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WR Gabriel Davis, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

rockaction said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
But even I look at the numbers and think, “ok, that just not realistic” - except that’s what he’s been doing. The numbers are what they are.

So I try to keep my expectations a bit more modest at 80-ish, ~1000-ish, ~10-Ish.

And as you say - that’s rock solid for his ADP. And an excellent point about his potential Vs the players going around him.

I have both Davis & ARSB in my rebuild team, and in redraft I’d pick Davis 100 out of 100 times. And it’d be an easy call.
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"keep my expectations a bit more modest" sure sounds like you're predicting something. No upside mention there.

Again, this is so you know I'm not lying. It's all over the thread. The next guy says

Ostro said:
I know, and I feel the same way about him as your post a few posts up.
80/1000/10, but then you watch him and josh play and it's like, 17 games, a couple multi-touchdown games, a couple no-touchdown games, yeah 10-15 TD's seems 100% reasonable
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So 80/1000/10 kept getting repeated as expectation by at least three members of this board, including you.

Lying? No way, man. No how.
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You're bang on here and those were fully predictions by the wording there. Even after the season, it was just excuses for why he failed to live up to expectations.

But if you ever call him out or call him wrong, you'll be belittled AND reported. Does it to everyone.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
The player still looks like he has future value based on a good game today.
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He’s still young and obviously can improve - but this year tells me they see him in a specific role (deep threat) - and due to that he’s likely a boom/bust type. There’s also the fairly decent chance this offseason’s priority for the Bills is finding a true WR2.

I have him in a few leagues and I’m not necessarily looking to bail but for now he’s just a “nice depth” guy with upside.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
He’s still young and obviously can improve - but this year tells me they see him in a specific role (deep threat) - and due to that he’s likely a boom/bust type. There’s also the fairly decent chance this offseason’s priority for the Bills is finding a true WR2.
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I know height/weight numbers aren't everything, but: It's odd to me that Gabriel is significantly bigger than Diggs (6'2" 210 lb vs 6'0" 191 lb) and yet is seen by the team as almost exclusively a deep threat. After his promising 2020, I thought Davis would (or the team would allow him to) start using more of the route tree and become a second legit 1,000-yard threat across from Diggs.

Something else: If Diggs had an extended absence this past season, would the Bills have been able to move Gabriel to the X receiver slot? Khalil Shakir is about as big as Diggs, but was green and not much used. McKenzie and Crowder are killers from the slot, but too small for the X. Every other WR on the Bills' 2022 roster had 7 or fewer targets on the season (and, of course, NYG blow-up Isaiah Hodgins was waived mid-season).

So ... would Davis benefit directly from a Diggs absence? Or would the team feel like they'd need to vault someone else to the X and feed THAT player (most of) Diggs' targets?
 
ghostguy123 said:
Hot Sauce, even people who agree with some of your takes think you are insufferable.
Very childish in many threads.
Do better. Be better.
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I don’t appreciate being misquoted. I will respond unfavorably to that every time.

Glad you’re so perfect that you see fit to pass sweeping judgements on others. The argumatum ad populum was weak though. Say you’re speaking for yourself and I might respect you.

The mod literally just asked folks to focus on the topic and here you are derailing it with a personal attack on me. Perhaps you should take your own advice.

Have a nice day.
 
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Dr. Octopus said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
The player still looks like he has future value based on a good game today.
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He’s still young and obviously can improve - but this year tells me they see him in a specific role (deep threat) - and due to that he’s likely a boom/bust type. There’s also the fairly decent chance this offseason’s priority for the Bills is finding a true WR2.

I have him in a few leagues and I’m not necessarily looking to bail but for now he’s just a “nice depth” guy with upside.
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You might be right. Seems to me they need a slot receiver more since they cycled through McKenzie, Shakir, then finally brought in an ancient Beasley.

We’ll see what they do at the draft.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
The player still looks like he has future value based on a good game today.
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He’s still young and obviously can improve - but this year tells me they see him in a specific role (deep threat) - and due to that he’s likely a boom/bust type. There’s also the fairly decent chance this offseason’s priority for the Bills is finding a true WR2.

I have him in a few leagues and I’m not necessarily looking to bail but for now he’s just a “nice depth” guy with upside.
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I still like Davis, but I did take advantage of the hype and sold high in two dynasty leagues. Now going to try to bye low and get him back. Would love him as a bye week/injury fill in type guy. Upside is huge in that offense if he clicks and takes the next step. If not and he's a #3 type receiver, still a decent guy to have if you can get him cheap enough.
 
efactor said:
If not and he's a #3 type receiver, still a decent guy to have if you can get him cheap enough.
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I feel fortunate that I bought cheaply on both teams I roster him, getting him before he was a starter in one league as a toss-in, and in trade for James Robinson in another.

Even at the price of a 2nd I’d turn a profit in both leagues, but it’s more fun to hold to see if he can get a little more consistent next year. I don’t see anything that’s changed from a talent perspective - his opportunities have been a mixed bag. As we saw last night, when he’s given the opportunity he produces. Stands to reason that could carry over to next year. We’ll see how he does the rest of the playoffs I guess.

2023 could surprise. I agree with you that there’s opportunity here post-hype.

By the time redraft came around and he was going in the 2nd and 3rd of high stakes leagues, I was out on that price (and was vocal about it). But if he’s a 7-8–9th round pick next year I’ll take a flier for sure.
 

Gabe Davis caught 2-of-4 targets for 34 yards in the Bills' Divisional Round loss to the Bengals.​

Davis finished WR35 in PPR fantasy points, which is decidedly disappointing after he was much hyped in the offseason. Davis came alive for 6/113/1 in the Wild Card Round but was very quiet in the Bills' loss to the Bengals. Ultimately, Davis appears to be a bit of a one-dimensional option. He threatens the defense deep down the sidelines but showed an inability to consistently separate or deliver value in the intermediate areas of the field. Davis is entering the final deal of his rookie contract and can be expected to operate as the Bills' primary outside deep threat once again in 2023. However, it's very possible they will look to add an additional playmaker. If so, Davis could be even harder to trust on a week-to-week basis next season.
Jan 22, 2023, 6:20 PM ET
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Bills general manager Brandon Beane said he's "very confident" in Gabe Davis as the team's No. 2 receiver.​

Beane's endorsement of Davis comes after a brutally inefficient season in which Davis posted the league's 46th highest yards per route run among wideouts as a mainstay in two-receiver sets in Buffalo's offense. Davis was disastrous as a fantasy producer, finishing as the WR36 after an offseason of high hopes in the high-octane Bills offense. It's possible Davis played through a nagging ankle injury in 2022, which might explain his total inability to create separation. The Bills would do well to add a viable No. 2 wideout in the draft or in free agency this offseason.
SOURCE: Dan Fetes on Twitter
Feb 28, 2023 at 11:11 AM ET
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Faust said:

Bills general manager Brandon Beane said he's "very confident" in Gabe Davis as the team's No. 2 receiver.​

Beane's endorsement of Davis comes after a brutally inefficient season in which Davis posted the league's 46th highest yards per route run among wideouts as a mainstay in two-receiver sets in Buffalo's offense. Davis was disastrous as a fantasy producer, finishing as the WR36 after an offseason of high hopes in the high-octane Bills offense. It's possible Davis played through a nagging ankle injury in 2022, which might explain his total inability to create separation. The Bills would do well to add a viable No. 2 wideout in the draft or in free agency this offseason.
SOURCE: Dan Fetes on Twitter
Feb 28, 2023 at 11:11 AM ET
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Faust said:

KPRC2's Aaron Wilson reports the trade market for DeAndre Hopkins is "headlined" by the Bills.​

Wilson also named the Chiefs as an interested party, though with the caveat that the financial implications of taking on Hopkins' contract have tempered their pursuit. Per Wilson, the Ravens are not among the bidders. Hopkins struggled in 2021 and was slapped with a PED suspension to open the 2022 season. Instead of continuing on his downward trend, Hopkins rebounded with a 64/717/3 receiving line in nine games. He would immediately take over as the Bills' second receiver if they acquire him and his fantasy prospects would soar with Josh Allen as his quarterback.
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SOURCE: Aaron Wilson on Twitter
Mar 23, 2023 at 1:12 PM ET
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Ruh-Roh.
 
barackdhouse said:
greenmountaingoat said:
Related to QJ and Gabe Davis… do yourself a favor and listen to Waldman.
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cliff notes?
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All I can come up with is Quentin Johnson

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Quentin Johnston with an impressive catch. It will be even more impressive if he can become the third WR I have scouted in 18 years who can produce consistently enough with suboptimal hands positions at the catch point. #nfldraft Golden Tate-Terry McLaurin if you wondered… h…
 
@barackdhouse - The entire introduction to the WR class solo pod is about hands and catching (and coaching/ growth of specific skill sets). My hunch is that he's trying to help educate folks about his experience as it relates to his grades for QJ and his previous takes on Gabe Davis. His take: Gabe Davis was the third option that KC forced Allen to use to beat them and he did but that was more to do with Allen than Davis and that is spoke nothing of Davis other than his ability to be a deep threat/ home run hitter with inconsistent route running and hands skills that haven't improved since he initially scouted him. He's a player that needs to be schemed open and drops a lot of passes due to his hands technique. People that expected Davis to be more than that set themselves up for disappointment. Not that players can't change or grow but that it's not a thing worth banking on until it's observed and is less common that people might assume.

I'm in year two to three of listening to a lot of ff podcasts (2-10 per week depending on my exercise routines) and this was one of the more meaningful 15 minutes of podcast listening in my last 6 months. I can't recommend this particular one more highly. Maybe most of you all who've been playing for 25 years won't be as struck by it as I was but.. there you go.
 
BassNBrew said:
barackdhouse said:
greenmountaingoat said:
Related to QJ and Gabe Davis… do yourself a favor and listen to Waldman.
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cliff notes?
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All I can come up with is Quentin Johnson

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Quentin Johnston with an impressive catch. It will be even more impressive if he can become the third WR I have scouted in 18 years who can produce consistently enough with suboptimal hands positions at the catch point. #nfldraft Golden Tate-Terry McLaurin if you wondered… h…
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Shouldn’t this be in the QJ topic?

Confused by the last few posts in here.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
BassNBrew said:
barackdhouse said:
greenmountaingoat said:
Related to QJ and Gabe Davis… do yourself a favor and listen to Waldman.
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cliff notes?
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All I can come up with is Quentin Johnson

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Matt Waldman
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Quentin Johnston with an impressive catch. It will be even more impressive if he can become the third WR I have scouted in 18 years who can produce consistently enough with suboptimal hands positions at the catch point. #nfldraft Golden Tate-Terry McLaurin if you wondered… h…
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Shouldn’t this be in the QJ topic?

Confused by the last few posts in here.
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Makes sense to me. Have you ever seen Quentin Johnston and Gabe Davis at the same time? Allow me to answer for you: NO. Do the math. Open your eyes. Wake up, my friend.
 
candian fantasy guy said:
BassNBrew said:
greenmountaingoat said:
@Hot Sauce Guy I thought I explained that pretty well but I'll say it differently. Matt used his (lengthy) Gabe Davis take as an explanation for some of his other evaluations.
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Problem is he was wrong on 90% of his calls this year.
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I feel like it’s been like that for a few years now. I love listening to him though, very detailed orientated.
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I am still suffering night terrors over drafting Trey Sermon based on Matt’s praise 🫣
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
efactor said:
I am still suffering night terrors over drafting Trey Sermon based on Matt’s praise 🫣
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Can’t get em all right. :shrug:
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or any????

Running Backs​




Ezekiel Elliott (Target): The Pollardites are slanderous.

Leonard Fournette (Target): I



Dalvin Cook (Target...Avoid...Target!): T



Breece Hall (Avoid):

J.K. Dobbins (Target):

Cam Akers (Avoid):

Kareem Hunt (Target):



New England's Backfield (Avoid): N


Rachaad White (Avoid): See Leonard Fournette

Tyler Allgeier (Avoid):

Khalil Herbert (Target):

Eno Benjamin (Target):

Trey Sermon (Target):
 
BassNBrew said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
efactor said:
I am still suffering night terrors over drafting Trey Sermon based on Matt’s praise 🫣
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Can’t get em all right. :shrug:
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or any????

Running Backs​




Ezekiel Elliott (Target): The Pollardites are slanderous.

Leonard Fournette (Target): I



Dalvin Cook (Target...Avoid...Target!): T



Breece Hall (Avoid):

J.K. Dobbins (Target):

Cam Akers (Avoid):

Kareem Hunt (Target):



New England's Backfield (Avoid): N


Rachaad White (Avoid): See Leonard Fournette

Tyler Allgeier (Avoid):

Khalil Herbert (Target):

Eno Benjamin (Target):

Trey Sermon (Target):
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Yeah, no sugar coating it. He had a tough year.
 
Waldman is solely responsible for me drafting Mahomes and Kupp….he has my respect. He has a process and sticks to it even though it may go against the grain. This has allowed me to grab quite of few “gems” late that most are ignoring. He is not always right and has bombed on a few (and even wrote why on a few). There are many other factors on how players transition from college to pro outside of film, and much of that is impossible to predict. Of course I am only speaking about his RSP work, and I would recommend that to anyone who is a fan of the game.
 
I drafted Waldman WR favorite Hakeem Butler high in every 2019 rookie draft, often trading 2020 picks so I could grab him in 2019. That set me back some. My Hakeem experience has not soured me on Waldman and look forward to his work every year. I will not go into my fantasy drafts without Matt's work as part of my homework.
 

Josh Allen said the Bills need to put Gabe Davis in better situations in 2023.​

More specifically, Allen said the team should put Davis into more "catch and run" situations rather than using him strictly as a boundary and downfield pass catcher. Davis, struggling with a nagging ankle injury for much of the 2022 season, was among the league's least efficient wideouts in the hyper-productive Buffalo offense. Allen joins Bills general manager Brandon Beane in giving a vote of confidence to Davis, 24, as he enters his fourth NFL season. Davis was the WR35 in fantasy leagues last season. Look for Buffalo to upgrade at receiver in the upcoming NFL Draft.
SOURCE: Maddy Glab on Twitter
Apr 18, 2023 at 12:22 PM ET
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The Athletic's Joe Buscaglia believes the Bills will take a wide receiver in the first round.​

There are very few team beats as ensconced as Buscaglia, who writes "After months of pondering different positions, reviewing games of the prospects, listening intently to what the Bills have said and applying their actions, it all leads me back to Bills drafting a wide receiver in the first round" and notes that Buffalo could add a slot-heavy wideout like Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Zay Flowers, or Jordan Addison. Any kind of big-name rookie wideout would be bad news for Gabe Davis, who did not live up to the hype last season as the No. 2 target in the offense. It would also be rough for Khalil Shakir's long-term value.
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SOURCE: The Athletic
Apr 25, 2023, 2:03 PM ET
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I believe in Gabe. But I am just a fan.

My hope is that the Bills are looking at him with a very critical eye and really know what they have versus living on hope because they can’t afford to mess up WR2 for another year.
 
Bills are said to be looking for a slot receiver.

If that’s true, I don’t believe it impacts Davis role much.

As evidenced by bringing in Methuselah late in the season to replace McKenzie / Shakir in the slot, that’s where they believe they’re weakest.

Seemingly a less expensive acquisition in terms of draft capital as well.
 
Deamon said:
The Duff Man said:
I believe in Gabe. But I am just a fan.

My hope is that the Bills are looking at him with a very critical eye and really know what they have versus living on hope because they can’t afford to mess up WR2 for another year.
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If Gabe doesn't produce this year, people need to put their ego's aside and admit that he was over-hyped.
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I already have 😎
 
efactor said:
Deamon said:
The Duff Man said:
I believe in Gabe. But I am just a fan.

My hope is that the Bills are looking at him with a very critical eye and really know what they have versus living on hope because they can’t afford to mess up WR2 for another year.
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If Gabe doesn't produce this year, people need to put their ego's aside and admit that he was over-hyped.
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I already have 😎
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Me too. I was pretty high on him. I didn’t realize that he’s really not a great route runner and his game is better suited to be a WR3 deep ball threat. In this offense that’s not totally useless and I’m not cutting bait in dynasty - but a loss of volume is never a great thing and a high pick at WR is surely on the table.
 
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