WR Jameson Williams, DET (4 Viewers)

[eighsse2]

There are many factors that go into a player evaluation

Yeah, I know that. But how to measure their actual contribution besides points (per game or year) and variance? There isn’t.

You can’t say “Jaymo ran a lot of routes therefore he was good for my fantasy team.”

You can only say “Jaymo ran a lot of routes which is correlated with success in the future for my fantasy team.”

I suppose there are things like routes and snaps that indicate potential coming changes. But for the most part, yeah, I agree, ppg and ppy are the gold standard.

 

[Hankmoody]

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

 

[BassNBrew]

PPG is certainly a predictive way to measure this guy. But I wouldn’t. He’s been in full control of his situation as an adult and is going to be working on his third suspension.

I wouldn't agree that he has been in "full control" of his suspension situations. I will agree that he should have been smarter or asked more questions or been more of an adult etc. However, the gambling suspension was odd and I would say not repeatable. The adderall situation also seems odd in that he can take it with a waiver but the waiver wasn't filed properly or something odd there.

Having a registered gun in his car also seems like an odd thing in that if you have a registered gun and are transporting it from one house to another what else are you supposed to do with it? Did he advise the cops he had a weapon? Did he try and keep it from them? This sounds like more of a misunderstanding than anything else and another odd thing.

I get that having odd things happen all the time eventually means that it's not so odd and this person has issues but taking each situation and looking at why and how they happened it doesn't seem like he was "in full control". More sounds like a bad sitcom with stupid misunderstandings leading to chaos.

I the truck or locked in a case out of reach probably would suffice. Under the seat probably isn't a legal transportation method. It all comes down to your conceal and carry laws in the state. in some places in clear view on the seat would be fine while that would be illegal in others. Kind of crazy to think that if you are transporting a gun in this country that you need to stop at each state line and relocate the gun and some cities you shouldn't even enter.

 

[Wrigley]

I assume any "dropping him for ____" is redraft, no way he's the lowest player on a dynasty roster.

yes sir

 

[BobbyLayne]

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

 

[King of the Jungle]

On the plus side he is a guy we do not have to stress about resigning. I would expect that they add a receiver in the draft next year anticipating this.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

On the plus side he is a guy we do not have to stress about resigning. I would expect that they add a receiver in the draft next year anticipating this.

This spring they will decide whether to pick up his 5th year option. If so he will be with the Lions through the 2026 season.

 

[massraider]

I think he's a buy.

He was much better than I thought in the summer, it does not look like LaPorta is getting Kelce/Bowers work, so yeah, I love him as a flex. A lot.

If I can get him for a discount, I will

 

[King of the Jungle]

On the plus side he is a guy we do not have to stress about resigning. I would expect that they add a receiver in the draft next year anticipating this.

This spring they will decide whether to pick up his 5th year option. If so he will be with the Lions through the 2026 season.

I understand, but looking ahead we have a lot of young talent and some tough choices will have to be made. He is making it an easy choice not to extend at this point. Whether we pickup his fifth year/trade him/let him run through year four will probably depend on if we can add adequate help at that position next year. His speed is nice but he has not come close to living up to draft position on or off the field. My guess is he is gone after next year as the Lion’s do not tolerate poor off-field choices.

 

[ratbast]

love the talent, sick of the player and his boom/bust/off-field issues. I had to drop for Tillman.

 

[Bad_Mo2]

I think he's a buy.

He was much better than I thought in the summer, it does not look like LaPorta is getting Kelce/Bowers work, so yeah, I love him as a flex. A lot.

If I can get him for a discount, I will

Yeah but the dope is literally sabotaging his season with the PEDs and the gun stuff. Like...wtf, bro? Grow the F up! You really gonna trust that the dummy doesn't pull some other dipshit stuff and be gone for the year?

 

[eighsse2]

I think he's a buy.

He was much better than I thought in the summer, it does not look like LaPorta is getting Kelce/Bowers work, so yeah, I love him as a flex. A lot.

If I can get him for a discount, I will

Yeah but the dope is literally sabotaging his season with the PEDs and the gun stuff. Like...wtf, bro? Grow the F up! You really gonna trust that the dummy doesn't pull some other dipshit stuff and be gone for the year?

Trust, no. Take a chance for a moderate price, yes.

 

[Birdie048]

What is a "Buy Low" price worth exploring?

I posed the J Addison for Jameson swap... reply was "interested" ... then it sat there 5 days before expiring.
--> Prior to the Gun issue info

 

[Mookie]

love the talent, sick of the player and his boom/bust/off-field issues. I had to drop for Tillman.

Same. Came here to seek validation and got it.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

The question is, to me, why are these guys riding around with guns in their car? He won’t be around the league much longer unless he changes his ways. IMO

 

[BobbyLayne]

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

The question is, to me, why are these guys riding around with guns in their car? He won’t be around the league much longer unless he changes his ways. IMO

Jamo don’t live in the suburbs. He lives in Detroit.

Are you against the 2A right to bear arms?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Allen Park — Dan Campbell’s Wednesday session predictably started with a string of Jameson Williams questions after the talented wide receiver was in the news a day earlier. WXYZ-TV reported the Detroit Police Department is conducting an internal investigation into Williams being released after being found to have a properly registered, but concealed weapon without a license.

Campbell confirmed he's known about the situation for weeks and the facts reported in the story were congruent with everything the player shared with the team the day after the early-October incident.

“They all lined up,” Campbell said.
Campbell understandably noted he’d rather not be dealing with these questions, but also noted the issue isn’t overly concerning.

“I really do feel like for us and the players, it’s a little bit of a non-issue,” Campbell said. He’s not here, I mean he’s in the building and he’s doing what he can, but we also know that we didn’t have him last week. We’re prepared to not have him this week and that’s just kind of how we roll. …We’re about the guys who are going to play, getting them ready to go, and we don’t bat an eye. How are those guys going to help us win the next game? And so, I do feel like that’s where we’re at as a team. So, no, I’d rather not answer (these questions), but at the same token, I don’t feel like this is a big distraction.”

Campbell said he will continue to emphasize to Williams that he’s held to a different standard as a professional athlete and that he’s accountable for his actions and decisions.

The coach remains confident these issues, which include the receiver’s current two-game suspension for violating the league’s performance-enhancing substance policy, are only temporary setbacks.

“Look, for me, I judge people over what’s in their heart, and I know what this kid’s made of and he’s worth hanging with,” Campbell said. “So, he’s going to learn from this, he’s going to grow, (and) he’ll be better for all of this.”

From the locker room, quarterback Jared Goff said there’s nothing that needs to be said by him to Williams or Williams to the team.

“He’s fine,” Goff said. “We’re good. …When he’s back from his suspension, he’ll be ready to go.”

 

[Stoneworker]

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

The question is, to me, why are these guys riding around with guns in their car? He won’t be around the league much longer unless he changes his ways. IMO

Jamo don’t live in the suburbs. He lives in Detroit.

Are you against the 2A right to bear arms?

As an adult, it was Williams' choice to live in Detroit. Therefore, it is his responsibility to follow the gun laws in Detroit.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

The question is, to me, why are these guys riding around with guns in their car? He won’t be around the league much longer unless he changes his ways. IMO

Jamo don’t live in the suburbs. He lives in Detroit.

Are you against the 2A right to bear arms?

Does everyone IN DETROIT drive around with handguns under their seat?

 

[Pietaster2]

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

The question is, to me, why are these guys riding around with guns in their car? He won’t be around the league much longer unless he changes his ways. IMO

Jamo don’t live in the suburbs. He lives in Detroit.

Are you against the 2A right to bear arms?

Does everyone IN DETROIT drive around with handguns under their seat?

They did in Robocop, which was set in Detroit. So I view this as fact.

 

[rockaction]

Jaymo is really testing Dan Campbell’s leadership and his team’s bubble of good vibes. That’s for sure. If he lets Jaymo slide, Campbell might be good for this year, but players notice that sort of stuff. Can’t re-up the guy when it comes to the option. Cut losses and move on. He could be Casper the Friendly Crip or Casper the Friendly Urban Youth so Typically Strapped, but either way DC’s got a full-blown issue on his hands right now. This guy reminds me of Ja Morant over in the NBA. That’s been a nightmare.

Jaymo could be the greatest kid in the world, but he’s pretty oblivious and doesn’t seem to care.

If you are a pro getting paid millions, would you not check your employer’s gambling laws that could result in your expulsion from the league for a decent amount of games (plural)? I would.

If you are a pro getting paid millions, are you not making sure uppers (even prescribed) have been cleared by the league? Even at age 21, I’m doing that.

If you are a resident of a city and you carry a gun (was it loaded?), aren’t you making sure about that city's gun laws knowing what happened to guys in your league? I am.

This guy is full of bull[bleep], frankly. These are really all little-brain or no-brainer things to do, and he can’t be bothered to do them.

 

[rockaction]

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

The question is, to me, why are these guys riding around with guns in their car? He won’t be around the league much longer unless he changes his ways. IMO

Jamo don’t live in the suburbs. He lives in Detroit.

Are you against the 2A right to bear arms?

Are you against reasonable restrictions regarding gun possession and storage while in a moving vehicle or on foot? Because I can almost dead assure you that the Supreme Court, even in their ever-expanding view of the 2A, does in fact consider it constitutional to have laws like this.

And what’s worse than anything that we haven’t discussed about this—now that you bring it up—is that Jaymo (Jazzbo) lives in Detroit and doesn’t follow Detroit’s gun laws when in Detroit.

 

[rockaction]

By the way, BL, I gather that a bunch of your comments are tongue-in-cheek and note that the Dan Campbell stuff is presented without comment.

I’m simply commenting on both your tongue-in-cheekness’ substantive argument and Campbell in a straightforward manner. I’m not shooting the messenger. I’m only shooting the argument from cheek and from DC.

 

[Banger]

This kid can’t stay out of his own way. A real knucklehead.

 

[steelwind]

Dropped in my 10 team half PPR league. Is he worth picking up if I drop Jalen McMillan for him?

Goff doesn’t throw many passes per game. Volume is an issue. He’s boom/bust. McMillan has starter route tree. Acquiring way more targets now. Though efficiency is the issue with Baker

 

[Ray_T]

I think he's a buy.

He was much better than I thought in the summer, it does not look like LaPorta is getting Kelce/Bowers work, so yeah, I love him as a flex. A lot.

If I can get him for a discount, I will

I'd agree with that. any suspension (if it should happen) would come next year. so if you get a discount to buy, you should consider it.

 

[JerryK]

Gambling and guns and Adderall—what could go wrong?
I work in the recovery field and I can guarantee you that most people are not aware of what Adderall abuse can do to a person.

 

[BobbyLayne]

By the way, BL, I gather that a bunch of your comments are tongue-in-cheek and note that the Dan Campbell stuff is presented without comment.

I’m simply commenting on both your tongue-in-cheekness’ substantive argument and Campbell in a straightforward manner. I’m not shooting the messenger. I’m only shooting the argument from cheek and from DC.

All good, pard. Just trying to provide info + context of the teams/teammates perspective.

These kind of threads take on a group pinata aspect - everybody wants to step in and take a blindfolded swing.

AFAIK Jamo has good support systems around him. Comes from a family of sprinters - mom and dad were h.s. sweethearts (still together) who ran track in college, all three of his siblings were collegiate track athletes. Like the whole house would get up at 6 a.m. for workouts lol. The youngest, Jaden (22) has a 3.5+ GPA at Wayne State in Detroit. He was the one driving. "I was just trying to make sure no one was following us." 22-23 year old logic - driving a Trackhawk in Detroit, we need guns to make sure we stay safe. The guns were "found" because the boys let the cops know they had licensed firearms. Not exactly surly thugs giving po po an attitude.

They got pulled over along Jefferson Ave near Conner...I used to travel that on my daily commute to the Renaissance Center from Grosse Pointe Park. They were between GPP and Indian Village, it's pretty nondescript, not a bad part of town by any stretch, not much to do around there, just a 5-to-7 lane artery from downtown to the close in suburbs with posted speeds of 35 or 45.

Honestly I don't think he's a bad kid, there's no indication (from afar) he runs with a bad crew or is out here wildin'. 23 years old, prefrontal lobe still developing, you hope he learns from his dumb mistakes but time to move on. Bigger fish to fry. I like how Campbell is handling it. "There's a rope dangling, it's tied to us, but you're gonna have to pull yourself up." Goff shut down anything from the locker room. "He's fine." when asked if he felt the need to address anything with him.

No guarantee they'll pick up his 5th year. I would think they will, but would understand if they decide not to, but lot of football to be played between now and that decision tree. Anyway, in ten more days they'll be on NRG Stadium playing the Texans on SNF, and I hope Jamo and Tank Dell light it up.


ETA - I'm a CPA, not a lawyer, but from a couple legal opinion pieces I read, seems like low risk to him personally at this point. Mostly an internal embarrassment to DPD because the average Detroiter would have booked and it sure looks like a Sergeant got the Williams' boys out of there scott free because dang it, we've been waiting 67 years for a season like this....

The league might decide to hand out something but IDK seems like a big nothing burger when you stack it alongside some of the other legal troubles we've seen NFL players get themselves into. But then again i'm viewing this through Honolulu Blue sunglasses so take that with a grain of salt.

 

[Zeppelin]

Does everyone IN DETROIT drive around with handguns under their seat?

No. I have mine in my hand.

 

[Hankmoody]

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

But there was a CPL holder in the car. Unless you're a Michigan lawyer specializing in firearms law I'll reserve my concerns. The CPL holder's presence could well supercede this just like a parent in the car supercedes many restrictions minors have regarding driving/transporting/possession.

 

[Hankmoody]

This kid can’t stay out of his own way. A real knucklehead.

This to me is the real issue. If he wants to roll around with a gun, go get a CPL. It's super cheap and super easy, why can't he make the tiniest of effort to avoid trouble like this? These are the kinds of things that are taught and learned much earlier in life and if he doesn't have this now he's probably not going to before his playing days end (which could like be prematurely because he can't get out of his own way). I'm pretty much out on him for this reason, not the actual legal issue which won't amount to much.

 

[Banger]

This kid can’t stay out of his own way. A real knucklehead.

This to me is the real issue. If he wants to roll around with a gun, go get a CPL. It's super cheap and super easy, why can't he make the tiniest of effort to avoid trouble like this? These are the kinds of things that are taught and learned much earlier in life and if he doesn't have this now he's probably not going to before his playing days end (which could like be prematurely because he can't get out of his own way). I'm pretty much out on him for this reason, not the actual legal issue which won't amount to much.

this is my take. he doesn't seem to have basic decision making / judgement control. It's gambling when you're prohibited, PED's, guns in car and these are what he's been caught for. He's not harming anyone else so I don't know that he's a bad kid or not but he's on a top team with a coach that supports him and he still can't seem to make right decisions. It's not that hard or at least shouldn't be.

 

[Hankmoody]

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

No cop knows every nuance of every law. It's far more likely the conversation went something more like this:

A: Driver has a CPL, we're all good
B: But passenger doesn't have CPL
A: That doesn't matter does it?
B: Not sure, let's see what C thinks
C: Your call guys, no one's been hurt, nothing's been damaged. If you want the mount of paperwork go for it, there's a donut shop around the corner I'll be there when you're done here.

 

[TampaMike19]

There is a clear difference between being smart and being intelligent. Clearly can get it on the football field with football smarts.

Intelligence and common sense is clearly lacking- wonder if the medication was supposed to help with this.

 

[BobbyLayne]

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

No cop knows every nuance of every law. It's far more likely the conversation went something more like this:

A: Driver has a CPL, we're all good
B: But passenger doesn't have CPL
A: That doesn't matter does it?
B: Not sure, let's see what C thinks
C: Your call guys, no one's been hurt, nothing's been damaged. If you want the mount of paperwork go for it, there's a donut shop around the corner I'll be there when you're done here.

You know Instead of guessing what the conversation was & making stuff up, you could watch the tape of the incident on YouTube.

 

[steelwind]

Back to FF. Is he worth picking up if he's on waivers? That's the bottom line.

 

[Banger]

Back to FF. Is he worth picking up if he's on waivers? That's the bottom line.

depends on who you are dropping and needs.

 

[zoonation]

This kid is a headache in a suitcase who averages 4 or less targets a game.

 

[eighsse2]

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

Is that how it works in Michigan? The CPL states what specific firearm it applies to???

 

[Hankmoody]

Is that how it works in Michigan? The CPL states what specific firearm it applies to???

I don't know, I had this caveat in my original post too, but it's gray enough that I'll let the process play out and and wouldn't be surprised by any outcome.

 

[Hankmoody]

You know Instead of guessing what the conversation was & making stuff up, you could watch the tape of the incident on YouTube.

I've seen the 2 minutes mashup of what was a much longer original stop, nothing about the intermittent discussions. Make your own youtube stop and check out the 100's of videos where the officer doesn't know what the hell they are doing and end up in the wrong. Or right, plenty of those too, but some of them take a discussion or calling in a sergeant or other escalation to have a conversation and get it right. It happens, and this is why laywers exist, because officers don't always get it right, or there's more to the story, or there are mitigating circumstances, or dozens of other or's that can come up.

 

[eighsse2]

Is that how it works in Michigan? The CPL states what specific firearm it applies to???

I don't know, I had this caveat in my original post too, but it's gray enough that I'll let the process play out and and wouldn't be surprised by any outcome.

I would "think" the CPL holder being present would make it okay. Just like if you let someone borrow your gun, if that person has a CPL, he should be fine to have it in a car. So why not just say Williams' friend was the one who was possessing the gun? But again, I don't know how the Michigan laws are.

 

[Hankmoody]

I would "think" the CPL holder being present would make it okay. Just like if you let someone borrow your gun, if that person has a CPL, he should be fine to have it in a car. So why not just say Williams' friend was the one who was possessing the gun? But again, I don't know how the Michigan laws are.

Yep I could see it going either way. "It's his gun, within his physical reach, and therefore not subject to driver's CPL". "Driver has a CPL, Michigan law clearly allows firearms in CPL's car regardless of ownership" - I did find a blurb saying this but it's in a tangentially related situation so didn't want to reference it.

I have a LCCH in Ohio and a few years ago was pulled over with my niece in the passenger seat. I did have a loaded handgun in my elbow rest storage, well within her reach, and informed the officer of that (required in Ohio at the time) as well as the one I was carrying on my hip. There was no issue as I had a LCCH and was legally allowed to transport them both that way. We were coming home from the range and had about a dozen total firearms in the car, most unloaded in a duffel bag in the back (SUV, no trunk) and the officer was very comfortable about the whole thing, we chatted about firearm stuff for about 15 minutes, he got a kick out of me teaching my niece proper firearm handling.

He's a knucklehead either way though, so he's off my list either way. I'm tossing out some lowball offers in case others feel the same way and maybe I'll flip him after he catches a 70 yarder in week 15.

 

[eighsse2]

I would "think" the CPL holder being present would make it okay. Just like if you let someone borrow your gun, if that person has a CPL, he should be fine to have it in a car. So why not just say Williams' friend was the one who was possessing the gun? But again, I don't know how the Michigan laws are.

Yep I could see it going either way. "It's his gun, within his physical reach, and therefore not subject to driver's CPL". "Driver has a CPL, Michigan law clearly allows firearms in CPL's car regardless of ownership" - I did find a blurb saying this but it's in a tangentially related situation so didn't want to reference it.

I have a LCCH in Ohio and a few years ago was pulled over with my niece in the passenger seat. I did have a loaded handgun in my elbow rest storage, well within her reach, and informed the officer of that (required in Ohio at the time) as well as the one I was carrying on my hip. There was no issue as I had a LCCH and was legally allowed to transport them both that way. We were coming home from the range and had about a dozen total firearms in the car, most unloaded in a duffel bag in the back (SUV, no trunk) and the officer was very comfortable about the whole thing, we chatted about firearm stuff for about 15 minutes, he got a kick out of me teaching my niece proper firearm handling.

He's a knucklehead either way though, so he's off my list either way. I'm tossing out some lowball offers in case others feel the same way and maybe I'll flip him after he catches a 70 yarder in week 15.

Yeah ... I drafted the dude, and my breaking point was actually after that video was posted of him acting all gangster with stacks of cash in a car or whatever, days after the gambling suspension. Thought he could at least show some maturity for a few days after the suspension news. I flipped him at that point. Then reacquired him very cheap later in the year when someone needed a QB. I'm holding him for now, though I would entertain an offer.

 

[steelwind]

Back to FF. Is he worth picking up if he's on waivers? That's the bottom line.

depends on who you are dropping and needs.

I would be dropping a very temp player like Singletary who I doubt I will use even if Tracy won't make it back this week due to his concussion. It would be a WR depth stash since I lost Diggs. And then there's unkown with Flowers role after Diontae was traded to Balt.

 

[WaltonGoggins]

This kid is a headache in a suitcase who averages 4 or less targets a game.

LaPorta?

 

[Ray_T]

Gambling and guns and Adderall—what could go wrong?
I work in the recovery field and I can guarantee you that most people are not aware of what Adderall abuse can do to a person.

hey would you share a bit more on this? if you dont wanna comment publicly on this you can send a private message. I'm always interested in seeing how stuff like this would affect the long term career of a player.

though the difference between use and abuse is likely a fine one, it would be interesting to know the facts about this.

 

[Da Guru]

Jamo didn’t realize you couldn’t gamble…Jamo was uninformed about the PED policy…my guess is Jamo wasn't aware of the local gun laws...

LOL. He doesn't seem to fit their perceived culture, but when you're talented, you get more chances. It's nothing new.

It'll be interesting to see how his career turns out.

Lions have him the rest of this season, next season, will pick up his 5th year option and then let him walk. Use him for 2 1/2 more years and most likely won`t extend him to a big deal.

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

The question is, to me, why are these guys riding around with guns in their car? He won’t be around the league much longer unless he changes his ways. IMO

Jamo don’t live in the suburbs. He lives in Detroit.

Are you against the 2A right to bear arms?

Does everyone IN DETROIT drive around with handguns under their seat?

I gotta chopper in my car.

 

[jon_mx]

What makes most sense he has ADHD. It takes him longer to learn, he is not good at focusing, and he does not pay attention to details. I think that is why the team and his teammates remain supportive. His talent is off the charts. It takes patience and support. He is going to do crap without thinking.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Jamo didn’t realize you couldn’t gamble…Jamo was uninformed about the PED policy…my guess is Jamo wasn't aware of the local gun laws...

LOL. He doesn't seem to fit their perceived culture, but when you're talented, you get more chances. It's nothing new.

It'll be interesting to see how his career turns out.

Lions have him the rest of this season, next season, will pick up his 5th year option and then let him walk. Use him for 2 1/2 more years and most likely won`t extend him to a big deal.

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Not sure how Michigan law will handle this nuance, but in Ohio the presence of the LCCH holder in the vehicle preempts the charge unless the firearm is in the physical possession of the non-licensee. Being under the seat would still fall under the licensee's right and responsibility.

It's like saying "a minor cannot possess alcohol" so a 6 pack in the back seat would be a big issue if a teen were driving alone but if Mom's driving it's a nothing burger. Until I hear more the "charge" doesn't concern me.

The pattern of behavior does though. He's clearly a moron and he clearly doesn't have the capacity to stay out of his own way. These guys always fade away pretty quickly.

The younger brother’s CPL is for him and for his registered firearm.

Jamo’s firearm is registered properly, but he does not have a CPL. The Michigan statue is clear how a non-CPL gun owner may transport in a vehicle. 1) Unloaded, And 2) In a carry case, And 3) Not accessible from the passenger compartment, e.g., in the trunk.

At the scene they tried the “oh that one’s mine [younger bro], too.”

OK, let’s see if your CPL is for that gun. Huh…not the case. In fact the gun is registered to your big brother. Wanna try again?

The question is, to me, why are these guys riding around with guns in their car? He won’t be around the league much longer unless he changes his ways. IMO

Jamo don’t live in the suburbs. He lives in Detroit.

Are you against the 2A right to bear arms?

Does everyone IN DETROIT drive around with handguns under their seat?

I gotta chopper in my car.