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WR Jameson Williams, DET (4 Viewers)
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Those are just depth guys fighting for a roster spot. The tackles are great and word out of camp is that Mahogany and Ratledge have been looking very good at guard. Biggest concern is the downgrade at center from Ragnow to Glasgow, but Glasgow is a solid veteran, and won’t be terrible.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s the one that matters most, but I thought it went without saying.
I don’t see Glasgow as an adequate replacement. But I’ve been wrong before.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
my new band name
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yours notsomuch.
A man who would pun would pick a pocket.
-Benjamin Victor
I think this is an overcorrection due to recency bias and awful luck for Mahomes, and outstanding luck when it comes to Goff. I highly doubt Goff outproduces Mahomes going forward, and I'd argue Mahomes about 4 rounds ahead of Goff for fantasy.
Mahomes lost his #1 RB, #1 WR, and (projected) #2 WR all by week 4 last season. He still had a top-10 season. If Goff was down Gibbs, Amon-Ra, and Williams, he'd have been on waivers in all but 2-QB leagues, and the Lions wouldn't have come close to winning their division. Rice had a stretch as a top-3 WR. Worthy had a good stretch as a top-10 WR, and Kelce had a stretch as a top-3 TE.
I think we've been seeing Goff's ceiling, and Mahomes floor, and the difference last year was 1.4 PPG.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good point about the projected starting 5 still being healthy.
For those in dynasty, I could see Ratledge following the same path as Ragnow, moving to center in year 2 and bringing in someone else at right guard to replace Glasgow.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well put.
That’s definitely the plan if they don’t get a good C in next year’s draft
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Rest easy... it was not you.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Kinda surprised. I understand getting ahead of a contract, but the dude has had one kinda decent season in 3 years. This is gonna look really smart or really dumb.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is so freaking brilliant by the Lions. Wow. So this is essentially them picking up his option and giving him two more years. Wow again. Set for life. Good job, Jamo. Lions can rest easy. WR1 in the house.
You obviously haven't been paying attention
I'm kinda on this side a bit too. More that I just didn't see Williams as a priority compared to Hutchinson, Branch, LaPorta, and eventually Gibbs.
Chaka
Footballguy
They see him every day, they know who he is.
rockaction
Footballguy
Hadn't thought about Hutch. As good as those other guys are, Jamo plays the position where you re-up. The other guys don't. Who knows if Gibbs blows a knee or gets hurt? And Branch at safety, even though he's awesome, he's not a WR. I think that's the reality of it. There are no priority tight ends unless your last name is Gronkowski. I guess you have your McBrides and your Bowerses. but I'll bet if you asked any GM or coach if they'd rather have the TE1 and WR32 in the league or vice-versa, I can tell you their answer.
Chaka
Footballguy
Aidan will get his payday too once they're convinced he's fully recovered from his injury. Very soon, I imagine. That's how the Lions roll.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Fantastic news.
Basically everyone, from Holmes & Campbell, Goff & St Brown, to the most reliable beat writers have said he’s been on another level this year. He got stronger, his routes are way more crisp, he’s showing late hands & not letting the ball get into his body (flaw he always had.) New OC John Morton has said he wants more vertical shots.
It’s not clear just yet…
But either way he’s going to be a bargain when this kicks in.
Must be a relief for Jamo, though. One of the outcomes of his gambling suspension was his fully GTD rookie deal was no longer guaranteed. Not like they were ever going to cut him loose, but I’m sure it was on his mind.
Could have made more on the open market IMO but it’s gotta feel good knowing you just passed $100M career earnings at age 24 (well, eventually anyways.)
Off Topic WRT Hutch
#97 said he’s totally hands off, doesn’t want the business end to affect his love of the game. But they are in amicable talks & Brad Holmes has said multiple times that will be their highest priority. It is widely believed his new deal will make him the highest paid non-QB in the NFL.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jameson Williams' efforts to improve, relatively reasonable price tag, result in unexpected extension from Lions
Green Bay, Wisc. — It wasn’t the extension Detroit Lions fans expected this offseason, but they’ll gladly take it. Late Saturday night, ahead of the team’s season opener against the Green Bay Packers, the Lions reached a three-year agreement with Jameson Williams that could keep the speedy receiver in Honolulu blue through the 2029 season.
The move was particularly unexpected because Williams looked as if he might be the odd man out as Detroit navigates an increasingly complex salary cap situation, having handsomely paid Jared Goff, Penei Sewell, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Taylor Decker and David Montgomery last year, followed by Kerby Joseph in April. On top of those extensions, there's the upcoming need to lock up Aidan Hutchinson, Brian Branch, Sam LaPorta and Jahmyr Gibbs.
Most of those completed deals were top of the market for the player’s position, with Hutchinson potentially set to be the biggest contract for a non-quarterback in NFL history.
It’s why, at the league meetings this offseason, general manager Brad Holmes hinted that Williams could end up pricing himself out of Detroit’s range.
"We're still taking it as it goes," Holmes said. "Look, his fifth-year option, it's looking likely that we'll just pick that up, but in terms of extension, again, there's a lot of extensions that are hopefully coming. It's just one that you just don't know what's going to happen from a financial standpoint, because a wide receiver. It's expensive. It's very expensive.”
However, two things have happened since that spring conversation with the GM. The first and obvious, Williams forced the Lions to alter their priorities with a tremendous offseason that has him primed to take his production to another level after topping 1,000 yards for the first time in 2024.
“The big step he’s taken forward has been fun to watch,” quarterback Jared Goff said this week.
Secondly, that anticipated price tag that had cast clouds of doubt over his long-term future with the franchise ended up far more reasonable than initially envisioned.
It can be difficult to wrap your head around a $27.7 million salary being a bargain, but, relatively speaking, it absolutely is in this instance.
That’s because the three-year extension doesn’t kick in until 2027. So the Lions will benefit from already having Williams under contract this season and next, under the terms of his rookie deal. And while the average of the new money currently ranks 13th among receivers, by the time it kicks in, the cap will have likely continued to rapidly inflate, with several future pacts pushing Williams down the highest-paid list.
The average of Williams’ new money checks in just below some of the game’s highest-paid No. 2 receivers, Miami’s Jaylen Waddle and Cincinnati’s Tee Higgins, and just ahead of Philadelphia’s DeVonta Smith.
The deal rubber-stamps the faith the Lions have in Williams, who had a rocky start to his career, largely because of self-inflicted wounds.
Drafted in the first round of the 2022 draft, after the Lions traded up 20 spots to land him, Williams missed a good chunk of his rookie season recovering from the torn ACL he suffered in his final college game.
He caught just one of nine targets in six appearances down the stretch of that season, then was suspended for the first four games of the 2023 season — reduced from six — for naively violating the league’s gambling policy. Then, when he returned, he was underwhelming, catching just 24 passes for 354 in 12 games while struggling with drops.
It wasn’t until last season that he turned a corner and started delivering on Detroit’s massive investment, but not without another bone-headed suspension for violating the league’s performance-enhancing substance policy.
Still, the Lions remained patient.
“I know this; we dangled the rope down on the way up,” Lions coach Dan Campbell said. “We can’t wait for anybody, and over a year ago he started climbing his way up and he got to us. And maybe he lost his grip, but he’ll climb back up again. That rope’s still there, it’s tied to us, and he’ll be just fine. He's part of this team and I trust him.”
Williams returned from the two-game ban and turned it on down the stretch, hauling in 41 balls for 640 and four scores across the final nine games of the 2024 campaign.
As noted, Williams has taken his game to another level this offseason. Under the watchful eye of position coach Scottie Montgomery, Williams has steadily added lower-body strength, which has enhanced his ability to stop as fast as he accelerates, expanding his route tree.
“He's in that mode of where he is ascending and he's taking the right steps, but he has to do it every single day,” Montgomery said. “He's very receptive.”
The Lions went through the tribulations with Williams. But he climbed the rope back to them and then some. Now, they’re in a position to enjoy the fruits of those efforts for years to come.
The move was particularly unexpected because Williams looked as if he might be the odd man out as Detroit navigates an increasingly complex salary cap situation, having handsomely paid Jared Goff, Penei Sewell, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Taylor Decker and David Montgomery last year, followed by Kerby Joseph in April. On top of those extensions, there's the upcoming need to lock up Aidan Hutchinson, Brian Branch, Sam LaPorta and Jahmyr Gibbs.
Most of those completed deals were top of the market for the player’s position, with Hutchinson potentially set to be the biggest contract for a non-quarterback in NFL history.
It’s why, at the league meetings this offseason, general manager Brad Holmes hinted that Williams could end up pricing himself out of Detroit’s range.
"We're still taking it as it goes," Holmes said. "Look, his fifth-year option, it's looking likely that we'll just pick that up, but in terms of extension, again, there's a lot of extensions that are hopefully coming. It's just one that you just don't know what's going to happen from a financial standpoint, because a wide receiver. It's expensive. It's very expensive.”
However, two things have happened since that spring conversation with the GM. The first and obvious, Williams forced the Lions to alter their priorities with a tremendous offseason that has him primed to take his production to another level after topping 1,000 yards for the first time in 2024.
“The big step he’s taken forward has been fun to watch,” quarterback Jared Goff said this week.
Secondly, that anticipated price tag that had cast clouds of doubt over his long-term future with the franchise ended up far more reasonable than initially envisioned.
It can be difficult to wrap your head around a $27.7 million salary being a bargain, but, relatively speaking, it absolutely is in this instance.
That’s because the three-year extension doesn’t kick in until 2027. So the Lions will benefit from already having Williams under contract this season and next, under the terms of his rookie deal. And while the average of the new money currently ranks 13th among receivers, by the time it kicks in, the cap will have likely continued to rapidly inflate, with several future pacts pushing Williams down the highest-paid list.
The average of Williams’ new money checks in just below some of the game’s highest-paid No. 2 receivers, Miami’s Jaylen Waddle and Cincinnati’s Tee Higgins, and just ahead of Philadelphia’s DeVonta Smith.
The deal rubber-stamps the faith the Lions have in Williams, who had a rocky start to his career, largely because of self-inflicted wounds.
Drafted in the first round of the 2022 draft, after the Lions traded up 20 spots to land him, Williams missed a good chunk of his rookie season recovering from the torn ACL he suffered in his final college game.
He caught just one of nine targets in six appearances down the stretch of that season, then was suspended for the first four games of the 2023 season — reduced from six — for naively violating the league’s gambling policy. Then, when he returned, he was underwhelming, catching just 24 passes for 354 in 12 games while struggling with drops.
It wasn’t until last season that he turned a corner and started delivering on Detroit’s massive investment, but not without another bone-headed suspension for violating the league’s performance-enhancing substance policy.
Still, the Lions remained patient.
“I know this; we dangled the rope down on the way up,” Lions coach Dan Campbell said. “We can’t wait for anybody, and over a year ago he started climbing his way up and he got to us. And maybe he lost his grip, but he’ll climb back up again. That rope’s still there, it’s tied to us, and he’ll be just fine. He's part of this team and I trust him.”
Williams returned from the two-game ban and turned it on down the stretch, hauling in 41 balls for 640 and four scores across the final nine games of the 2024 campaign.
As noted, Williams has taken his game to another level this offseason. Under the watchful eye of position coach Scottie Montgomery, Williams has steadily added lower-body strength, which has enhanced his ability to stop as fast as he accelerates, expanding his route tree.
“He's in that mode of where he is ascending and he's taking the right steps, but he has to do it every single day,” Montgomery said. “He's very receptive.”
The Lions went through the tribulations with Williams. But he climbed the rope back to them and then some. Now, they’re in a position to enjoy the fruits of those efforts for years to come.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I hope you're still sitting in your lawn chair, with a piss warm coors banquet and watching smallmouth nibble the worms off your hook. <3
ps: love you still.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Awesome for Jamo 
Not as awesome for TeSlaa
As a recent dynasty investor x2 I love it though.
Not as awesome for TeSlaa
As a recent dynasty investor x2 I love it though.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Yes, he will have better games ahead. Packers D looks like a top unit.
But oline looked bad, no ben johnson and tesla scored
NEVER trust week 1
msudaisy26
Footballguy
For fantasy purposes he will never be a stud on Lions without multiple injuries. Last year he was under drafted and this year he will be over drafted. His sweet spot needs to be around wr 35ish and probably player 80ish overall in regular leagues. He needs to be in your flex spot because he can win you weeks, but his floor is so low you don't want him as your wr 2 or 3. I would draft him higher in best ball or total point formats.
Moonlight
Footballguy
You have to wait a few weeks to determine what is what. But one of things that concerned me preseason was a quote from Williams that he felt that he had more freedom to be himself with the new coach.
Jamo has struck me as a semi bone head who needs structure to succeed . Ben Johnson is a stickler for detail and I think was good for Jamo.
So it was not a surprise that in the first game that Williams draws a penalty for lining up offside.
Jamo has struck me as a semi bone head who needs structure to succeed . Ben Johnson is a stickler for detail and I think was good for Jamo.
So it was not a surprise that in the first game that Williams draws a penalty for lining up offside.
Chaka
Footballguy
The WR who finished 2024 as, roughly WR20 in PPR in both avg & total points (obviously different leagues lead to different outcomes but my league isn't that different) should be drafted as a borderline WR 4?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm concerned about the new play-calling being drastically inferior to what they had with Ben Johnson. I fear I underestimated this factor. They looked downright awful. Credit to GB defense but holy smokes I thought they looked really out of place the whole game.
Im watching this Bear game, im not worried about Ben Johnson. They have so many weapons they have to be good. The oline is a concern plus packers d is great. Also Jared Goff outdoors.
Chaka
Footballguy
I agree and, I am a little concerned. But, that was an already talented GB team that got the biggest possible morale boost just days before the game.
I'm on the mulligan side for this one.
Even so, I believed going into the season the loss of Ben Johnson along with a natural regression for the #1 scoring offense would lead to a lot of Lions being somewhat overdrafted. And, I'm the guy who drafted Jamo earlier than anyone in the four FBG Home Leagues.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Yeah, because he is so up and down. Don't try to make it sound worse. Wr 35 is still a wr 3.
I am drafting him on a combination of what he has done as a barometer and what I think he will do. While he plays for Lions wr 20ish is his ceiling (barring multiple and major injuries). Unless you are a top 24 pick, I don't want to draft a player at his ceiling.
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Struggling with start/sit:
Jakobi meyers vs Jameson Williams.
Leaning towards Jameson. The packers defense seems legit, which makes me think that’s why the lions looked awful last week.
Plus, with a player like jamo, you have to live with the good and the bad. If he’s on your team, gotta live with the ups and downs to get his game winning weeks . . . Chasing points will likely lead to benching him for his good games and playing him on his bad games.
But . . . Jakobi seems like a lock for a lot of targets . . .
Now, I know this isn’t a start/sit thread, but the idea of needing to stick with him to get his blowup games, I thought was relevant.
What is everyone else doing this week?
Jakobi meyers vs Jameson Williams.
Leaning towards Jameson. The packers defense seems legit, which makes me think that’s why the lions looked awful last week.
Plus, with a player like jamo, you have to live with the good and the bad. If he’s on your team, gotta live with the ups and downs to get his game winning weeks . . . Chasing points will likely lead to benching him for his good games and playing him on his bad games.
But . . . Jakobi seems like a lock for a lot of targets . . .
Now, I know this isn’t a start/sit thread, but the idea of needing to stick with him to get his blowup games, I thought was relevant.
What is everyone else doing this week?
Jakobi for sureStruggling with start/sit:
Jakobi meyers vs Jameson Williams.
Leaning towards Jameson. The packers defense seems legit, which makes me think that’s why the lions looked awful last week.
Plus, with a player like jamo, you have to live with the good and the bad. If he’s on your team, gotta live with the ups and downs to get his game winning weeks . . . Chasing points will likely lead to benching him for his good games and playing him on his bad games.
But . . . Jakobi seems like a lock for a lot of targets . . .
Now, I know this isn’t a start/sit thread, but the idea of needing to stick with him to get his blowup games, I thought was relevant.
What is everyone else doing this week?
Me personally am sitting Jameson for dj moore or boutte.
Proteus
Footballguy
Same.
With Jamo I need to see it first.
Even though we saw it last year.
This year's Lions are a whole new animal.
Pun intended.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jamo’s little brother is having a birthday Sunday, got everybody in the family in town from St Louis. Hasn’t talked to Antwaan Randle El or Ben since they left, “they’re not my coaches anymore.”
These are not concrete reasons to start Jamo. But I wouldn’t put too much stock into a one week sample size.
I’m expecting the Lions to play a much cleaner game. As we saw last night, the Packers are legit. Playing at home versus their old OC - how much motivation do you think that is fueling?
Lions haven’t lost 2 games in a row in 35 months.
These are not concrete reasons to start Jamo. But I wouldn’t put too much stock into a one week sample size.
I’m expecting the Lions to play a much cleaner game. As we saw last night, the Packers are legit. Playing at home versus their old OC - how much motivation do you think that is fueling?
Lions haven’t lost 2 games in a row in 35 months.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I'm more worried about the Xs and Os than I am the "motivation."
The play design and play calling was subpar week 1. Johnson's absence was noticeable. There is cause for concern here.
I don't but that's the inherent issue with Jamo in fantasy is it's hard to ever know when to start him. I would say this regardless of how he performed last week.
mjb03003
Footballguy
I wouldn't fade this guy after one quiet week. He's a big play waiting to happen and only takes one play to make his week.
Week 1 was a complete and utter disaster for the Lions offense. They're at home this week and I think they "get right." Williams was also noticeably better at home vs. away last year:
HOME - 35/583/4 (8 games), average of 4.4/73/0.5
AWAY - 23/418/3 (7 games), average of 3.3/60/0.4
I'm thinking we see a 5/90/1 type week from Jamo in Week 2.
Week 1 was a complete and utter disaster for the Lions offense. They're at home this week and I think they "get right." Williams was also noticeably better at home vs. away last year:
HOME - 35/583/4 (8 games), average of 4.4/73/0.5
AWAY - 23/418/3 (7 games), average of 3.3/60/0.4
I'm thinking we see a 5/90/1 type week from Jamo in Week 2.
