. Take a step back. The guy is talented and isn't being used. He's already seen Mims sent to nowhereland after having a great pre-season past his injuries. He wants nothing to do with it and I don't blame him.

 

[Balco]

If Jets brass feels like Moore is not a fit for the culture - they should act immediately because there are a ton of teams that will be interested in Moore. Probably won’t get offered a second but I’m sure teams would do a 3rd and maybe a later pick.

I think Moore should play exclusively in the slot and has immense talent. Wish the Packers would try to trade for the two Moores - DJ and Elijah. Both have immense talent but both are suffering from poor qbs.

 

[foxco]

K.Toney for E. Moore, the guys don't even have to move!

Toney trying to pass a physical for the Jets should be a pay-per-view.

 

[Chemical X]

If Jets brass feels like Moore is not a fit for the culture - they should act immediately because there are a ton of teams that will be interested in Moore. Probably won’t get offered a second but I’m sure teams would do a 3rd and maybe a later pick.

I think Moore should play exclusively in the slot and has immense talent. Wish the Packers would try to trade for the two Moores - DJ and Elijah. Both have immense talent but both are suffering from poor qbs.

i don’t get the poor qb take on z wilson right now. he’s played 3 games this year and last year when wilson played moore had a pretty good stretch if i recall. flacco threw the ball around the field the first games of the year and moore wasn’t weeping then publicly. when you win, game script changes and you run the ball when leading. what am i missing here guys? wilson has thrown the ball 40 times combined the last 2 weeks because the jets have won by a combined 40 points. should they feed doolittle the ball when up by 3 scores? yes, he has value, but early second round value? teams know he is a disgruntled goat and likely feel the jets have no leverage, so i doubt they are getting 2nd round offers. offer me a 2 and i’ll drive him wherever he wants to go, but i’m not dealing him for a 5th. if the team was 1-5, wilson stunk and moore wasn’t involved, ok you can gripe, but they are 4-2, wilson is 3-0 and moore needs to get better advise on gripe timing.

 

[King of the Jungle]

elijah doolittle is my nickname here. if his besty is aj brown, than he needs to find a new besty, cause this advise was brutal on so many levels. honestly, i hope they make him inactive the rest of the year. i’ll eat his pick loss given the 2022 draft class. send a message to this team that no matter who you are and your draft number, you are expendable.

Yeah. Let's waste a second round pick in order to send a message that drives away good free agents

take a look at their historic 2nds, all have been a waste anyway. and FAs hardly care about elijah doolittle. in the nfl they chase money and don’t care who pays it. jets have had no problem getting FAs. you pay the most, they come. i’d love to have him, but can win without him. he has no value right now anyway, so play him to get value back and possibly alienate the locker room or sit him and during the off-season see if their is a dummy that will pay a 3 or 4 rounder. i mean, it’s not like he’s done anything in his 17!!!!! games.

Let’s not pretend Moore didn’t play very well for a six game stretch his rookie year. Unfortunately he got injured which derailed what probably would have ended up being a very impressive first season. Many had high hopes for him this season and analytics show he is getting open but not being targeted. He has value whether it is for the Jets or another team.

 

[menobrown]

Probably won’t get offered a second but I’m sure teams would do a 3rd and maybe a later pick.

I would think they could get multiple teams offering a second for him and if not for his recent actions scaring some teams off I'd think multiple teams would offer a first.

 

[The Dude]

I think you are all making too big a deal of his "actions" - he's looking to get paid in a few years and the Jets are bringing down his value

 

[menobrown]

I think you are all making too big a deal of his "actions" - he's looking to get paid in a few years and the Jets are bringing down his value

I understand his frustrations but the earliest his contract can be extended is after the 2023 season. He had plenty of time to improve his numbers but if he was concerned about bring down his value he just pulled off a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[massraider]

Wondering why someone would say they want off the Jets? Are people wondering?

They are winning? Come on. How long you expect that to keep up?

There's much evidence that this team is a mess.

 

[Chemical X]

Probably won’t get offered a second but I’m sure teams would do a 3rd and maybe a later pick.

I would think they could get multiple teams offering a second for him and if not for his recent actions scaring some teams off I'd think multiple teams would offer a first.

a first? based on what exactly? if someone offers a 1st, jets would be crazy not to take it.

 

[menobrown]

Probably won’t get offered a second but I’m sure teams would do a 3rd and maybe a later pick.

I would think they could get multiple teams offering a second for him and if not for his recent actions scaring some teams off I'd think multiple teams would offer a first.

a first? based on what exactly? if someone offers a 1st, jets would be crazy not to take it.

What I wrote was that they could have got 1's for him BEFORE his recent actions which are a major turnoff. Maybe they still can but I'm not remotely confident of that any longer.

As to why that's pretty simple stuff man. He's 22, he was drafted as pick 34, almost a first rounder. A lot of WR's bust and he already showed last year he can play at a high level in the NFL. In other words from the time he got drafted until this blow up his value was UP and I don't think that's really open to a lot of debate. His contract pays him a total of $4.2m for the 21 through end of the 23 season at a time when WR's like Kirk are getting 4X that annually. He's got inside/outside versatility, coveted speed, fits really into any scheme. Easy 1+ value before he torched his value.

 

[Chemical X]

Probably won’t get offered a second but I’m sure teams would do a 3rd and maybe a later pick.

I would think they could get multiple teams offering a second for him and if not for his recent actions scaring some teams off I'd think multiple teams would offer a first.

a first? based on what exactly? if someone offers a 1st, jets would be crazy not to take it.

What I wrote was that they could have got 1's for him BEFORE his recent actions which are a major turnoff. Maybe they still can but I'm not remotely confident of that any longer.

As to why that's pretty simple stuff man. He's 22, he was drafted as pick 34, almost a first rounder. A lot of WR's bust and he already showed last year he can play at a high level in the NFL. In other words from the time he got drafted until this blow up his value was UP and I don't think that's really open to a lot of debate. His contract pays him a total of $4.2m for the 21 through end of the 23 season at a time when WR's like Kirk are getting 4X that annually. He's got inside/outside versatility, coveted speed, fits really into any scheme. Easy 1+ value before he torched his value.

we’re gonna have to disagree here. some recent players dealt for #1 picks are mack, t hill, diggs, adams, fitzpatrick, j ramsey, a cooper, obj…….obviously money and contract is a factor, but if 1s get you those types of talents, how is moore bringing back a 1?

 

[menobrown]

we’re gonna have to disagree here.

Yeah

 

[Chemical X]

we’re gonna have to disagree here.

Yeah

question, you are the GM of the Packers. You would move your 2023 1 for Moore? that’s kind of what you are saying……

now look, many guys get moved for 1s, but here’s maybe something in moore’s draft slot and salary:

The Ravens moved to get back into the first round, sending wide receiver Marquise Brown -- their first-round pick in 2019 -- to the Cardinals for Arizona's first-round pick (No. 23) and a fourth-rounder (No. 100). Brown was the No. 25 pick for the Ravens in 2019 and caught 91 passes for 1,008 yards and six touchdowns for Baltimore last season. so me, as the packer owner says…..if brown, coming off that season is worth a 1 and 4, how is moore with 17 games played worth a 1 that might be around #20 overall?

i’ll hang up and listen……

 

[Kiddnets]

elijah doolittle is my nickname here. if his besty is aj brown, than he needs to find a new besty, cause this advise was brutal on so many levels. honestly, i hope they make him inactive the rest of the year. i’ll eat his pick loss given the 2022 draft class. send a message to this team that no matter who you are and your draft number, you are expendable.

Yeah. Let's waste a second round pick in order to send a message that drives away good free agents

or let's let a player who hasnt even played in a full seasons worth of games, accomplished barely anything by NFL standards and has 2.5 yrs left on a contract become a huge distraction during the 1st 3 game winning streak in years as he only cares about his stats. If a FA stays away based on that then its someone I dont want to sign.

elijah doolittle is my nickname here. if his besty is aj brown, than he needs to find a new besty, cause this advise was brutal on so many levels. honestly, i hope they make him inactive the rest of the year. i’ll eat his pick loss given the 2022 draft class. send a message to this team that no matter who you are and your draft number, you are expendable.

Yeah. Let's waste a second round pick in order to send a message that drives away good free agents

take a look at their historic 2nds, all have been a waste anyway. and FAs hardly care about elijah doolittle. in the nfl they chase money and don’t care who pays it. jets have had no problem getting FAs. you pay the most, they come. i’d love to have him, but can win without him. he has no value right now anyway, so play him to get value back and possibly alienate the locker room or sit him and during the off-season see if their is a dummy that will pay a 3 or 4 rounder. i mean, it’s not like he’s done anything in his 17!!!!! games.

You two both must be Jets fans. You're overly connected to this. He's not a 'huge distraction' - he asked for a trade. He has plenty of value right now - you're just mad that he doesn't want to play for your team. Take a step back. The guy is talented and isn't being used. He's already seen Mims sent to nowhereland after having a great pre-season past his injuries. He wants nothing to do with it and I don't blame him.

Yes Im a Jets fan - but regardless - complaining about targets and demanding a trade after your team wins 3 in a row for the 1st time in a decade is a big distraction. I truly dont care if he takes another snap for the Jets. He is out of line and Im fine with him being benched. For a franchise thats been as bad as the Jets I value winning and culture more than his talent.

As for Mims - I can tell you this - the guy has had plenty of chances to move up the depth chart. They were literally signing guys from off the street and Mims still played terrible. The guy had a decent preseason and now he is being buried? He's had his chances - and ironically this may give him another one.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Bump Garrett Wilson!

Eh... I wouldn't get too excited. Moore didn't play last week and Wilson had 5 targets with 1 reception.

 

[menobrown]

Bump Garrett Wilson!

Eh... I wouldn't get too excited. Moore didn't play last week and Wilson had 5 targets with 1 reception.

That someone would think this is kind of why he's upset.

 

[menobrown]

question, you are the GM of the Packers. You would move your 2023 1 for Moore?

Before this I could not have made that trade any sooner if I as the Packers GM and yes I'd put a much higher value on him then I would have Marquise Brown.

But now I'm not so sure. A second sure but the attitude is a major turn off.

I said this before and as easily as I can say this he was pick 34 and before this issue cropped up I just can't imagine anyone who thinks his value had not increased based on his on the field play, explosion of WR market and suddenly soft looking 2023 WR draft class.

For the Jets it really makes no sense to draft a guy at 34, have him play great before he got hurt, and then suddenly want to jump at a future late first. I'm not sure they'd even do it now, tend to think they would not.

 

[Chemical X]

question, you are the GM of the Packers. You would move your 2023 1 for Moore?

Before this I could not have made that trade any sooner if I as the Packers GM and yes I'd put a much higher value on him then I would have Marquise Brown.

But now I'm not so sure. A second sure but the attitude is a major turn off.

I said this before and as easily as I can say this he was pick 34 and before this issue cropped up I just can't imagine anyone who thinks his value had not increased based on his on the field play, explosion of WR market and suddenly soft looking 2023 WR draft class.

For the Jets it really makes no sense to draft a guy at 34, have him play great before he got hurt, and then suddenly want to jump at a future late first. I'm not sure they'd even do it now, tend to think they would not.

you value moore higher than marquise? elijah moore?

 

[phandango]

Elijah Moore had a fine rookie season before getting injured, and, coming into the season, his main limiting factor was Zach Wilson. I don't really think there was much of a question that he has the physical tools to succeed in the NFL. I agree with Meno that, before Moore showed he might be a head case, I could see a team paying a 1st for him. The thing with draft picks is that you're making an educated guess that a player who succeeds in college will also be good at the NFL level. Moore already showed that last season, with Wilson and backup QBs throwing to him. He's only on the second year of a four-year rookie deal. If you're a GM, you're saying, "I can use this first-round pick on someone I've never seen play at the NFL level, hope he's good, and keep him for at least five years, or I could use it on a WR I know to be pretty good, possibly great, and who would be on a cheap contract through 2024." I think there are GMs willing to make that bet.

 

[higgins]

question, you are the GM of the Packers. You would move your 2023 1 for Moore?

Before this I could not have made that trade any sooner if I as the Packers GM and yes I'd put a much higher value on him then I would have Marquise Brown.

But now I'm not so sure. A second sure but the attitude is a major turn off.

I said this before and as easily as I can say this he was pick 34 and before this issue cropped up I just can't imagine anyone who thinks his value had not increased based on his on the field play, explosion of WR market and suddenly soft looking 2023 WR draft class.

For the Jets it really makes no sense to draft a guy at 34, have him play great before he got hurt, and then suddenly want to jump at a future late first. I'm not sure they'd even do it now, tend to think they would not.

you value moore higher than marquise? elijah moore?

I do

 

[SayWhat?]

question, you are the GM of the Packers. You would move your 2023 1 for Moore?

Before this I could not have made that trade any sooner if I as the Packers GM and yes I'd put a much higher value on him then I would have Marquise Brown.

But now I'm not so sure. A second sure but the attitude is a major turn off.

I said this before and as easily as I can say this he was pick 34 and before this issue cropped up I just can't imagine anyone who thinks his value had not increased based on his on the field play, explosion of WR market and suddenly soft looking 2023 WR draft class.

For the Jets it really makes no sense to draft a guy at 34, have him play great before he got hurt, and then suddenly want to jump at a future late first. I'm not sure they'd even do it now, tend to think they would not.

you value moore higher than marquise? elijah moore?

I do

And with Elijah Moore on a rookie deal? Easily Elijah over Marquise.

 

[rockaction]

There's much evidence that this team is a mess.

There's absolutely no evidence this team is any worse than it was under Gase, and all the evidence points to a hell of a lot better.

Not sure where you're getting this take. It's utterly nonsensical, in the truest sense of nonsensical. All the evidence points to a major, major turnaround in front office culture and team play. Woody even supports the Ukraine!

You know what the reality of this is, and I'll say it here: He's getting outplayed by Braxton Berrios and the Jets are a new meritocracy. Doesn't matter about previous stuff or draft position - winning is what matters. Moore has seen the writing on the wall and so have the Jets -- that's why he's not playing this week. They'd be smart to get a early second or first back for him. See ya, Elijah!

 

[rockaction]

And I said in the Jets thread and this one -- I get why he's chirping. He wants that second contract, which is based on production. If you don't get one, you're faced with prove-it deals the whole rest of your career.

That said, it's a bad look for him, and hurts the team. Ship out the malcontent for a first if you can get it, for a second maybe. Don't forget, this is pick number thirty-four who has already proven his worth at the NFL level. Somebody surely could use that.

But someone in here said a third. That's nuts. No way. I'd keep the malcontent over benefitting another team while hurting the team. Whither the rookie contract advantage in that scenario?

 

[massraider]

There's absolutely no evidence this team is any worse than it was under Gase, and all the evidence points to a hell of a lot better.

Not sure where you're getting this take

I don't have a take. I'm disagreeing with the take that the Jets are suddenly a team you don't walk out on because they're on the rise. They're getting a bit ahead of ourselves. Quite a bit.

I agree things are much better under Gase. But they haven't proven anything, and have decades of history that's not good.
What if Elijah Moore simply doesn't think Wilson will be any good?

 

[rockaction]

I'm disagreeing with the take that the Jets are suddenly a team you don't walk out on because they're on the rise

That's totally different and a more cautious sentiment than "there's much evidence that this team is a mess."

The Jets are a historical mess, right? Aside from the Super Bowl in '69, a run in the eighties, a run in the nineties and aughts, and back to back AFC Championship appearances in the last decade, this hasn't been a team that's had a real run of success. Or do those last sentences lead to a different conclusion?

I think they point one in the direction that the Jets as a historical mess is as much a media creation/narrative as it is reality. Are the Johnsons dipshits? Probably. Have they gotten it wrong lots of times? Probably. They also got it right back in '10-'11 when they were indeed better than the Pats and going to those aforementioned AFC Championship Games. There are franchises with less success than that, for sure. One thinks of the Browns, for example. Or the Chargers, really. Why don't players just up and leave those franchises?

And to your point -- this team is a bit different, and there's no evidence of it being a mess. And it's not just 4-2 and some ***-kickings doing the talking. It's the competent GM. It's a competent coach. It's the owners backing off a bit. It's even establishments like PFF and The Athletic recognizing the job that's been done and the position they're in. Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders/ESPN fame just penned an article asking if the Jets were the third-best team in the AFC. Clickbait? You decide.

I'll just say that if Moore is asking out because of history, that's his problem. I get it, really. Guys want to get paid and are doing everything they can to look out for their future interests. But why even have a CBA bargained-for pay scale, then? Why have a draft?

I'm not about power to the player in this instance. The Jets haven't done wrong by Moore. He's in a situation that's not beneficial to him, and he wants out. So, too, is the situation not beneficial to 3/4ths of the league's players. Really, it's not beneficial because of federal law that dictates that already-hired members of the union can bargain with the league. That's a structural/legal problem, not a problem with the league and its functioning. Moore is more than upsetting the apple cart; he's sort of upsetting the entire CBA. I can't go for that. No can do.

Tough ****, Elijah. You're on a team with a winning streak going. Sit down, now, and watch them attempt to win more.