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WR Josh Gordon, KC (2 Viewers)

VikingFrog said:
I’m thinking of dealing him as well.  Use the hype.
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IMO his value only drops from here.

roght now visions of sugar plum fairies & 20-TD Randy’s Moss-like seasons are dancing though people's minds.

you could likely get a Davon Cook or other underperforming feature back in return for him.

after 1 game in NE, the best you could hope for is a solid day - in which case his value remains unchanged.

but if he’s 1/4 with 0 TD & 33 yards, his value can only drop. 

Deal now while the enthusiasm is high, and before Josh is. 

 
Well this sucks.  Definately downgrades his fantasy upside.  If he does indeed have WR1 talent, he'll only produce low end WR2 numbers in NE.  Cooks was WR15 last year with NE, played 16 games, and had his crap together.  NE will never lock onto him and Brady is smart enough to use him as a decoy and tear up defenses underneath.  This reeks of one of those situations where he produces just enough to be tempted to use him and then he bombs out in the playoffs.  The good thing is that he's currently injured and it will take him weeks to halfway learn the NE playbook so you can safely roll out the superior producers on your roster without being tempted to bench them.

On the plus side, it could be worse and he could have been stuck with Mayfield under throwing him.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
IMO his value only drops from here.

roght now visions of sugar plum fairies & 20-TD Randy’s Moss-like seasons are dancing though people's minds.

you could likely get a Davon Cook or other underperforming feature back in return for him.

after 1 game in NE, the best you could hope for is a solid day - in which case his value remains unchanged.

but if he’s 1/4 with 0 TD & 33 yards, his value can only drop. 

Deal now while the enthusiasm is high, and before Josh is. 
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I can see one or two good games that could really spike his value.  Obviously if you can get Cook for Gordon you pull the trigger, but I don't see that happening.  There aren't enough @Soulfly3's out there in the fantasy world who would bite on this trade.  I think you have to wait for 6-8 weeks to maximize his value.

 
BassNBrew said:
I can see one or two good games that could really spike his value.  Obviously if you can get Cook for Gordon you pull the trigger, but I don't see that happening.  There aren't enough @Soulfly3's out there in the fantasy world who would bite on this trade.  I think you have to wait for 6-8 weeks to maximize his value.
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No way: it only goes down as reality sets in. 

The Pats spread the ball around & they run a somewhat complex offense. 

Gordon (or any WR) has a learning curve.

i put the odds on an explosive output during the first 1-2 games at 0.001%

So right now is peak value. 21, 2, maybe 3 games from now his value bottoms out.

then you’re stuck praying for that spike game when most prospective trade partners will be skeptical of  repetition.

sell now, thank me later. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Guys, for all that's good and holy...

He couldn't learn to behave the Browns way. How can he possibly learn The Patriot Way?
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I think the hope is that the new organization and new structures and requirements will ensure his behavior stays appropriate vs. the laissez-faire attitude that the Browns seemed to take. 

 
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Gopher State said:
Since joining the NFL he’s played a total of 41 games out of a possible 98 games,  LOL at him playing 10 games this year.
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Curious... assuming he's clean, and he's been clean since prior to 2017 or else he wouldn't have been reinstated, what do you think would prevent that from happening?  No one has said this had anything to do with a relapse - not the Browns and not a single reporter anywhere.

The Patriots organization is a lot different than the Browns organization was from 2013 to 2016 when he had those issues. 

I have to chuckle at all of the know-it-alls who really believe they know how this is going to turn out.  No one does.  It won't surprise me if he flames out, but it also won't surprise me if the structure in New England keeps him on the right path and he realizes at least a chunk of his potential.  But I guess that's what this message board is for.

Chris Carter had issues every bit as serious as Josh Gordon's.  Not believing he'll turn things around is one thing, but to think he CAN'T be relevant is foolish.

 
Hairy Snowman said:
I agree.  I suspect he wont play for a few games.  Even then I suspect he wont get more than 4 targets a game once in the games, for a while.  And then whether he ever gets more will be on whether he demonstrates that he deserves more in practice and games.  And then the 1 strike sword of Damocles will always hang over him.   
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He'll probably sit until he's active for the last 9 games.

 
Steelers4Life said:
Curious... assuming he's clean, and he's been clean since prior to 2017 or else he wouldn't have been reinstated, what do you think would prevent that from happening?  No one has said this had anything to do with a relapse - not the Browns and not a single reporter anywhere.

The Patriots organization is a lot different than the Browns organization was from 2013 to 2016 when he had those issues. 

I have to chuckle at all of the know-it-alls who really believe they know how this is going to turn out.  No one does.  It won't surprise me if he flames out, but it also won't surprise me if the structure in New England keeps him on the right path and he realizes at least a chunk of his potential.  But I guess that's what this message board is for.

Chris Carter had issues every bit as serious as Josh Gordon's.  Not believing he'll turn things around is one thing, but to think he CAN'T be relevant is foolish.
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We are magic football owners.  It's our job to figure this stuff out.

 
He's going from worst to best in terms of NFL organizations.  

The Patriots will put up with zero bull####.  They should inform him immediately of what happened when a certain HoF player was late for a meeting with a reasonably good excuse a few years ago....

 
I love this for Gordon. And not surprised at all Belichick would do this. He's got a long history of taking in troubled cast offs for a try. Some work out. Many don't. I don't get the impression it'll be any great loss for Belichick if it doesn't. For Gordon's sake, I love the opportunity. 

Here's the QBs Gordon has played with in the NFL:

Tyrod Taylor, Drew Stanton: Brandon Weeden, Colt McCoy, Jason Campbell, Thad Lewis, Brian Hoyer, Johnny Manziel, Connor Shaw, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, DeShone Kizer, Robert Griffin III and Kevin Hogan.

Now Tom Brady. 

I like it. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
I love this for Gordon. And not surprised at all Belichick would do this. He's got a long history of taking in troubled cast offs for a try. Some work out. Many don't. I don't get the impression it'll be any great loss for Belichick if it doesn't. For Gordon's sake, I love the opportunity. 

Here's the QBs Gordon has played with in the NFL:

Tyrod Taylor, Drew Stanton: Brandon Weeden, Colt McCoy, Jason Campbell, Thad Lewis, Brian Hoyer, Johnny Manziel, Connor Shaw, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, DeShone Kizer, Robert Griffin III and Kevin Hogan.

Now Tom Brady. 

I like it. 
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You had him at WR28 coming into the season.  How much are you bumping him up?

 
IMO My projections right now have JG at 40-50 Rec 650-750 yards 8 TDs.  Assuming he plays 10-12 games. 

He is a big EZ target that (after playing Jax) it appears the Pats could really use.  That is why the high TD number.  I also think his game to game ceiling could be really high.  

 
Couple of things:

1) One of the best insights of this seasons Hard Knocks was when Hue got news that Gordon was back in town and ready to continue his career.  He was giddy...Haley simply barked ‘is he in shape’.  Tony Grossi pointed this out, but Haley never bought in to Gordon as someone he could rely on/trust.

2) Haley is a guy that has to worry about job security.  Hoodie/Brady don’t.  Haley’s success in some ways was contingent on Gordon.  Belichick is kicking tires.  However, Belichick talks about the sacrifice he expects his team and players to make, they have to be all-in.  Gordon isn’t that.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
A 5th, (which will presumably be closer to a 6th), and “if he stays on the roster for 10 games” a conditional later round pick. 

:unsure:

So....to point out the glaring obvious, why wouldn’t the Pats simply start Gordon for 4-5-6 games, then cut him when Edelman is back?   :shrug:

I’m not seeing how this is a smart deal for the Browns. The Pats get to “rent to own”, like a friggin home appliance. 

If Gordon f’s up, or relapses, or just isn’t as good as the Pats want,they rented a player for a 5th rounder. 

This is the craziest story line over the last several seasons and it just keeps getting weirder.

:popcorn:  
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They were prepared to cut him outright.  Getting anything is a win for the Browns based on what they were thinking Saturday night.  

 
Joe Bryant said:
I love this for Gordon. And not surprised at all Belichick would do this. He's got a long history of taking in troubled cast offs for a try. Some work out. Many don't. I don't get the impression it'll be any great loss for Belichick if it doesn't. For Gordon's sake, I love the opportunity. 

Here's the QBs Gordon has played with in the NFL:

Tyrod Taylor, Drew Stanton: Brandon Weeden, Colt McCoy, Jason Campbell, Thad Lewis, Brian Hoyer, Johnny Manziel, Connor Shaw, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, DeShone Kizer, Robert Griffin III and Kevin Hogan.

Now Tom Brady. 

I like it. 
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It's a solid point and there is some validity there. As an owner that is exposed to Gordon in a couple of leagues--I'm actually hoping that you are right.  With that said--I don't think that the upgrade in quarterback guarantees that his ceiling gets higher.   In Cleveland--he was the primary weapon.  If there were big plays to be had--there were all his.   Now he's sharing the rock with Gronk (most likely the greatest TE in history), Edelman (who will probably be back by the time Gordon gets on the field or near it), Hogan (who himself is a solid wr), James White (a solid RB that can receive well too), Burkhead (similar to white), and Sony Michel (a rookie RB that also has dynamic skills).   I think that if anything--Gordon most likely plays a much smaller role on a more effective offense.  I don't know if that's really an upgrade fantasy-wise.   Honestly--I would have liked his ceiling far more in Cleveland if he would have just learned not to make bonehead decisions.  With that said--you are the expert and I hope that your optimistic view is the right one.  

 
TheDirtyWord said:
Couple of things:

1) One of the best insights of this seasons Hard Knocks was when Hue got news that Gordon was back in town and ready to continue his career.  He was giddy...Haley simply barked ‘is he in shape’.  Tony Grossi pointed this out, but Haley never bought in to Gordon as someone he could rely on/trust.

2) Haley is a guy that has to worry about job security.  Hoodie/Brady don’t.  Haley’s success in some ways was contingent on Gordon.  Belichick is kicking tires.  However, Belichick talks about the sacrifice he expects his team and players to make, they have to be all-in.  Gordon isn’t that.
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We will find out, won't we? The Patriots paid little to see the cards as to whether that's true or not. Great relatively low risk, high reward play that has made this franchise a dynasty. I'm an Eagles fan, and I objectively applaud this move, wish they had landed Gordon.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
It's a solid point and there is some validity there. As an owner that is exposed to Gordon in a couple of leagues--I'm actually hoping that you are right.  With that said--I don't think that the upgrade in quarterback guarantees that his ceiling gets higher.   In Cleveland--he was the primary weapon.  If there were big plays to be had--there were all his.   Now he's sharing the rock with Gronk (most likely the greatest TE in history), Edelman (who will probably be back by the time Gordon gets on the field or near it), Hogan (who himself is a solid wr), James White (a solid RB that can receive well too), Burkhead (similar to white), and Sony Michel (a rookie RB that also has dynamic skills).   I think that if anything--Gordon most likely plays a much smaller role on a more effective offense.  I don't know if that's really an upgrade fantasy-wise.   Honestly--I would have liked his ceiling far more in Cleveland if he would have just learned not to make bonehead decisions.  With that said--you are the expert and I hope that your optimistic view is the right one.  
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I think we're all on the same level trying to figure this one out Buddy. I hope I'm right too but I'm far from confident in anything with regard to this situation. We'll see. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Why’d the Browns have to announce that though? So dumb. 
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Them announcing it was actually one of the smarter things the Browns have done. Had they called each team individually- I think that would raise skepticism to each potential trade partner. Them announcing a release created a frenzy amongst other teams to make a deal before Gordon became available to make his own mind up to where he went. I think that frenzy maximized what they could get for him. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Them announcing it was actually one of the smarter things the Browns have done. Had they called each team individually- I think that would raise skepticism to each potential trade partner. Them announcing a release created a frenzy amongst other teams to make a deal before Gordon became available to make his own mind up to where he went. I think that frenzy maximized what they could get for him. 
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Except they also said they thought he’d relapsed, described him as a problem child & undisciplined & then said they’d release him.

so they tanked his value to stimulate the trade market?

i can’t see how the way they handled this possibly aided their cause. 

C’mon son. 

 
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mquinnjr said:
We will find out, won't we? The Patriots paid little to see the cards as to whether that's true or not. Great relatively low risk, high reward play that has made this franchise a dynasty. I'm an Eagles fan, and I objectively applaud this move, wish they had landed Gordon.
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If Gordon needs to ‘take a break’...focus on his recovery...what do you think Belichick does?

 
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