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I've drafted plenty of stiff WRs in redraft that were healthy , had opportunity and did nothing, because they sucked.
The NFL has ruled that the Jags could cut Blackmon if they so desired, though Jacksonville has stated that they are not interested. And besides, Gordon hasn't even been suspended yet, so there's nothing preventing the Browns from cutting him right now if that's the route they really wanted to go.
I understand the thought process on cutting him, but I also see why the Browns would be reluctant. 23 years old and possibly misses one season. If he straightens his life around he would have a whole lot of football left in him.
Right. If I were the Browns, there's no chance I'd cut Gordon unless his presence on the team was starting to negatively affect the locker room or something. Same for Blackmon and the Jags. They're both cheap enough that it really just amounts to cutting off your nose to spite your face. I merely wanted to address the question of whether the Browns could cut Gordon if they were so inclined. It is my understanding that that is within their power, if they should want to do so.
Nope, got the wrong guy.False Start said:
Just put the Giants shirt back on, and c'mon back, already.
You are both named after bands...very different kind of music for sure...but a coincidence nonetheless. Hmm...Nope, got the wrong guy.False Start said:
Just put the Giants shirt back on, and c'mon back, already.
But, he was rather entertaining, and that's something.
Agree with this, Soulfly could still credibly say, I think that the league may have given him a minimal suspension under the former facts, but since then circumstances have changed, and my opinion has as well. I don't think he should get a hard time for that at all.
I still would. In my most recent set of rankings, he came out about 67th or so. When it comes down to a choice between Gordon and Rishard Matthews or Nate Washington, I will continue to take Josh Gordon as long as the chances of him getting a year-long suspension are a tenth of a percent less than 100%.
I'd be more inclined to take a flyer in dynasty than in redraft, personally. I think the chances of him playing in 2014 are really pretty close to zero at this point.
Except until his recent silence after the DUI arrest, he continued to say "it doesn't matter that he got stopped for speeding with weed in his car, it wasn't his," and even after that came out, he went from a 4-6 game suspension to his prediction, to no suspension at all.
There shouldn't be a cap number if he's suspended for the whole year.Ojaays said:
x2. I started drafting him in re-draft, best ball leagues last month. He didn't cost more than a 15th rounder (Roughly WR55 in a 22 round draft) and he's no more than WR6 on any team. Best ball is essentially winner takes all, so you have to go out on a limb and take shots late. I'm obviously not feeling as optimistic after his recent arrest, but his cost was minimal and his upside is huge. Even if it doesn't work out, I took a stab at it and hitting home runs late helps you win leagues, my friends.
I would agree, but I find the distinction between pretty close to zero and zero to be especially meaningful. If I'm in the 20th round, I'd much rather have a 1% chance at a guy who could single-handedly win me my league than Nate Washington, who is pretty much a 75% chance at being juuuuuuuust barely over waiver-quality.
Why is he a hold? Seems like he is the definition of what type of fantasy player should be cut. No value to your team currently, his future is bleak, he commands a wasted roster spot, and he is a guaranteed 0 for at least a year. Whats the value? He may be a stud 2-3 years from now and still have the legal and trouble risks? Last year statistically was probably his best possible season anyways. You are assuming that he will stay in elite shape for the year off and out of trouble and will come back and still be an elite player.
2-3 years? Or in 13 months.
Replace "Josh Gordon circa 2014" with "Peyton Manning circa 2011", and "legal and trouble risks" with "injury risk and surgical complications". That's why Josh Gordon is a hold in dynasty leagues.False Start said:
i agree this would be a fair assessment once we know he is actually receiving treatment. and earlier there was a fair point that he has not actually been suspended yet.
At this point I am fairly resigned to the fact that he will miss 2014 (if not that would be great but it does not look good). And to be fair the reinstatement process could linger into next season, providing he doesn't #### up during his suspension which is no guarantee. Still, for a guy with Calvin Johnson potential I would be willing to "waste" a roster spot on him for 2014.
Obviously everything is relative. Everyone is a buy if the price is right. Everyone is a sell, too. If the Gordon owner in your league is even MORE convinced he's going to keep making mistakes than you are, then that means you should be able to settle on a price where it makes sense for you to acquire him.
I don't disagree, but rather was pointing out that this is not a fact yet.
He's obviously easily worth a roster spot in dynasty leagues unless rosters are really shallow. I think it's pretty arguable whether he is in redraft leagues unless rosters are very deep. I pretty much agree with where you have him ranked currently -- but most of my dynasty leagues have 100+ WRs rostered vs my redraft leagues where 60ish is pretty typical.
How does any of that make him not worth a roster spot in a typical dynasty format? I'd put his chances of playing in 2014 at pretty close to zero, personally. I'd put his chances at ever playing another NFL snap at maybe 50 / 50. He's still easily worth more than the WR100ish crap at the end of everyone's benches.
A player has to wait exactly one year to apply for reinstatement. So yes, if he does get suspended he's most likely looking at two year suspension since it will take several months after the application for the NFL to decide whether to reinstate him.
IIRC any violation in stage 2 results in a four gamer, and violation in stage 3 is indefinite, and the player can reapply after one year. We don't know for sure which stage Gordon was in prior to the first of the three recent incidents, but stage 3 seems pretty likely based on last year's suspension initially being four games and Gordon's own statements at the time.
Exactly. It is completely reasonable to use a bench spot on a guy with this much proven talent. If he gets popped again during the suspension then the situation needs to be reevaluated but for now he is absolutely worth more than some of the jokers people are rostering.
Do you have some information that some of us don't? Do you know how long his suspension is?
Particularly considering that he still carries trade value in any league with decently deep benches. If you're done, just post something along the lines of "best offer takes Gordon." Someone will give something for him. Hell, I've been on the Gordon is over-rated bandwagon forever, and my tipping point would be somewhere in the mid / late 2nd round rookie pick range.
Are we certain that if Josh Gordon does not get reinstated before the 2015 season begins, he cannot be reinstated for the entire 2015 season? Couldn't he make it back by, say, week 4? Or week 8?
I was more questioning league bylaws than timeline. Cstu seems confident that if Gordon's appeal isn't processed by kickoff of 2015, he'll miss the entire season. I was wondering if that's actually written somewhere in the substance policy.
Only if you also factor in Peyton's known work ethic and proven elite status over time. Not saying JG doesn't work, but Peyton is one of the best workers in the business.
I don't know that work ethic has all that much to do with recovery from neurological issues. Rehabbing from an ACL, yeah, sure, working out like a demon will probably help. But spinal cord injuries are just a "yes" or "no" thing I think, and nothing the player can do will have much effect on the outcome. I'm no brain surgeon, so take that with a grain or ten of salt.
I'm not saying that Josh Gordon is Peyton Manning. I'm saying that every statement False Start used to describe Josh Gordon would have also described Peyton Manning. No value to your team currently. His future is bleak. He commands a wasted roster spot, and he is guaranteed a 0 for at least a year. He may be a stud 2-3 years from now and still have the [risk of reinjury]. His best statistical seasons were probably behind him. You had to assume that he would be able to regain his elite conditioning after a lengthy rehab. If these particular statements were a good reason, in and of themselves, to drop a player... well then, we all should have dropped Peyton Manning in 2011. Also, while Gordon may not have Peyton's work ethic, I can name a hell of a lot more players who overcame serious addiction problems, got clean, and went on to have Hall of Fame careers than players who returned from having their neck fused and ever played another snap again.
Work ethic is necessary when recovering from a spinal injury, but it is not sufficient to ensure recovery. Meaning: if you do not have the requisite work ethic, you will not recover, but just having the necessary work ethic alone does not guarantee success.
Anybody not willing to hold him I assume also would not handcuff a stud RB in a high powered offense. You don't know the handcuff will see any playing time? Sure there is a risk of suspension, never playing again, never being the same player but he is very young and just had an elite season. He is worth a roster spot because if he plays again he has potential to provide elite WR numbers. Even if he came back for one more year in his career and posted elite WR numbers for one season his value is greater than that backup in case of injury that will never produce WR1 numbers.
