Chaka
Footballguy
Goff throws to the open receiver. With ARSB, Jameson, LaPorta and those RBs, Raymond and Patrick should be open a lot.
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WR Jameson Williams, DET (5 Viewers)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm curious about 1st half 2nd half splits as well since they curb-stomped Dallas. Did those other guys get more of a snap share in the 2nd half? Wouldn't change any point anyone is making here I'm just curious. If Dallas had showed up to play football yesterday could those top guys have ate more? Did those top guys play less in the 2nd half? I ask because I honestly don't know.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Did LaPorta get hurt?
No. At least not that I saw.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jameson Williams is on fire to start the season! -365 receiving yards (1st on team) -3 receiving TDs (tied 1st on team) -22.8 yards per reception (2nd in NFL) He's on pace for 1,241 receiving yards.
^^^Redditt teenagers dunking on haters^^^Jamo is WR17 (PPG) in our scoring format, which is tailor made for a player like Jamo. Bonus point for
(checks maths)
99 targets
54 receptions
1241 yards
22.98 YPC
10 TDs
Lord, have mercy
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Nope, healthiest he has been all year
The Lions have been very run heavy in the last three games since throwing the ball 55 tines against Tampa. This is mostly situational as the Lions viewed Tampa as a solid run defense. Every team in the NFC North has a top 10 run defense. As the Lions get into divisional games they are going to be forced to throw the ball more. The Lions aren't going to be throwing 55 times anytime soon, but it will be closer to 35 than 20, as it has been in recent weeks.
Also the pass attempts to Raymond and Patrick againat Dallas will tend to go towards Saint, LaPorta, and Jamo in tighter games. Patrick will still be WR3, but I would not expect more than 3 targets to him and only 1 or 2 to Raymond. Jamo may be somewhat of a hit or miss, but he is elite and hitting the long ball. Jamo dropped a TD and had another called back against Dallas.
Also the pass attempts to Raymond and Patrick againat Dallas will tend to go towards Saint, LaPorta, and Jamo in tighter games. Patrick will still be WR3, but I would not expect more than 3 targets to him and only 1 or 2 to Raymond. Jamo may be somewhat of a hit or miss, but he is elite and hitting the long ball. Jamo dropped a TD and had another called back against Dallas.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Forgot about both those. Man, could have had a monster. Just looked at the play by play - first one was 37 yards (drop), second was from the 10 (Gibbs OPI, picked the defender on Jamo.) Both drives ended in FGs.
5-123-3 + 1-11, final score 55-9
36.4 FF pts
Ifs and buts, nobody cares…
Loved that after the drop they went right back to Jamo for a 15 yard crosser. Keep his confidence up, don’t let him get down he had a missed assignment.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think we're actually at the point where regression to the new mean is going to be that he will have some more games with 7-9+ targets. He's probably due for another one of those soon. Could have easily gone that way yesterday if Dallas made a game out of it.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
I was expecting at least 4 targets downfield. Not one screen only
chad in Indy
Footballguy
As good as he is w limited targets, he is too risky to start beyond a flex. It's impossible to sustain waht he has done w 3-4 targets per game.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I should’ve started Raymond
Deamon
Footballguy
now what
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
He’s a one trick pony not a receiver
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Don’t want to hear anything about game script. That’s two weeks in a row he’s been out-targeted by Kalif freaking Raymond. Jamo had 11 targets in Week 2, and has 10 targets in his next four games combined. He’s been phased out to being a bit player. If he doesn’t take it to the house on that rare target attempt you get nothing from him. DJax was high variance as well but he got targets more consistently than this guy is getting. This sucks.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
LaPorta definitely most overrated player but you'd think they'd at least throw some balls to Williams.
Deamon
Footballguy
Goff isn't really throwing the ball much these days. He's been very accurate but very few passes thrown :(
Started both and BJT scored all 21 out of 21 for both of them.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Best offense in the NFL - points to scoreboard - on the most unified team.
Everybody gets some.
LaPorta has 2 catches on 3 targets. Happy as a clam, they're winning.
Amon-Ra has had 7 or targets in 44 of his 58 GP including the playoffs. The 14 g he had 6 or fewer targets, by year:
Jamo loves ball, it's about the team, ya know.
They're not great for FF. Who cares? As long as they're winning and leading the league in scoring, ain't nothing gonna change.
Everybody who needed to get paid got paid. Nothing but good vibes coming out of Allen Park these days.
Everybody gets some.
LaPorta has 2 catches on 3 targets. Happy as a clam, they're winning.
Amon-Ra has had 7 or targets in 44 of his 58 GP including the playoffs. The 14 g he had 6 or fewer targets, by year:
- 2021-7
- 2022-3
- 2023-1
- 2024-3 (after 6 g)
Jamo loves ball, it's about the team, ya know.
They're not great for FF. Who cares? As long as they're winning and leading the league in scoring, ain't nothing gonna change.
Everybody who needed to get paid got paid. Nothing but good vibes coming out of Allen Park these days.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Seeing as how this is a fantasy football site and not a Detroit Lions fan site, you can probably surmise the answer to the bolded. Happy for the recent success of your Lions, I truly am and I’m rooting for them to win the Super Bowl this year, but that’s neither here nor there as it relates to Jameson Williams’ lack of volume and as it pertains to fantasy football. NFL teams never have and never should care about fantasy football but that also should go without saying. It’s just frustrating seeing Jamo, an elite WR prospect coming out of college, taken 12th overall, reduced to a gimmick role, sharing crumbs with the likes of Tim Patrick and Kalif Raymond. Better real life player than fantasy.
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TartanLion
Footballguy
Yes… they have the luxury of offensive options everywhere on the field so they can just completely tailor where they go to the type of D, game script or where the better match ups are. It does not make for reliable fantasy players outside of Monty/Gibbs/Amon-Ra and even the last has been less consistent points wise this year.
Last week Jamo was in for 2 TDs if not for a penalty called for offensive holding that wasn’t even needed as he would have still made it in. Variance is too high he’s a break glass incase of an emergency type of player.
I started Jamo, Reed and Deebo yesterday to the tune of 1.6 points in half ppr and somehow managed to come out with a win
Last week Jamo was in for 2 TDs if not for a penalty called for offensive holding that wasn’t even needed as he would have still made it in. Variance is too high he’s a break glass incase of an emergency type of player.
I started Jamo, Reed and Deebo yesterday to the tune of 1.6 points in half ppr and somehow managed to come out with a win
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Respectfully disagree with the “neither here nor there” sentiment.
For FF purposes you want players like Davante Adams:
“When I go out there, my benchmark is not wins and losses, it's greatness”
Not gonna win FF championships with unselfish guys who love to block, who put the team first, just go along to get along when they’re not being utilized. Great WRs that pout and stomp their feet when they don’t get targets are the ones you want on your fantasy team.
And he dropped another that would have been a walk in td from the 30 yard line or so. Bad week this week, but this isn't going to be the norm I don't think.
packdog
Footballguy
This thread is gonna be filled with regret when he goes off again cause he was benched. His variance is not bad at all relative to where he was drafted. Two bust games, three wr2 games, and one wr1 game. What were you people expecting? As far as I'm concerned he has lived up to the hype and is a week winner any given week and one of the best players to have as a flex or wr3 in your lineup at a 66% hit rate
Lansdowne
Footballguy
How do you quantify that though? Sometimes hard work and selflessness and willingness to block is rewarded in seeing more opportunities. Aiyuk was a good soldier last season for the Niners, one of the best blocking WR’s in the league as well as among the best route runners, and he did a lot for his fantasy owners despite a meager target share. It’s also the same Aiyuk who was put in the doghouse at the early part of 2021 for not doing enough as a professional. You’re not wrong though in that the best WRs for fantasy tend to be the diva types.
In this make pretend game of ours we hope that talent and situation will lead to opportunity. As has been clear to all of us by now the Lions haven’t been the best landing spot for unlocking Jamo’s full potential. His speed will be utilized but only situationally, and he’ll never be featured. His ceiling and floor are both non-existent. Can win your week or sink it, and without the target volume he’s a greater risk of sinking it.
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Mookie
Footballguy
I hate having guys like this on my fantasy team. Game breakers who get completely ignored or shut out in some weeks, and there's no telling when those weeks will happen, so you wind up either benching them or chasing points. Their season totals look strong, but they kill your team in H2H matchups. Reminds me of Gabe Davis when he was on the Bills. I'm going to wait until his next break out and then trade him for some consistency.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
He's a much better player in smaller leagues where you need the most boom bust profiles.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
This reads like something that could've been in the Gabe Davis thread the last couple of seasons. High variance flex WR's acquired at low cost are fine but are not everyone's taste.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Watch until the end
When the replay shows the end zone angle, look at Jamo lined up on the left side. Runs an out n up, puts the CB in a blender - he’s open by 8 yards.
Goff never comes off his primary (ARSB) bc he was NFL open. Jamo was high school open but Goff never had a reason to go through his progression.
When the replay shows the end zone angle, look at Jamo lined up on the left side. Runs an out n up, puts the CB in a blender - he’s open by 8 yards.
Goff never comes off his primary (ARSB) bc he was NFL open. Jamo was high school open but Goff never had a reason to go through his progression.
That was one sick route by Jamo.
kutta
Footballguy
They were both high school open. Goff didn't throw the best ball to ARSB and allowed the corner to catch up.
But dang, Jamo killed his guy.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
10 targets in 4 weeks
Weeks like these were always inevitable, and why I've never seen Williams as more than a solid WR3. Amon-Ra is the CLEAR #1 in a run 1st offense. Williams simply doesn't have the volume to get there when he doesn't pop. Doesn't make him a bad player or anything, but he was never gonna be a WR1 with Amon-Ra around. He was just running hot with those pop plays, and those are always gonna level out, see Jayden Reed too. Volume>efficiency almost all the time.
Ouch.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Now we know why Detroit is off to a good start...
Who had the bet in here? This could be a difference maker.
McBokonon
Footballguy
These aren’t reports by some randos. It’s happening. Lions ESPN reporter, Schefter, etc.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I've been trying to unload Jamo since his two week breakout and have been unsuccessful at getting beyond the round 10 value I took him at... this won't help.
Even the league didn't believe Jamo was capable of his efficiency; so, they drug tested him.
Even the league didn't believe Jamo was capable of his efficiency; so, they drug tested him.
Sources: Lions WR Jameson Williams facing 2-game suspension
Eric Woodyard, ESPNOct 21, 2024, 10:49 PM ET784
Williams, 23, currently has the team's second-most receiving yards (361) and touchdowns (3) behind All-Pro WR Amon-Ra St. Brown and was off to a strong start in his third season.
The Lions (5-1) are coming off a thrilling 31-29 win over Minnesota in Week 7, but Williams was only targeted once for minus-4 yards.
As the No. 12 overall pick out of Alabama in 2022, Williams' NFL career has kicked off in a non-ideal manner. He missed the first 11 games of his rookie season due to an ACL injury that he suffered in college then was suspended four games for violating the NFL's gambling policy in Year 2.
The gambling suspension was originally set for six games, for mobile betting on non-NFL games from a club facility, but later reduced to four games after the NFL changed the rules. He was reinstated in 2023.
Williams is disappointed with the current suspension but says he has "no choice but to take it on the chin."
Is that Sam LaPorta's music?
