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WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)

Unfortunately I have exposure of Josh Gordon in half of my redraft leagues this season (2 of 4).   I have to say that I personally don't like the move for Gordon and his ceiling.   On Cleveland he basically was the biggest play threat on a team that had the potential from playing from behind a lot.  I felt like he could really put up some astronomical numbers.  I was actually really looking forward to seeing how we would have performed against the Saints this past weekend. 

On the Patriots--we are talking about a team that will most likely be playing from ahead a ton. We are also talking about a team that has several mouths to feed.  There is Gronk (perhaps the greatest TE in history), Edelman coming back (a target monster and an overall clutch player), Hogan (another very capable and talented WR), three multi-faceted  RB's in White, Burkhead, and Sony.   Yes--Brady is a huge upgrade for him--but I also feel like the strength of the Pats in all of the other positions is a downgrade--as is the potential for the game scripts rest of season.   I personally feel like Gordon's ceiling and floor has dropped with this move.  He's a much smaller fish on a more effective offense.  

With all of that said-I do have to say that my point of view might be contrary to much of the fantasy community.  In one of my leagues--I've already gotten a few offers for Gordon that are pretty solid.  It's a weird situation to digest.   If he has an amazing first game with the Pats--his short term value rises meteorically.   If he puts up a dud--his "hype" probably fades pretty quickly.   I knew that when I drafted him that I was basically signing up for a lottery ticket--but I never expected it to be this extreme of a lotto ticket.  

 
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jvdesigns2002 said:
Unfortunately I have exposure of Josh Gordon in half of my redraft leagues this season (2 of 4).   I have to say that I personally don't like the move for Gordon and his ceiling.   On Cleveland he basically was the biggest play threat on a team that had the potential from playing from behind a lot.  I felt like he could really put up some astronomical numbers.  I was actually really looking forward to seeing how we would have performed against the Saints this past weekend. 

On the Patriots--we are talking about a team that will most likely be playing from ahead a ton. We are also talking about a team that has several mouths to feed.  There is Gronk (perhaps the greatest TE in history), Edelman coming back (a target monster and an overall clutch player), Hogan (another very capable and talented WR), three multi-faceted  RB's in White, Burkhead, and Sony.   Yes--Brady is a huge upgrade for him--but I also feel like the strength of the Pats in all of the other positions is a downgrade--as is the potential for the game scripts rest of season.   I personally feel like Gordon's ceiling and floor has dropped with this move.  He's a much smaller fish on a more effective offense.  

With all of that said-I do have to say that my point of view might be contrary to much of the fantasy community.  In one of my leagues--I've already gotten a few offers for Gordon that are pretty solid.  It's a weird situation to digest.   If he has an amazing first game with the Pats--his short term value rises meteorically.   If he puts up a dud--his "hype" probably fades pretty quickly.   I knew that when I drafted him that I was basically signing up for a lottery ticket--but I never expected it to be this extreme of a lotto ticket.  
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I disagree that the Pats will be playing from ahead alot. Against Buffalo? Sure. That defense is pretty jacked up.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Unfortunately I have exposure of Josh Gordon in half of my redraft leagues this season (2 of 4).   I have to say that I personally don't like the move for Gordon and his ceiling.   On Cleveland he basically was the biggest play threat on a team that had the potential from playing from behind a lot.  I felt like he could really put up some astronomical numbers.  I was actually really looking forward to seeing how we would have performed against the Saints this past weekend. 

On the Patriots--we are talking about a team that will most likely be playing from ahead a ton. We are also talking about a team that has several mouths to feed.  There is Gronk (perhaps the greatest TE in history), Edelman coming back (a target monster and an overall clutch player), Hogan (another very capable and talented WR), three multi-faceted  RB's in White, Burkhead, and Sony.   Yes--Brady is a huge upgrade for him--but I also feel like the strength of the Pats in all of the other positions is a downgrade--as is the potential for the game scripts rest of season.   I personally feel like Gordon's ceiling and floor has dropped with this move.  He's a much smaller fish on a more effective offense.  

With all of that said-I do have to say that my point of view might be contrary to much of the fantasy community.  In one of my leagues--I've already gotten a few offers for Gordon that are pretty solid.  It's a weird situation to digest.   If he has an amazing first game with the Pats--his short term value rises meteorically.   If he puts up a dud--his "hype" probably fades pretty quickly.   I knew that when I drafted him that I was basically signing up for a lottery ticket--but I never expected it to be this extreme of a lotto ticket.  
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:goodposting:

I'm right there with you.  I don't get why the fantasy community is so hyped about this move other than anytime there's news about Gordon the hype is through the roof.  The lemmings will be led over the cliff once again.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Was NE playing from behind a lot w Moss on the team?
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Brady was younger, aside from Welker--there was little talent on the WR corps, no Gronk, and no real talent in the running game when Moss was on the Pats.   The situations are not even close to being parallel.   Look at what Brandin Cooks did on the Pats recently--and he's a far more focused/disciplined player that is closer to his prime than Gordon is.  I'm not saying that I think Gordon will be a bust by any means--but as a Gordon owner--I'm not nearly as optimistic as much of the fantasy community is about this move.   I'll probably stick with the lottery ticket that is his situation--but my confidence level is questionable at best.  

 
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Soulfly3 said:
Was NE playing from behind a lot w Moss on the team?
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Running Backs

44 Heath Evans FB

33 Kevin Faulk

39 Laurence Maroney

34 Sammy Morris

Wide Receivers

10 Jabar Gaffney

81 Randy Moss

18 Donté Stallworth

15 Kelley Washington

83 Wes Welker PR

Tight Ends

88 Kyle Brady

86 David Thomas

84 Benjamin Watson
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Totally different situation.  Many more targets to the TE and RB position. 

 
Wes Welker was a target hog, no?

Decent RBs. Ben Watson. 

I dont think the situation is the issue, at all. Staying on the team might be

 
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BassNBrew said:
:goodposting:

I'm right there with you.  I don't get why the fantasy community is so hyped about this move other than anytime there's news about Gordon the hype is through the roof.  The lemmings will be led over the cliff once again.
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Because some people are willing to accept that they don't know everything but still see a golden opportunity waiting there for Gordon if his last 2 years of sobriety carry forward with New England.  His biggest supporters know he might flame out.  But his detractors really believe they know what's going to happen, and that's ridiculous.  You don't, I don't... no one does.

Sure the Pats have other options.  RBs who can catch, a few other serviceable WRs.  Edelman is a nice possession guy and a product of their system and Gronk is a monster.  But from a sheer talent standpoint, Gordon is head and shoulders better than any of the other WRs on their roster.  No one else is close.  He has the talent to be the #1 WR and #1a or #1b option in the passing game, and there's plenty to go around for him to make a huge impact.  Give him 4 to 6 catches, 60 to 90 yards per week, and he'll be a huge TD threat every week.  That's a very likely outcome IF and ONLY IF he stays clean and earns that kind of role.  His talent says he can.  Will his attitude?  Who knows. 

I have him as my #6 WR in a dynasty league, that's it.  I have JuJu, Robinson, Williams, Agholor, and Callaway ahead of him and a few other promising prospects, so I don't really need the guy to be anything.  But I'd have to be a fool not to acknowledge there's a chance for big production here.  

 
BassNBrew said:
:goodposting:

I'm right there with you.  I don't get why the fantasy community is so hyped about this move other than anytime there's news about Gordon the hype is through the roof.  The lemmings will be led over the cliff once again.
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Correct me if I am wrong but aren't you currently a lemming? Or did you dish Gordon after the news broke?  If so what did you get in return?

 
FWIW a respected, long time poster here who wishes to remain anonymous just PM'd me that he (Or is it she? Just kidding, it's definitely he.) traded Gordon for Alex Collins in his 12 team league, 0.5ppr league.

 
Steelers4Life said:
Because some people are willing to accept that they don't know everything but still see a golden opportunity waiting there for Gordon if his last 2 years of sobriety carry forward with New England.  His biggest supporters know he might flame out.  But his detractors really believe they know what's going to happen, and that's ridiculous.  You don't, I don't... no one does.

Sure the Pats have other options.  RBs who can catch, a few other serviceable WRs.  Edelman is a nice possession guy and a product of their system and Gronk is a monster.  But from a sheer talent standpoint, Gordon is head and shoulders better than any of the other WRs on their roster.  No one else is close.  He has the talent to be the #1 WR and #1a or #1b option in the passing game, and there's plenty to go around for him to make a huge impact.  Give him 4 to 6 catches, 60 to 90 yards per week, and he'll be a huge TD threat every week.  That's a very likely outcome IF and ONLY IF he stays clean and earns that kind of role.  His talent says he can.  Will his attitude?  Who knows. 

I have him as my #6 WR in a dynasty league, that's it.  I have JuJu, Robinson, Williams, Agholor, and Callaway ahead of him and a few other promising prospects, so I don't really need the guy to be anything.  But I'd have to be a fool not to acknowledge there's a chance for big production here.  
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This guy agrees with you.

4-6 catches and 60-90 yards isn't what most of us are here for and that's not the definition of golden opportunity.  I agree with you that's the likely outcome if he see's the field.  I was expecting better numbers in Cleveland, so I would consider this move a downgrade.

 
Chaka said:
Correct me if I am wrong but aren't you currently a lemming? Or did you dish Gordon after the news broke?  If so what did you get in return?
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Nope.

A lemming is benching guys like Agoholor and Thompson for him on a weekly basis and expecting a positive outcome.

I'm just a moron who drafted him at 5.1 (traded Sanders to acquire that pick) and have him cemented on my bench (and own him in the subscriber contest collecting donuts).

I'm going to hold for now because if history is any indication, the hype flames will continued be fanned and he'll be worth a lot more.  Look for reports soon about how he's tearing it up in practice and Brady saying he's more gifted than Moss.  

 
BassNBrew said:
Nope.

A lemming is benching guys like Agoholor and Thompson for him on a weekly basis and expecting a positive outcome.

I'm just a moron who drafted him at 5.1 (traded Sanders to acquire that pick) and have him cemented on my bench (and own him in the subscriber contest collecting donuts).

I'm going to hold for now because if history is any indication, the hype flames will continued be fanned and he'll be worth a lot more.  Look for reports soon about how he's tearing it up in practice and Brady saying he's more gifted than Moss.  
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You can't quit Josh, no one can. He's like quicksand, the harder you struggle the deeper you sink.  You're starting him every single week and you know it so just relax and enjoy the ride.

 
BassNBrew said:
This guy agrees with you.

4-6 catches and 60-90 yards isn't what most of us are here for and that's not the definition of golden opportunity.  I agree with you that's the likely outcome if he see's the field.  I was expecting better numbers in Cleveland, so I would consider this move a downgrade.
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No one should expect it to be 2013 all over again no matter who's throwing the ball.  Is it possible?  Sure, but unlikely.  He wasn't going to be that in Cleveland either.

But, if he's on the high end of the 4-6, 60-90 range, that's 96 catches for 1,440 yards and plenty of TDs.  Thats one helluva WR.  If he's Brady's #1 WR is that so unrealistic?  Is him averaging 15 per catch unrealistic?  Of course not.  

If hes "only" a 60-1,000-8 type, that's still useful too and a far cry from the people who want to be sure he'll amount to nothing.

Thr only way he's nothing is if he does drugs again.  The past 2 years have been a positive sign for that, but nobody knows for sure 

 
Chaka said:
You can't quit Josh, no one can. He's like quicksand, the harder you struggle the deeper you sink.  You're starting him every single week and you know it so just relax and enjoy the ride.
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:wall:

Actually I've beat the addiction.  I keep some wine in the fridge for cooking but don't drink it.  I keep Gordon on my bench and don't start him.

 
Steelers4Life said:
No one should expect it to be 2013 all over again no matter who's throwing the ball.  Is it possible?  Sure, but unlikely.  He wasn't going to be that in Cleveland either.

But, if he's on the high end of the 4-6, 60-90 range, that's 96 catches for 1,440 yards and plenty of TDs.  Thats one helluva WR.  If he's Brady's #1 WR is that so unrealistic?  Is him averaging 15 per catch unrealistic?  Of course not.  

If hes "only" a 60-1,000-8 type, that's still useful too and a far cry from the people who want to be sure he'll amount to nothing.

Thr only way he's nothing is if he does drugs again.  The past 2 years have been a positive sign for that, but nobody knows for sure 
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I suspect a majority of the posters here feel like he's a WR1,

 
BassNBrew said:
I suspect a majority of the posters here feel like he's a WR1,
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At this point, with the NE situation, I'm inclined to agree with you and jvdesigns about his potential in this offense if he keeps his head straight. I see a limited route tree at first like Anarchy99 does and difficulty with him and the playbook and that offense. 

I don't think he's a WR1 at this point but he certainly has the potential to be if a team utilizes him correctly.  

 
BassNBrew said:
I suspect a majority of the posters here feel like he's a WR1,
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If he's starting in 2 WR sets and playing 75% of the snaps, he will be.  If they give him a limited role long term, he won't.  The thing is, we dont know yet.  No one does... So you can't say yet what he will or won't be unless you believe he'll fail a drug test for the first time in 2 years.  People just want to post stuff so they can bump it and beat their chest if things happen to break that way.

In Cleveland, he was set to be double teamed constantly.  Not in New England when the safety has to pay special attention to Gronk.  You give me Gordon 1 on 1 with virtually any CB in the league, ill take Gordon.  Are they going to double Gordon and leave Gronk 1 on 1 with a safety or linebacker?  His opportunity is huge if he can learn enough and earn that role opposite Edelman.  All that's in his way is Hogan and Dorsett, and they're nothing compared to him.

 
BassNBrew said:
:wall:

Actually I've beat the addiction.  I keep some wine in the fridge for cooking but don't drink it.  I keep Gordon on my bench and don't start him.
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I beat it by trading for Antonio Brown. Now I start AB, Julio, and Cooks at WR with Kamara as a flex (Gurley at RB).   :bowtie:

 
Gordon has some tall hurdles; He has to stay out of the coaching staff's dog house; keep clean; and learn the offense.  More than one WR has been unable to learn their system so is he a savant like Moss or more like Ocho Cinco?

 
TheDirtyWord said:
...and 3 targets.
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That was more a product of QB play, not his lack of ability.  His only catch was a TD in the front corner of the endzone against tight coverage where he showed both awesome hands, strength, and balance.  He'd have made a lot of plays that day if he was given more chances - and better chances - than what Tyrod gave him.

I knew that was a damn TD the second it left Tyrod's hand and I knew where the pass was going.  

 
Steelers4Life said:
That was more a product of QB play, not his lack of ability.  His only catch was a TD in the front corner of the endzone against tight coverage where he showed both awesome hands, strength, and balance.  He'd have made a lot of plays that day if he was given more chances - and better chances - than what Tyrod gave him.

I knew that was a damn TD the second it left Tyrod's hand and I knew where the pass was going.  
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For a guy who essentially walked back into the NFL after being away for 2 seasons without the benefit of any football or team related activity and generated a 26% target share in the final 5 games...the idea that he got three targets out of 40 while playing 70 snaps...which sample was with Hue calling the offensive shots and which one was with ‘is he in shape?’ Haley?

 
Not in football shape Gordon made a sweet grab for the game tying td late in the 4th and got 2 steps behind a Db for what should have been the game winning td a couple minutes later. Nothing new here but Hue is a moron.

 
Chaka said:
So the 1-32-1 coach decided to put a guy who wasn't ready into the lineup for 80% of the team snaps to prove a point?

Hue definitely proved a point just not the one he thinks he was proving.
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Not the 1-31 HC...the 0-0 OC who has not been quiet in challenging the 1-31 HC’s methods during his short time there.

 
So on his way out the door Gordon not only proved the coaching staff there is inept he was also instrumental in the teams first non-loss in over two years. 

He is lucky. On to better things. 

 
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