WR Jaylen Waddle, MIA (3 Viewers)

[Ministry of Pain]

Probably not, but I think that "touches" may still be around 100 or so barring injury.  It's hard to project right now bc FA and the draft have not happened.  As I said in another thread, Gesecki is the key Piece here.  If Miami tenders him then the Offense isn't going to be exactly SF east bc he cannot block.  If they let him Walk and go after a more "complete" TE then I think the offense likely runs through Waddle and whatever Platoon of RBs MM decides to bring in. Parker and Williams likely aren't going anywhere and I don't see Miami spending a lot of scrilla on a WR when they intend to be a running team (maybe a "deebo" sized WR?)

You might want to take a look at this which means I do think Miami is willing to spend on a free agent WR. They'll do anything this off season to try and see if Tua can be a long term solution. 

Oh and if you have't seen this cheatsheet by Mike Clay you might want to peruse the menu a bit. Not a lot to eat but I think Miami could be in the market for Michael Gallup, he's a guy that I think needs more targets and stay healthy but I like him and could be the stretch guy we need on the outside. 

 

[Gatorman]

You might want to take a look at this which means I do think Miami is willing to spend on a free agent WR. They'll do anything this off season to try and see if Tua can be a long term solution. 

Oh and if you have't seen this cheatsheet by Mike Clay you might want to peruse the menu a bit. Not a lot to eat but I think Miami could be in the market for Michael Gallup, he's a guy that I think needs more targets and stay healthy but I like him and could be the stretch guy we need on the outside. 

 I think we have been over this and I think the WR/RB Core looks like this next year:

Waddle, Williams, Parker (maybe they trade him?), Hollins, Lynn Bowden, Gaskin, Duke Johnson*, a FA RB (Likely one w ties to SF like Wilson or Breida), and a FA WR or drafted one (big and fast so Gallup applies here).

I think a bulk of Miami cap money goes to an anchor O lineman or two. in any case, and since this is the Waddle thread: all of these things should open waddle up to maybe less targets, but 100 touches or so and more deep balls.  Let's hope!

 

[JohnnyU]

 I think we have been over this and I think the WR/RB Core looks like this next year:

Waddle, Williams, Parker (maybe they trade him?), Hollins, Lynn Bowden, Gaskin, Duke Johnson*, a FA RB (Likely one w ties to SF like Wilson or Breida), and a FA WR or drafted one (big and fast so Gallup applies here).

I think a bulk of Miami cap money goes to an anchor O lineman or two. in any case, and since this is the Waddle thread: all of these things should open waddle up to maybe less targets, but 100 touches or so and more deep balls.  Let's hope!

If Miami signed a WR it would help him, not hurt.  All stud WRs need a competent WR2.

 

[DropKick]

If Miami signed a WR it would help him, not hurt.  All stud WRs need a competent WR2.

Also not sure I get the Gallup love since, after an ACL injury, he probably isn't himself until 2023.

 

[JohnnyU]

Also not sure I get the Gallup love since, after an ACL injury, he probably isn't himself until 2023.

Perhaps I’m wrong, but I get the feeling Gallup has always been thought of in higher regard than he deserves.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Also not sure I get the Gallup love since, after an ACL injury, he probably isn't himself until 2023.

Perhaps I’m wrong, but I get the feeling Gallup has always been thought of in higher regard than he deserves.

I was talking Gallup but good points, let's pivot off Gallup and focus on a few others. 

-A guy i like quite a bit and would enjoy seeing Miami being in is Braxton Berrios who is going to be a free agent. He flashed quite a lot between the Pats and Jets, why not come to another AFC East team? I'm trying to be realistic about WRs that will actually be allowed to leave via free agency...for example, I don't think Adams is leaving Green Bay. 

-Godwin, Schuster, Mike Williams??? Maybe they will be around and maybe they won't but i see Berrios being able to test free agency and I'd like to see a guy who can do multiple things brought in to an innovative offense. 

But to JohnnyU's point, Waddle needs help and he exploited being the only WR most weeks that was healthy, his target count will see a dive down next year but he might touch the ball more on direct handoffs, we'll have to wait and see. Miami is not going to sit tight at WR, they need upgrades after Waddle. One great thing about Waddle was how bad he made the rest of the receivers look when they were targeted. 

 

[Faust]

Dolphins coach Wes Welker: Jaylen Waddle is 'kind of Tyreek Hill-ish' with ball in his hands

 

[King of the Jungle]

I was talking Gallup but good points, let's pivot off Gallup and focus on a few others. 

-A guy i like quite a bit and would enjoy seeing Miami being in is Braxton Berrios who is going to be a free agent. He flashed quite a lot between the Pats and Jets, why not come to another AFC East team? I'm trying to be realistic about WRs that will actually be allowed to leave via free agency...for example, I don't think Adams is leaving Green Bay. 

-Godwin, Schuster, Mike Williams??? Maybe they will be around and maybe they won't but i see Berrios being able to test free agency and I'd like to see a guy who can do multiple things brought in to an innovative offense. 

But to JohnnyU's point, Waddle needs help and he exploited being the only WR most weeks that was healthy, his target count will see a dive down next year but he might touch the ball more on direct handoffs, we'll have to wait and see. Miami is not going to sit tight at WR, they need upgrades after Waddle. One great thing about Waddle was how bad he made the rest of the receivers look when they were targeted. 

For a Phins fan you seem down on Waddle. He exceeded my expectations big time. Although limited because of Tua’s arm strength he proved he could be a dangerous short game weapon. I think he still has big play upside. Because of his smaller size I was initially concerned about his ability to make contested catches, but he put that to rest last season. I think the new offensive minded head coach along with WR coach Wes Welker present exciting times ahead for Waddle. Having other pass catchers added to the mix should only help. Outside of them adding weapons what are your concerns with his game?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

For a Phins fan you seem down on Waddle. He exceeded my expectations big time. Although limited because of Tua’s arm strength he proved he could be a dangerous short game weapon. I think he still has big play upside. Because of his smaller size I was initially concerned about his ability to make contested catches, but he put that to rest last season. I think the new offensive minded head coach along with WR coach Wes Welker present exciting times ahead for Waddle. Having other pass catchers added to the mix should only help. Outside of them adding weapons what are your concerns with his game?

Greetings and thanks for the post. 

-I am a Miami fan by birth. I watched every snap and Waddle benefited from the WR1 and WR2 in preseason, that be Parker and yes Will Fuller who Miami paid $10M+ to sit out with a busted middle finger all year. Waddle is/was Last Man Standing at WR and benefitted from a huge number of targets that I'm not sure he will see again next season. That's what i am getting at. 

-MoP would be highly interested in flipping Waddle for Elijah Moore but that takes a slightly longer approach although I'm confident Moore is going to make folks sorry they didn't trade for him before he explodes next year. He exploded in the limited number of games he played and started, very limited by his rookie QB and I see huge upside with Moore. 

-Waddle is going to see a few more people in the cuts around him and also other positions will see a steady diet of touches. 

Miami will not finish dead last in rushing under McDaniel, that I can almost promise you. There's a lot of varying factors and Waddle's stock is pretty high after those rookie numbers although all 3, Chase-Waddle-Slim Reaper all had very strong rookie campaigns, Chase maybe the best I've ever seen. 

In no way is Waddle anything like Chase and then you add in the cannon arm QB that throws to him, the drop off from Chase to Waddle and that's why I think Moore will still be the clear No 2 from this class over the next couple seasons as he rises. 

I'm salty that Miami wasted an extra 1st Round pick to get Waddle, he's not THAT good, he isn't taking over games at WR any time soon. He's a nice piece of the Offense, we'll see what McDaniel can do with him but don't believe the hype right now. Miami Offense in 2022 won't be anything like 2021, you can rest assured.  

 

[King of the Jungle]

Greetings and thanks for the post. 

-I am a Miami fan by birth. I watched every snap and Waddle benefited from the WR1 and WR2 in preseason, that be Parker and yes Will Fuller who Miami paid $10M+ to sit out with a busted middle finger all year. Waddle is/was Last Man Standing at WR and benefitted from a huge number of targets that I'm not sure he will see again next season. That's what i am getting at. 

-MoP would be highly interested in flipping Waddle for Elijah Moore but that takes a slightly longer approach although I'm confident Moore is going to make folks sorry they didn't trade for him before he explodes next year. He exploded in the limited number of games he played and started, very limited by his rookie QB and I see huge upside with Moore. 

-Waddle is going to see a few more people in the cuts around him and also other positions will see a steady diet of touches. 

Miami will not finish dead last in rushing under McDaniel, that I can almost promise you. There's a lot of varying factors and Waddle's stock is pretty high after those rookie numbers although all 3, Chase-Waddle-Slim Reaper all had very strong rookie campaigns, Chase maybe the best I've ever seen. 

In no way is Waddle anything like Chase and then you add in the cannon arm QB that throws to him, the drop off from Chase to Waddle and that's why I think Moore will still be the clear No 2 from this class over the next couple seasons as he rises. 

I'm salty that Miami wasted an extra 1st Round pick to get Waddle, he's not THAT good, he isn't taking over games at WR any time soon. He's a nice piece of the Offense, we'll see what McDaniel can do with him but don't believe the hype right now. Miami Offense in 2022 won't be anything like 2021, you can rest assured.  

I like Elijah as well and just made a move for him. I think you may be underselling Waddle as a better running game combined with McDaniel should afford some bigger plays. Targets will most likely come down but I can see him being used creatively in the run game and creating more splash plays. I like that he showed he can play short game ball and we have not seen the upside of the deep ball yet. The threat of play action should change that. Thanks for the detailed reply.

 

[JohnnyU]

Greetings and thanks for the post. 

-I am a Miami fan by birth. I watched every snap and Waddle benefited from the WR1 and WR2 in preseason, that be Parker and yes Will Fuller who Miami paid $10M+ to sit out with a busted middle finger all year. Waddle is/was Last Man Standing at WR and benefitted from a huge number of targets that I'm not sure he will see again next season. That's what i am getting at. 

-MoP would be highly interested in flipping Waddle for Elijah Moore but that takes a slightly longer approach although I'm confident Moore is going to make folks sorry they didn't trade for him before he explodes next year. He exploded in the limited number of games he played and started, very limited by his rookie QB and I see huge upside with Moore. 

-Waddle is going to see a few more people in the cuts around him and also other positions will see a steady diet of touches. 

Miami will not finish dead last in rushing under McDaniel, that I can almost promise you. There's a lot of varying factors and Waddle's stock is pretty high after those rookie numbers although all 3, Chase-Waddle-Slim Reaper all had very strong rookie campaigns, Chase maybe the best I've ever seen. 

In no way is Waddle anything like Chase and then you add in the cannon arm QB that throws to him, the drop off from Chase to Waddle and that's why I think Moore will still be the clear No 2 from this class over the next couple seasons as he rises. 

I'm salty that Miami wasted an extra 1st Round pick to get Waddle, he's not THAT good, he isn't taking over games at WR any time soon. He's a nice piece of the Offense, we'll see what McDaniel can do with him but don't believe the hype right now. Miami Offense in 2022 won't be anything like 2021, you can rest assured.  

I'm tickled to have Waddle on a few of my dynasty teams.

 

[menobrown]

Greetings and thanks for the post. 

-I am a Miami fan by birth. I watched every snap and Waddle benefited from the WR1 and WR2 in preseason, that be Parker and yes Will Fuller who Miami paid $10M+ to sit out with a busted middle finger all year. Waddle is/was Last Man Standing at WR and benefitted from a huge number of targets that I'm not sure he will see again next season. That's what i am getting at. 

-MoP would be highly interested in flipping Waddle for Elijah Moore but that takes a slightly longer approach although I'm confident Moore is going to make folks sorry they didn't trade for him before he explodes next year. He exploded in the limited number of games he played and started, very limited by his rookie QB and I see huge upside with Moore. 

-Waddle is going to see a few more people in the cuts around him and also other positions will see a steady diet of touches. 

Miami will not finish dead last in rushing under McDaniel, that I can almost promise you. There's a lot of varying factors and Waddle's stock is pretty high after those rookie numbers although all 3, Chase-Waddle-Slim Reaper all had very strong rookie campaigns, Chase maybe the best I've ever seen. 

In no way is Waddle anything like Chase and then you add in the cannon arm QB that throws to him, the drop off from Chase to Waddle and that's why I think Moore will still be the clear No 2 from this class over the next couple seasons as he rises. 

I'm salty that Miami wasted an extra 1st Round pick to get Waddle, he's not THAT good, he isn't taking over games at WR any time soon. He's a nice piece of the Offense, we'll see what McDaniel can do with him but don't believe the hype right now. Miami Offense in 2022 won't be anything like 2021, you can rest assured.  

I'm not sure Moore will be the clear #2 from this class, several candidates-including Waddle, but otherwise I actually agree with everything MoP has to say here.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I like Elijah as well and just made a move for him. I think you may be underselling Waddle as a better running game combined with McDaniel should afford some bigger plays. Targets will most likely come down but I can see him being used creatively in the run game and creating more splash plays. I like that he showed he can play short game ball and we have not seen the upside of the deep ball yet. The threat of play action should change that. Thanks for the detailed reply.

I'm tickled to have Waddle on a few of my dynasty teams.

Not a hater just FYI, I still think Waddle is going to be a strong WR but some of us down here can see he was the only option many weeks at WR, just by attrition he was going to make some noise. 

34/460/5TDs he managed to rack over 6 weeks and he didn't even start in 3 of those games. Over 17 weeks this equates to A LOT!!! 90/1400/14 TDs...those look awfully similar to another STUD WR we saw taken 1st out of this very talented batch of Rookie WRs in '21. 

-Don't get me wrong, Waddle is a terrific young WR with potential and I like the idea he would make bigger plays with a stronger running game, better OL allowing noodle arm Tua more time to wind up the rubber band, that's all true. 

Jets Offense is as bad if not worse than the Phins at the moment but surely it will get better in Year 2 under...who's the coach there? 

All I'm saying is Waddle sounds like he has a TON of Street Cred right now and he might be best on your roster or you could flip him and get Moore in return plus I'm guessing quite a bit more. Think of it like trading for Matt Stafford except you are moving Staff to the Rams and getting a starter plus multiple 1st in return, maybe you can't swing that but certainly a 2 for 1 or extra picks, Moore's value will likely sky rocket this year, how much better is Waddle gonna get? 

-Waddle did some amazing things, he racked up more receptions in 1 season than he did in 3 seasons at Alabama. he never cleared 1,000 yds in college, did it his 1st year at Miami...17 games but OK he did it and I was skeptical. 

9.8 yds per reception, that's a steep 10 yd drop off from college...same QB he had there.  

I don't play Dynasty and I usually take a long nap in the off season but it's good for me right now to stick my head into this vs drowning on cable news networks so I appreciate the back and forth with you guys. 

I hope Waddle explodes even more in 2022, as a Miami fan it would be delightful. But I loved Moore coming out of college and felt he was the most polished receiver I saw. I'm not anti-Waddle is what i am trying to express. 

Cheers!

 

[JohnnyU]

Not a hater just FYI, I still think Waddle is going to be a strong WR but some of us down here can see he was the only option many weeks at WR, just by attrition he was going to make some noise. 

34/460/5TDs he managed to rack over 6 weeks and he didn't even start in 3 of those games. Over 17 weeks this equates to A LOT!!! 90/1400/14 TDs...those look awfully similar to another STUD WR we saw taken 1st out of this very talented batch of Rookie WRs in '21. 

-Don't get me wrong, Waddle is a terrific young WR with potential and I like the idea he would make bigger plays with a stronger running game, better OL allowing noodle arm Tua more time to wind up the rubber band, that's all true. 

Jets Offense is as bad if not worse than the Phins at the moment but surely it will get better in Year 2 under...who's the coach there? 

All I'm saying is Waddle sounds like he has a TON of Street Cred right now and he might be best on your roster or you could flip him and get Moore in return plus I'm guessing quite a bit more. Think of it like trading for Matt Stafford except you are moving Staff to the Rams and getting a starter plus multiple 1st in return, maybe you can't swing that but certainly a 2 for 1 or extra picks, Moore's value will likely sky rocket this year, how much better is Waddle gonna get? 

-Waddle did some amazing things, he racked up more receptions in 1 season than he did in 3 seasons at Alabama. he never cleared 1,000 yds in college, did it his 1st year at Miami...17 games but OK he did it and I was skeptical. 

9.8 yds per reception, that's a steep 10 yd drop off from college...same QB he had there.  

I don't play Dynasty and I usually take a long nap in the off season but it's good for me right now to stick my head into this vs drowning on cable news networks so I appreciate the back and forth with you guys. 

I hope Waddle explodes even more in 2022, as a Miami fan it would be delightful. But I loved Moore coming out of college and felt he was the most polished receiver I saw. I'm not anti-Waddle is what i am trying to express. 

Cheers!

I believe as the Dolphins get better on offense and Tua settles in more, they will open up the playbook for more explosive plays downfield to Waddle.  Something we saw at Alabama.  He was uncoverable at times.  He has a lot more to grow before leveling out.

 

[Buckna]

I am happy to have him and tried to trade up for him some other leagues but no luck. I am not going to overpay to acquire him though for some of the reasons stated. Them sticking with Tua has me worried, as well as the peak behind the curtains this offseason provided by Flores accusations.

 

[mcintyre1]

Feel like this has to hurt Waddle's value. Some of it was definitely based on being the baked in #1 target option and you have to guess that isn't going to be the case with the capital Miami is sending for Hill (not to mention the assuredly monster contract).

 

[King of the Jungle]

Feel like this has to hurt Waddle's value. Some of it was definitely based on being the baked in #1 target option and you have to guess that isn't going to be the case with the capital Miami is sending for Hill (not to mention the assuredly monster contract).

Short term it does sting, still like the long term prospects. Hill will take the top corner with him so it does free up Waddle a bit. Good luck trying to make sure both are covered.

 

[JohnnyU]

This helps Waddle's overall productivity but it dampens his number of targets.  I think it will balance out.  Look at Kyle Pitts in Atlanta, he got the volume, but i think it hurts him they don't have anyone else to throw to.

 

[Desert_Power]

Feel like this has to hurt Waddle's value. Some of it was definitely based on being the baked in #1 target option and you have to guess that isn't going to be the case with the capital Miami is sending for Hill (not to mention the assuredly monster contract).

Yep. I have a keeper/auction league where I had assumed Waddle would be kept over Pittman. This weeks moves have me questioning that a bit.

 

[menobrown]

Waddle's key to success last year was his volume.  I only see 3 sure losers in this trade and he's one of them.

 

[jobarules]

Feel like this has to hurt Waddle's value. Some of it was definitely based on being the baked in #1 target option and you have to guess that isn't going to be the case with the capital Miami is sending for Hill (not to mention the assuredly monster contract).

Ya think? lol

 

[JohnnyU]

Waddle's key to success last year was his volume.  I only see 3 sure losers in this trade and he's one of them.

I believe you are thinking one-dimensional and you can't base 2022 on 2021 usage.  I think this opens up Waddle to better production than you think, but with fewer targets.  Teams won't be able to shadow him.  Waddle will be just fine IMO.

 

[Drezden]

Waddle will be just fine? Maybe, trade for Hill not helping his value, how much hurting, this is a question...

 

[JohnnyU]

Waddle will be just fine? Maybe, trade for Hill not helping his value, how much hurting, this is a question...

Waddle's yards per catch will soar, but his volume decrease some.  Waddle won't have the same coverage this season with Hill on the other side.  Those who think how can you think Devante Adams hurts Hunter Renfrow's value, yet Hill won't hurt Waddle's value?  My answer to that is they are two totally different WRs in how they were used in their offense.  While I do think Hill will get around 22% to 24?% of the target share in Miami, I truly believe Hill's presence won't hurt Waddle as much as some think.  Mainly because YPC will increase, while volume will decrease some, but not drastically.

 

[Boston]

His value all comes down to Tua...can he support two big time WRs (as well as Gesicki, Parker and Wilson)...the good news for Waddle is he will not be blanketed...the bad news is Hill does a lot of what he does as well...Waddle is too good not to have a lot of value but this will come down to Tua because it absolutely won't happen with Bridgewater at QB.

 

[Buckna]

Waddle’s not getting 140 targets again but I could still see in the low 100’s. The quality should definitely improve with Tyreek taking coverage. I see Gesicki being the most hurt target-wise, he’ll have some games but will be much more boom/bust than before. Stick a fork finally in Parker but he got 70 targets last year so not all of Tyreek’s may come at Waddle’s expense.

Improvements to the o’line and coaching philosophy and hopefully a healthy Tua should help the overall offense. Those Jacoby Brisset games were abysmal. Waddle got a lot of targets but they were mostly short catches going nowhere.

 

[Crippler]

Waddle will be fine. This hurts Hill the most. Giescki maybe but I think about the same

reasons

1. Tua. Deep ball not as good

2. Tua. Relationship with Waddle goes back to college days. Chemistry is huge. Why Giescki may do okay still also. Why Waddle was so successful in year 1

3. Age. I think the youthfulness is key here also. 
 

Give me Waddle in 2-3 over Hill in 1 all day. In fact I think Waddle will outscore him this year and future years. 

 

[Faust]

Travis Wingfield @WingfieldNFL

Every rep from Jaylen Waddle in that period resulted in a catch and the DB just stopping as Waddle finished it running into the end zone. Could not cover him

https://twitter.com/wingfieldnfl/status/1557735259797458944?s=21

 

[Faust]

Cameron Wolfe @CameronWolfe

Jaylen Waddle just made a great grab through contact for a TD from Tua Tagovailoa. Waddle looked like a No.1 WR last year and even better this year with Tyreek Hill here.

https://twitter.com/cameronwolfe/status/1557748235267149824?s=21

 

[spurs44]

Waddle’s not getting 140 targets again but I could still see in the low 100’s. The quality should definitely improve with Tyreek taking coverage. I see Gesicki being the most hurt target-wise, he’ll have some games but will be much more boom/bust than before. Stick a fork finally in Parker but he got 70 targets last year so not all of Tyreek’s may come at Waddle’s expense.

Improvements to the o’line and coaching philosophy and hopefully a healthy Tua should help the overall offense. Those Jacoby Brisset games were abysmal. Waddle got a lot of

 

[spurs44]

Waddle will be fine. This hurts Hill the most. Giescki maybe but I think about the same

reasons

1. Tua. Deep ball not as good

2. Tua. Relationship with Waddle goes back to college days. Chemistry is huge. Why Giescki may do okay still also. Why Waddle was so successful in year 1

3. Age. I think the youthfulness is key here also.


Give me Waddle in 2-3 over Hill in 1 all day. In fact I think Waddle will outscore him this year and future years.

I think of 1A and 1B. In terms of dynasty I'd take Waddle everyday and Sunday over Hill, obviously. In ppr Hill has the advantage but thr gap gets smaller in standard leagues. Hill had the luxury of Kelce forcing defenses to focus on the underneath intermittent passing. Hill's game is mostly the long ball. In my opinion he will have to adjust to this offense more than Waddle. Having said this if Tua can even be a vanilla Mahomes then both wr's will have plenty to eat.

 

[Tanner9919]

Tua has been throwing darts and dimes ( whatever that means) during camp, reports are he's looked stellar. Hill's involvement hurts Gesecki more than Waddle.
Waddle has Tua's ear, so to speak.

 

[Faust]

NFL Network's Cameron Wolfe reports Jaylen Waddle has missed "most of the last two weeks" of practice with an undisclosed injury.​

Coach Mike McDaniel said the team is just being cautious, but with the Dolphins implementing a new offense under first-year coach McDaniel, Waddle is missing precious reps while Tyreek Hill separates himself as the alpha WR1 with Tua Tagovailoa. Waddle was seen with a wrap on his right leg Wednesday and went back inside with the training staff following stretches.
SOURCE: Cameron Wolfe on Twitter
Aug 24, 2022, 2:00 PM ET

 

[jm192]

NFL Network's Cameron Wolfe reports Jaylen Waddle has missed "most of the last two weeks" of practice with an undisclosed injury.​

Coach Mike McDaniel said the team is just being cautious, but with the Dolphins implementing a new offense under first-year coach McDaniel, Waddle is missing precious reps while Tyreek Hill separates himself as the alpha WR1 with Tua Tagovailoa. Waddle was seen with a wrap on his right leg Wednesday and went back inside with the training staff following stretches.
SOURCE: Cameron Wolfe on Twitter
Aug 24, 2022, 2:00 PM ET

It may be nothing, but missing big chunks of practice time with an undisclosed injury leading up to the seasons doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

 

[SoBeDad]

>>Waddle has been out with a lower body injury that Mike McDaniel has said is not serious. Waddle, who had one of his ankles heavily taped, was on the field but did not partake in any team drills.<<

From Barry Jackson

 

[Ministry of Pain]

They have to say something since they won't play him in the last preseason game, doubt Hill will be running a lot of routes that night and I don't expect to see Tua out there very long either.

 

[SoBeDad]

They have to say something since they won't play him in the last preseason game, doubt Hill will be running a lot of routes that night and I don't expect to see Tua out there very long either.

Practice was canceled today due to some Dolphin players and staff coming down with a possibly contagious non-Covid stomach bug. So, the Eagles practiced on Miami's field on their own. Bummer for those drafting this weekend (me), if Waddle doesn't play this weekend we might not know why. No word on whether Chipotle was involved.

Dolphins cancel joint practice with Eagles. Miami players dealing with stomach bug

>>Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel called the stomach bug, which affected “more than a couple players” and additional staff members, a “unique curveball.” He said the illness appears to be contagious and the decision to scrap practice was to prevent further spread ahead of the team’s preseason finale against the Eagles on Saturday night. “It all comes down to wanting to be able to fully play the preseason game as planned,” McDaniel said. “... I didn’t want to have half the team drained out from a stomach bug, fight through the heat and then have depleted performance in the preseason game. Because for a lot of guys, it’s the most important game of their career. And I hold a strong amount of value in that and I didn’t want to compromise that in any way.”

McDaniel said the emergence of multiple players with the stomach bug “may or may not” impact players’ availability for the final preseason game. Though McDaniel had not yet announced a decision on whether he would play starters, very few are likely to see the field again before the team’s regular-season opener against the New England Patriots at Hard Rock Stadium on Sept. 11. While it’s a non-COVID illness that led to the cancellation of practice, McDaniel said the team is undertaking similar sanitary measures that have been implemented in the last two seasons as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.<<

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"Unique Curveball"
-Coach M&M

Gotta keep a running list of things he says

And we still have about 17-18 days until the Sept 11th and Week 1...are we really worried about a stomach bug impacting players for the opener? "Biggest game of their lives" and it's the final preseason game where almost no meaningful star player is likely to see the field.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Luau with Tua, charity work and from all accounts was a huge success. All of his coaches were there including Mike McDaniel.

Tua Tagovailoa & Waddle LIT At Luau & Tyreek Hill TURNT UP 🔥

Tua Tagovailoa & Waddle LIT At Luau & Tyreek Hill TURNT UP 🔥

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LUAU WITH TUA TAGOVAILOA | MIAMI DOLPHINS

On Saturday, April 11, 2022, QB Tua Tagovailoa hosted a "Luau with Tua" at the Hard Rock Seminole benefiting the Tua Foundation, Big Brother Big Sisters of M...

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I bring it up and link these because Colin Blowhard was talking about Miami today and of course the Luau somehow has made it into the coach speak of McDaniel.

THE HERD | Colin "backlash" Tua Tagovailoa's "bravado" is key to progress & success for Dolphins

#Undisputed #SkipBayless #ShannonSharpe THE HERD | Colin "backlash" Tua Tagovailoa's "bravado" is key to progress & success for Dolphins

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"When I first got here, when I first met him, and took in his personality, (this) was a guy that was very guarded with scars," the coach said. "This offseason, Tua had a foundation event. This guy that was quiet -- you could tell he was trying to please -- he jumps on stage with some bongos in the background and is dancing with this glow -- chest out, (with a) confidence, a bravado, that was magnetic. And I was like, 'That's it.' That is the spirit of the athlete that, if we can bring out on that field, that's how you can play the quarterback position the best way.

Again I like to key on what I find to be a very immature QB with a lot of anxiety issues right now.

 

[zeeshan2]

Lots of concern about the corners, obviously. But Jaylen Waddle is now in his third week of dealing with an unspecified injury (believed to be soft-tissue, lower-body).

https://twitter.com/AdamHBeasley/status/1564662556278591489

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Drafted with the 6th pick overall in 2021, this Rookie was about the last man standing most weeks and saw several games with target totals he won't find as easily this year, let's just get to brass tax and stop sugarcoating it. Dynasty-bright, Redraft-not as bright as some like to think and then you add in injuries and I see a step back for him in '22 and especially with more mouths to feed on Offense, he won't find himself the center of the playbook this year.

140 targets last year will lower itself this season. last year he had games with 13-13-12-11-11-10-10, that's 80 targets in 7 games, that's going to change this season with the new additions.

My projection this year would be more in the 8-9 range for targets per game on the season and that would mean some weeks he might only see 4-5-6 targets or about 100-110 on the season. Waddle is now battling undisclosed injuries, he missed 1 game last season.

110 targets=80 catches for him so I'll say 80/900/5-6TDs

Tua hasn't shown he can support multiple WR1 type production and I believe Hill will get first crack, then you have new RBs on the roster and TEs which receive targets in the SF offense, how good was the WR2 in San Fran the last 3-4 years? Aiyuk role?

-Waddle could possibly get a higher yds per catch which I did bump him since he was under 10 yds per catch, hope that trend doesn't continue. If he could move that up into the 12-15 range then he would take on a much more significant role in the offense and percentage of the passing game.

I think many who drafted him are going to be disappointed and those in Dynasty are going to also start pounding the drums when his numbers take a dip this year.
Miami also signed Wilson for 3yr/$22M in the off season as their WR3. Chase Edmonds at RB offers a weapon we haven't had in a while here coming out of the back field.

 

[eighsse2]

My projection this year would be more in the 8-9 range for targets per game on the season and that would mean some weeks he might only see 4-5-6 targets or about 100-110 on the season.

8-9 per game would be 136-153 on the season. Is this accounting for a few expected games missed? Or are you saying that his "big weeks" will be 8-9, and other weeks 4-6?

 

[travdogg]

Drafted with the 6th pick overall in 2021, this Rookie was about the last man standing most weeks and saw several games with target totals he won't find as easily this year, let's just get to brass tax and stop sugarcoating it. Dynasty-bright, Redraft-not as bright as some like to think and then you add in injuries and I see a step back for him in '22 and especially with more mouths to feed on Offense, he won't find himself the center of the playbook this year.

140 targets last year will lower itself this season. last year he had games with 13-13-12-11-11-10-10, that's 80 targets in 7 games, that's going to change this season with the new additions.

My projection this year would be more in the 8-9 range for targets per game on the season and that would mean some weeks he might only see 4-5-6 targets or about 100-110 on the season. Waddle is now battling undisclosed injuries, he missed 1 game last season.

110 targets=80 catches for him so I'll say 80/900/5-6TDs

Tua hasn't shown he can support multiple WR1 type production and I believe Hill will get first crack, then you have new RBs on the roster and TEs which receive targets in the SF offense, how good was the WR2 in San Fran the last 3-4 years? Aiyuk role?

-Waddle could possibly get a higher yds per catch which I did bump him since he was under 10 yds per catch, hope that trend doesn't continue. If he could move that up into the 12-15 range then he would take on a much more significant role in the offense and percentage of the passing game.

I think many who drafted him are going to be disappointed and those in Dynasty are going to also start pounding the drums when his numbers take a dip this year.
Miami also signed Wilson for 3yr/$22M in the off season as their WR3. Chase Edmonds at RB offers a weapon we haven't had in a while here coming out of the back field.

I would agree with much of this, though I think Waddle's YPC in this offense could skyrocket, like close to 15 or so. So while 100 catches is very unlikely to happen again, he could put up similar yards/TDs on probably 70-75 catches.

I'd also argue that Cedrick Wilson isn't a real threat to anyone, and probably will end up being a waste of money. If they knew Hill was going to be available, I doubt he ever gets signed in the first place. I also don't see Gesicki and co, putting up anywhere near Kittle numbers, so Waddle could absorb some of that, at least the targets anyway, not the role.

I've got Waddle at WR18 personally and could probably argue him anywhere from 14-19. Taht said, he's not exactly somebody I'm targeting, more like settling for. Being that I've got guys like Sutton and Hollywood ahead of him, it probably won't come up.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Tua was on pace for 550 attempts last season - 338 in roughly 12 games. Waddle accounted for a 31% target share. If we take Mike Clay's prediction of 21% of targets and pass attempts remain the same, which I think is conservative... that's 7 targets per game.

Stats would be roughly 90 receptions - 10 ypc (again, conservative) and I think he will score more than 6 times. But his floor is 235 points if he just repeats what he did last year with fewer targets.

I guess, I see him benefiting from Tyreek Hill and another year with Tua overall. While targets may go down, quality will increase.

100 receptions - 1300yds - 10 TDs - 290 fantasy points in PPR. Seems pretty doable, actually.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

My projection this year would be more in the 8-9 range for targets per game on the season and that would mean some weeks he might only see 4-5-6 targets or about 100-110 on the season.

8-9 per game would be 136-153 on the season. Is this accounting for a few expected games missed? Or are you saying that his "big weeks" will be 8-9, and other weeks 4-6?

Drafted with the 6th pick overall in 2021, this Rookie was about the last man standing most weeks and saw several games with target totals he won't find as easily this year, let's just get to brass tax and stop sugarcoating it. Dynasty-bright, Redraft-not as bright as some like to think and then you add in injuries and I see a step back for him in '22 and especially with more mouths to feed on Offense, he won't find himself the center of the playbook this year.

140 targets last year will lower itself this season. last year he had games with 13-13-12-11-11-10-10, that's 80 targets in 7 games, that's going to change this season with the new additions.

My projection this year would be more in the 8-9 range for targets per game on the season and that would mean some weeks he might only see 4-5-6 targets or about 100-110 on the season. Waddle is now battling undisclosed injuries, he missed 1 game last season.

110 targets=80 catches for him so I'll say 80/900/5-6TDs

Tua hasn't shown he can support multiple WR1 type production and I believe Hill will get first crack, then you have new RBs on the roster and TEs which receive targets in the SF offense, how good was the WR2 in San Fran the last 3-4 years? Aiyuk role?

-Waddle could possibly get a higher yds per catch which I did bump him since he was under 10 yds per catch, hope that trend doesn't continue. If he could move that up into the 12-15 range then he would take on a much more significant role in the offense and percentage of the passing game.

I think many who drafted him are going to be disappointed and those in Dynasty are going to also start pounding the drums when his numbers take a dip this year.
Miami also signed Wilson for 3yr/$22M in the off season as their WR3. Chase Edmonds at RB offers a weapon we haven't had in a while here coming out of the back field.

I would agree with much of this, though I think Waddle's YPC in this offense could skyrocket, like close to 15 or so. So while 100 catches is very unlikely to happen again, he could put up similar yards/TDs on probably 70-75 catches.

I'd also argue that Cedrick Wilson isn't a real threat to anyone, and probably will end up being a waste of money. If they knew Hill was going to be available, I doubt he ever gets signed in the first place. I also don't see Gesicki and co, putting up anywhere near Kittle numbers, so Waddle could absorb some of that, at least the targets anyway, not the role.

I've got Waddle at WR18 personally and could probably argue him anywhere from 14-19. Taht said, he's not exactly somebody I'm targeting, more like settling for. Being that I've got guys like Sutton and Hollywood ahead of him, it probably won't come up.

Tua was on pace for 550 attempts last season - 338 in roughly 12 games. Waddle accounted for a 31% target share. If we take Mike Clay's prediction of 21% of targets and pass attempts remain the same, which I think is conservative... that's 7 targets per game.

Stats would be roughly 90 receptions - 10 ypc (again, conservative) and I think he will score more than 6 times. But his floor is 235 points if he just repeats what he did last year with fewer targets.

I guess, I see him benefiting from Tyreek Hill and another year with Tua overall. While targets may go down, quality will increase.

100 receptions - 1300yds - 10 TDs - 290 fantasy points in PPR. Seems pretty doable, actually.

-Outstanding work and feedback.

17 games x 7 targets avg, 5 catches a game puts us at 80+ which is about my prediction. On weeks Miami can get away with fewer passes and more pronounced running game, less targets for everyone. Miami has STUNK running the ball since Moby **** was a minnow, hard to gauge what a Top 10 Offense will look like since Miami has not had one of those in over 25 years...think about that, all the way back to Marino and we've never had a Top 10 Offense since then.

-Trav mentioned that his yds per catch could skyrocket, he was a 20 yds a clip guy in college, I looked it up and was shocked how few yds on so many receptions. Yes! His stats could go up with that one adjustment even with fewer targets and receptions.

-I would like to see them attempt the Deebo role with Waddle since he's younger and a lot cheaper than the money they are shelling out on Hill, keep that guy running fly patterns and taking 2 DBs with him down the field every snap.

75% catch ratio but under 10 yds a clip, the yds will come up but the catch % will likely trend in the other direction. Say 65% which is still pretty darn good.

Jaded Dolphins fan to boot, take it all with a grain of salt but I also know what I am watching unfold right now. I hope Waddle makes another big splash this season, only good things for the Phins will happen if he's balling as their 2nd and 3rd option.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

-Outstanding work and feedback.

17 games x 7 targets avg, 5 catches a game puts us at 80+ which is about my prediction. On weeks Miami can get away with fewer passes and more pronounced running game, less targets for everyone. Miami has STUNK running the ball since Moby **** was a minnow, hard to gauge what a Top 10 Offense will look like since Miami has not had one of those in over 25 years...think about that, all the way back to Marino and we've never had a Top 10 Offense since then.

-Trav mentioned that his yds per catch could skyrocket, he was a 20 yds a clip guy in college, I looked it up and was shocked how few yds on so many receptions. Yes! His stats could go up with that one adjustment even with fewer targets and receptions.

-I would like to see them attempt the Deebo role with Waddle since he's younger and a lot cheaper than the money they are shelling out on Hill, keep that guy running fly patterns and taking 2 DBs with him down the field every snap.

75% catch ratio but under 10 yds a clip, the yds will come up but the catch % will likely trend in the other direction. Say 65% which is still pretty darn good.

Jaded Dolphins fan to boot, take it all with a grain of salt but I also know what I am watching unfold right now. I hope Waddle makes another big splash this season, only good things for the Phins will happen if he's balling as their 2nd and 3rd option.

I can understand the trepidation, but based on Tua's performance - if I was going to worry about anyone, it would be Tyreek. I mean, we have already seen his highest possible output and Tua could replicate those numbers, but that is the best it will get. I think the most plausible outcome is Waddle rises as the tide rises and sees better quality, more space, more yardage and more TD's. I've just seen what he could do with a bad team and think the Dolphins are much improved.

MOP - I am a Cowboys fan, unlike the crazy ones who go into every season thinking we are going to win the Super Bowl ever year. I understand your frustration, but it just seems like Waddle is a talent that can't be ignored and the presence of an offense and good coach is only going to help him. It all rests on Tua's shoulders now and that is the only part that worries me. Two WR's being drafted in the top 4 rounds of fantasy drafts, but the QB was taken in the 16th of my home league.

 

[tangfoot]

Tua hasn't shown he can support multiple WR1 type production

I can't argue with any of the other pieces of your analysis, but this statement feels forced. You've been a critic of Tua since he was drafted, and that's fine but in his time there the Dolphins haven't actually rostered two people capable of WR1 type production.

 

[elmanx]

Tua hasn't shown he can support multiple WR1 type production

I can't argue with any of the other pieces of your analysis, but this statement feels forced. You've been a critic of Tua since he was drafted, and that's fine but in his time there the Dolphins haven't actually rostered two people capable of WR1 type production.

Waddle and Parker? If Godgers was throwing to them, it could have happened. With Tua? No chance.

 

[need2know]

Tua is the man and you haters are about to realize.

No facts or stats just a feeling.

And I could be wrong. Or drunk. Or both.

 

[need2know]

I got waddle as my third wr. But I think he's gonna be a very nice wr2