WR Jameson Williams, DET (2 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

What makes most sense he has ADHD. It takes him longer to learn, he is not good at focusing, and he does not pay attention to details. I think that is why the team and his teammates remain supportive. His talent is off the charts. It takes patience and support. He is going to do crap without thinking.

He is scoring 9.6 points per game which puts him at 25th.

Just take the L man.

You put people down who disagreed with you and rubbed it in their faces the first few weeks, then went fully MIA as soon as he started under performing.

He is easily one of the best buy-low players right now because of horrendous takes like this. Perfect time ro snag him up and get a guy who produces WR2 numbers the rest of the season.

lol really man? You talked so much trash and then disappeared when he did bad. That's extremely weak.

He was suspended for two games. He score significantly better than his adp when he plays And besides, where did I run? You just quoted me posting here during the so-called period I was 'MIA'. He is one of the best #2 WR in football. Certainly the most dangerous.

 

[jon_mx]

W

it's November and he has 21 touches (3.5 /g)

WR49 which is right around where ECR/ADP had him

WR30 on a PPG basis in our PPR bonus league that gives 3 points for TDs over 40

You should drop him then. Oh wait, you know better.

When did I say he's droppable? He's not performing even close to your predictions. He still can be a good value WR3/4

Who was the person who bumped this thread when Jamo went scoreless for a half only to have Jamo pop off a 50 yard TD immediately afterwards. It seems like it is you making it so personal.

I will stand by Jamo being far better than a WR55 all day.

 

[Deamon]

where did I run? You just quoted me posting here during the so-called period I was 'MIA'

You disappeared for 3 weeks even when people were tagging you seeing where you went. You're instantly in here after every good game, and gone anytime he does bad.

I will stand by Jamo being far better than a WR55 all day.

WR55 wasn't even discussed. Overall he has performed much worse than the WR1/WR2 you boasted about and put other people down for not believing.

Again, I own him everywhere and am cheering for him... just hilarious how you can't admit it if he's not as good as you said he'd be.

 

[rockaction]

2 down weeks, 4 boom weeks is not under-performing. Yes, he was suspended for 2. So what, we don't start him those games.

True, but who is your sub for him and what is their replacement score? What is Jaymo's VORP? If it is significant, he’s hurting you by not being out there. You’re not necessarily taking a donut in his absence, but look at your bench and your wire. How many points is the best guy (and that’s provided you select and start the right guy) scoring? Probably not a ton at this stage of the year. You’re likely scrambling. So if you were counting on him, you’re screwed. See, the problem with earnestly theoretical constructs like the one you’re alluding to is that they come up short in practice.

"In theory, Marge, communism works. In theory . . .”

And yes, I know that scene is to point out Homer’s resort to clichés he’s heard around Moe’s over an ice cold Duff to address an issue much more complicated than what he’s giving it credit for (Homer being so stupid that he thinks he’s both really smart for knowing that cliché and also that he thinks he’s imparting that knowledge to an intellectual inferior in his wife, which brings up the patronizing element of it, which brings up the sexism, which . . . one could go on forever), but there are also real elements of truth in what he’s saying. Broken clocks are right twice a day.

So in theory, we just slide another guy in and it’s not as if our lineup catches the zero, right? That’s true, but it catches something likely less than optimal, and somebody at his ADP that is still playing and available might be more valuable because of that availability.

 

[rockaction]

I wonder exactly how a fantasy analyst would break this down statistically. I honestly do. I don’t think they’d side with me necessarily, but I have a hard time believing that a consistently available player is worse or the same as an unavailable one, even if they’re scoring a point or two per game fewer than the unavailable player.

I don’t know. It’s interesting.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

He is one of the best #2 WR in football.

 

[Lansdowne]

Jamo is nice for the Lions and frustrating in fantasy. He’s closer right now to an ancillary player on the Lions than he is to being one of the best WR2’s in the NFL. 10 targets in his last 4 games played is laughable, if we’re comparing him with the best WR2’s in the NFL. His speed trait is elite but running cardio only does so much in fantasy. So far this season he’s basically Xavier Worthy with more explosives to his name, and ask his fantasy owners how they’re feeling about that experience at the moment.

It’s fair to be excited about Jamo’s potential and his future, while also being honest about where he is right now. The Jamo we saw from the first two weeks is not the Jamo we’ve been seeing since that time. He’s closer to being 2023 Rashid Shaheed (fantasy WR40) and while fantasy useful I wouldn’t consider that league-winning. I’d like to see that change. Whether we’ll ever get to see that from him, particularly in this super run heavy offense, is anyone’s guess.

 

[need2know]

A team is really going to have to push the lions. Thats going to be this week.

 

[Stat Correction]

Speed kills
Upside thrills

 

[BobbyLayne]

A team is really going to have to push the lions. Thats going to be this week.

Which weakness do you think the Texans will exploit?

 

[themeistersinger]

2 down weeks, 4 boom weeks is not under-performing. Yes, he was suspended for 2. So what, we don't start him those games.

Well for me, he had 2 down weeks, when I started him both times, and 4 boom weeks, where he was on my bench. Since it can't possibly be my bad start/sit decisions, I blame him totally.

 

[pinkstapler]

Basing Jamo on his previous years is pointless, he was WR4 and had little chemistry with Goff, which with Goff chemistry is vital. Goff and Jamo are cooking already in camp and Goff is focused hard on improving his deep ball this year.

Jamo is clear WR2 and the way the Lions spread the ball that will translate into 5 to 7 targets a game, which should result in about 4.5 catches a game. Jamo is looking at a stat line of 76-1140-9. Throw on a dozen rushes for 12-180-3 into the mix and you are looking at about 1400 yards and 12 TDs. That is Jamos upside. This kid has a gear and allusiveness which only Tyrek Hill has.

Maybe there aren't enough balls to go around to produce that, but I would bet Ben Johnson finds a way to utilize that kind of tool. Jamo's career rushing stats are an absurd 5-111-2. Jamo is ready.

What's the adjusted projection on the bolded for missing two games? He still getting there?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Current pace extrapolated:

15 g
75 targets
43 receptions
903 yards
8 TDs
10-80 rushing
189.3 PPR pts
=
WR29/WR27/WR36 last 3 seasons

 

[jon_mx]

2 down weeks, 4 boom weeks is not under-performing. Yes, he was suspended for 2. So what, we don't start him those games.

True, but who is your sub for him and what is their replacement score? What is Jaymo's VORP? If it is significant, he’s hurting you by not being out there. You’re not necessarily taking a donut in his absence, but look at your bench and your wire. How many points is the best guy (and that’s provided you select and start the right guy) scoring? Probably not a ton at this stage of the year. You’re likely scrambling. So if you were counting on him, you’re screwed. See, the problem with earnestly theoretical constructs like the one you’re alluding to is that they come up short in practice.

"In theory, Marge, communism works. In theory . . .”

And yes, I know that scene is to point out Homer’s resort to clichés he’s heard around Moe’s over an ice cold Duff to address an issue much more complicated than what he’s giving it credit for (Homer being so stupid that he thinks he’s both really smart for knowing that cliché and also that he thinks he’s imparting that knowledge to an intellectual inferior in his wife, which brings up the patronizing element of it, which brings up the sexism, which . . . one could go on forever), but there are also real elements of truth in what he’s saying. Broken clocks are right twice a day.

So in theory, we just slide another guy in and it’s not as if our lineup catches the zero, right? That’s true, but it catches something likely less than optimal, and somebody at his ADP that is still playing and available might be more valuable because of that availability.

Basing Jamo on his previous years is pointless, he was WR4 and had little chemistry with Goff, which with Goff chemistry is vital. Goff and Jamo are cooking already in camp and Goff is focused hard on improving his deep ball this year.

Jamo is clear WR2 and the way the Lions spread the ball that will translate into 5 to 7 targets a game, which should result in about 4.5 catches a game. Jamo is looking at a stat line of 76-1140-9. Throw on a dozen rushes for 12-180-3 into the mix and you are looking at about 1400 yards and 12 TDs. That is Jamos upside. This kid has a gear and allusiveness which only Tyrek Hill has.

Maybe there aren't enough balls to go around to produce that, but I would bet Ben Johnson finds a way to utilize that kind of tool. Jamo's career rushing stats are an absurd 5-111-2. Jamo is ready.

What's the adjusted projection on the bolded for missing two games? He still getting there?

1140 receiving in 17 games would translate into 1000 yards in 15 games. He has 9 games left. In 6 games he has 17-361-3. He will not get the receptions, but his ypc and TD rate will make his yardage and TDs close to the prorated numbers. I see him getting about 30-600-4 in the final 9 games (about 12 ppr points a game). So about 47-960-7 for the season.

The issue with the Lions is they have been dominating teams without having to throw much. Goff has only thrown for 145 and 85 yards the last two games. I don't think the special teams and defense will generate scoring plays and provide ridiculously good field position every week. Oddly it may have been a blessing that Jamo was suspended for those abnormally low passing output games, as he would not have produced much.. I expect Goff to get back the throwing 30 plus passes for 280 yards. And they will work Jamo back into the offense quickly.

 

[Chaka]

Oh, I didn't realize there was a Universal scoring system that applied to all leagues.

No need to be douchy

I didn't think I was.

 

[zoonation]

I think the biggest issue with Jamo is that while he got off to hot start over the first two games, averaging 10 targets per game, he has only gotten 10 total targets over his last 4 games combined. I'm sure he will still have some decent games but his recent usage combined with even more off field stuff is very concerning.

This. The targets just aren’t there. Too risky to start imo because the floor is catastrophic.

ten targets last 4 games but for 7-160-2 four good games, two zeros, three weeks of rest. kids a unicorn on the best and most relentless offense in the league.

yeah, if you are prepared to live with the variance then you will get rewarded sometimes. I'm not.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jameson Williams has reached 20mph on 18.0% of his offensive touches since entering the NFL in 2022 (highest in the NFL among players with at least 50 touches).

He’s nearly double the next closest player in Tyreek Hill (9.6%).

Per NFL Pro

 

[pinkstapler]

2 down weeks, 4 boom weeks is not under-performing. Yes, he was suspended for 2. So what, we don't start him those games.

True, but who is your sub for him and what is their replacement score? What is Jaymo's VORP? If it is significant, he’s hurting you by not being out there. You’re not necessarily taking a donut in his absence, but look at your bench and your wire. How many points is the best guy (and that’s provided you select and start the right guy) scoring? Probably not a ton at this stage of the year. You’re likely scrambling. So if you were counting on him, you’re screwed. See, the problem with earnestly theoretical constructs like the one you’re alluding to is that they come up short in practice.

"In theory, Marge, communism works. In theory . . .”

And yes, I know that scene is to point out Homer’s resort to clichés he’s heard around Moe’s over an ice cold Duff to address an issue much more complicated than what he’s giving it credit for (Homer being so stupid that he thinks he’s both really smart for knowing that cliché and also that he thinks he’s imparting that knowledge to an intellectual inferior in his wife, which brings up the patronizing element of it, which brings up the sexism, which . . . one could go on forever), but there are also real elements of truth in what he’s saying. Broken clocks are right twice a day.

So in theory, we just slide another guy in and it’s not as if our lineup catches the zero, right? That’s true, but it catches something likely less than optimal, and somebody at his ADP that is still playing and available might be more valuable because of that availability.

Basing Jamo on his previous years is pointless, he was WR4 and had little chemistry with Goff, which with Goff chemistry is vital. Goff and Jamo are cooking already in camp and Goff is focused hard on improving his deep ball this year.

Jamo is clear WR2 and the way the Lions spread the ball that will translate into 5 to 7 targets a game, which should result in about 4.5 catches a game. Jamo is looking at a stat line of 76-1140-9. Throw on a dozen rushes for 12-180-3 into the mix and you are looking at about 1400 yards and 12 TDs. That is Jamos upside. This kid has a gear and allusiveness which only Tyrek Hill has.

Maybe there aren't enough balls to go around to produce that, but I would bet Ben Johnson finds a way to utilize that kind of tool. Jamo's career rushing stats are an absurd 5-111-2. Jamo is ready.

What's the adjusted projection on the bolded for missing two games? He still getting there?

1140 receiving in 17 games would translate into 1000 yards in 15 games. He has 9 games left. In 6 games he has 17-361-3. He will not get the receptions, but his ypc and TD rate will make his yardage and TDs close to the prorated numbers. I see him getting about 30-600-4 in the final 9 games (about 12 ppr points a game). So about 47-960-7 for the season.

The issue with the Lions is they have been dominating teams without having to throw much. Goff has only thrown for 145 and 85 yards the last two games. I don't think the special teams and defense will generate scoring plays and provide ridiculously good field position every week. Oddly it may have been a blessing that Jamo was suspended for those abnormally low passing output games, as he would not have produced much.. I expect Goff to get back the throwing 30 plus passes for 280 yards. And they will work Jamo back into the offense quickly.

That one game was insane with field position. It felt like they hardly had any possessions start on their own side of the field.

Even if he doesn't meet the numbers EoS, it feels he will be a win based on ADP regardless.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I’m buying in dynasty as much as I can.

 

[TheWinz]

If we start by assuming WR1 means 1-12, WR2 means 13-24, and WR3 means 25-36, etc., Jameson's PPR weeks have been WR1, WR2, WR10, WR3, WR2, and WR9

 

[Chaka]

If we start by assuming WR1 means 1-12, WR2 means 13-24, and WR3 means 25-36, etc., Jameson's PPR weeks have been WR1, WR2, WR10, WR3, WR2, and WR9

Not to come off as a... whatever but one of his six games was one catch for minus four yards and another was one catch for nine yards (with one rush for minus seven yards) I don't think that gels with your numbers.

Typo or am I missing something?

 

[TheWinz]

If we start by assuming WR1 means 1-12, WR2 means 13-24, and WR3 means 25-36, etc., Jameson's PPR weeks have been WR1, WR2, WR10, WR3, WR2, and WR9

Not to come off as a... whatever but one of his six games was one catch for minus four yards and another was one catch for nine yards (with one rush for minus seven yards) I don't think that gels with your numbers.

Typo or am I missing something?

Yes, that's why I started my post the way I did. In those 2 crappy weeks he was a WR9 and WR10, not THE WR9 and WR10.

 

[BobbyLayne]

full PPR rank by week

1. WR5
2. WR23
3. WR115
4. WR24
5. bye
6. WR17
7. WR102
8. DNP
9. DNP

 

[Dez]

He was on the waive wire in 2 of my RTS leagues after being cut last week. I bid $333 on him in 1 league and got him lost out in the other where I didn't have enough money to get.

Seemed crazy to me 2 people cut this guy maybe they were rage cuts when he got suspended.

 

[nittanylion]

Jameson Williams is the key that unlocks Jared Goff's fantasy upside. Without Jameson, Goff appears to me to be a script-dependent, high floor/low ceiling QB. Add JW to the mix and Goff's ceiling starts to rise, and with it, the likelihood that he will attain it.

Stand alone value, Dwain McFarland calls them 'SICKO Leagues' - Leagues that start 3WR + 2Flex...those are the kind of Leagues that have room for roller-coaster rides like JW...where a larger-than-average Starting Lineup can sustain the variance of outcomes. Scott Fish Bowl, for example.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jameson Williams is the key that unlocks Jared Goff's fantasy upside. Without Jameson, Goff appears to me to be a script-dependent, high floor/low ceiling QB. Add JW to the mix and Goff's ceiling starts to rise, and with it, the likelihood that he will attain it.

Goff’s worst weeks (by far) were games 1 and 2.

Those were Jamo’s two highest production weeks in terms of targets, receptions & yards.

 

[-OZ-]

SICKO Leagues' - Leagues that start 3WR + 2Flex...those are the kind of Leagues that have room for roller-coaster rides like JW

every one of my leagues starts at least 4 WR. There’s plenty of room for him in these.

 

[Deamon]

SICKO Leagues' - Leagues that start 3WR + 2Flex...those are the kind of Leagues that have room for roller-coaster rides like JW

every one of my leagues starts at least 4 WR. There’s plenty of room for him in these.

That's absurd. 4 WR minimum PLUS flex? I've never even seen a league like that in my life.

 

[BassNBrew]

SICKO Leagues' - Leagues that start 3WR + 2Flex...those are the kind of Leagues that have room for roller-coaster rides like JW

every one of my leagues starts at least 4 WR. There’s plenty of room for him in these.

That's absurd. 4 WR minimum PLUS flex? I've never even seen a league like that in my life.

Fbg bowl. 3/2/1 2 flex

 

[BassNBrew]

I hit up 3 of the Dell owners in IBL offering Jameson. One bit. With Diggs out I think Dell will be more consistent

 

[-OZ-]

SICKO Leagues' - Leagues that start 3WR + 2Flex...those are the kind of Leagues that have room for roller-coaster rides like JW

every one of my leagues starts at least 4 WR. There’s plenty of room for him in these.

That's absurd. 4 WR minimum PLUS flex? I've never even seen a league like that in my life.

I misspoke. On average, 4 or more WR start for all my leagues. 1/2/3/1/2 is fairly common.

 

[Faust]

Al Karsten
Jameson Williams has reached 20mph on 18.0% of his offensive touches since entering the NFL in 2022 (highest in the NFL among players with at least 50 touches).

He’s nearly double the next closest player in Tyreek Hill (9.6%).

Per NFL Pro

x.com

x.com

 

[BassNBrew]

Al Karsten
Jameson Williams has reached 20mph on 18.0% of his offensive touches since entering the NFL in 2022 (highest in the NFL among players with at least 50 touches).

He’s nearly double the next closest player in Tyreek Hill (9.6%).

Per NFL Pro

x.com

x.com

Not really that special when you’re rested from suspensions.

 

[Deamon]

Another dud. Starting to get frustrating. Hopefully a long ball or two this week.

 

[TartanLion]

Another dud. Starting to get frustrating. Hopefully a long ball or two this week.

Both of his 2 uncaught targets were deep shots, one was an INT. One of his catches was pretty unbelievable actually he was hit from 2 different directions and folded in half, impressive that he held on to it. Feel he’s due an end-a-round type of play as we haven’t had one in a while and there’s been a lot of success with that. Although the last 1-2 times it was attempted the D were wise to it. I’m sure Johnson will have something up his sleeve to run it differently

 

[zamboni]

Another dud. Starting to get frustrating. Hopefully a long ball or two this week.

I think that's all you can hope for with him - boom or bust. Goff isn't airing it out nearly as much this year and even ARSB and LaPorta are feeling the pinch. Not much leftovers for Jamo.

 

[jon_mx]

Another dud. Starting to get frustrating. Hopefully a long ball or two this week.

Dud? He produced WR3 numbers despite not having a TD. A decent flex play last week for a late round pick. Goff was terrible on his deep balls last week.

 

[Deamon]

Dud? He produced WR3 numbers

On what planet is WR42 a "WR3"?!

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Dud? He produced WR3 numbers despite not having a TD. A decent flex play last week for a late round pick.

 

[jon_mx]

Dud? He produced WR3 numbers

On what planet is WR42 a "WR3"?!

34 in non-ppr

 

[Lansdowne]

Another dud. Starting to get frustrating. Hopefully a long ball or two this week.

Dud? He produced WR3 numbers despite not having a TD. A decent flex play last week for a late round pick. Goff was terrible on his deep balls last week.

Not a WR3-type week by any definition. His Week 10 was 41st best among WR for that week in PPR scoring, for 8.3 points.

In 2024 the overall WR36 (the lowest of the WR3 range) averages 11.8 points in PPR. Jamo’s performance was in the WR5/WR6 range. In the Yahoo league I have him in it is standard scoring and he underperformed his projection (5.3 points compared to the 7.2 projection).

 

[BobbyLayne]

full PPR rank by week

1. WR5
2. WR23
3. WR115
4. WR24
5. bye
6. WR17
7. WR102
8. DNP
9. DNP

10. WR42

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Quentin Johnston is another that gets limited targets but is a high production WR, you might be better off with QJ
Quentin might be the best WR on his team, Williams is not

 

[Ray_T]

"In theory, Marge, communism works. In theory . . .”

I love this quote. so true. in theory it does work but everyone needs to buy in and agree not to cheat the system.

problem is... human nature isnt that way. people will cheat the system and it will gradually get worse with the cheating and then the govt will clamp down of personal rights to enforce it until the rot (and the anger due to lack of freedom) destroys the system from the inside.

I also agree with your point on how Williams hurts you when hes not playing. totally true.

dont get me wrong I still think he should be rostered, but with guys like him there is a cost. from the look of it, hes a million dollar talent with a 10 cent head. I worry about the next time he does something dumb to get himself suspended.

I finally get to a point where I feel hes ready to perform on the field and then Boom another suspension. this is far less than ideal.

 

[Ray_T]

Not a WR3-type week by any definition. His Week 10 was 41st best among WR for that week in PPR scoring, for 8.3 points.

ok we are splitting hairs here. the difference between a high end WR4 and a low end WR3 is nominal. if you start a WR3 and got that statline youd be ok with it. not thrillled.... but ok

granted you kind of want more but its not a performance that(by itself) will likely cause you to lose. but its not gonna win anything for you either.

 

[The Gator]

Let's be fair, after two weeks he's a top 10 WR (#8 & #7 in my two PPR leagues).

So is Alec Pierce...

Okay. And so is Jameson.

 

[zoonation]

If you have to start this guy your hopes of winning anything are very slim.

 

[Gally]

If you have to start this guy your hopes of winning anything are very slim.

That totally depends on your lineup construction. If you have a few high floor options that set a nice baseline then a guy like Jamo is perfect for that construction. The upside to win a week along with other high floor guys is nice to have.

 

[Lansdowne]

Not a WR3-type week by any definition. His Week 10 was 41st best among WR for that week in PPR scoring, for 8.3 points.

ok we are splitting hairs here. the difference between a high end WR4 and a low end WR3 is nominal. if you start a WR3 and got that statline youd be ok with it. not thrillled.... but ok

granted you kind of want more but its not a performance that(by itself) will likely cause you to lose. but its not gonna win anything for you either.

You and I were on the same page back in August as far as Jamo being more of a high variance type of receiver in fantasy.

The reason I’m picking nits here is because the gentleman I was responding to has continually moved the goal posts as far as what our expectations for Jamo should be, earlier projecting a ceiling of around 1,400 total yards and 12 TD’s. That Jamo is going to be a fantasy WR2 at worst this season and anyone thinking otherwise is brain-dead and can’t see the breakout that’s coming. I wanted to believe but it just aint happening.

In half-PPR Jamo is currently the WR40 on the season, and was drafted at an ADP of WR48. There is a slight profit there but not this league-winning revelation that us Jamo owners were hoping for. Basically getting what you paid for rather than something more. 3/53/0 is something I’d be thrilled with from my TE given the fantasy landscape these days, but subpar for a WR. So far it’s been 4 impactful games, 1 mediocre game, 2 goose egg performances, and another 2 games lost due to suspension. Jamo is closer to matching the value he was drafted at in redraft leagues than he is at exceeding it, and I’m losing hope that he’s going to be used as anything more than a gimmick on this offense. Special talent but underwhelming production, regardless of the reasons/excuses behind it.

 

[Chaka]

Let's be fair, after two weeks he's a top 10 WR (#8 & #7 in my two PPR leagues).

So is Alec Pierce...

Okay. And so is Jameson.

It's way too early to eat crow but I isn't too early to consider, just consider, we all (by that I mean you all) may have made a mistake.

Your point?