They'd like to get him for sure, on their terms, and NOT to pair with Pickens.
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WR George Pickens, DAL (2 Viewers)
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Easy to get owned when you are sitting on the sidelines for most of the plays. Just a strange usage when it hasn't been like that to date.He was mad because he got owned for the entire game.x.com
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Yeah, that was so blatant and out of frustration. A dumb, dirty moment for a guy that seems to have a bunch of them littered throughout his time in organized football.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I have zero idea what was going on last night. And don’t take away Fields best target then criticize Fields. They have one alpha. Sure. Put him out there 1/3 of the time. Makes sense
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
This dude....not this dude, this "offense" probably cost me my week. Have a few guys tonight but going to need really big nights from them.
The one catch he got late in the game last night that went for like 20, most of those were YAC down the sideline. Just get the guy the ball and let him go. This isn't rocket science.
They got rid of Diontae to hand the reigns to this guy, and then they're not going to play him. Like wtf.
The one catch he got late in the game last night that went for like 20, most of those were YAC down the sideline. Just get the guy the ball and let him go. This isn't rocket science.
They got rid of Diontae to hand the reigns to this guy, and then they're not going to play him. Like wtf.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It looks like he wasn't getting open with the snaps he did have. Or am I wrong about that?
Pickens is always open........even when he is not. Part of what he does best is contested catches.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I didn't watch the whole game, but it looked like to me Lewis had his number.
Tomlin said something like it was just snap management there's no story there. Reporters asked him a few questions about it.
He wasn't very good last game in the first half. If we assume Tomlin, Arthur, or the WR coach told him some firey quote or do this n that; he did play very well in the second half.
Pickens didn't do well all game. We know from his history that we can see his frustration like Donnybrook's post.
Pickens whiffs on a run play and then either nothing or hits someone like just before the RB is tackled. What is that? Just do it right and hit your block.
Parcells, Cowher, Shawn Jefferson, Lofton...plenty have said you can see a lot by watching a WR block and they need to get right there first.
I don't see that Tomlin holds that as a steadfast rule but I wouldn't consider him ignorant of it either. He blocked like someone's head wasn't into it. Next time I saw (cameras stink this year for seeing WRs not getting the ball) he was putting his hand up with two guys near him and one probably near enough to bait Fields and be there when the ball was. You're covered. Put your hand down.
Pickens has never understood that yes the other WRs aren't as good as him but most can always block as well or better so he's easily subbed on run plays. If the D believes they're doing that- two things come in here. Arthur loves to counter a defense's expectation and Tomlin loves to occasionally feed guys that block well.
No one is ignorant here so Pickens is still the best but he's gonna be coached to do his job well.
The times he was smothered, he's never been accepting of the NFL way that is "we're not throwing at Sauce" or Revis or Ramsey or...and that's just tough on him. He's gotta get over that.
I thought this was all pretty typical of him. He has games where ya think he never learns and then he does. Idk what his deal is but Tomlin always manages it well.
I always view it as- Tomlin isn't a hand holder he's a coach of men. If you take in the last game and add this, then what? Tomlin pausing what he's doing to explain? To coddle? To say there there for his ego? That ain't happening. Put the work in and you'll feast. Don't and you won't. K.I.S.S.
He wasn't very good last game in the first half. If we assume Tomlin, Arthur, or the WR coach told him some firey quote or do this n that; he did play very well in the second half.
Pickens didn't do well all game. We know from his history that we can see his frustration like Donnybrook's post.
Pickens whiffs on a run play and then either nothing or hits someone like just before the RB is tackled. What is that? Just do it right and hit your block.
Parcells, Cowher, Shawn Jefferson, Lofton...plenty have said you can see a lot by watching a WR block and they need to get right there first.
I don't see that Tomlin holds that as a steadfast rule but I wouldn't consider him ignorant of it either. He blocked like someone's head wasn't into it. Next time I saw (cameras stink this year for seeing WRs not getting the ball) he was putting his hand up with two guys near him and one probably near enough to bait Fields and be there when the ball was. You're covered. Put your hand down.
Pickens has never understood that yes the other WRs aren't as good as him but most can always block as well or better so he's easily subbed on run plays. If the D believes they're doing that- two things come in here. Arthur loves to counter a defense's expectation and Tomlin loves to occasionally feed guys that block well.
No one is ignorant here so Pickens is still the best but he's gonna be coached to do his job well.
The times he was smothered, he's never been accepting of the NFL way that is "we're not throwing at Sauce" or Revis or Ramsey or...and that's just tough on him. He's gotta get over that.
I thought this was all pretty typical of him. He has games where ya think he never learns and then he does. Idk what his deal is but Tomlin always manages it well.
I always view it as- Tomlin isn't a hand holder he's a coach of men. If you take in the last game and add this, then what? Tomlin pausing what he's doing to explain? To coddle? To say there there for his ego? That ain't happening. Put the work in and you'll feast. Don't and you won't. K.I.S.S.
Don't know but something is brewing big time between Steelers and Pickens.
What we know for sure was he was basically benched/relegated and he chose to display this message last night on his face so things appear testy with relationship before the game ever started: https://x.com/Blitz_Burgh/status/1843121119794213331
The why is what remains unknown but there is no shortage of stuff to speculate on:
*He's being mentioned as being on the trade block, perhaps this info got back to him.
*Maybe he blew up over the teams known interest in Aiyuk and now Adams
*Maybe he saw Arthur Smiths' TE-centric gameplan and just threw a fit
*Maybe they reviewed tape of his effort when the ball was not coming his way and are trying to send a message/motivate him
After the game Friermuth was interviewed and said something along the lines of "we'll be alright, we just need to do our jobs and stop complaining about getting the ball" and it would be hard to hear that and think he was talking about anyone other then Pickens. But to me, if this was a simply organic coaching decision to relegate Pickens role and not disciplanry, then Pickens has every right to harp and complain all he wants because he's right. You are not winning many games in the NFL when Van Jefferson and Calvin Austin are your snap and route run leaders at WR.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
He's not but suppose I agree.
Why trust a guy missing blocks and doing stupid wreckless stuff like the facemask? I wouldn't if I were Fields.
Davante was mentioned. He runs beautiful routes and does everything perfect so I'd give him every opportunity to make a play.
Every season when Pickens throws a tantrum this same discussion happens. When is "grow up" going to be the common response?
I don't think the group of Steelers fans that tweet "get him the ball" do him any favors here. He might even feel validation in that.
When he stops lying on the floor of Walmart kicking his legs and whining, then maybe he'll become as good as Davante but he isn't half the professional Davante is at this point
Meh, don't see why he should care about someone he rag dolled after the game spouting negative stuff about him.
Oh wow…
Davante Adams will be 32 in December. If, and it’s a big if, he came here, he’d be a 1-year rental. He is most likely going to end up with the Jets, Saints, or be sent to a "Siberia-like" team if the Raiders' management wants to stick it to him.
The problem with reducing GP's snaps and using the lame snap count decision, referring to defensive linemen being rotated, is that Van Jefferson, Scotty Miller, Calvin Austin, and who the heck is Brandon Johnson, pretty much did nothing last night to warrant more snap counts. I get it, there may be something behind the scenes that we aren’t privy to, and part of it could be what he had written under his eyes.
The problem with reducing GP's snaps and using the lame snap count decision, referring to defensive linemen being rotated, is that Van Jefferson, Scotty Miller, Calvin Austin, and who the heck is Brandon Johnson, pretty much did nothing last night to warrant more snap counts. I get it, there may be something behind the scenes that we aren’t privy to, and part of it could be what he had written under his eyes.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Hopefully it’s 1 for 1, adams to Pitt makes pick droppable
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Maybe because he was a powder puff in the actual game itself.Meh, don't see why he should care about someone he rag dolled after the game spouting negative stuff about him.
I don't think you seriously think if that post game interaction had not happened he's be spouting that walking to his lockeroom.Maybe because he was a powder puff in the actual game itself.Meh, don't see why he should care about someone he rag dolled after the game spouting negative stuff about him.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I'm sure it spurned the reaction from Lewis right away, but 3 for 26 wreaks of weakness vs a depleted defense.I don't think you seriously think if that post game interaction had not happened he's be spouting that walking to his lockeroom.Maybe because he was a powder puff in the actual game itself.Meh, don't see why he should care about someone he rag dolled after the game spouting negative stuff about him.
steelcityman
Footballguy
People CANNOT be serious about wanting to get Adams, or a swap with Pickens. THE. STEELERS. OFFENSE. IS. MIDDLE. SCHOOL.
Adams doesnt want to come here, and Raiders play Steelers this coming week. Best we can hope is he doesnt play, or is traded to the Jets with that old embarrassing QB, or the meaningless Saints.
Why would the Steelers do anything special, and by that I mean, trade picks and take on huge cash, for a WR, as great as Adams is, they wont use. The plays arent even in the playbook!!!! Can put Russ in at QB, he's a better thrower than Fields, and it still wont matter.
This is the team Tomlin wants.
All that said, see if KC will take him for a 1st or even a 2nd rd pick(late 2nd is pretty weak tho, maybe kick in a 5th). I think Pickens is a great talent but completely gone in the head. He's a wreck. I assume playing with Mahomes would get him going to the tune of 1200 yrds and 10 TDs tho.
Gonna need QB, WR in first 2 rds of the draft regardless, might as well try to get another player that wont act like a 6 y/o.
Adams doesnt want to come here, and Raiders play Steelers this coming week. Best we can hope is he doesnt play, or is traded to the Jets with that old embarrassing QB, or the meaningless Saints.
Why would the Steelers do anything special, and by that I mean, trade picks and take on huge cash, for a WR, as great as Adams is, they wont use. The plays arent even in the playbook!!!! Can put Russ in at QB, he's a better thrower than Fields, and it still wont matter.
This is the team Tomlin wants.
All that said, see if KC will take him for a 1st or even a 2nd rd pick(late 2nd is pretty weak tho, maybe kick in a 5th). I think Pickens is a great talent but completely gone in the head. He's a wreck. I assume playing with Mahomes would get him going to the tune of 1200 yrds and 10 TDs tho.
Gonna need QB, WR in first 2 rds of the draft regardless, might as well try to get another player that wont act like a 6 y/o.
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Can you show me a play where Pickens was weak or are you just basing this on a small stat line in a game he only ran 20 routes?I'm sure it spurned the reaction from Lewis right away, but 3 for 26 wreaks of weakness vs a depleted defense.I don't think you seriously think if that post game interaction had not happened he's be spouting that walking to his lockeroom.Maybe because he was a powder puff in the actual game itself.Meh, don't see why he should care about someone he rag dolled after the game spouting negative stuff about him.
It’s definitely frustrating to see a talented player like George Pickens not getting enough opportunities, especially when he has the potential to make game-changing plays. Limiting his snaps can be puzzling, especially when the offense is struggling. Running routes over the middle could indeed help him get open, even against tight coverage.
Justin’s passing game being off certainly didn’t help the situation. The loss to Dallas was tough, and it’s surprising how the defense allowed players like Tolbert and Dowdle to shine. It sounds like a combination of offensive struggles and defensive lapses led to that disappointing outcome.
Justin’s passing game being off certainly didn’t help the situation. The loss to Dallas was tough, and it’s surprising how the defense allowed players like Tolbert and Dowdle to shine. It sounds like a combination of offensive struggles and defensive lapses led to that disappointing outcome.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I'm basing it on the fact you could see him moping around the field yesterday. You think the coaching staff sat him because he was giving his all?Can you show me a play where Pickens was weak or are you just basing this on a small stat line in a game he only ran 20 routes?I'm sure it spurned the reaction from Lewis right away, but 3 for 26 wreaks of weakness vs a depleted defense.I don't think you seriously think if that post game interaction had not happened he's be spouting that walking to his lockeroom.Maybe because he was a powder puff in the actual game itself.Meh, don't see why he should care about someone he rag dolled after the game spouting negative stuff about him.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
The play calling was a joke.
I don't know why they sat him or think anyone does for sure right now outside of the team. But we are going sideways here as I don't see what that has to do with the Lewis post game shouting about Pickens. It means absolutely nothing other then fact he's made he got faced masked and thrown down. That's all I got left to say on the subject.I'm basing it on the fact you could see him moping around the field yesterday. You think the coaching staff sat him because he was giving his all?Can you show me a play where Pickens was weak or are you just basing this on a small stat line in a game he only ran 20 routes?I'm sure it spurned the reaction from Lewis right away, but 3 for 26 wreaks of weakness vs a depleted defense.I don't think you seriously think if that post game interaction had not happened he's be spouting that walking to his lockeroom.Maybe because he was a powder puff in the actual game itself.Meh, don't see why he should care about someone he rag dolled after the game spouting negative stuff about him.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I'm just glad someone called him soft publicly no matter if it was a reaction to being face masked, because he simply has the look of a weak player which has shown up on film several times over. He needs to get over himself as he's simply not earned any elite status, and frankly should work harder on his route running skills and overall WR craft. Taking plays off constantly shows who you really are as a teammate. Coaches benched him for a reason.I don't know why they sat him or think anyone does for sure right now outside of the team. But we are going sideways here as I don't see what that has to do with the Lewis post game shouting about Pickens. It means absolutely nothing other then fact he's made he got faced masked and thrown down. That's all I got left to say on the subject.I'm basing it on the fact you could see him moping around the field yesterday. You think the coaching staff sat him because he was giving his all?Can you show me a play where Pickens was weak or are you just basing this on a small stat line in a game he only ran 20 routes?I'm sure it spurned the reaction from Lewis right away, but 3 for 26 wreaks of weakness vs a depleted defense.I don't think you seriously think if that post game interaction had not happened he's be spouting that walking to his lockeroom.Maybe because he was a powder puff in the actual game itself.Meh, don't see why he should care about someone he rag dolled after the game spouting negative stuff about him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Maybe the joke is on Pickens
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Pickens is a head case. And the offensive coordinator is massively under-utilizing him. Both can be true.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I don't like his overall behavior and simply don't care if he's a Steeler or not. He will never put the team first, and I'm sure his teammates notice it as well, but can't say it publicly.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
This is true as well, but when you mention the OC you have to remember who he takes his orders from.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
Maybe. But Canada, Smith. You tell me.
Hmm, not saying a whole lot there. Yes, I’d rather have Pickens than Van Jefferson and Calvin Austin as well.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
So, you don’t think Pickens has a part in it?
I know we are here for FF, but George is most likely thinking about his 2nd contract. Pickens most certainly is not going to get paid like other top WRs in the league. That’s due to couple of factors. The most obvious one is that his QB is not a good passer. The other problem is the perception folks have of Pickens due to his history.
If you took Pickens off the team I can't think of a WR group that is less talented. And I don't mean this year, I mean period.
Jet's back during that Darnold era had some low level talent to point they were trying to pass off Quincy Enunwa as a 1. Bears had a really rough group then they were trying to make Mooney their #1. But I can't recall a WR group that would be less talented that a top 3 trio of Van Jefferson, Calvin Austin and Roman Wilson. Maybe there is some team I'm forgetting but that's two WR4-5 types and a player who can't get activated yet.
No doubt Pickens has a some really punk/selfish behavior and seems to need a lot of work learning how to be a professional and mature. So maybe he'd have some issues to work out regardless but something seems to have turned in his role/relationship with the teeam in the last week, well before the game was played. With that coinciding with the timing of their rumored Davante Adams interest it's hard for me to at least not think they are related because if we are hearing trade rumors so is he and I mean rumors both on them acquiring Adams as well as him being made available. Again not saying this is the case or if it is he is totally absolved, but he's long been known as being immature and he might lack the maturity professionalism to handle these kind of rumors.
But I mainly mention that in response to how bad the WR's would be if you removed him without adding anyone and I only mention that to say what a screw up by the Steelers to ever put themselves in this position to rely so much on him and on top of that there is a chance they poked the bear and made things worse.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Smith, Canada, Fichner, Haley at the end......but there is one common piece the whole time. Pickett, old Ben, Rudolph, Trubisky, Fields, a Duck....its not great list, but NONE of them could be good, really? And some think old man Wilson is gonna save the offense?
I think we'd all love Todd Haley back. But Tomlin cant have a coach better than him on the staff.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
DJ Moore put up 96-1364-8 in 2023 with Fields for 13 and Tyson Bagent for 4 starts, good enough to finish #6 in FF
Yeah, good point. Maybe Pickens is the problem. Some of us folks that took George as our second WR this year with hopes of WR1 numbers are in denial. He was my WR flag. I’m my mind he would put up numbers that would warrant a late second to early third pick next year. Five weeks later I am not sure he should even be a starter on my team that starts 4 WRs.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
As much as I down the guy, I do see he has much talent to work with, but with his attitude and conduct I also believe he already thinks he's elite overall and everything is not his fault. He does possess elite body control in the air and can track the ball well, but doesn't that make him a one trick pony until he shows more?
Good receivers get open. Open receivers get the ball. It’s pretty simple. He's averaging less than 10 pts after 5 weeks in FF, which is not even WR 3/4 level. Needs to do better for himself and the team. Play calling is an issue as well, but welcome to Tomlin's vision. I think a switch to Wilson might move the needle up a bit since he throws with a tad more air under the ball where GP can utilize his skills better.
Big Nate
Footballguy
There is a video on twitter that someone put together showing him dogging it on his routes all game. He's already being a diva and is already causing issues.
Then you see a guy like JSN busting his *** down field pretending to be the focal target on a passing play (sold it to 2 defensive backs) as Geno runs for 25 yards. The defenders completely bought the route JSN was selling. It is 100% worth looking up. JSN going places while Pickens is stuck in sand with no intention of doing anything.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
Why do so many Steelers WR's become divas? What's happening in that locker room?
Dizzy
Footballguy
I agree with you. Pickens is more of the "freak athletic" type than pure route-tree WR.
I don't know anything about how hard he works on is craft or how seriously he takes all of this, but I don't see him getting a lot of separation.
I think it's Arthur Smith more than Fields. I mean, look at what Smith did to London, Pitts, & Bijan
Dizzy
Footballguy
That's just how they do it. They get guys that are slipping drafts because of raw (not NFL ready) skillset or character questions and hope they can "coach it out of them"... doesn't always work.
Dizzy
Footballguy
DJ Moore - by all accounts - is a professional wide receiver.
That JSN play was my favorite play of the week. I especially liked the Giants defender (Thibodeaux I think) after the play looking at those DBs after the play like, "what the hell are you guys doing?" They were so fooled even the other defenders were confused.
Dizzy
Footballguy
They were all college QBs.
See previous comments on DJ Moore's season w/ Fields.
Maybe that's because DJ Moore was a college WR.
