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WR Josh Gordon, KC (7 Viewers)
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Chaka
Footballguy
It's not "railing against the tide" it's restating an obvious point over and over.
Gordon's relapse risk is already factored into his selling/buying price by every owner and interested party.
Saying (shouting) "Sell now?" isn't very good advice because Gordon's value is still limited. Better to keep holding the risk and hope he can string together a strong second half of 2018, even better if he has a couple monsters along the way, and then decide if the reward is worth the risk.
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
White is a tough matchup no doubt but he's not Revis in his prime. I'm going with "So what?"
The Patriots are going to put up 38 points (or more) and Gordon will be instrumental in that. Maybe only in real football and Gordon gets shut out in magic football but he's going to get opportunities and with that many points in play he's a good start (not a must start) regardless of who is lining up against him.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
This thread sucks
Chaka
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
Drafted him in my rookie draft. I want to say 3rd round, but may have been 2nd. We only started allowing suspended players on the IR slot 2 yrs ago, so he's been burning a roster spot for a long time.
Chaka
Footballguy
So his total cost to you was a 2012 rookie 3rd and a wasted roster spot?
Doesn't seem like much risk to hold in 2018 relative to what you might get for him in a trade.
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
The two leagues I own him I picked him up as a free agent last year
if he turns into something awesome, if not all it cost me was a roster spot
Chaka
Footballguy
What do you think Gordon's value is in trade and what is the downside of holding onto him considering his pre-draft 2018 low cost of acquisition?
Chaka
Footballguy
The reason I ask @Bazinga! is that you seem to be holding a position of getting value for Gordon while you can when the reality is that the cost of acquisition for most people was ridiculously low. So now, when he seems to be in an ideal situation and his performance is trending upwards why would you sell low on such a low cost, high upside investment?
And it would be selling low because, right now, everyone would factor in his relapse risk into their offer to acquire him. So why not wait it out for 2018, when all indicators are positive, and see what happens before making a hasty move? It's a very low risk proposition.
And it would be selling low because, right now, everyone would factor in his relapse risk into their offer to acquire him. So why not wait it out for 2018, when all indicators are positive, and see what happens before making a hasty move? It's a very low risk proposition.
rockaction
Footballguy
Tell me about Spain, friend. I'm going with family in a year and want to hear about it.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Yeah sure maybe. Or I could tell you a story about how that roster spot could have been used to grab Russell Wilson off the wire but I kept Gordon instead.
Chaka
Footballguy
Of course it matters and I agree about liquidation price, I have said as much several times.
His risk, which seems to be a big sticking point with with you, is factored into his acquisition/liquidation cost. You're not going to get much in return. At this point it's probably smarter to hold him because his value is still low due to his risk. Why give him away when he is finally starting to produce? You've held the risk this long, it would be foolish to sell low.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
A little mention. Tra'Davious has had a very good year so far. He held Deandre Hopkins to five catches for 63 yards and Stefon Diggs to four catches for 17 yards.
No disrespect to Knuk or Diggs, but neither of them have Gordon's frame.
Tra'Davious is 5'11" and 174 lbs. Knuk is 6'1", 215 lbs. Diggs 6'0", 191 lbs.
Gordon is 6'3", 225 lbs.
Gordon has a 4" height advantage, outweighs him by at least 50 lbs, and is just as fast as either player (no one has Knuks "quicks").
That is my breakdown. White will have his hands full. There is no way Brady can't go over the top of White if Gordon gets White on his hip IMO (big IF). Gordon has a chance to break White's tackles given the size difference. If he does....
Well done. Good analysis.
Have me re-thinking A. Jeffery (with Ramsey on him) over Gordon here.
rockaction
Footballguy
He's not heavy, he's my brother.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
The full story (unless McDermott is foolish) is that Gordon is going to demand extra attention. You may see coverage shade to Gordon. The result would be a more open Gronk. I also think BB could then work in Edelman underneath on the other side of the field. Gordon demands the coverage that makes it all go.
It is either that or they leave him alone on Gordon. I don't see that happening.
ETA Either way I see Gordon getting some catches. I just don't think that his YAC is going to be up to his average. But he has surprised me before.
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Gopher State
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Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I think it will be a down game for Gordon. Maybe 5 rec 80 yds. He is being targeted 9 times a game. He is going to catch more than 2 balls with a 4" advantage.
Chaka
Footballguy
Revis was 5'11" and about 198 lbs and he regularly #### down bigger, stronger receivers. Quick glance at PFR shows in 2009 he held Randy Moss (who had 1200+ yards and 13 TDs that year) to 9 catches for 54 yards and a 4 yard TD in two games.
White is no Revis but the size difference does not necessarily translate to being overmatched.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
That is 20 more lbs of muscle on a 5'11" frame. Completely different ball player. Revis was a freak athlete. Like Gordon.
Chaka
Footballguy
I already acknowledged White was not Revis in a previous post. He doesn't have to be to cause problems for Gordon, he just needs to be good enough to make Brady choose a better read. In this case Brady can be a bit of a liability because he simply won't lock into one receiver and put up multiple 50:50 balls like a Mayfield may.
Being said I view Gordon as a good start as a WR2/flex RoS unless you have very strong alternatives. Being on New England means there will be 2-20 weeks, but they put too many points on the board and run too many plays to bench Edelman, Gronk or Gordon. You gotta ride the waves IMO and not try to predict the big swells.
rockaction
Footballguy
Of course there's variance. It's JG10, for God's sake. It'll run you zero to twenty-five for all that's kidding. We bid on the latter, of course.
YMMV.
jerry jones
Footballguy
I’m wondering if the Pats will view Gordon as a “new employee” and when the game is a blow out, they will keep forcing it to him so Brady & Gordon can work on their timing. Treat the second half like a practice more or less
Chaka
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Interesting.
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Patriots are looking to package high draft picks for a “premium” wide receiver at trade deadline, per @JayGlazer
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Glazer is about the only reporter if he says it then I'm buying.
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Patriots are looking to package high draft picks for a “premium” wide receiver at trade deadline, per @JayGlazer
9:38 AM - 28 Oct 2018
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Glazer is about the only reporter if he says it then I'm buying.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Anything that happens with Josh Gordon fits into the context of possibility unless you think taking training camp and preseason off to deal with stress is normal or doing a midnight self promotional photo-shoot and coming in 'appearing' out of sorts to his team is normal when he said he pulled his hammy during the photo-shoot. Or... heck this entire thread shows this moron makes no sense in anything he does.
The fact Belichick takes no premadonna guff or slackers and that he's shopping for a legit premium WR makes a ton of sense on every single level. Glazer doesn't make things up.
The fact Belichick takes no premadonna guff or slackers and that he's shopping for a legit premium WR makes a ton of sense on every single level. Glazer doesn't make things up.
Chaka
Footballguy
I have no problem calling out Gordon for his stupidity. Missing a meeting and a marketing shoot that probably led to his hamstring injury were horrible decisions and deserve ridicule.
But this specific allegation is horrible and one of the most completely uncorroborated and irresponsible hit pieces I've ever seen. It reeks of an attempt to curry favor with the team by a beat reporter (was it Josina Anderson?).
Gordon gets drug tested as often as the CBA allows (good, bad or otherwise). If he failed a test we would have heard something by now. This horrible, irresponsible, suck-up report disappeared like a fart in the wind.
Again, when he actually ####s up I'm happy to call him out on it, or not dispute the facts with those who do. But this report was horrible and the initial reporter deserves to have their credentials stripped.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Tom Brady raves about Josh Gordon. "The WR position in our offense takes years for most guys to understand & learn nuances & intricacies of not only our plays, but how to get open within the scheme, how to gain my trust, and he's done it in such a short period of time." #Patriots
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Always seems that way. I hope he comes through for us. One or two long scores would be great to start the playoff drive.
When are the Patriots NOT looking for another WR?Bracie Smathers said:
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
With a 'package of high draft picks' when they 'supposedly' already have a premium WR?
Enderdog
Footballguy
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Brady is the reason I am buying Gordon hype after being traded to Patriots. I haven't seen any drop-off in Brady's arm yet. Plus you have to love what Brady has taken notice of Gordon's abilities.
