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WR Josh Downs, IND (1 Viewer)
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Mr.Blonde
Footballguy
My team was playing against Downs last night, sweating out my matchup this week.
I was not really familiar with his game. He's really small, FWIW.
The Vikings hardly ever put a guy on him, they were giving him a 5-7 yard cushion which, for one of these water-bug PPR receivers, is a mile.
The Colts could have got 7-10 yards a play if they would have thrown to Downs every play.
I was not really familiar with his game. He's really small, FWIW.
The Vikings hardly ever put a guy on him, they were giving him a 5-7 yard cushion which, for one of these water-bug PPR receivers, is a mile.
The Colts could have got 7-10 yards a play if they would have thrown to Downs every play.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
These coaches don’t want the pint sized Wrs like downs or reed exerting effort on running plays. I don’t get it- why not more running out of 11 personnel or more play action, and get this guy on the field to Be a little more unpredictable? I know play action is effective in some capacity but the guy can minimally block while hes out there.
perhaps they just want the guys to be full speed for routes and out execute the defense even though it’s a bit more predictable. I don’t like that style.
Lastly it’s quite possible they don’t want these smaller guys going against 4-3 defenses where a linebacker might kill them at full speed in the slotz
perhaps they just want the guys to be full speed for routes and out execute the defense even though it’s a bit more predictable. I don’t like that style.
Lastly it’s quite possible they don’t want these smaller guys going against 4-3 defenses where a linebacker might kill them at full speed in the slotz
Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
Bizarre game plan by Steichen to go with 12 personnel much of the game. Flacco looked shaken that whole game. The fact that Downs ended that game 6/60 is a huge testament to him because it shouldn't have been that good. Downs catches anything that is remotely catchable. I say that because Flacco threw one really bad INT and a couple passes that skipped towards Downs' feet. Obviously you have to credit Brian Flores scheme but I also thought Flacco played really pedestrian for being this grizzled veteran that should have anticipated the defensive confusion and been prepared to get the ball out of his hands within 3 seconds. I'm not a Colts fan but that game was a total "WTF" by Steichen and Flacco. I was supportive of the AR15 benching but seeing that game had me wondering why they did that since that team isn't going anywhere. At this point, they need to get Richardson back in the lineup and let this year be a rebuilding one.
MrJimiT
Footballguy
I agree with this statement. Not that Flacco is a QB World Beater, but he just looked out of it OR disinterested OR detached. It also seemed like AR15 was stewing a bit on the sidelines. There was one particular pass thrown at Downs feet, he kinda threw up his arms in disgust towards Flacco, it appeared. Makes me wonder about internal locker room strife in Indy.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
I could definitely sense the tension observed between the two QBs.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
People forget that Downs had his best fantasy production with Richardson.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Which one? Fiction that Downs had his best fantasy production with AR, or Flacco? I looked at the numbers and the former seems right. Did I miss something? If I did, please explain.
well, I have not seen a noticeable difference Stats wise but I also wasnt looking for one. he seems to perform reasonably well with both but I think his floor is a little higher with Flacco and his ceiling a little higher with AR.
the only dud week he had was in week 7. all the rest hes been consistently getting 60-80 yards and 4-8 catches. he also had a high end outlier where he caught only 4 passes but also got 109 yards and a TD that week.
the range of points in PPR 12-22 with the exception of the week 7 dud where he got 1.3 points. mostly consistent. floor of about 12 fantasy points which is high end WR2 but he is performing at a WR1 level roughly half the time. Not bad for a guy you could have gotten late in most drafts and on waivers in a lot of them early in the season.
I will point out the one dud he had in week 7 AR was the QB. I'm not sure what that was. bad game? or the defense decided they'd make an effort specifically to neutralize him. sadly I didnt watch the game so I cant comment on why that happened exactly but Richardson only threw for 129 yards total that game, so I suspect and after one more bad week AR got shown the bench.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I will say that this week may not be that great for Downs. Even though the Jets defense took a step back, they are still very good against slot WRs.
Then please explain what on gods green earth you are looking at because the bolded could not be more false.
He had one good game with Richardson which occurred on one play with a broken coverage after the guy guarding him got picked. As Faust posted a few spots up, Harmon is trying to say that's his best fantasy game of his career and that's only true in non-PPR leagues but the bigger point was it was one game, even if we ignore it was on a broken coverage. His production with Richardson has otherwise been horrendous.
Downs games with Richardson:
2024:
Week 3: 3/22/0
Week 4: 1 for 8 yards on about one drive with Richardson.
Week 7: 1/3/0
Week 8: 4/109/1 also known as the one good game.
2023:
Game 1: 3/30/0
Game 2: 2/17 with Richardson who left early, 2/20 with Minshew the rest of the game.
Game 4: 2/34
Game 5: 3/57 with Richardson before he went down
That one play in week 8 has accounted for 35% of the fantasy production he's had with Richardson and again it was a broken coverage where his guy got picked. Even including that I have no idea how you can say you looked at the numbers and can say what you are saying.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He had his best fantasy game with Richardson. That’s all I’m saying.
This is the only reason I’m holding. But not starting this week.
I think Downs is now the WR1 for Indy. Pittman was drafted average ADP 21 half PPR knowing AR was starting at the beginning. So it’s worth the wait and see.
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yeah I dont care for the matchup either. in one league I have better options. in another I dont. but thats the way it goes sometimes.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Ugghhh
As my mechanic once said to me..."That's quite a differential you have there..."
-jb-
Footballguy
did he comment on your undercarriage?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
What do you call an Amish man with his arm up a horse’s behind?
He did.
Stuck?
-jb-
Footballguy
i would've gone with Obediah or Mordecai
JohnnyU
Footballguy
A mechanic, as highlighted from the post I responded to.
Truebluey
Footballguy
5/84/1 today with AR
I hope it's sustainable. I think he's valuable to ARich because he's actually open when ARich throws it.
The question is, will the throw get there? Today was good. (Mostly)
-jb-
Footballguy
will practice today.
Colts injury update: Josh Downs, rookie LB, both centers could be back vs Denver
Colts are getting healthy after the late bye, although the Colts likely won't have right tackle Braden Smith.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
According to James Boyd of The Athletic, Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Josh Downs (shoulder) is listed as questionable for Sunday's game against the Denver Broncos. Downs was unable to suit up in Week 13 with this same injury but had a bye week during Week 14, which gave him additional time to recover. In addition, Downs was able to log two full practices on Thursday and Friday, which is also a positive sign for his availability. Across ten games this season, the sophomore wideout has averaged a solid 13.8 PPR points per game and tallied 59.4 yards per game. Fantasy managers should continue to monitor his status over the weekend, but Downs should be in a good position to return to action. However, he has a tough task ahead of him, facing a Denver secondary that has allowed the 11th-fewest PPR points to opposing wideouts this season.--Andy Smith - RotoBaller
11th fewest? I actually thought they were better than that. either way I think its not the best matchup and coming off an injury I dont know how good a play he is. I'm sure he will make a couple catches, but the question is will he make enough catches to return to the level he was at pre- injury
Faust
MVP
David J. Gautieri
Josh Downs is the same age as Ladd McConkey (23), averaged more targets per-game (7.6-7.0), the same number of receptions per-game (5.1), posted a higher PFF Receiving Grade (85.1-81.2), & had a nearly identical YPRR (2.20-2.38).
Ladd McConkey is valued as a Top-14 WR in Dynasty (Top-40 overall).
Josh Downs isn’t even valued as a Top-30 WR (or Top-80 overall).
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efactor
Footballguy
McConkey has Herbert as a QB and Downs has Richardson. McConkey did this in his rookie season as well. Unless Downs gets traded, that's about rightDavid J. Gautieri
Josh Downs is the same age as Ladd McConkey (23), averaged more targets per-game (7.6-7.0), the same number of receptions per-game (5.1), posted a higher PFF Receiving Grade (85.1-81.2), & had a nearly identical YPRR (2.20-2.38).
Ladd McConkey is valued as a Top-14 WR in Dynasty (Top-40 overall).
Josh Downs isn’t even valued as a Top-30 WR (or Top-80 overall).
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ffmail4me
Footballguy
That's all that needs to be said. Just a HUGE difference at QB.McConkey has Herbert as a QB and Downs has Richardson. McConkey did this in his rookie season as well. Unless Downs gets traded, that's about rightDavid J. Gautieri
Josh Downs is the same age as Ladd McConkey (23), averaged more targets per-game (7.6-7.0), the same number of receptions per-game (5.1), posted a higher PFF Receiving Grade (85.1-81.2), & had a nearly identical YPRR (2.20-2.38).
Ladd McConkey is valued as a Top-14 WR in Dynasty (Top-40 overall).
Josh Downs isn’t even valued as a Top-30 WR (or Top-80 overall).
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Faust
MVP
Matt Harmon
NEW Josh Downs #ReceptionPerception profile is now up on the site
Some highlights:
- 76.7% success rate vs. man coverage (90th percentile)
- 86% success rate vs. zone (92nd percentile)
- 77.1% success rate vs. press (82nd percentile)
Josh Downs, without question, should be considered one of the best young WRs in the NFL. Check out the full profile here: receptionperception.com/josh-downs-202…
Faust
MVP
@YahooFantasy
Josh Downs could be a sneaky candidate to break out in 2025(via Yahoo Fantasy Forecast)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Always been a fan, maybe he will fair better with Jones running the offense (also needs to stay healthy). Still a buy in dynasty imo.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
So. This was eye opening and I don't know what to make of it. I assume that role change is coming.
For the last two season, WR snap share from 2WR sets:
Alec Pierce 85%
Michael Pittman 83%
Josh Downs 6%
and they're saying that when Pittman or Pierce were injured, Adonai Mitchell is the one that got the outside snaps.
For the last two season, WR snap share from 2WR sets:
Alec Pierce 85%
Michael Pittman 83%
Josh Downs 6%
and they're saying that when Pittman or Pierce were injured, Adonai Mitchell is the one that got the outside snaps.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Interesting… I would think it has to do with his size/blocking ability then, certainly is not because of his ability to get open.
Oddly enough I came upon that exact tweet yesterday, and I say odd because I don't follow that person, was looking up info on someone and saw that tweet.
I don't anticipate this changing. Same staff as his first two seasons, they view him as mainly a slot(#3 in slot snaps in the league as a rookie, #8 last year while missing 3 weeks), and the team won't stop talking up Pierce and AD Mitchell.
It's not so bad though, he still finished as WR64 in routes run best of all was WR2 overall in targets per route. For a WR going in the mid 40's this is all fine to me.
Considering he's a pretty small guy and has dealt with injuries and nicks this first two seasons they might be making the best usage with him.
