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WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)

Just wondering about the JG late reports. Don't remember the whole story, but a couple of years ago there was an out of no where RB that ran for a bazillion yards and TDs on Sunday. Then overslept and missed a meeting the following week and was pretty much never heard from again. If Gordon did show up late more than once, why would he still be on the the roster? Can't believe NE would cut him any more slack than the other guy. Unless BB is going all mellow in his old age. 

 
:lmao:

Shoulda benched Brady and Gronk and Edelman too.  This didn't look like a great game for Gordon but I didn't think it would be that bad for all Patriots.
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It was a football question. Did either sign w NE to replace the oft tardy Joshua Caleb Gordon?

 
I'll take that as a no, that they did not sign either WR to replace him. 

Interesting...

So who will they replace him with?

 
I'll take that as a no, that they did not sign either WR to replace him. 

Interesting...

So who will they replace him with?
Agreed. I think the lack of NE activity can be seen as a positive towards how they feel about Gordon. Of course, it could be more a statement on how they valued the available guys out there. The reverse would have been super telling. If NE had dealt for a WR today, Gordon guys would for sure be :unsure:  

 
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Agreed. I think the lack of NE activity can be seen as a positive towards how they feel about Gordon. Of course, it could be more a statement on how they valued the available guys out there. The reverse would have been super telling. If NE had dealt for a WR today, Gordon guys would for sure be :unsure:  
Exactly. They see him (Gordon) as a major piece of the puzzle. People can argue against all they want, but they may be the same people that choose to watch stats accumulate versus game action.

I would say the same for Sony Michel... last night's game showed that they need him in the line-up and are confident that he'll be back for next week (same lack of interest in bringing in another RB).

 
Just wondering about the JG late reports. Don't remember the whole story, but a couple of years ago there was an out of no where RB that ran for a bazillion yards and TDs on Sunday. Then overslept and missed a meeting the following week and was pretty much never heard from again. If Gordon did show up late more than once, why would he still be on the the roster? Can't believe NE would cut him any more slack than the other guy. Unless BB is going all mellow in his old age. 
I believe that was Jonas Grey? Gray? Something like that, but yeah I remember. 200 yards and like 4-5 TDs lol.

Thing is with Josh Gordon, Pats are pretty thin at the skill positions believe it or not. Hogan is just not that good anymore on the outside, Gronk seemed to be ailing last night (especially when blocking), you have to hope Michel stays healthy as they had to use Cordarrelle freaking Patterson at RB yesterday. So Brady's reliable targets are White and Edelman in the slot.

Unfortunately, I still can't start Gordon in my fantasy line-ups which sucks. 

 
Just wondering about the JG late reports. Don't remember the whole story, but a couple of years ago there was an out of no where RB that ran for a bazillion yards and TDs on Sunday. Then overslept and missed a meeting the following week and was pretty much never heard from again. If Gordon did show up late more than once, why would he still be on the the roster? Can't believe NE would cut him any more slack than the other guy. Unless BB is going all mellow in his old age. 
also on this, there are a couple possibilities here. I know everyone craps on Rapoport, but either his source was straight up wrong, or after it was reported BB said screw the media (which he despises) and started him the whole game. Wouldn't be surprised if BB wants to find the leak too.

 
After the game Patriots head coach Bill Belichick dismissed the report, and he disputed it again Tuesday during his weekly interview with WEEI’s “Ordway, Merloni and Fauria.” “I don’t know,” Belichick said, as transcribed by WEEI.com. “You’d have to talk to Ian Rapoport on that. I’m not really sure where that’s coming from.” Belichick then expounded, claiming misinformation getting spread is fairly common practice. “(It) happens every day with the media,” Belichick said. “There are things out there every day that I don’t know what the basis is, what it is about. I have a fairly decent familiarity with the team. I see things about our team that I have no idea. I don’t know. You’d have to talk to the people that wrote them. “… Look, we talk about a lot of things and I would doubt that there is a player on our team that hasn’t been involved in some type of situation like this where something was said that they had to respond to, or maybe didn’t respond to, that was let’s call it, not necessarily accurate.”

- NESN


.... This clear enough for everyone? :lol:

 
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After the game Patriots head coach Bill Belichick dismissed the report, and he disputed it again Tuesday during his weekly interview with WEEI’s “Ordway, Merloni and Fauria.” “I don’t know,” Belichick said, as transcribed by WEEI.com. “You’d have to talk to Ian Rapoport on that. I’m not really sure where that’s coming from.” Belichick then expounded, claiming misinformation getting spread is fairly common practice. “(It) happens every day with the media,” Belichick said. “There are things out there every day that I don’t know what the basis is, what it is about. I have a fairly decent familiarity with the team. I see things about our team that I have no idea. I don’t know. You’d have to talk to the people that wrote them. “… Look, we talk about a lot of things and I would doubt that there is a player on our team that hasn’t been involved in some type of situation like this where something was said that they had to respond to, or maybe didn’t respond to, that was let’s call it, not necessarily accurate.”

- NESN


.... This clear enough for everyone? :lol:
When is he going to put up WR2 numbers in ppr?

 
so lemme get this straight. the ppl who were wrong in believing that fraudulent report, and disparaged JG because of it, now gotta resort to "when's he putting up wr2 numbers"?

i expected much better. 

 
so lemme get this straight. the ppl who were wrong in believing that fraudulent report, and disparaged JG because of it, now gotta resort to "when's he putting up wr2 numbers"?

i expected much better. 
At the point I don't care about the report. I want to be able to start him in my fantasy line-up, lol.

 
so lemme get this straight. the ppl who were wrong in believing that fraudulent report, and disparaged JG because of it, now gotta resort to "when's he putting up wr2 numbers"?

i expected much better. 
This is a FF message board.  Of course everyone gets caught up in the Gordon sideshow, but in the end all that matter is what numbers he puts up.

I like him a lot as a WR3 with upside as long as he's on the field.

 
After the game Patriots head coach Bill Belichick dismissed the report, and he disputed it again Tuesday during his weekly interview with WEEI’s “Ordway, Merloni and Fauria.” “I don’t know,” Belichick said, as transcribed by WEEI.com. “You’d have to talk to Ian Rapoport on that. I’m not really sure where that’s coming from.” Belichick then expounded, claiming misinformation getting spread is fairly common practice. “(It) happens every day with the media,” Belichick said. “There are things out there every day that I don’t know what the basis is, what it is about. I have a fairly decent familiarity with the team. I see things about our team that I have no idea. I don’t know. You’d have to talk to the people that wrote them. “… Look, we talk about a lot of things and I would doubt that there is a player on our team that hasn’t been involved in some type of situation like this where something was said that they had to respond to, or maybe didn’t respond to, that was let’s call it, not necessarily accurate.”

- NESN


.... This clear enough for everyone? :lol:
Still not a denial that Gordon was late. All B.B. is saying is that Rapoport was misinformed about Gordon being disciplined. Maybe Gotdon was late, maybe he wasn’t. It really doesn’t make much difference at this point.

Given that this is a fantasy football site, collectively we should only care about his performance on the field and his fantasy numbers. So far, those haven’t come close to the hype and inflated projections being thrown out in this thread. 

Other than James White, none of the NE receiving options are doing all that well consistently. I posted the numbers for Gordon. He’s essentially been a WR 4-5 with a couple weeks that were ok fantasy wise. 

I know, I know. He’s going to get 60 receptions for 1,000 yards and 12 TD over the final 8 games and win a Super Bowl this year. Because that is the clear and logical outcome that is obvious and in clear sight.

 
so lemme get this straight. the ppl who were wrong in believing that fraudulent report, and disparaged JG because of it, now gotta resort to "when's he putting up wr2 numbers"?

i expected much better. 
I don't believe I posted anything about the report. 

I started him, I've been starting him , he hasn't don't ####. 

So, when's he going to start scoring as a wr2?

 
Thanks, that's what I here for.

Now if I would only listen to myself and leave this bust on the bench.  You would think after losing Guice and D, Freeman that Gordon would at least be a viable flex option over the four ww acquisitions I have rostered.  What do they say about do the same thing over and over and expecting different results?  :bag:

But this will be the week he breaks out....

 
In one of my leagues we get 0.3 PPOY (points per open yard). It’s a little unwieldy because our commish has to manually calculate, for each pass play in every game, how many yards of open space on the field were created by all the receivers who didn’t catch the ball. In that league, Gordon is a top 5 WR. 

 
In one of my leagues we get 0.3 PPOY (points per open yard). It’s a little unwieldy because our commish has to manually calculate, for each pass play in every game, how many yards of open space on the field were created by all the receivers who didn’t catch the ball. In that league, Gordon is a top 5 WR. 
Stud. 

 
GB trading HHCD has me puzzled, but at any rate I like Gordon as a start this week. He’s not like old Gordon so just don’t have those expectations but Brady will need to find a way to push the ball upfield this week. Buf was a vanilla nothing gameplan and their D is really good. 

 
Not that anyone asked for it, but here are the receiving totals from NE's last 4 games:

White 33-266-3
Edelman 25-251-2
Gordon 15-234-1
Hogan 15-224-0
Gronk 12-215-0
Dorsett 4-33-0
Patterson 3-24-1
Develin 3-10-0
Michel 1-13-0

White and Edelman have been putting up decent numbers. Everyone else has been mostly a disappointment receiving wise. It appears that Gordon / Hogan / Gronk are taking value away from each other while White and Edelman are in a tier by themselves.

 
Still not a denial that Gordon was late. All B.B. is saying is that Rapoport was misinformed about Gordon being disciplined. Maybe Gotdon was late, maybe he wasn’t. It really doesn’t make much difference at this point.

Given that this is a fantasy football site, collectively we should only care about his performance on the field and his fantasy numbers. So far, those haven’t come close to the hype and inflated projections being thrown out in this thread. 

Other than James White, none of the NE receiving options are doing all that well consistently. I posted the numbers for Gordon. He’s essentially been a WR 4-5 with a couple weeks that were ok fantasy wise. 

I know, I know. He’s going to get 60 receptions for 1,000 yards and 12 TD over the final 8 games and win a Super Bowl this year. Because that is the clear and logical outcome that is obvious and in clear sight.
Did people really expect him to join the Patriots midseason and instantly become a force? I saw more people predicting complete and utter failure.

In the 3 games he's played meaningful snaps, he's caught 13 balls (23 targets) for 180 yards. He got tackled at the one once, got a long PI call on another, so the TD opportunities have been there too.  That's a 70 catch (112 target), 960 yard pace while still learning the offense and developing chemistry with Brady, and I've gotta believe that some TDs will come as long as he's on the field 90% of the time. His YPC should go up too, because that's way below where it should be.

I believe you had initially said that he'd be fighting for scraps with Dorsett, Hogan, and others. He's not going to replace White as the dump-off guy and he's not going to replace Edelman's routes, but he easily can be on the same level target-wise as Gronk.  He's become a starting WR who's almost always on the field, and it's just going to come down to better timing and consistency with Brady. Maybe that never comes, and while he doesn't have the studly potential that comes with being force-fed targets, there's still loads of reason to believe he'll be very relevant down the stretch.

Or do you believe his role in the offense has already peaked this year no matter how much more he develops in the Patriots' system?

 
Not that anyone asked for it, but here are the receiving totals from NE's last 4 games:

White 33-266-3
Edelman 25-251-2
Gordon 15-234-1
Hogan 15-224-0
Gronk 12-215-0
Dorsett 4-33-0
Patterson 3-24-1
Develin 3-10-0
Michel 1-13-0

White and Edelman have been putting up decent numbers. Everyone else has been mostly a disappointment receiving wise. It appears that Gordon / Hogan / Gronk are taking value away from each other while White and Edelman are in a tier by themselves.
Gordon only played 18% of the snaps 4 weeks ago. His role didn't increase until week 6.

Edit to add that it's also pretty impressive that Gordon is THAT close to Edelman in production during that time when he had only been with the team for a few weeks before it.

People talk about Gordon like he's been in the system for years and just isn't producing.  It's been about a month total in what's rumored to be a very complicated, timing and decision based offense. 

 
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Thanks, that's what I here for.

Now if I would only listen to myself and leave this bust on the bench.  You would think after losing Guice and D, Freeman that Gordon would at least be a viable flex option over the four ww acquisitions I have rostered.  What do they say about do the same thing over and over and expecting different results?  :bag:

But this will be the week he breaks out....
You seriously have been starting him? Come on, man.

 
Gordon only played 18% of the snaps 4 weeks ago. His role didn't increase until week 6.

Edit to add that it's also pretty impressive that Gordon is THAT close to Edelman in production during that time when he had only been with the team for a few weeks before it.

People talk about Gordon like he's been in the system for years and just isn't producing.  It's been about a month total in what's rumored to be a very complicated, timing and decision based offense. 
I haven’t wavered and have consistently said Gordon would be an ok fantasy option that should do better later in the season with much better results next year. I believe I said he would be a WR3-4 with weeks with WR2 totals. 

I have been posting for those that have been predicting the 8-160-2 weeks every week with the next game being the breakout week. 

I never thought he would bomb, nor did I think he would do gangbusters. I do think if Gronk were healthy Gordon might not have seen as many passes.

Once Gordon came along, Dorsett has become little more than a footnote or after thought. So I wasn’t totally wrong that he would be taking on the targets past White and Edelman. 

 
GB trading HHCD has me puzzled, but at any rate I like Gordon as a start this week. He’s not like old Gordon so just don’t have those expectations but Brady will need to find a way to push the ball upfield this week. Buf was a vanilla nothing gameplan and their D is really good. 
Think Jaire Alexander may matchup with Gordon. That guy was ALL over the field against the LAR and held D. Adams in relative check.

Not a great matchup at all if this is the case.

That said, Gordon did "ok" against T. White. And, if S. Michel is still out, they're going to have to throw all day with A. Rodgers on the other side.

 
Gordon 15-234-1
Maybe worth pointing out that the TD and mayb 40-50 of those yards was on that one play where Brady had loads of time, threw it up between two defenders, and Gordon just sort of leaned into the ball.

I have a sorta related question: what is the opinion of informed Pats' watchers about Brady's deep ball? Last game it seemed like Gordon had some space deep but had to turn around for the ball and it was not a very good throw. I realize BB has a different idea in mind with how to use Gordon. However, also, I'm not sure Brady can really exploit Gordon's full bag of skills, seem fair?

 
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In one of my leagues we get 0.3 PPOY (points per open yard). It’s a little unwieldy because our commish has to manually calculate, for each pass play in every game, how many yards of open space on the field were created by all the receivers who didn’t catch the ball. In that league, Gordon is a top 5 WR. 
Dude! We’re not allowed to be human anymore!! No more jokes and no more funny business. Act like a robot, respond like a robot. Get that human element OUT OF HERE!!

 
Maybe worth pointing out that the TD and mayb 40-50 of those yards was on that one play where Brady had loads of time, threw it up between two defenders, and Gordon just sort of leaned into the ball.

I have a sorta related question: what is the opinion of informed Pats' watchers about Brady's deep ball? Last game it seemed like Gordon had some space deep but had to turn around for the ball and it was not a very good throw. I realize BB has a different idea in mind with how to use Gordon. However, also, I'm not sure Brady can really exploit Gordon's full bag of skills, seem fair?
At this point he can only get zip on his passes when he can fully wind up and step into the throw. The Pats line is still pretty good but not as dominant as they have been for much of his career. I don't think you'll see a lot of good deep balls.

 
Maybe worth pointing out that the TD and mayb 40-50 of those yards was on that one play where Brady had loads of time, threw it up between two defenders, and Gordon just sort of leaned into the ball.

I have a sorta related question: what is the opinion of informed Pats' watchers about Brady's deep ball? Last game it seemed like Gordon had some space deep but had to turn around for the ball and it was not a very good throw. I realize BB has a different idea in mind with how to use Gordon. However, also, I'm not sure Brady can really exploit Gordon's full bag of skills, seem fair?
Bears fan here and watched that whole game, Gordon made a great grab but he got those extra yards because of some terrible tackling (Eddie Jackson maybe?). 

Anyways, Brady doesn't have a great deep ball anymore. The plus side is they have a great offensive line in both pass pro and run blocking (even with the injuries), so Brady still has plenty of time to wing it downfield if he has some time.

 
I have a sorta related question: what is the opinion of informed Pats' watchers about Brady's deep ball? Last game it seemed like Gordon had some space deep but had to turn around for the ball and it was not a very good throw. I realize BB has a different idea in mind with how to use Gordon. However, also, I'm not sure Brady can really exploit Gordon's full bag of skills, seem fair?
That last game he was under-throwing everything deep. He has been for a while now - you never used to see receivers coming back to the ball like they’ve done this year. Edelman has seemed to do this at least a couple times a game. 

With that specific throw to Gordon in particular though there are a couple of other factors to consider:

• it appeared Gordon was being held - and Brady tends to throw the anticipatory throw. So if he looked and saw Gordon running at the pace he was, and threw it to the spot he figured he’d get to, it would explain the under-throw. When Gordon pushed away and accelerated, he ran past where he would have been had he not been slowed by the DB.

• Gordon & Brady haven’t really had that much time to work together - so it’s possible that Brady underestimated his speed. 

• I didn’t see if Brady was pressured on that pass. 

But again, while these are all plausible explanations, it’s also possible that Brady just doesn’t have quite the same zip on his passes. 

 
Think Jaire Alexander may matchup with Gordon. That guy was ALL over the field against the LAR and held D. Adams in relative check.

Not a great matchup at all if this is the case.

That said, Gordon did "ok" against T. White. And, if S. Michel is still out, they're going to have to throw all day with A. Rodgers on the other side.
If Alexander was holding Adams in check, somebody was doing defense vey, very wrong!  ?

But I didn’t post to just call out a presumed mistype, because I am actually interested in your assessment of Jaire.  Who was he covering?  Did you mean Cooks here?  Or was he moving around the formation?

 
If Alexander was holding Adams in check, somebody was doing defense vey, very wrong!  ?

But I didn’t post to just call out a presumed mistype, because I am actually interested in your assessment of Jaire.  Who was he covering?  Did you mean Cooks here?  Or was he moving around the formation?
Lol. Apologies.

Yes, Cooks. He made several plays on the ball in Cooks coverage. His play really jumped off the screen.

 
Maybe worth pointing out that the TD and mayb 40-50 of those yards was on that one play where Brady had loads of time, threw it up between two defenders, and Gordon just sort of leaned into the ball.

I have a sorta related question: what is the opinion of informed Pats' watchers about Brady's deep ball? Last game it seemed like Gordon had some space deep but had to turn around for the ball and it was not a very good throw. I realize BB has a different idea in mind with how to use Gordon. However, also, I'm not sure Brady can really exploit Gordon's full bag of skills, seem fair?
What difference does that make?  He made it happen, and those points count just as any others would.  It's kind of part of his game (well was 5 years ago) that he can be counted on to go out-beast guys for jump balls, so discounting it is silly.

 
What difference does that make?  He made it happen, and those points count just as any others would.  It's kind of part of his game (well was 5 years ago) that he can be counted on to go out-beast guys for jump balls, so discounting it is silly.
I didn't mean it in the usual way - as in 'oh he hasn't really done much'. I'm talking about the kind of routes he's running, where he's being targeted and how he's being used. It was also a question about Brady's arm strength.

 
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What difference does that make?  He made it happen, and those points count just as any others would.  It's kind of part of his game (well was 5 years ago) that he can be counted on to go out-beast guys for jump balls, so discounting it is silly.
In this case I think it makes a ton of difference.   His sample size is so small you have to take that in to consideration as we look at things today.

 
Has Brady ever hit Gordon in stride? What is up with his deep ball? 
Gusting winds was mentioned during the broadcast. May have played a role. JG had that awkward late adjustment like maybe the path of the ball changed or he simply lost it in the lights.

 
Pats without Gordon : 1-2

Pats with Gordon : 5-0 with an avg margin of victory of 15pts. 
They beat the bills, bears, chiefs, colts, and dolphins in their last 5 games.   They were favorites to win all 5 of those games and were heavy favorites to win 3 of those games.  He did next to nothing in the chiefs game.  The one game where he helped play a part in winning was maybe the bears game.  Had he not been present for any of those games--the team probalby still goes undefeated--or worst case scenario goes 4-1.  Let's not make insinuate any undeserved claims for him playing a major part in the Pats being successful in their last 5.   

 

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