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WR Josh Gordon, KC (5 Viewers)


 

 Why does that make you think automatically that Gordon is in trouble?  Ever think that they may want to bring in a mentor for Gordon with a similar body frame?  

What makes you think they aren't considering more 4 and 5 WR sets? (to help the O Line by getting the ball out faster)?

Randy Moss just called Gordon part of the family there and to expect some big plays out of him tonight.  

Sounds like they are cutting him tomorrow. ..
Well he is in trouble to some degree, no sense debating that, he's getting punished tonight is the proof.

But I don't know if you are addressing those questions to the general public but  directly to me but if it's to me it's oddly misdirected. I'm the guy saying that NE's interest in bringing in a WR is not related to Gordon's tardiness, not related to negative feelings about Gordon.

 
ya'll got played so hard, im crying. :lol:  

ps: gordon shouldve caught that. a tad underthrown but still

 
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I think he's a better receiver when the ball is delivered with zip. Brady seems to be more of a touch passer and doesn't rifle it in to his receivers.

 
His troubles will always be real, until the day he dies they will follow him. I really think everyone is very well aware of his troubles.

 
His troubles will always be real, until the day he dies they will follow him. I really think everyone is very well aware of his troubles.
True. But not as many seem to be aware that it's been about two years since the substance issues surfaced. They'll always be there, but it's been a while now.

 
True. But not as many seem to be aware that it's been about two years since the substance issues surfaced. They'll always be there, but it's been a while now.
The substance abuse issues in the NFL first happened in 2014 but, yes it has been something like two years since he failed a drug test.

Still, he has a mental disorder and poor decision making is happening right now (or five weeks ago if todays report is wrong).  Guy will always be at risk for relapse or just making poor decisions that negatively impact his life.

 
The substance abuse issues in the NFL first happened in 2014 but, yes it has been something like two years since he failed a drug test.

Still, he has a mental disorder and poor decision making is happening right now (or five weeks ago if todays report is wrong).  Guy will always be at risk for relapse or just making poor decisions that negatively impact his life.
Not sure what to believe about what happened at the end with the Browns. It's the Browns, after all. And given his status with the league, any issues would've resulted in some kind of league discipline. There were reports that the Browns felt like he seemed "off" but that was only reported by one reporter in Cleveland and I've heard most reporters there are just mouthpieces for the team and report what they're told to report. Was a poor decision to shoot a promotional video and run with a drone? Sure it was. But I don't consider that to be much of an issue even if it was the final straw for the Browns.

Today's report sure seems like nothing but an unsubstantiated rumor, because again, given his past and the Patriots' history with discipline, I don't imagine they'd let it slide if Gordon made poor decisions like that. I guess we'll never know though. 

There's always going to be a risk. But the biggest risk was and always will be with substance abuse, and that's becoming more and more of a distant memory. We'll see if he can stay clean.

 
? Soulfully came in a splurged all over this thread again and of course Gordon comes up small again.

I had 4 guys on my bench who outscored him and every other RB/WR I started outscored him.  Thank goodness for that late NE pick 6 that got me to 7-0 this week.

 
Josh Gordon caught 4-of-6 targets for 42 yards in the Patriots' Week 8 win over the Bills.

Supposedly expected to not start, see limited reps early in the game, and be disciplined for tardiness, Gordon did the exact opposite of all that, getting the start, playing 19-of-20 snaps on the first two series, and being involved throughout the night. His six targets were fourth on the team behind obvious main veins James White, Julian Edelman, and Rob Gronkowski, so it was a standard night at the office for Gordon. When asked about the report after the game, coach Bill Belichick insinuated it was made up, saying, "You have to talk to whoever wrote that. I have no idea." The Patriots didn't have to score offensive points to beat the Bills. Gordon will be an upside WR3 next week against the Packers.

Oct 30 - 12:17 AM

 
Have they even come close to losing with him on their roster?

Man is absolutely opening that field right up for NE on every snap he's out there.

 
Supposedly expected to not start, see limited reps early in the game, and be disciplined for tardiness, Gordon did the exact opposite of all that, getting the start, playing 19-of-20 snaps on the first two series, and being involved throughout the night. His six targets were fourth on the team behind obvious main veins James White, Julian Edelman, and Rob Gronkowski, so it was a standard night at the office for Gordon. When asked about the report after the game, coach Bill Belichick insinuated it was made up, saying, "You have to talk to whoever wrote that. I have no idea." 

:lol: :lol:  

 
sensational.
 
Have they even come close to losing with him on their roster?

Man is absolutely opening that field right up for NE on every snap he's out there.
Next year I’m going to join a league like yours that awards points for opening up the field. 

 
Next year I’m going to join a league like yours that awards points for opening up the field. 
what you should do, is join a league where your favourite players are part of your 7-1 team, despite starting your favourite player, every single week. 

much like NE, we just win with him out there.

 
Next year I’m going to join a league like yours that awards points for opening up the field. 
Funny stuff.  He is right, y'know.  But, I hear ya.  That helps no one.   

You all know I am a stout supporter of Josh Gordon.  I think that there may be some substance to the reports that there was a little aggravation at the tardiness to meetings.  Only a few minutes.  Nothing too serious. 

Unless it continues. 

Josh needs to be accountable to the rest of the team.  BB will tolerate some things, but not when it comes to work.  That stuff is contaaaaagious.

I hate to say it, but if Josh keeps showing up late IMO he will be gone.  He needs to start making sure he is there early (like he did the first 3 weeks).

Meanwhile, IMO he will maintain the same role in the offense unless there is anything else.     

 
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Didn't sit one play, and BB denies the report, but we still believe he was late and it's an issue...?

Interesting. 

Is this also part of the Pats' "player motivating process"?

 
Didn't sit one play, and BB denies the report, but we still believe he was late and it's an issue...?

Interesting. 

Is this also part of the Pats' "player motivating process"?
BB didn’t deny the report. He told the reporters to talk to the guy that reported it.

 
BB didn’t deny the report. He told the reporters to talk to the guy that reported it.
He literally said "I have no idea, you'll have to ask they guy that reported it"

Last I checked, "I have no idea" means he is not aware. As HC, he would have an idea if it were true. 

No?

 
He literally said "I have no idea, you'll have to ask they guy that reported it"

Last I checked, "I have no idea" means he is not aware. As HC, he would have an idea if it were true. 

No?
Guys that cover the Patriots lack basic journalism skills and don't ask the right things to hold BB accountable. Instead of asking about the report being floated out there, they should have asked Bill directly if Josh was late for meetings / practice / travel. He wouldn't have answered that either, but he would have had to squirm his way out of it. He likely would have said Josh has done a great job, he's learning the playbook, he's developing rapport with TB12, blah, blah, blah.

But instead, the press corps asked about the report that Gordon was going to be disciplined. The way they asked him, it was easy for him to avoid the question. The followup should have been that, "Just to confirm and clarify, you are saying that Josh Gordon has never been late or missed any parts of practice, meetings, tape review, or any other team requirement." And Bill would likely answer that he just said Josh has been doing a good job for them. Still wouldn't get Bill on the record for an answer, but it would be more apparent that he wouldn't share the information.

 
Update for Gordon through Week 8: (PPR leagues)

- Current ranking of WR66 based on total points scored
- Current ranking of WR60 based on ppg
- Over the last 4 weeks, ranked as WR49 based on ppg

Weekly rankings:

Week 1: WR50
Week 2: DNP
Week 3: DNP
Week 4: WR80
Week 5: WR29
Week 6: WR51
Week 7: WR24
Week 8: WR51

Given that he went off the board this year as the WR23, not sure how anyone can look at things SO FAR as a fantasy win. I do think he will start to do somewhat better, but not sure he turns things around and becomes a guy that will win leagues this season.

 
Update for Gordon through Week 8: (PPR leagues)

- Current ranking of WR66 based on total points scored
- Current ranking of WR60 based on ppg
- Over the last 4 weeks, ranked as WR49 based on ppg

Weekly rankings:

Week 1: WR50
Week 2: DNP
Week 3: DNP
Week 4: WR80
Week 5: WR29
Week 6: WR51
Week 7: WR24
Week 8: WR51

Given that he went off the board this year as the WR23, not sure how anyone can look at things SO FAR as a fantasy win. I do think he will start to do somewhat better, but not sure he turns things around and becomes a guy that will win leagues this season.
Come on dude.  Don't you get points for opening up the field in your league?

 
Guys that cover the Patriots lack basic journalism skills and don't ask the right things to hold BB accountable. Instead of asking about the report being floated out there, they should have asked Bill directly if Josh was late for meetings / practice / travel. He wouldn't have answered that either, but he would have had to squirm his way out of it. He likely would have said Josh has done a great job, he's learning the playbook, he's developing rapport with TB12, blah, blah, blah.

But instead, the press corps asked about the report that Gordon was going to be disciplined. The way they asked him, it was easy for him to avoid the question. The followup should have been that, "Just to confirm and clarify, you are saying that Josh Gordon has never been late or missed any parts of practice, meetings, tape review, or any other team requirement." And Bill would likely answer that he just said Josh has been doing a good job for them. Still wouldn't get Bill on the record for an answer, but it would be more apparent that he wouldn't share the information.
What the heck difference would that make?  He'd just clam up with "we don't discuss discipline" or "he wasn't disciplined" or some other BBism that leaves them with nothing.  Bottom line is that anyone trying to interpret anything BB says is simply furthering their narrative, whichever way that may lean. 

 
Guys that cover the Patriots lack basic journalism skills and don't ask the right things to hold BB accountable. Instead of asking about the report being floated out there, they should have asked Bill directly if Josh was late for meetings / practice / travel. He wouldn't have answered that either, but he would have had to squirm his way out of it. He likely would have said Josh has done a great job, he's learning the playbook, he's developing rapport with TB12, blah, blah, blah.

But instead, the press corps asked about the report that Gordon was going to be disciplined. The way they asked him, it was easy for him to avoid the question. The followup should have been that, "Just to confirm and clarify, you are saying that Josh Gordon has never been late or missed any parts of practice, meetings, tape review, or any other team requirement." And Bill would likely answer that he just said Josh has been doing a good job for them. Still wouldn't get Bill on the record for an answer, but it would be more apparent that he wouldn't share the information.
Agreed the question was asked in a very easy to avoid way.

Do you think it's lack of skills or just a soft press?

My impression has always been a soft press. And that Belichick is intimidating. No reporter wants to be the person made to feel dumb.

 
For those of you that didn't get the Soulflyesque humor of my last post, I feel sorry for you.  At least @Chaka wondered about it.

For those of you that are very serious about Bazinga posts

Last 3 weeks Bazinga predictions for JG

5/63, 5/70, 4/58

Actual

5/42, 4/100, 4/42

Total of predictions 14/191 Actual 13/184
I didn't see the post. But please use zero humor in these threads and keep it 100% on what you really think about Football. Nobody has time to try and "get" what's supposed to be funny or not. 

Sorry - we're boring here. 

And if you're being serious, great job on the predictions. That's impressive. 

 
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? Soulfully came in a splurged all over this thread again and of course Gordon comes up small again.

I had 4 guys on my bench who outscored him and every other RB/WR I started outscored him.  Thank goodness for that late NE pick 6 that got me to 7-0 this week.
:lmao:

Shoulda benched Brady and Gronk and Edelman too.  This didn't look like a great game for Gordon but I didn't think it would be that bad for all Patriots.

 
Agreed the question was asked in a very easy to avoid way.

Do you think it's lack of skills or just a soft press?

My impression has always been a soft press. And that Belichick is intimidating. No reporter wants to be the person made to feel dumb.
Probably some of a lot of things. No one wants to be the one that gets made an example of and get verbally undressed by BB. Since he is so intimidating at times, he usually gets softball questions by the regular beat reporters, who know he won't answer a direct question with much useful information. BB clearly has times where he takes things personally and essentially attacks a reporter . . . even guys he deals with all the time. A lot goes on that the general public is unaware of between the team and the press.

Since I have heard BB pressers and interviews pretty much since he came to NE, the way to get him to open up and answer questions real questions is to not ask him about player status, strategy, or upcoming opponents initially. He will answer questions about football history, changes in technology, how the game has changed over the past 50 years, how college systems are adapted to the NFL, etc. He will answer those in great detail. Once he answers some of those, he actually will on occasion answer questions he normally won't touch. It's rare, but it happens.

I heard the Gordon discipline stuff from last night being discussed this morning by local media. The consensus was that it was a shot across the bow of both Gordon and the reporting pool. There has been a lot building up between BB, the team, and the media over the pass year plus, and this is likely an extension of that.

Conjecture and opinion held that Gordon probably did do something that BB wasn't a fan of, and the potential punishment got leaked to the media as a scare tactic to Josh without actually having to do anything to discipline him. And the other benefit (as far as the team goes) was that the reporter that broke the story got egg on his face.

 
:lmao:

Shoulda benched Brady and Gronk and Edelman too.  This didn't look like a great game for Gordon but I didn't think it would be that bad for all Patriots.
Edelman had 20 points.  The last time JG accumulated 20 points it was with the DMV.

Gordon was fifth on the team in receiving yards last night.  So Bazinga gets the stats right and I get the yardage ranking right.  Even Soulfully has given up on the guy being fantasy relevant and moved the goal posts to the Pats winning.

 
Edelman had 20 points.  The last time JG accumulated 20 points it was with the DMV.

Gordon was fifth on the team in receiving yards last night.  So Bazinga gets the stats right and I get the yardage ranking right.  Even Soulfully has given up on the guy being fantasy relevant and moved the goal posts to the Pats winning.
When he inevitably has a good game, will you come back here or go mia?

 

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