WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)

[amnesiac]

my only question in regards to the Browns holding Gordon is this; does Gordon count on the 53 man roster or is there an exemption?

obviously they have the cap room, as i believe they don't have to pay him, but the salary counts against the cap.

 

[Adam Harstad]

i find the discussion on posting decorum to be slightly more interesting than arguing the semantics of addictive behavior/substances.

if there isn't some sort of accountability of the way people post/act, this forum will continue to suffer.

i've long found it odd that people can, let's put it nicely, needle other posters for quite some time and then just switch to another alias and continue on their way with no repercussions.

I'm in favor of accountability. I'm not in favor of ridicule.

I'm also not really in favor of beating dead horses. News of Gordon's DUI broke 14 pages ago. Soulfly's name has been mentioned 184 times in this thread since then. After 14 pages and 184 mentions in 4 days, is there anything productive to still be gained? We can pretend that we're piling on because of "accountability", but that's obviously a fiction. At this point, we're just piling on, and that doesn't serve anyone. After 14 pages and 184 mentions, I'm pretty sure everyone who is reading this thread gets that Soulfly was wrong. Is that not enough? What else does everyone want? Pictures of Soulfly with sad clown facepaint? Financial compensation? Actual, literal blood?

 

[False Start]

i find the discussion on posting decorum to be slightly more interesting than arguing the semantics of addictive behavior/substances.

if there isn't some sort of accountability of the way people post/act, this forum will continue to suffer.

i've long found it odd that people can, let's put it nicely, needle other posters for quite some time and then just switch to another alias and continue on their way with no repercussions.

I'm in favor of accountability. I'm not in favor of ridicule.

I'm also not really in favor of beating dead horses. News of Gordon's DUI broke 14 pages ago. Soulfly's name has been mentioned 184 times in this thread since then. After 14 pages and 184 mentions in 4 days, is there anything productive to still be gained? We can pretend that we're piling on because of "accountability", but that's obviously a fiction. At this point, we're just piling on, and that doesn't serve anyone. After 14 pages and 184 mentions, I'm pretty sure everyone who is reading this thread gets that Soulfly was wrong. Is that not enough? What else does everyone want? Pictures of Soulfly with sad clown facepaint? Financial compensation? Actual, literal blood?

Yes.

Oh and how do you hold a person accountable without ridicule on a site which only way to hold someone accountable is with words? How can you hold someone accountable without dismissing what they said? I also always wanted to ask, what you are in favor of, is that what we have to be in favor of too?


rid·i·cule
ˈridiˌkyo͞ol/
noun

1. 1.
   the subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive language or behavior.
   

 

[Joe Bryant]

Anyone else enjoying this thread now that Soulfly is not littering it with his ridiculous out of touch with reality bias posts, I would like to describe his posting with much harsher words, but I already got a warning point when I did that pages ago with his uneducated comments.

He was only provoking everyone with his comments because they were full of outlandish remarks while they would get others worked up that some (myself) got a warning point for putting him in his place and all he was doing was trying to provoke people to type things that would upset mods. He has now run scared from facing the music of a situation that his mouth put him in, I hope the mods allow others to show how wrong he was with leeway since he brought this on himself and since he was demanding apologies and starting other threads to show how right he was.

Soulflys reputation and ability to post has been destroyed and that is a great joy for me, but whats bring me great joy is how scared he is to even come back to this site as Soulfly (We know he has been here as another alias) and others have used the word that describes that type of person.

This is just as bad as anything he's done. The chest pounding of taking joy in "destroying a reputation" is exactly what we don't want here. Turn the tool factor WAY down if you want to continue posting here.

J

 

[amnesiac]

i find the discussion on posting decorum to be slightly more interesting than arguing the semantics of addictive behavior/substances.

if there isn't some sort of accountability of the way people post/act, this forum will continue to suffer.

i've long found it odd that people can, let's put it nicely, needle other posters for quite some time and then just switch to another alias and continue on their way with no repercussions.

I'm in favor of accountability. I'm not in favor of ridicule.

I'm also not really in favor of beating dead horses. News of Gordon's DUI broke 14 pages ago. Soulfly's name has been mentioned 184 times in this thread since then. After 14 pages and 184 mentions in 4 days, is there anything productive to still be gained? We can pretend that we're piling on because of "accountability", but that's obviously a fiction. At this point, we're just piling on, and that doesn't serve anyone. After 14 pages and 184 mentions, I'm pretty sure everyone who is reading this thread gets that Soulfly was wrong. Is that not enough? What else does everyone want? Pictures of Soulfly with sad clown facepaint? Financial compensation? Actual, literal blood?

that is a fair question. maybe a more productive discussion would revolve around how to make the trolls accountable while they are actually trolling and not after the fact.

 

[Joe Bryant]

i find the discussion on posting decorum to be slightly more interesting than arguing the semantics of addictive behavior/substances.

if there isn't some sort of accountability of the way people post/act, this forum will continue to suffer.

i've long found it odd that people can, let's put it nicely, needle other posters for quite some time and then just switch to another alias and continue on their way with no repercussions.

I'm in favor of accountability. I'm not in favor of ridicule.

I'm also not really in favor of beating dead horses. News of Gordon's DUI broke 14 pages ago. Soulfly's name has been mentioned 184 times in this thread since then. After 14 pages and 184 mentions in 4 days, is there anything productive to still be gained? We can pretend that we're piling on because of "accountability", but that's obviously a fiction. At this point, we're just piling on, and that doesn't serve anyone. After 14 pages and 184 mentions, I'm pretty sure everyone who is reading this thread gets that Soulfly was wrong. Is that not enough? What else does everyone want? Pictures of Soulfly with sad clown facepaint? Financial compensation? Actual, literal blood?

Yes.

Oh and how do you hold a person accountable without ridicule on a site which only way to hold someone accountable is with words? How can you hold someone accountable without dismissing what they said?


rid·i·cule
ˈridiˌkyo͞ol/
noun

1. 1.
   the subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive language or behavior.
   

I you can't hold someone accountable without ridicule then you seriously need to find a different board.

J

 

[massraider]

Anyone else enjoying this thread now that Soulfly is not littering it with his ridiculous out of touch with reality bias posts, I would like to describe his posting with much harsher words, but I already got a warning point when I did that pages ago with his uneducated comments.

He was only provoking everyone with his comments because they were full of outlandish remarks while they would get others worked up that some (myself) got a warning point for putting him in his place and all he was doing was trying to provoke people to type things that would upset mods. He has now run scared from facing the music of a situation that his mouth put him in, I hope the mods allow others to show how wrong he was with leeway since he brought this on himself and since he was demanding apologies and starting other threads to show how right he was.

Soulflys reputation and ability to post has been destroyed and that is a great joy for me, but whats bring me great joy is how scared he is to even come back to this site as Soulfly (We know he has been here as another alias) and others have used the word that describes that type of person.

I've been reading this thread and a few others with great interest. I don't think Soulfly was too far off base and I'm actually surprised he's taken a little vacation from this thread.The C Carter take kind of irked me in this way. I wonder if the eagles would have cut Carter if he had just had 1600+ yds in 14 games.

The truth is, he just wasn't that good at the time and it wasn't a hard decision to remove him from the roster.

This situation is not even close to his.

It cost the Browns nothing to keep him and see how it plays out.

They are building a running team to diminish the loss of Gordon.

Carter wasn't talking about Gordon from a football or business standpoint (as far as I could tell). He was saying the Browns should cut him, b/c it would be best for him. He said that his experience of getting cut was what opened his eyes and made him change his life.Obviously, from a football and business perspective, the Browns shouldn't cut him. He's not making a huge salary, and (IIRC) if he gets suspended for a season, the Browns retain his rights for an additional year. If he can straighten himself out, the Browns will have a super WR returning to them for little cost.

How will they know if he had straightened himself out? Because he didn't get arrested for a year?Should they then make plans for him to be their #1 WR? Can they trust him to be that? Ever?

People are talking about how the Browns are going to run the ball, to compensate. That kind of sucks, that they have to do that. What happens if he gets reinstated, next year? Can the Browns just count on him being there? No, they can't.

They won't, only time will tell. However, they don't have a lot invested in him. He's under contract for 2014 for under $900K, and for 2015 for under $1.1M. If he is suspended for a year, I believe that his contract rolls over.So, the Browns don't have anything to lose by keeping him. If he gets suspended, they have the extra roster spot to sign someone. It's not like they are going to get a #1WR for this season at this point.

Prior to next season, they shoudl try to fill the #1 WR spot (draft, FA, an in-house WR who steps up, etc), and if/when Gordon returns & has (hopefully) straightened his life out, they have a cheap stud WR to add to their WR corps.

This comes to my point. They don't have a lot of 'money' invested. That's not the same as some cheap scrub not paying off.

They were counting on him. He has, probably, decimated their passing game for one season.

He's not a bonus player, that if he hits, Great!

He's a core player, whom along with Cameron, a team would build around. They made moves during free agency assuming he was the guy. Even if he is inexpensive, they were counting on him. And they will have to make a big money decision on him soon enough.

 

[Adam Harstad]

that is a fair question.

maybe a more productive discussion would revolve around how to make the trolls accountable while they are actually trolling and not after the fact.

I'm sure if you could answer that, the internet would elect you its king and make a repository of joyous .gifs in your honor.

 

[Chaka]

I remember the good ol' days when this thread was actually about Josh Gordon.

Hasn't been about that since the day after the news of the failed drug test leaked.

 

[amnesiac]

that is a fair question.

maybe a more productive discussion would revolve around how to make the trolls accountable while they are actually trolling and not after the fact.

I'm sure if you could answer that, the internet would elect you its king and make a repository of joyous .gifs in your honor.

i'm no tech guy, but is there a way to limit the number of accounts each poster has to a single account on this board?

 

[Bayhawks]

Anyone else enjoying this thread now that Soulfly is not littering it with his ridiculous out of touch with reality bias posts, I would like to describe his posting with much harsher words, but I already got a warning point when I did that pages ago with his uneducated comments.

He was only provoking everyone with his comments because they were full of outlandish remarks while they would get others worked up that some (myself) got a warning point for putting him in his place and all he was doing was trying to provoke people to type things that would upset mods. He has now run scared from facing the music of a situation that his mouth put him in, I hope the mods allow others to show how wrong he was with leeway since he brought this on himself and since he was demanding apologies and starting other threads to show how right he was.

Soulflys reputation and ability to post has been destroyed and that is a great joy for me, but whats bring me great joy is how scared he is to even come back to this site as Soulfly (We know he has been here as another alias) and others have used the word that describes that type of person.

I've been reading this thread and a few others with great interest. I don't think Soulfly was too far off base and I'm actually surprised he's taken a little vacation from this thread.The C Carter take kind of irked me in this way. I wonder if the eagles would have cut Carter if he had just had 1600+ yds in 14 games.

The truth is, he just wasn't that good at the time and it wasn't a hard decision to remove him from the roster.

This situation is not even close to his.

It cost the Browns nothing to keep him and see how it plays out.

They are building a running team to diminish the loss of Gordon.

Carter wasn't talking about Gordon from a football or business standpoint (as far as I could tell). He was saying the Browns should cut him, b/c it would be best for him. He said that his experience of getting cut was what opened his eyes and made him change his life.Obviously, from a football and business perspective, the Browns shouldn't cut him. He's not making a huge salary, and (IIRC) if he gets suspended for a season, the Browns retain his rights for an additional year. If he can straighten himself out, the Browns will have a super WR returning to them for little cost.

How will they know if he had straightened himself out? Because he didn't get arrested for a year?Should they then make plans for him to be their #1 WR? Can they trust him to be that? Ever?

People are talking about how the Browns are going to run the ball, to compensate. That kind of sucks, that they have to do that. What happens if he gets reinstated, next year? Can the Browns just count on him being there? No, they can't.

They won't, only time will tell. However, they don't have a lot invested in him. He's under contract for 2014 for under $900K, and for 2015 for under $1.1M. If he is suspended for a year, I believe that his contract rolls over.So, the Browns don't have anything to lose by keeping him. If he gets suspended, they have the extra roster spot to sign someone. It's not like they are going to get a #1WR for this season at this point.

Prior to next season, they shoudl try to fill the #1 WR spot (draft, FA, an in-house WR who steps up, etc), and if/when Gordon returns & has (hopefully) straightened his life out, they have a cheap stud WR to add to their WR corps.

This comes to my point. They don't have a lot of 'money' invested. That's not the same as some cheap scrub not paying off.

They were counting on him. He has, probably, decimated their passing game for one season.

He's not a bonus player, that if he hits, Great!

He's a core player, whom along with Cameron, a team would build around. They made moves during free agency assuming he was the guy. Even if he is inexpensive, they were counting on him. And they will have to make a big money decision on him soon enough.

I don't know that I understand what you are getting at.

Are you suggesting that they should cut him?

He is/was a core player, but if he's suspended, then he's suspended. Cutting him/keeping him won't change that he won't be available if he is suspended. If he is suspended, the "big money" decision won't come as soon as it might have otherwise. With his contract being rolled over, they get another year, plus his "problems" will likely make it (slightly) cheaper to sign him to another contract.

I'm not arguing that he will come back and become a #1 WR that the Browns will be able to rely on for 7-10 years. What I'm saying is that there really isn't a financial or business reason for the Browns to cut him. If they keep his rights, and he never makes it back, they aren't out anything (more than they already are). If they keep his rights, and he comes back, but screws up again, they aren't out anything. If they keep his rights, and he "fixes" his life, they get a stud WR back. Keeping him is a no-brainer, IMO.

 

[Joe Bryant]

i find the discussion on posting decorum to be slightly more interesting than arguing the semantics of addictive behavior/substances.

if there isn't some sort of accountability of the way people post/act, this forum will continue to suffer.

i've long found it odd that people can, let's put it nicely, needle other posters for quite some time and then just switch to another alias and continue on their way with no repercussions.

I'm in favor of accountability. I'm not in favor of ridicule.

I'm also not really in favor of beating dead horses. News of Gordon's DUI broke 14 pages ago. Soulfly's name has been mentioned 184 times in this thread since then. After 14 pages and 184 mentions in 4 days, is there anything productive to still be gained? We can pretend that we're piling on because of "accountability", but that's obviously a fiction. At this point, we're just piling on, and that doesn't serve anyone. After 14 pages and 184 mentions, I'm pretty sure everyone who is reading this thread gets that Soulfly was wrong. Is that not enough? What else does everyone want? Pictures of Soulfly with sad clown facepaint? Financial compensation? Actual, literal blood?

that is a fair question.maybe a more productive discussion would revolve around how to make the trolls accountable while they are actually trolling and not after the fact.

It's an interesting point and question. With multiple layers.

One angle is that we start having more civil discussions where we A) Say what we think and B)Why we think it.

Oftentimes, we're quick to label someone a troll for the primary reason that they disagree with what we think.

We'd have a ton less animosity if we could try to accept other points of view. Other points of view would be way more accepted if we did a better job of explaining why we think what we think.

The hopeful way this plays out is that people who refuse to support what they think get mostly ignored.

It should be simple. And yes, that's probably too optimistic. But I do think theres' much room for improvement in not automatically labeling those we disagree with as trolls and for people doing a better job of supporting their statements - especially when they're out of the mainstream.

J

 

[Chaka]

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Anyone else enjoying this thread now that Soulfly is not littering it with his ridiculous out of touch with reality bias posts, I would like to describe his posting with much harsher words, but I already got a warning point when I did that pages ago with his uneducated comments.

He was only provoking everyone with his comments because they were full of outlandish remarks while they would get others worked up that some (myself) got a warning point for putting him in his place and all he was doing was trying to provoke people to type things that would upset mods. He has now run scared from facing the music of a situation that his mouth put him in, I hope the mods allow others to show how wrong he was with leeway since he brought this on himself and since he was demanding apologies and starting other threads to show how right he was.

Soulflys reputation and ability to post has been destroyed and that is a great joy for me, but whats bring me great joy is how scared he is to even come back to this site as Soulfly (We know he has been here as another alias) and others have used the word that describes that type of person.

I've been reading this thread and a few others with great interest. I don't think Soulfly was too far off base and I'm actually surprised he's taken a little vacation from this thread.

The C Carter take kind of irked me in this way. I wonder if the eagles would have cut Carter if he had just had 1600+ yds in 14 games.

The truth is, he just wasn't that good at the time and it wasn't a hard decision to remove him from the roster.

This situation is not even close to his.

It cost the Browns nothing to keep him and see how it plays out.

They are building a running team to diminish the loss of Gordon.

Carter had 11 TDs the season before they cut him.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Josh Gordon- WR - Browns
Cardinals FS Tyrann Mathieu believes no one can save Josh Gordon's career but Gordon.
This isn't the sort of item we'd typically post, but it's slow season, and notable because Mathieu went through Gordon-like lows at LSU. "Me having been through it and having a little bit of experience with that, I don’t think anybody in the world could possibly tell him anything," Mathieu said. "Hopefully he will get the message, but most of the time it takes for people to hit rock bottom for them to start believing in their self and start seeking help. ... He just has to want it for himself." Mathieu's advice is far-more constructive than Cris Carter's.
Related: Tyrann Mathieu

Source: azcardinals.com
Jul 9 - 8:29 AM

 

[Touchdown There]

in the end, we all lose because Gordon is a special talent.

We do not all lose. I am not a Browns fan and the owner of Gordon in my dynasty league was in my division. Total win for me.

 

[Touchdown There]

if there isn't some sort of accountability of the way people post/act, this forum will continue to suffer.

What about the times that people post the truth that no one likes to hear? The times you have to fend off the masses and fanboys with their incorrect assumptions and biases? SoulFly3 tried that here and failed. Many other times the poster with a minority opinion is very, very correct and even when proven so, no one comes back to apologize. They just dislike you because they do not like your opinion. That is the problem with the internet in general (not just the Pool) - bias attached to emotion.

 

[Touchdown There]

I you can't hold someone accountable without ridicule then you seriously need to find a different board.

J

False Start is not the problem here. He was right, SoulFly3 was wrong. I would prefer knowledgeable, accurate posters here.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Okay now that we know what SoulFly3 really is, I think there is an interesting challenge with ranking/valuing Gordon.

This is not to call Bloom out because I am not, but I would certainly like to hear his thoughts.

Bloom has guys like, Janis, J Boyce, Charles Johnson, and Stephen Hill ranked ahead of Gordon. I guess the real question is, do those players have a higher probability of ever being fantasy relevant than Gordon? Obviously Gordon's upside is WAY higher, so unless you believe his odds of ever coming back are way lower than the previously mentioned WR's becoming relevant, then ranking Gordon behind them wouldn't make sense. Once again, I am not trying to call out Bloom, I am just trying to think through my own logic, by starting with his result.

The other guy Bloom has in front of Gordon is J Blackmon. This is a very interesting one as it is as close to apples to apples as I think you can get when comparing Gordon to another WR in todays NFL.

IMO, I would say

Probability of coming back - Gordon > Blackmon

Upside if WR comes back - Gordon >> Blackmon

So for me, using my very simple analysis, I would take Gordon >>> over Blackmon, but I would be curious to hear others views (Bloom too if he sees this)

Blackmon's biggest advantage is that, assuming Gordon gets his indefinite suspension, Blackmon will be eligible for reinstatement much sooner, giving him less time to get into trouble in the meantime. I also don't think their upsides are that different; remember, Blackmon was also a top-5 fantasy WR for a putrid offense when he played last year.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Okay now that we know what SoulFly3 really is, I think there is an interesting challenge with ranking/valuing Gordon.

This is not to call Bloom out because I am not, but I would certainly like to hear his thoughts.

Bloom has guys like, Janis, J Boyce, Charles Johnson, and Stephen Hill ranked ahead of Gordon. I guess the real question is, do those players have a higher probability of ever being fantasy relevant than Gordon? Obviously Gordon's upside is WAY higher, so unless you believe his odds of ever coming back are way lower than the previously mentioned WR's becoming relevant, then ranking Gordon behind them wouldn't make sense. Once again, I am not trying to call out Bloom, I am just trying to think through my own logic, by starting with his result.

The other guy Bloom has in front of Gordon is J Blackmon. This is a very interesting one as it is as close to apples to apples as I think you can get when comparing Gordon to another WR in todays NFL.

IMO, I would say

Probability of coming back - Gordon > Blackmon

Upside if WR comes back - Gordon >> Blackmon

So for me, using my very simple analysis, I would take Gordon >>> over Blackmon, but I would be curious to hear others views (Bloom too if he sees this)

Blackmon's biggest advantage is that, assuming Gordon gets his indefinite suspension, Blackmon will be eligible for reinstatement much sooner, giving him less time to get into trouble in the meantime. I also don't think their upsides are that different; remember, Blackmon was also a top-5 fantasy WR for a putrid offense when he played last year.

Also, it could be argued that problems with alcohol, weed, and opiates >>> problems with just alcohol. Personally, I think they're roughly the same guy and wouldn't really go out of my way to acquire either one right now unless the cost was way cheaper than it is currently in any leagues I'm in. These situations are so non-transparent that it makes getting a decent read on what's going on impossible. Blackmon could have failed another handful of tests since last year, or he could have completed rehab and be totally clean -- we'd never know the difference until he actually gets reinstated. Same for Gordon once his suspension hits. No news is obviously good news as far as the police blotter, but no one will ever know what's going on with the 10 drug screens / month these guys are facing until the hammer falls.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

that is a fair question.

maybe a more productive discussion would revolve around how to make the trolls accountable while they are actually trolling and not after the fact.

I'm sure if you could answer that, the internet would elect you its king and make a repository of joyous .gifs in your honor.

i'm no tech guy, but is there a way to limit the number of accounts each poster has to a single account on this board?

I'd think you could check the IP addresses or something. I'm still not sure why we can't change our usernames though without having to start over from scratch

 

[Ojaays]

Anyone else enjoying this thread now that Soulfly is not littering it with his ridiculous out of touch with reality bias posts, I would like to describe his posting with much harsher words, but I already got a warning point when I did that pages ago with his uneducated comments.

He was only provoking everyone with his comments because they were full of outlandish remarks while they would get others worked up that some (myself) got a warning point for putting him in his place and all he was doing was trying to provoke people to type things that would upset mods. He has now run scared from facing the music of a situation that his mouth put him in, I hope the mods allow others to show how wrong he was with leeway since he brought this on himself and since he was demanding apologies and starting other threads to show how right he was.

Soulflys reputation and ability to post has been destroyed and that is a great joy for me, but whats bring me great joy is how scared he is to even come back to this site as Soulfly (We know he has been here as another alias) and others have used the word that describes that type of person.

I've been reading this thread and a few others with great interest. I don't think Soulfly was too far off base and I'm actually surprised he's taken a little vacation from this thread.

The C Carter take kind of irked me in this way. I wonder if the eagles would have cut Carter if he had just had 1600+ yds in 14 games.

The truth is, he just wasn't that good at the time and it wasn't a hard decision to remove him from the roster.

This situation is not even close to his.

It cost the Browns nothing to keep him and see how it plays out.

They are building a running team to diminish the loss of Gordon.

This is your first post you have made and it is defending Soulfly with a username created 2 days ago? Just sayin'.

But lets entertain that.... Not to far off base? He was only defending everything said about Gordon as if Gordon was a saint. But after his latest arrest and being bailed out by a known felon while waiting for his appeal of a suspension for having an illegal substance which would be one of the many he has had in his short life. You are right I suppose, he was not off base defending him when the majority saw this as only a matter of time.

I've been a long time reader and finally found time to log on to post a little, I do enjoy this board, lots of good info during the season here.

My post was not meant to defend anyone, but let's take a little inventory.

Most of SF's take was Gordon wasn't going to miss many, if any games over what was being discussed with the league.

Apparently Gordon missed a test, took it later than he should have and passed it, apparently had a pretty compelling reason why he was late to test. That's really all that was on the table.

The first speeding ticket was just that, a speeding ticket 74 in a 60. Nobody gets suspended for that. It wasn't reckless driving, just speeding.

The latest speeding ticket was 50 in 35, not reckless driving. Nobody gets suspended for that.

He was also charged with DUI, Gordon blew a .09, the limit was .08.

Now to give some perspective. M Lynch was charged with alcohol induced reckless driving, over the legal limit of .08 and was weaving and almost collided with two other cars.

This was not Lynch's first trouble with league and had previously been suspended twice.

How long did Lynch get suspended for this latest offense?

Anyone want chime in here?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Okay now that we know what SoulFly3 really is, I think there is an interesting challenge with ranking/valuing Gordon.

This is not to call Bloom out because I am not, but I would certainly like to hear his thoughts.

Bloom has guys like, Janis, J Boyce, Charles Johnson, and Stephen Hill ranked ahead of Gordon. I guess the real question is, do those players have a higher probability of ever being fantasy relevant than Gordon? Obviously Gordon's upside is WAY higher, so unless you believe his odds of ever coming back are way lower than the previously mentioned WR's becoming relevant, then ranking Gordon behind them wouldn't make sense. Once again, I am not trying to call out Bloom, I am just trying to think through my own logic, by starting with his result.

The other guy Bloom has in front of Gordon is J Blackmon. This is a very interesting one as it is as close to apples to apples as I think you can get when comparing Gordon to another WR in todays NFL.

IMO, I would say

Probability of coming back - Gordon > Blackmon

Upside if WR comes back - Gordon >> Blackmon

So for me, using my very simple analysis, I would take Gordon >>> over Blackmon, but I would be curious to hear others views (Bloom too if he sees this)

Blackmon's biggest advantage is that, assuming Gordon gets his indefinite suspension, Blackmon will be eligible for reinstatement much sooner, giving him less time to get into trouble in the meantime. I also don't think their upsides are that different; remember, Blackmon was also a top-5 fantasy WR for a putrid offense when he played last year.

Good point on the timing. I guess (and I am just guessing) I feel like Blackmon's issues are/were more severe than Gordon's. I don't disagree with you on Blackmon's potential/limited production as a top 5 wr, but Gordon was #1 and already proved his upside with numbers last year that I think are better than Blackmon's upside potential. So I think I still rank Gordon over Blackmon, but maybe not by as much as my initial thoughts.

Is this timing advantage and Blackmon's potential enough for you to rank him above Gordon?

Another issue with Blackmon, for me, is the way the team changed their stance on him this offseason. The Jags went from being publicly supportive to "we're moving forward without him," giving his locker to someone else, and investing two 2nd round picks in WRs this May. I think it's rather likely that something happened to cause that change -- maybe another missed / failed test (obviously pure speculation there).

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Anyone else enjoying this thread now that Soulfly is not littering it with his ridiculous out of touch with reality bias posts, I would like to describe his posting with much harsher words, but I already got a warning point when I did that pages ago with his uneducated comments.

He was only provoking everyone with his comments because they were full of outlandish remarks while they would get others worked up that some (myself) got a warning point for putting him in his place and all he was doing was trying to provoke people to type things that would upset mods. He has now run scared from facing the music of a situation that his mouth put him in, I hope the mods allow others to show how wrong he was with leeway since he brought this on himself and since he was demanding apologies and starting other threads to show how right he was.

Soulflys reputation and ability to post has been destroyed and that is a great joy for me, but whats bring me great joy is how scared he is to even come back to this site as Soulfly (We know he has been here as another alias) and others have used the word that describes that type of person.

I've been reading this thread and a few others with great interest. I don't think Soulfly was too far off base and I'm actually surprised he's taken a little vacation from this thread.

The C Carter take kind of irked me in this way. I wonder if the eagles would have cut Carter if he had just had 1600+ yds in 14 games.

The truth is, he just wasn't that good at the time and it wasn't a hard decision to remove him from the roster.

This situation is not even close to his.

It cost the Browns nothing to keep him and see how it plays out.

They are building a running team to diminish the loss of Gordon.

Carter wasn't talking about Gordon from a football or business standpoint (as far as I could tell). He was saying the Browns should cut him, b/c it would be best for him. He said that his experience of getting cut was what opened his eyes and made him change his life.

Obviously, from a football and business perspective, the Browns shouldn't cut him. He's not making a huge salary, and (IIRC) if he gets suspended for a season, the Browns retain his rights for an additional year. If he can straighten himself out, the Browns will have a super WR returning to them for little cost.

I agree with this. It may not work, but it may be absolute rock bottom. At this point coddling him because he is an extreme talent isn't doing him any favors in regards to him growing up.

 

[amnesiac]

if there isn't some sort of accountability of the way people post/act, this forum will continue to suffer.

What about the times that people post the truth that no one likes to hear? The times you have to fend off the masses and fanboys with their incorrect assumptions and biases? SoulFly3 tried that here and failed. Many other times the poster with a minority opinion is very, very correct and even when proven so, no one comes back to apologize. They just dislike you because they do not like your opinion. That is the problem with the internet in general (not just the Pool) - bias attached to emotion.

i have no issue with dissenting opinions and i do attempt to keep an open mind. it's when it becomes shtick that i lose respect

 

[Adam Harstad]

Okay now that we know what SoulFly3 really is, I think there is an interesting challenge with ranking/valuing Gordon.

This is not to call Bloom out because I am not, but I would certainly like to hear his thoughts.

Bloom has guys like, Janis, J Boyce, Charles Johnson, and Stephen Hill ranked ahead of Gordon. I guess the real question is, do those players have a higher probability of ever being fantasy relevant than Gordon? Obviously Gordon's upside is WAY higher, so unless you believe his odds of ever coming back are way lower than the previously mentioned WR's becoming relevant, then ranking Gordon behind them wouldn't make sense. Once again, I am not trying to call out Bloom, I am just trying to think through my own logic, by starting with his result.

The other guy Bloom has in front of Gordon is J Blackmon. This is a very interesting one as it is as close to apples to apples as I think you can get when comparing Gordon to another WR in todays NFL.

IMO, I would say

Probability of coming back - Gordon > Blackmon

Upside if WR comes back - Gordon >> Blackmon

So for me, using my very simple analysis, I would take Gordon >>> over Blackmon, but I would be curious to hear others views (Bloom too if he sees this)

Blackmon's biggest advantage is that, assuming Gordon gets his indefinite suspension, Blackmon will be eligible for reinstatement much sooner, giving him less time to get into trouble in the meantime. I also don't think their upsides are that different; remember, Blackmon was also a top-5 fantasy WR for a putrid offense when he played last year.

Good point on the timing. I guess (and I am just guessing) I feel like Blackmon's issues are/were more severe than Gordon's. I don't disagree with you on Blackmon's potential/limited production as a top 5 wr, but Gordon was #1 and already proved his upside with numbers last year that I think are better than Blackmon's upside potential. So I think I still rank Gordon over Blackmon, but maybe not by as much as my initial thoughts.

Is this timing advantage and Blackmon's potential enough for you to rank him above Gordon?

I'm not so sure Blackmon's issues are more severe than Gordon's. I don't know how we would tell that. I know that alcohol is no joke and a 0.24 DUI is insane. At the same time, Gordon's got a much, much longer history. Blackmon stayed pretty clean through college. He got arrested for a DUI in 2010, but my understanding is that he was actually under the legal limit, it's just that anyone underage gets a DUI if they have "any detectable amount of alcohol" in their system. Personally, I don't really consider "drinking as an undergrad" to be a red flag. Apparently the Jags agreed, because they spent a top-5 pick on Blackmon. I know that Doug Drinen, an OSU fan, once described Blackmon as Dez Bryant without the character red flags. It seems laughable in hindsight, but there's a reason Blackmon went at the top of the 1st round and Bryant went at the bottom.

Basically, to earn his suspension, Blackmon has one insane DUI and a pair of failed tests. Meanwhile, Gordon has 3 failed tests in college (getting him kicked out of two schools and forcing him to enter the supplemental draft), plus at least two more failed tests in the pros, plus driving with weed in the car, plus a (much, much less insane) DUI. Alcohol issues tend to be worse than weed issues, but Gordon has a LOT more screwups on his resume, and he might have Purple Drank issues in addition to the weed ones. I don't really know how to break the tie between them- I really don't- so I'd lean towards Justin Blackmon being slightly more likely to play again, simply because has less time remaining with which to get himself into trouble. I also think Gordon has slightly more talent and upside, based on the marginally longer track record.

I'll be updating my rankings in the next day or so, and I suspect Gordon's going to wind up right next to Blackmon in the most recent set. Blackmon is currently WR49, which sounds about right to me for both. Ironically enough, it seems like this might turn me from the guy who has persistently been lowest on Gordon into the guy who, paradoxically, is suddenly the highest on Gordon. At least among FBGs staff; I haven't checked to see how rankers at other sites are handling this most recent news.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

It's an interesting point and question. With multiple layers.

One angle is that we start having more civil discussions where we A) Say what we think and B)Why we think it.

Oftentimes, we're quick to label someone a troll for the primary reason that they disagree with what we think.

We'd have a ton less animosity if we could try to accept other points of view. Other points of view would be way more accepted if we did a better job of explaining why we think what we think.

The hopeful way this plays out is that people who refuse to support what they think get mostly ignored.

It should be simple. And yes, that's probably too optimistic. But I do think theres' much room for improvement in not automatically labeling those we disagree with as trolls and for people doing a better job of supporting their statements - especially when they're out of the mainstream.

J

Amen.

Disagreeing with the majority is always gonna be considered trolling by a small percentage of people. Those few people hold their OWN opinion so tightly and in such high regard that all opposing views must exist for the sole purpose of annoying those people.

It's a message board filled with opinions...those opinions are expressed in the same variety as those you get in the real world. Well thought out, humorous, belligerent, angry, plain dumb, silly, incoherent, brilliant, etc. If someone's style of expression particularly annoys you just keep scrolling. I've done it for a solid decade on this board and it works just fine. Basically it's the overly sensitive that feed the actual trolls the most. Stop feeding them and they starve. Pretty simple.

 

[Adam Harstad]

How long did Lynch get suspended for this latest offense?

Anyone want chime in here?

Suspension hasn't been handed down yet. The league's new policy is to wait for the legal process to play itself out, and Lynch's legal team keeps delaying the court hearing so the legal process is still pending.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Apparently Gordon missed a test, took it later than he should have and passed it, apparently had a pretty compelling reason why he was late to test. That's really all that was on the table.

That's speculation/rumor as well which hasn't been confirmed either way. Its also been reported that he failed a test.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Anyone else enjoying this thread now that Soulfly is not littering it with his ridiculous out of touch with reality bias posts, I would like to describe his posting with much harsher words, but I already got a warning point when I did that pages ago with his uneducated comments.

He was only provoking everyone with his comments because they were full of outlandish remarks while they would get others worked up that some (myself) got a warning point for putting him in his place and all he was doing was trying to provoke people to type things that would upset mods. He has now run scared from facing the music of a situation that his mouth put him in, I hope the mods allow others to show how wrong he was with leeway since he brought this on himself and since he was demanding apologies and starting other threads to show how right he was.

Soulflys reputation and ability to post has been destroyed and that is a great joy for me, but whats bring me great joy is how scared he is to even come back to this site as Soulfly (We know he has been here as another alias) and others have used the word that describes that type of person.

His style raised my hackles a couple of times. But I'm certain my style raises some others' hackles at times as well.

I don't see any need to curb stomp him. He's already done enough to himself. Let it go and don't take yourself to his level for schadenfreude. Some bad juju going that way.

 

[Ojaays]

How long did Lynch get suspended for this latest offense?

Anyone want chime in here?

Suspension hasn't been handed down yet. The league's new policy is to wait for the legal process to play itself out, and Lynch's legal team keeps delaying the court hearing so the legal process is still pending.

Lynch pleaded guilty in February 2014.

There have been nothing but crickets from the league since then.

So at that rate, I guess Gordon is on schedule to play in 2014 after all.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Thanks for the well thought out response. I am right with you on Gordon. At his previous value, I wouldn't touch him as I was very down on him. At his current value he is a very interesting flyer. That said, I would imagine most Gordon (and Blackmon) owners will be unwilling to give them up at such depressed levels, which means I probably won't own either anytime soon (if ever).

I think it's going to depend on the league. A lot of guys are going to be pissed and disgusted. They'll probably take whatever they can get just to be rid of him. Also, I'm sure Aaron Hernandez still looms large in people's memories- many still regret not selling low when they had a chance and at least getting something back for him. At the least, I'm going to be sending out a few feelers to see where the Gordon owner stands.

 

[Adam Harstad]

How long did Lynch get suspended for this latest offense?

Anyone want chime in here?

Suspension hasn't been handed down yet. The league's new policy is to wait for the legal process to play itself out, and Lynch's legal team keeps delaying the court hearing so the legal process is still pending.

Lynch pleaded guilty in February 2014.

There have been nothing but crickets from the league since then.

So at that rate, I guess Gordon is on schedule to play in 2014 after all.

Thank you, I was unaware of that.

Edit: Google says Lynch pled to reckless driving, not DUI. To my knowledge, no NFL player has ever been suspended for reckless driving.

 

[Ojaays]

my only question in regards to the Browns holding Gordon is this; does Gordon count on the 53 man roster or is there an exemption?

obviously they have the cap room, as i believe they don't have to pay him, but the salary counts against the cap.

If Gordon gets suspended he is Not part of the 53.

The Browns don't pay him, his cap number still counts but they have more than enough cap space.

There's no downside to Browns holding a wait and see approach.

 

[Ojaays]

If I'm a Gordon owner, I'm also holding until it plays out.

 

[False Start]

If I'm a Gordon owner, I'm also holding until it plays out.

So what made you join the site and start all your posting in this one thread today after signing up just two days ago, how did you hear about FBG? I always like hearing how new people got the urge to start posting.

 

[Ojaays]

How long did Lynch get suspended for this latest offense?

Anyone want chime in here?

Suspension hasn't been handed down yet. The league's new policy is to wait for the legal process to play itself out, and Lynch's legal team keeps delaying the court hearing so the legal process is still pending.

Lynch pleaded guilty in February 2014.

There have been nothing but crickets from the league since then.

So at that rate, I guess Gordon is on schedule to play in 2014 after all.

Thank you, I was unaware of that.

Edit: Google says Lynch pled to reckless driving, not DUI. To my knowledge, no NFL player has ever been suspended for reckless driving.

He pleaded guilty to reckless driving not DUI

He pleaded guilty to "wet reckless" which is alcohol induced.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/20/marshawn-lynch-to-plead-guilty-to-reckless-driving-to-end-dui-case/

 

[Adam Harstad]

He pleaded guilty to "wet reckless" which is alcohol induced.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/20/marshawn-lynch-to-plead-guilty-to-reckless-driving-to-end-dui-case/

Thanks for the clarification. What is the difference between "wet reckless" and DUI? I'm assuming it's a difference of level- i.e. if you're under the legal limit you get a wet reckless, and if you're over you get a DUI. Is that accurate?

I still think the league's in unfamiliar territory, there. I can't recall another player even getting a "wet reckless", let alone getting suspended for one. Especially since Goodell has been a lot less bombastic and eager to punish ever since Tags smacked him down over Bountygate.

 

[Ojaays]

If I'm a Gordon owner, I'm also holding until it plays out.

So what made you join the site and start all your posting in this one thread today after signing up just two days ago, how did you hear about FBG? I always like hearing how new people got the urge to start posting.

I've been a FBG member for a few years, use the site every year for my fantasy teams, it's great. I just never had the time to get around to posting. Finally found a little and I imagine I'll post in more than just one thread eventually. I have to start getting ready for season so I'll start looking at things a little more closely .

I love the FBG podcasts, great info, maybe the best info going during the season.

This thread was intriguing and full disclosure, I'm a huge Gordon fan, the dude has crazy skills.

 

[Ojaays]

He pleaded guilty to "wet reckless" which is alcohol induced.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/20/marshawn-lynch-to-plead-guilty-to-reckless-driving-to-end-dui-case/

Thanks for the clarification. What is the difference between "wet reckless" and DUI? I'm assuming it's a difference of level- i.e. if you're under the legal limit you get a wet reckless, and if you're over you get a DUI. Is that accurate?

I still think the league's in unfamiliar territory, there. I can't recall another player even getting a "wet reckless", let alone getting suspended for one. Especially since Goodell has been a lot less bombastic and eager to punish ever since Tags smacked him down over Bountygate.

Many criminal defense attorneys have the opportunity to plead their clients to a “wet reckless” charge instead of a DUI.

A wet reckless is the first of several reductions of a DUI charge that a person suspected of driving under the influence may take advantage of. Usually, a wet reckless is offered as a plea bargain when a person’s blood alcohol content is close to 0.08% or when there are holes in the prosecution’s case such that they would rather obtain a conviction of a lesser charge than lose at trial.

If someone pleads guilty to a wet reckless charge, they are pleading guilty to Vehicle Code 23103 which, technically, is a charge of driving recklessly. However, what makes a charge of Vehicle Code 23103 “wet” is the fact that the prosecutor states for the record that alcohol or drugs were involved with the charge.

Here is a link if you want to read more

http://www.duicentral.com/blog/2012/05/12/wet-reckless-vs-dui-charges/

Do you also have any links to the stories of players getting suspended for speeding?

The two speeding tickets and the DUI, are unrelated to the case the league is debating over right now with Gordon.

Looks to me like the "wet reckless" might be a place Gordon goes with the DUI charge, .09 is very close to .08.

 

[msommer]

I remember the good ol' days when this thread was actually about Josh Gordon.

Indeed.

How are we going to deal with Soulfly4 though when he shows up?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Anyone else enjoying this thread now that Soulfly is not littering it with his ridiculous out of touch with reality bias posts, I would like to describe his posting with much harsher words, but I already got a warning point when I did that pages ago with his uneducated comments.

He was only provoking everyone with his comments because they were full of outlandish remarks while they would get others worked up that some (myself) got a warning point for putting him in his place and all he was doing was trying to provoke people to type things that would upset mods. He has now run scared from facing the music of a situation that his mouth put him in, I hope the mods allow others to show how wrong he was with leeway since he brought this on himself and since he was demanding apologies and starting other threads to show how right he was.

Soulflys reputation and ability to post has been destroyed and that is a great joy for me, but whats bring me great joy is how scared he is to even come back to this site as Soulfly (We know he has been here as another alias) and others have used the word that describes that type of person.

I've been reading this thread and a few others with great interest. I don't think Soulfly was too far off base and I'm actually surprised he's taken a little vacation from this thread.

The C Carter take kind of irked me in this way. I wonder if the eagles would have cut Carter if he had just had 1600+ yds in 14 games.

The truth is, he just wasn't that good at the time and it wasn't a hard decision to remove him from the roster.

This situation is not even close to his.

It cost the Browns nothing to keep him and see how it plays out.

They are building a running team to diminish the loss of Gordon.

This is your first post you have made and it is defending Soulfly with a username created 2 days ago? Just sayin'.

But lets entertain that.... Not to far off base? He was only defending everything said about Gordon as if Gordon was a saint. But after his latest arrest and being bailed out by a known felon while waiting for his appeal of a suspension for having an illegal substance which would be one of the many he has had in his short life. You are right I suppose, he was not off base defending him when the majority saw this as only a matter of time.

I've been a long time reader and finally found time to log on to post a little, I do enjoy this board, lots of good info during the season here.

My post was not meant to defend anyone, but let's take a little inventory.

Most of SF's take was Gordon wasn't going to miss many, if any games over what was being discussed with the league.

Apparently Gordon missed a test, took it later than he should have and passed it, apparently had a pretty compelling reason why he was late to test. That's really all that was on the table.

The first speeding ticket was just that, a speeding ticket 74 in a 60. Nobody gets suspended for that. It wasn't reckless driving, just speeding.

The latest speeding ticket was 50 in 35, not reckless driving. Nobody gets suspended for that.

He was also charged with DUI, Gordon blew a .09, the limit was .08.

Now to give some perspective. M Lynch was charged with alcohol induced reckless driving, over the legal limit of .08 and was weaving and almost collided with two other cars.

This was not Lynch's first trouble with league and had previously been suspended twice.

How long did Lynch get suspended for this latest offense?

Anyone want chime in here?

Wow...that is the same thing Soulfly3 used to argue. Where did you get that info? Do you have a link?

Something fishy here.......It doesn't matter that he blew only a .09 and that he wasn't recklessly speeding.....It is his poor judgment...Goodell has no choice but to consider all things...Do these other incidents enter into the initial suspension decision, no. But if Gordon is looking for concessions and a lesser punishment than what is mandated I would say yes. Gordon would have a hard time trying to convince anybody (except Soulfly) that he has learned his lesson since his last failed drug test.

 

[msommer]

my only question in regards to the Browns holding Gordon is this; does Gordon count on the 53 man roster or is there an exemption?

obviously they have the cap room, as i believe they don't have to pay him, but the salary counts against the cap.

If Gordon gets suspended he is Not part of the 53.

The Browns don't pay him, his cap number still counts but they have more than enough cap space.

There's no downside to Browns holding a wait and see approach.

And like the Jags and Blackmon, the Browns are not allowed by the CBA to cut him

 

[Ojaays]

He pleaded guilty to "wet reckless" which is alcohol induced.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/20/marshawn-lynch-to-plead-guilty-to-reckless-driving-to-end-dui-case/

Thanks for the clarification. What is the difference between "wet reckless" and DUI? I'm assuming it's a difference of level- i.e. if you're under the legal limit you get a wet reckless, and if you're over you get a DUI. Is that accurate?

I still think the league's in unfamiliar territory, there. I can't recall another player even getting a "wet reckless", let alone getting suspended for one. Especially since Goodell has been a lot less bombastic and eager to punish ever since Tags smacked him down over Bountygate.

Many criminal defense attorneys have the opportunity to plead their clients to a “wet reckless” charge instead of a DUI.

A wet reckless is the first of several reductions of a DUI charge that a person suspected of driving under the influence may take advantage of. Usually, a wet reckless is offered as a plea bargain when a person’s blood alcohol content is close to 0.08% or when there are holes in the prosecution’s case such that they would rather obtain a conviction of a lesser charge than lose at trial.

If someone pleads guilty to a wet reckless charge, they are pleading guilty to Vehicle Code 23103 which, technically, is a charge of driving recklessly. However, what makes a charge of Vehicle Code 23103 “wet” is the fact that the prosecutor states for the record that alcohol or drugs were involved with the charge.

Here is a link if you want to read more

http://www.duicentral.com/blog/2012/05/12/wet-reckless-vs-dui-charges/

Do you also have any links to the stories of players getting suspended for speeding?

The two speeding tickets and the DUI, are unrelated to the case the league is debating over right now with Gordon.

Looks to me like the "wet reckless" might be a place Gordon goes with the DUI charge, .09 is very close to .08.

Players don't get suspended for speeding, but players trying to appeal a potential suspension aren't doing themselves any favors by speeding with weed in the car and speeding under the influence.

If Lynch was facing a suspension and then had his DUI/reckless wet situation occur, I think it would have an impact. Because he didn't and had it reduced to reckless driving (wet), I don't think it will impact him.

Lynch apparently didn't get suspended for the following so that is also ok with the league, I would guess.

In June, 2008, Lynch plead guilty to a hit and run charge and had his driver's license revoked. Lynch was driving his 2008 Porsche Cayenne at 3:30am through Buffalo's bar district, when he struck a woman in the street and failed to stop. When questioned, Lynch stated "I didn't know my car had hit anyone or anything." [40]

He did get suspended for gun thing.

Following his guilty plea on misdemeanor weapons charges during the 2009 offseason, Lynch met with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for a disciplinary hearing. Lynch had been arrested in Culver City, California, for having a gun in his backpack in the trunk of a car he was occupying, a crime in California.[19] On April 9, the NFL announced that Lynch would be suspended for the Bills' first three games for violations of the NFL's personal conduct policy.[20] Lynch appealed the league's suspension on May 14 in an attempt to have it reduced or nullified, only to have it upheld by Goodell later on August 3.

But apparently NONE of that weighed in to the current situation at all, again , crickets since February.

Just trying to add perspective.

 

[False Start]

The Gordon suspension should get announced much sooner under the personal conduct policy correct? I'm guessing they will call it an indefinite suspension and he will seek rehab.\ and fade away Blackmon style.

 

[Two Deep]

Shout out to Soulfly......Through the years I've seen many a poster hang their ### out, only to come out looking foolish. I've also seen those same posters come back in and eat a huge helping of crow.........and lastly I have also seen the majority of the other members welcome them back with no hard feelings. As in life, not everybody is going to agree with you or even like you. Hell I couldn't tell if you were serious or kidding in most cases but you were fun to watch. C'mon back, take on the chin and lets move forward.

 

[False Start]

From Rotoworld:

New Mexico WR Chase Clayton, North Carolina LB Darius Lipford, Virginia-Lynchburg DT Lakendrick Ross and SMU RB Traylon Shead are the players eligible for Thursday's Supplemental Draft.

There's not a Josh Gordon or Terrelle Pryor in the group. It's quite possible all four players go undrafted, meaning they would become undrafted free agents free to sign with any club.

Can we assume this is a good thing since their careers have not gone the way they want, for different reasons? A lot of these players are in the supplemental draft for a reason. Gordons talent is tremendous, but this solidifies that if they don't have it mentally, pass on the player.

On a side note, will Gordon seek help to stay in the league, will he just quite the league to stay high or will he just keep on doing this juvenile stuff until he is in jail?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

How long did Lynch get suspended for this latest offense?

Anyone want chime in here?

Suspension hasn't been handed down yet. The league's new policy is to wait for the legal process to play itself out, and Lynch's legal team keeps delaying the court hearing so the legal process is still pending.

Lynch pleaded guilty in February 2014.

There have been nothing but crickets from the league since then.

So at that rate, I guess Gordon is on schedule to play in 2014 after all.

His suspension is for a (alleged) failed drug test, not the DUI - the DUI really wouldn't have any bearing other than possibly affecting his appeal (negatively) so the 2014 season is still in serious doubt.

 

[msommer]

How long did Lynch get suspended for this latest offense?

Anyone want chime in here?

Suspension hasn't been handed down yet. The league's new policy is to wait for the legal process to play itself out, and Lynch's legal team keeps delaying the court hearing so the legal process is still pending.

Lynch pleaded guilty in February 2014.

There have been nothing but crickets from the league since then.

So at that rate, I guess Gordon is on schedule to play in 2014 after all.

His (alleged) suspension is for a failed drug test, not the DUI - the DUI really wouldn't have any bearing other than possibly affecting his appeal (negatively) so the 2014 season is still in serious doubt.

But the DUI would mean that he'll also get tested for alcohol in the future - another possibility to get further suspended or to hve reinstatement denied. SO it does have bearing over an above the potential influence on the appeal

 

[Coeur de Lion]

How long did Lynch get suspended for this latest offense?

Anyone want chime in here?

Suspension hasn't been handed down yet. The league's new policy is to wait for the legal process to play itself out, and Lynch's legal team keeps delaying the court hearing so the legal process is still pending.

Lynch pleaded guilty in February 2014.There have been nothing but crickets from the league since then.

So at that rate, I guess Gordon is on schedule to play in 2014 after all.

His (alleged) suspension is for a failed drug test, not the DUI - the DUI really wouldn't have any bearing other than possibly affecting his appeal (negatively) so the 2014 season is still in serious doubt.

Yeah, he might be looking at a year just for the first issue alone; and I doubt the league is going to look favorably on his appeal given the fact that he's been in the headlines twice more since this process was started. Then dealing with the speeding / weed thing under the personal conduct policy. Then back to the substance abuse policy for the DUI. Nothing's 100%, but as of this minute I wouldn't even bother to draft the guy at all in redraft leagues.