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Yeah, that will happen when young people are given an opportunity at success and massive enrichment and then fail to take advantage of it through the course of their own bad actions. Manziel is much more open for debate, but seriously, what did you expect in reaction to these two?
I was saying that I was here even before my user name was created in 2009 and what I have noticed, over that time, has been the rise in denial when it comes to the information we recieve. Sorry for the confusion.This. I lurked for a while before creating an ID and posting here but this is something that is without a doubt on the rise IMHO.Look how long it took people to realize what was going on with Gordon. Tons of people are in denial.There seems to be a weird backlash against people who make statements like this in the fantasy football community, especially among the "experts". I've noticed in a lot of podcasts (the audible especially) and tweets from fantasy writers that you'll basically be considered an idiot if you think Manziel is anything but a typical college kid being a typical college kid. They seem to believe there is no way, no how that he might be in the process of flushing his opportunity down the drain. I'm not saying he is, but I don't think it's stupid to consider the possibility.
You have posted over 8100 times...what am I missing?
This is exactly what I was talking about in my previous post. The only thing we're trying to judge is how likely these players are to be affected by their character issues. It is still a fantasy football board. Just because we're speculating on their current and future fantasy value, doesn't mean we aren't rooting for them to turn their lives around. Can't we do both, or is that out of bounds?
A bit more compassion and perhaps some empathy. Maybe even some well wishes and hope that they will somehow get help for the issues they're currectly facing.
Are you telling me that you feel genuine compassion, empathy, for Josh Gordon? Do you honestly feel saddened by the news stories that break about him pulling another stunt? Also, do you honestly believe that well wishes are going to straighten him out? He is an adult making choices that adults make daily, his are only newsworthy because he is a football player. We are only discussing it because he can impact our fantasy decisions. I'm guessing there wouldn't be nearly this much conversation about a second string offensive tackle going through the same situations.
It's a bit selfish is all... fantasy commodities or not, they're still people. It's tragic, yet we seem to just look right past the tragedy. I know this is a fantasy football board and it's fine to ask "what does this mean for my fantasy team!?" The thread has gone beyond that 70 pages ago and there's really no reason why we should be this far into this thread circle jerking about how rotten Gordon is and how much he f**ked up and how it hurts our chances to win money in fantasy football. He may never play another down of football or maybe he makes a turn around but we should be looking at what can be done to help these kids vs what are they going to do for ME now is all I'm saying. Until we have something definitive to know what it means for our fantasy teams, it would probably be more productive discussing something else.
It's a bit selfish is all... fantasy commodities or not, they're still people. It's tragic, yet we seem to just look right past the tragedy. I know this is a fantasy football board and it's fine to ask "what does this mean for my fantasy team!?" The thread has gone beyond that 70 pages ago and there's really no reason why we should be this far into this thread circle jerking about how rotten Gordon is and how much he f**ked up and how it hurts our chances to win money in fantasy football. He may never play another down of football or maybe he makes a turn around but we should be looking at what can be done to help these kids vs what are they going to do for ME now is all I'm saying. Until we have something definitive to know what it means for our fantasy teams, it would probably be more productive discussing something else.
This isn't me trying to be holier than thou, I just can't understand how someone could look past the real issues here.
This is beyond fantasy football and you're lying to yourself if you think it isn't.
You are making this all a little weird and for your own sanity, please do not ever go on Twitter or scroll to see the comments of your local news station, or any station for that matter. In fact, you may want to remove yourself from the internet completely.
Manziel could be in for the same ride. But we're talking about Gordon here and I was talking about his friends and lifestyle. And if you have friends that are dragging you down and influencing you negatively and the choice is to continue on that path or make millions and possibly be one of the elite WR's ever? Yeah, that's what you tell them except for maybe the 'see you in 10 years part'
That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
I'm aware of the world I live in... it obviously deeply saddens me.It's a bit selfish is all... fantasy commodities or not, they're still people. It's tragic, yet we seem to just look right past the tragedy. I know this is a fantasy football board and it's fine to ask "what does this mean for my fantasy team!?" The thread has gone beyond that 70 pages ago and there's really no reason why we should be this far into this thread circle jerking about how rotten Gordon is and how much he f**ked up and how it hurts our chances to win money in fantasy football. He may never play another down of football or maybe he makes a turn around but we should be looking at what can be done to help these kids vs what are they going to do for ME now is all I'm saying. Until we have something definitive to know what it means for our fantasy teams, it would probably be more productive discussing something else.
This isn't me trying to be holier than thou, I just can't understand how someone could look past the real issues here.
This is beyond fantasy football and you're lying to yourself if you think it isn't.You are making this all a little weird and for your own sanity, please do not ever go on Twitter or scroll to see the comments of your local news station, or any station for that matter. In fact, you may want to remove yourself from the internet completely.
Ha ha....yeah, as if the government doesn't have it's own agenda.And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
I believe I did that early on when news of the DUI hit. Many others did also. Do you think that people here actually want to see him do this to himself when they could be watching a stud WR for the next decade - especially if that were to help CLE be more competitive? A few maybe, but I'd guess they are the exception. I'm seeing much more frustration and disappointment than I am ill wishes.
Yeah because getting it from a couple of stoners sitting around in their moms basement is much better. Go smoke a J kiddies. Come back when you are grown up men and not children.Ha ha....yeah, as if the government doesn't have it's own agenda.And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
Just as your previous "research" has shown you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's a shame you don't even know how ridiculous you're making yourself look........at the same time some of us are getting a good laugh.Yeah because getting it from a couple of stoners sitting around in their moms basement is much better. Go smoke a J kiddies. Come back when you are grown up men and not children.Ha ha....yeah, as if the government doesn't have it's own agenda.And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
Whatever son...Just as your previous "research" has shown you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's a shame you don't even know how ridiculous you're making yourself look........at the same time some of us are getting a good laugh.Yeah because getting it from a couple of stoners sitting around in their moms basement is much better. Go smoke a J kiddies. Come back when you are grown up men and not children.Ha ha....yeah, as if the government doesn't have it's own agenda.And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
I pointed to Reefer Madness on YouTube and seriously doubt he watched it before responding. It is the greatest example of Federal government propaganda on this topic and a position that has not changed by the gov since the film was made in the 30s. I do not expect to change his mind, but the relentless anti-weed stance needs to be dropped. If a person does not like the green, no worries, just please stop posting ignorance on the topic in multiple threads day after day.And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
Why can't you accept that marijuana is addictive? Cocaine isn't physically addictive (no withdrawal symptoms) yet there are a lot of people addicted to it. Do you not think cocaine is addictive either?That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
I'm 100% in favor of legalizing marijuana (and all drugs for that matter) but I don't get the attitude of you guys who can't accept reality.
I have my own opinion Junior...You are right...You won't change it...So give up.I pointed to Reefer Madness on YouTube and seriously doubt he watched it before responding. It is the greatest example of Federal government propaganda on this topic and a position that has not changed by the gov since the film was made in the 30s. I do not expect to change his mind, but the relentless anti-weed stance needs to be dropped. If a person does not like the green, no worries, just please stop posting ignorance on the topic in multiple threads day after day.And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
Two states down Ditka, many more to change their laws in the coming years. Your stance is dated and you are now in the minority.
Its addictive! By the way where do you get all of your wonderful information...please share.
Grass: a history of marijuana is also a good one that shows all the ridiculous propaganda that has been spread by the government since the '30s. Woody Harrellson narrates the documentary.I pointed to Reefer Madness on YouTube and seriously doubt he watched it before responding. It is the greatest example of Federal government propaganda on this topic and a position that has not changed by the gov since the film was made in the 30s. I do not expect to change his mind, but the relentless anti-weed stance needs to be dropped. If a person does not like the green, no worries, just please stop posting ignorance on the topic in multiple threads day after day.Two states down Ditka, many more to change their laws in the coming years. Your stance is dated and you are now in the minority.And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
What do you have...I posted my link that is based in science ,but because it is a government link and apparently your weed has you paranoid of the government you won't except it......So I ask again what have you got.
Well that was certainly a mature statement. I'll look forward to what I can aspire to. But seriously, if you have more credence in an agency with their own agenda then more power to you. Certainly a person with over 35 yrs of first-hand experience, a college education, and who is now 61 and able to look back objectively, hasn't learned a thing. But I'm sure you'll have another snide remark about stoners. And BTW, I've been out of mom's house for 41 yrs...probably longer than you've been alive 'kiddie'.Yeah because getting it from a couple of stoners sitting around in their moms basement is much better. Go smoke a J kiddies. Come back when you are grown up men and not children.Ha ha....yeah, as if the government doesn't have it's own agenda.And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
I just don't view the Josh Gordon story as a "tragedy". A tragedy is a catastrophic disaster that takes innocent lives, or even on a smaller scale, someone suffering from a terminal disease, or in an attempt to keep the conversation in the realm of Gordon, an innocent bystander, driver, or passenger who is killed by a drunk driver. Those are tragedies... those people have no choice in the matter. Josh Gordon could put an end to his "tragedy" quite easily... he just isn't strong enough to do so. That isn't tragic, it's pathetic. I'm quite sure Josh Gordon has plenty of moments of clarity where he recognizes that he is blowing it, he just isn't strong enough to do anything about it.It's a bit selfish is all... fantasy commodities or not, they're still people. It's tragic, yet we seem to just look right past the tragedy. I know this is a fantasy football board and it's fine to ask "what does this mean for my fantasy team!?" The thread has gone beyond that 70 pages ago and there's really no reason why we should be this far into this thread circle jerking about how rotten Gordon is and how much he f**ked up and how it hurts our chances to win money in fantasy football. He may never play another down of football or maybe he makes a turn around but we should be looking at what can be done to help these kids vs what are they going to do for ME now is all I'm saying. Until we have something definitive to know what it means for our fantasy teams, it would probably be more productive discussing something else.
This isn't me trying to be holier than thou, I just can't understand how someone could look past the real issues here.
This is beyond fantasy football and you're lying to yourself if you think it isn't.
Obviously you've never done cocaine either.Why can't you accept that marijuana is addictive? Cocaine isn't physically addictive (no withdrawal symptoms) yet there are a lot of people addicted to it. Do you not think cocaine is addictive either?That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
The reinstatement process would not even start until a year after his suspension. That can take 4-8 months so it's doubtful he's back in 2015.
I feel like the pendulum has just about swung completely in the other direction now, though. Reefer Madness and cheezy 80s TV commercials seem to have given way to this belief that anybody can parkake as much as they like and never have a problem, and probably cure all their medical problems to boot!I pointed to Reefer Madness on YouTube and seriously doubt he watched it before responding. It is the greatest example of Federal government propaganda on this topic and a position that has not changed by the gov since the film was made in the 30s. I do not expect to change his mind, but the relentless anti-weed stance needs to be dropped. If a person does not like the green, no worries, just please stop posting ignorance on the topic in multiple threads day after day.And he thinks he's doing scientific research.That's what gullible Americans do when they don't have first hand knowledge. They depend on the government for information.Did that link come from a .gov? You are linking to a .gov on this topic?
Two states down Ditka, many more to change their laws in the coming years. Your stance is dated and you are now in the minority.
Stoners are like soccer fans. If you even hint that the object of their affection isn't 100% perfect in every way...hooo boy are you gonna hear about it!
Steps to get back in 2015:
Were you the one who made the bet on week 1 of the 2015 season? I think that's a good place to put the over/under.
I was thinking whats the over under on if he gets arrested again before week 5 of the 2014 season.
A stoner is someone who sits around on their couch all day smoking blunts. The stoner epithet is used by the anti-weed crowd to degrade others.
Yes, I did week 1 with 1:1 odds. I'm thinking about offering 2:1 odds and moving it to 2015 at all.
I don't think that this is true. Just like the characterization of all stoners as living on a couch in their parents basement isn't true either. I know plenty of 30 and 40+ yr old people who consume marijuana in some way, shape, or form, and are perfectly functioning and successful people. I have enjoyed it myself off and on over the last 20 years, have always been employed, am plenty motivated, and while not I'm not among the 1% like most FBG's, I'm definitely not hurting financially. Over those 20 years, I have quit 4 different times, twice for employment opportunities, twice just because I decided I wanted a break. Never have I experienced any withdrawal symptoms, or had any difficulty quitting cold turkey. I understand that this is just anecdotal, but it does help me come down on the side of "not addictive". I will concede that I cannot speak for everyone, so perhaps some people do experience something different when quitting, but I've not met anyone like that in my travels.
My apologies for the insulting language. I'm not really anti-weed (or anti-soccer for that matter). I can't be anti-weed, I support legalization.
