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WR Jahan Dotson, PHI (1 Viewer)
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BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
HSG, this is a good example where sometimes we think we know, but we don't. In a sense you were borderline clairvoyant. I got nervous when the coach said there was a competition for the #2 role. If coach isn't gushing about a player, there's typically a problem.
Same reason why I'm out on Kendre Miller. Good news is, we get to bring in a new kid as we alluded to in other portions of our conversation. Kind of interesting how this entire situation came full circle and how timely our discussion was. I'd bet the they started shopping him the day that negative coachspeak came out. Oh well, good riddance! We wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
Now we just gotta wait to see what happens with Terry's contract next year.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
The writing was in the wall about him getting traded. Was hoping for a better landing spot though.
My biggest miss in several years (last year) and definitely cost me a bunch of value across my teams.
As a Skins fan, I’m happy to move on. He didn’t fit the new regime’s vision and they deserve benefit of the doubt. Won’t be surprised if there’s another move in the works either.
My biggest miss in several years (last year) and definitely cost me a bunch of value across my teams.
As a Skins fan, I’m happy to move on. He didn’t fit the new regime’s vision and they deserve benefit of the doubt. Won’t be surprised if there’s another move in the works either.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Wouldnt WASH going in for Aiyuk make more sense than CeeDee? If they even think they need WR. Brown, McCaffery and McLaurin are their guys.
Curious if Steelers were in on any talks with WASH. Their WRs are awful.
Curious if Steelers were in on any talks with WASH. Their WRs are awful.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Eagles - wow. I was hoping for San Diego, but this could be ok.
HSG, this is a good example where sometimes we think we know, but we don't. In a sense you were borderline clairvoyant. I got nervous when the coach said there was a competition for the #2 role. If coach isn't gushing about a player, there's typically a problem.
Same reason why I'm out on Kendre Miller. Good news is, we get to bring in a new kid as we alluded to in other portions of our conversation. Kind of interesting how this entire situation came full circle and how timely our discussion was. I'd bet the they started shopping him the day that negative coachspeak came out. Oh well, good riddance! We wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
Now we just gotta wait to see what happens with Terry's contract next year.
Don’t love it.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
No one more than me. Last year I traded away what turned out to be the 1.4 pick (Nabers) and 2.4 (Keon Coleman) picks for Dotson, Dyami Brown, and Terrace Marshall going into last year.
In another dynasty league last year I traded away AJB for Dotson and this year's 1.9 pick. Only saving grace was I traded 1.9 and my 2.2 pick for 1.5 which landed me Jayden Daniels. This is a best ball SF league so I can live with that one but man, sucks to own Dotson everywhere and his value just fell off a cliff...
Banger
Footballguy
but it sounds like SF wants a WR back in a deal so it would make sense that if an Aiyuk trade were to happen it would include Dotson. Doesn't sound like there's any rumblings from SF regarding a trade to Washington and given the short window before the season I think moving Aiyuk is less of a probability each day.
Boston
Footballguy
Eagles - wow. I was hoping for San Diego, but this could be ok.
HSG, this is a good example where sometimes we think we know, but we don't. In a sense you were borderline clairvoyant. I got nervous when the coach said there was a competition for the #2 role. If coach isn't gushing about a player, there's typically a problem.
Same reason why I'm out on Kendre Miller. Good news is, we get to bring in a new kid as we alluded to in other portions of our conversation. Kind of interesting how this entire situation came full circle and how timely our discussion was. I'd bet the they started shopping him the day that negative coachspeak came out. Oh well, good riddance! We wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
Now we just gotta wait to see what happens with Terry's contract next year.
Don’t love it.
San Diego would be a bad spot…he would be behind Wes Chandler, Charlie Joiner and John Jefferson…
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That it was within the division is disturbing.
Tells me exactly what WAS thought of him.
Tells me exactly what WAS thought of him.
Insein
Footballguy
Well... This could still hold true.
massraider
Footballguy
This.
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
Like that time (funnily enough, same teams) when the Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Redskins. How could the Redskins not know there was nothing left in the tank? Holy **** that's a terribly run franchise. https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=5055346
Banger
Footballguy
Kadarius Toney.....oh wait.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
And the Eagles already went down this road with Dorial Green-Beckham.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just a point of fact: I’m not a “Dotson truther”
I thought he was a decent bet for a buy-low in a league I needed depth at WR.
As the slot in PHI he could pay dividends. And DSmith isn’t the biggest dude. There’s opportunity for a larger role here. That said even if he’s a complete bust it cost me Lance (who I got for peanuts) and a 2026 3rd. So not exactly franchise-ruining stuff.
Sometimes I gamble and win, and sometimes I gamble and lose. This one’s TBD so far, but no, not great Bob.
lol
I do think Dotson has talent - maybe this will be motivating. Or maybe he’ll be out of the league in a year.
As a McLaurin shareholder in another large league I’m def feeling mixed emotions today. lol
zamboni
Footballguy
Wes Welker being traded from the Dolphins to the Pats is the closest thing I can think of.
I feel this might be better. Maybe I'm out of the loop on things, but I thought they were talking about him fighting to even get the WR2 spot in Washington? Maybe a fresh start in a new offense will be good for him.
Not sure if this changes anything. Word all camp was about Dotson's struggles. Terry could suffer from this with more double coverage, or if they bring in an even better wr than dotson soon.
Enzo....the Baker
Footballguy
Cris Carter....? Eagles and Vikes
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
R U Kidding, RIP?
I would say Hallelujah! It's raining targets
I love him landing on Philly but I think Smith will take a hit and Dallas Goedert at TE
Just my initial take, also Dotson must prove himself, 7TDs his rookie year, disappeared last season
Not that surprising. Dotson was awful last season (and just ok as a rookie) and in my eyes was always a 1st round reach. I'm kinda surprised they even got a 3 for him, given he's in year 3 of his rookie deal. I would have thought a 4.
He'll probably win the Eagles #3 job, though the way that offense runs, that's maybe 30 catches. He'll be no higher than 5th in the pecking order.
With some rumors Washington isn't done yet, I do wonder if they could be in on Aiyuk again, with that extra 3rd rounder to play with.
He'll probably win the Eagles #3 job, though the way that offense runs, that's maybe 30 catches. He'll be no higher than 5th in the pecking order.
With some rumors Washington isn't done yet, I do wonder if they could be in on Aiyuk again, with that extra 3rd rounder to play with.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Elijah Moore for a recent case in point, right Mr Skeptical?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah close but he was also a UDFA and a special teams guy. He had already greatly outperformed what anyone thought was possible when he was moved to NE. I really don’t think it’s ever happened with a highly touted prospect.
jm192
Footballguy
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. Surely he had an easier path to targets in Washington.
If Washington was so unimpressed with him so as to flip him to a division rival--I don't have high hopes.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep and Denzel Mims and Jalen Reagor and Hakeem Butler.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I have Washington on the move, new owner and priorities, the sizzle wasn't there between Daniels the rookie QB and a guy they drafted 2 years ago and doesn't fit the offense
Washington is smart to cut their losses and move on, at the same time Dotson lands on a very talented team and whatever he brings to the table will be exploited
I do think Dotson can seize a slice of the pie in the passing game if he catches on with the playbook quick enough
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I had no Dotson shares so no dog in this race, but I liked him a lot as a prospect. As I previously mentioned I kept trying to trade for him in my dynasty league, and now he's literally free. The problem is he's reduced to what is essentially a WR handcuff. Meaning he'll have standalone value if Brown or Smith miss time, but otherwise no because I can't see Hurts supporting 3 fantasy relevant WR's simultaneously. As for McLaurin it doesn't seem Dotson was that much of a threat to him after all, but I think even I am higher on Dotson than Dan Quinn is.
At this point you may as well hold and see how the season plays out, and thankfully since the price of acquisition wasn't high, it won't hurt to cut bait should it come to it.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
When have we ever trusted Washington coaches?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
No sarcasm, he's likely a muscle strain away from taking the field on the Igglz starting offense and perhaps even as a WR3 he might show enough to earn more looks.
AJB and Smith are pretty cemented at 1 and 2, there's always been room for a WR3 and that person usually fails in the role.
I certainly wouldn't mind him at the end of my bench, possible spot starts on bye weeks, I'm interested in what he does.
The fact 90% think he's a turd and destined for 20 catches doesn't deter me from looking and thinking about the possibilities.
Hurts is likely to pass for over 4,000+ yds for his first time in the NFL, I'm excited as an FF GM
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He had a better chance at fantasy relevance with Washington. I don’t see WR 3 in Philly getting enough love to trust in any given week.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Absolutely a hold. If Dotson was a FA I’d bid a good sized chunk of my FAAB - the Eagles are a good offense. I want pieces of that. If he’s their WR3, that’s a path to points.
If Smith or AJB get dinged up, even more so.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If that was the case I would think Dotson would have helped them land Aiyuk more than a 3rd since the 49ers need a WR.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It basically is a 4 when you look at the rest of the deal. Eagles also received a 5th. Commanders also received 2 7ths.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Wouldn't call Welker disappointing considering he was an UDFA that didn't make the Chargers roster and worked his way into being a useful receiver with the Dolphins before being flipped to the Patriots for a 2nd and 7th round pick. He was an example of someone who had low expectations from the start and exceeded them at every stop.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
There's a lot about Dotson's usage that we just don't know yet. WR3 has had almost no impact on the Eagles since Brown and Smith arrived, but this year they have a new OC. It's possible they wanted to upgrade at WR3 if it's a bigger part of Kellen Moore's offense than it was in Brian Johnson's and Shane Steichen's.
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massraider
Footballguy
I'll take him super late, if he's cheap, and maybe he's an injury flex down the road.
It's much more interesting to me from a football perspective.
trading down from 3rd to 5th round for Jahan Dotson is a pretty solid move for the Eagles. They are in their window now, the NFL is an arms race, the good teams have good WRs. 3rd receiver for Philly, I didn't know who it was. Teams that are making a push, and make these little bargain moves for depth, it's worth the risk.
His cap numbers are tiny, smaller than they were in WAS, because of the pro-rated signing bonus. 2 mill/2.6 mill next two years.
Dotson has a much better shot at helping this team than Johnny Wilson or whoever. Good move.
It's much more interesting to me from a football perspective.
trading down from 3rd to 5th round for Jahan Dotson is a pretty solid move for the Eagles. They are in their window now, the NFL is an arms race, the good teams have good WRs. 3rd receiver for Philly, I didn't know who it was. Teams that are making a push, and make these little bargain moves for depth, it's worth the risk.
His cap numbers are tiny, smaller than they were in WAS, because of the pro-rated signing bonus. 2 mill/2.6 mill next two years.
Dotson has a much better shot at helping this team than Johnny Wilson or whoever. Good move.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Well... This could still hold true.
If plays for Dallas and the Giants it could be.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I had to go all the way back to 1992 to find a recent example. Jimmy Smith was the 36th overall pick for the Dallas Cowboys and what a chaotic journey it was for him. Suffered a tibula fracture during a scrimmage game his rookie year, missed the first month of games and then played exclusively on special teams. Was on pace to play on offense the following year but had an emergency appendectomy two weeks before the season opener. Got an infection from the surgery which necessitated an ileostomy. Got into a grievance with the Cowboys over them not wanting to pay his full salary and had the players' union help him win that case. Cut by the Cowboys the following year when he refused to take a pay cut. Eagles signed him that offseason but he didn't make the final roster and nobody signed him that year. The 1995 expansion Jaguars signed him after a tryout and the rest was history.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
4th round pick
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
They've been trying to get one to stick for years.
I think this trade Lowers his floor and raises his ceiling.
in Philly it looks like hes a #3 but in a better offense admittedly. given the late date of this trade, I dont know that he learns enough of the playbook to play a significant role in week 1 (and possibly week 2 depending how quick a study he is)
I dont personally see enough upside to make up for that in the aggregate unless a lot of things go right for him from here on out.
TripItUp
Footballguy
This is where I'm at...I think his ADP remains similar. If I were a dynasty owner I think I'd be for this trade. He was already a late round dart throw.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
No one since Joe Gibbs...until now. I do trust this owner and coaching staff. But man we've sucked in that department the last 2 decades for sure...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
the one share I have he’s my WR7, so I can afford to play the long game.
I also put him on the block, as there are 2 Eagles fans in that league. Not saying Eagles fans aren’t smart, I’m just saying maybe I get a homer bump to a trade price.
Insein
Footballguy
2 years left on his rookie deal plus a 5th year option. AJ Brown can be let go without a cap hit in 2026 if he were to decline or get weird. Dotson not in the same realm as AJ right now but maybe they develop him over 2 years.
It's a low risk move for the Eagles either way. He's an upgrade over Campbell and Covey in the meantime.
Fantasy wise, he'll be that WR 3 that goes off certain weeks catching 2 bomb TDs and sit on the WW with a 40 point week. Good luck guessing when it will happen.
It's a low risk move for the Eagles either way. He's an upgrade over Campbell and Covey in the meantime.
Fantasy wise, he'll be that WR 3 that goes off certain weeks catching 2 bomb TDs and sit on the WW with a 40 point week. Good luck guessing when it will happen.
