WR Josh Gordon, KC (5 Viewers)

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

It is my understanding that Gordon's appeal was argued in front of Arbitrator, Harold Henderson, who is limited to either upholding an indefinite suspension (1 year) or overruling the suspension based upon the NFL's drug testing policies and procedures. There appears to be no middle ground for the Arbitrator.

Given the elapsed time since the hearing, it seems the Arbitrator is giving Gordon's arguments due consideration.

Based upon the limited information which has been made available through the media, however, I am doubtful the Arbitrator determines that the NFL policy is flawed such that Gordon's suspension should be overruled.

The more time that elapses without any hint of negotiations between Gordon and Commissioner Goodell, the more likely it seems the two sides, or either of them, are content to leave this matter in the hands of the Arbitrator, and, hence, a likely year-long suspension.

It's Groundhog Day!

 

[Khy]

It is my understanding that Gordon's appeal was argued in front of Arbitrator, Harold Henderson, who is limited to either upholding an indefinite suspension (1 year) or overruling the suspension based upon the NFL's drug testing policies and procedures. There appears to be no middle ground for the Arbitrator.

Given the elapsed time since the hearing, it seems the Arbitrator is giving Gordon's arguments due consideration.

Based upon the limited information which has been made available through the media, however, I am doubtful the Arbitrator determines that the NFL policy is flawed such that Gordon's suspension should be overruled.

The more time that elapses without any hint of negotiations between Gordon and Commissioner Goodell, the more likely it seems the two sides, or either of them, are content to leave this matter in the hands of the Arbitrator, and, hence, a likely year-long suspension.

It's Groundhog Day!

I think the "Groundhog Day" statement has had more "Groundhog Day" occurrences in this thread than the things being called out for Groundhog Day.

So relax Ned the Head... if you dislike how the thread is recycling a lot of the same information than I implore you that the door is right at the top of the thread. Just click the Shark Pool link and then avoid clicking this one.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

It is my understanding that Gordon's appeal was argued in front of Arbitrator, Harold Henderson, who is limited to either upholding an indefinite suspension (1 year) or overruling the suspension based upon the NFL's drug testing policies and procedures. There appears to be no middle ground for the Arbitrator.

Given the elapsed time since the hearing, it seems the Arbitrator is giving Gordon's arguments due consideration.

Based upon the limited information which has been made available through the media, however, I am doubtful the Arbitrator determines that the NFL policy is flawed such that Gordon's suspension should be overruled.

The more time that elapses without any hint of negotiations between Gordon and Commissioner Goodell, the more likely it seems the two sides, or either of them, are content to leave this matter in the hands of the Arbitrator, and, hence, a likely year-long suspension.

It's Groundhog Day!

I think the "Groundhog Day" statement has had more "Groundhog Day" occurrences in this thread than the things being called out for Groundhog Day.

So relax Ned the Head... if you dislike how the thread is recycling a lot of the same information than I implore you that the door is right at the top of the thread. Just click the Shark Pool link and then avoid clicking this one.

Completely relaxed, though it seems as if you are not. I'm in here because I like the thread, but thanks for the tip!

 

[georg013]

I have to come clean. In the leagues I don't own Gordon in, I hope he gets a full 16 game suspension and doesn't return. I think he is clearly an addict. In the league where I do own him, I hope he gets off with a slap on the wrist because this is clearly a misunderstanding. Is that possible? I'm torn!

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I have to come clean. In the leagues I don't own Gordon in, I hope he gets a full 16 game suspension and doesn't return. I think he is clearly an addict. In the league where I do own him, I hope he gets off with a slap on the wrist because this is clearly a misunderstanding. Is that possible? I'm torn!

This is the #1 post in this thread..........I like you georg013.

 

[Clifford]

Still nothing? Sheesh they really weren't kidding when they said 1-3 weeks. I still don't understand why it takes so long.

The longer this takes the more likely I think he plays at some point this season. I think the NFL recognizes that a year ban for extremely low levels of weed is perceived as insane when Ray Rice got two games for punching out his girlfriend.

I would argue Goodell is the most acute sports commissioner when it comes to the pulse of the average sports fan, and doing whatever it takes to grow/maintain the popularity of the sport. I would be shocked if he isn't personally advising the result of this case (when it's not really his direct job to do so).

I think they are trying to come up with a solution reflects the changing viewpoint on weed while taking into account the seriousness of the PED movement and the fact that he did technically break the rules. I see either an 8-game ban or a year-ban with eligibility to reinstatement after 8 games. Keep in mind it's also possible his argument was solid enough that he completely gets off (however unlikely). The threshold for his test was absurdly low.

I thought we already established one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Sorry but total bs. What is more important to Goodell? Arbitrary enforcement of the rule or the overall popularity and credibility of the billion dollar money making engine he is charged with growing?

 

[Phenomena]

Still nothing? Sheesh they really weren't kidding when they said 1-3 weeks. I still don't understand why it takes so long.

The longer this takes the more likely I think he plays at some point this season. I think the NFL recognizes that a year ban for extremely low levels of weed is perceived as insane when Ray Rice got two games for punching out his girlfriend.

I would argue Goodell is the most acute sports commissioner when it comes to the pulse of the average sports fan, and doing whatever it takes to grow/maintain the popularity of the sport. I would be shocked if he isn't personally advising the result of this case (when it's not really his direct job to do so).

I think they are trying to come up with a solution reflects the changing viewpoint on weed while taking into account the seriousness of the PED movement and the fact that he did technically break the rules. I see either an 8-game ban or a year-ban with eligibility to reinstatement after 8 games. Keep in mind it's also possible his argument was solid enough that he completely gets off (however unlikely). The threshold for his test was absurdly low.

I thought we already established one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Sorry but total bs. What is more important to Goodell? Arbitrary enforcement of the rule or the overall popularity and credibility of the billion dollar money making engine he is charged with growing?

Exactly. It's foolish to think one has nothing to do with the other. Perception is reality.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Still nothing? Sheesh they really weren't kidding when they said 1-3 weeks. I still don't understand why it takes so long.

The longer this takes the more likely I think he plays at some point this season. I think the NFL recognizes that a year ban for extremely low levels of weed is perceived as insane when Ray Rice got two games for punching out his girlfriend.

I would argue Goodell is the most acute sports commissioner when it comes to the pulse of the average sports fan, and doing whatever it takes to grow/maintain the popularity of the sport. I would be shocked if he isn't personally advising the result of this case (when it's not really his direct job to do so).

I think they are trying to come up with a solution reflects the changing viewpoint on weed while taking into account the seriousness of the PED movement and the fact that he did technically break the rules. I see either an 8-game ban or a year-ban with eligibility to reinstatement after 8 games. Keep in mind it's also possible his argument was solid enough that he completely gets off (however unlikely). The threshold for his test was absurdly low.

I thought we already established one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Sorry but total bs. What is more important to Goodell? Arbitrary enforcement of the rule or the overall popularity and credibility of the billion dollar money making engine he is charged with growing?

at actually believing that one issue with one player has any effect whatsoever on the "overall popularity and credibility" of the NFL. Again, outside of Cleveland and hardcore FF circles, the vast majority of NFL fans neither care what happens to Josh Gordon nor even know who he is in all likelihood. Whatever happens here the NFL will be just fine, and no one will care or remember this issue two days after the ruling.

 

[Khy]

Still nothing? Sheesh they really weren't kidding when they said 1-3 weeks. I still don't understand why it takes so long.

The longer this takes the more likely I think he plays at some point this season. I think the NFL recognizes that a year ban for extremely low levels of weed is perceived as insane when Ray Rice got two games for punching out his girlfriend.

I would argue Goodell is the most acute sports commissioner when it comes to the pulse of the average sports fan, and doing whatever it takes to grow/maintain the popularity of the sport. I would be shocked if he isn't personally advising the result of this case (when it's not really his direct job to do so).

I think they are trying to come up with a solution reflects the changing viewpoint on weed while taking into account the seriousness of the PED movement and the fact that he did technically break the rules. I see either an 8-game ban or a year-ban with eligibility to reinstatement after 8 games. Keep in mind it's also possible his argument was solid enough that he completely gets off (however unlikely). The threshold for his test was absurdly low.

I thought we already established one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Sorry but total bs. What is more important to Goodell? Arbitrary enforcement of the rule or the overall popularity and credibility of the billion dollar money making engine he is charged with growing?

at actually believing that one issue with one player has any effect whatsoever on the "overall popularity and credibility" of the NFL. Again, outside of Cleveland and hardcore FF circles, the vast majority of NFL fans neither care what happens to Josh Gordon nor even know who he is in all likelihood. Whatever happens here the NFL will be just fine, and no one will care or remember this issue two days after the ruling.

Considering the Ray Rice vs Gordon thing has been discussed on about every major media outlet since Rice's 2 game suspension was announced? I don't think it's just "Cleveland and hardcore FF circles". A lot of people have a serious issue with the fact that Rice got a 2 game suspension handed down for beating his girlfriend senseless (extremely quickly compared to Gordon's might I add), while Gordon has been waiting for a few months just to find out if he'll be out for a year for smoking a bowl.

Assault and marijuana do not hold the same sentence pretty much anywhere in the states anymore, let alone would marijuana hold a harder one.

 

[LittlePhatty]

So nothing yet?

For anyone just joining in and thinking TLDR, Sabertooth has sufficiently summarized the last 80 pages.

 

[Bayhawks]

Considering the Ray Rice vs Gordon thing has been discussed on about every major media outlet since Rice's 2 game suspension was announced? I don't think it's just "Cleveland and hardcore FF circles". A lot of people have a serious issue with the fact that Rice got a 2 game suspension handed down for beating his girlfriend senseless (extremely quickly compared to Gordon's might I add), while Gordon has been waiting for a few months just to find out if he'll be out for a year for smoking a bowl.

Assault and marijuana do not hold the same sentence pretty much anywhere in the states anymore, let alone would marijuana hold a harder one.

1-I think you are overplaying the "vs Gordon" part of the discussion. Ray Rice's suspension was discussed, A LOT, right after his suspension was announced. Gordon was rarely mentioned, except in passing, and it wasn't a focus of many stories/reports that I read/heard.

2-There's not much discussion about Ray Rice's suspension any more, and we're barely 2 weeks removed. Perhaps the "two days" comment was hyperbole, but Gordon's suspension (if he receives one) compared to Rice's suspension will not seriously or permanently damage the league or it's popularity.

3-Vick was let back into the NFL after fighting & killing dogs, and while animal rights groups were pissed, the NFL remained popular. Suspending Gordon isn't going to kill the league.

4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Considering the Ray Rice vs Gordon thing has been discussed on about every major media outlet since Rice's 2 game suspension was announced? I don't think it's just "Cleveland and hardcore FF circles". A lot of people have a serious issue with the fact that Rice got a 2 game suspension handed down for beating his girlfriend senseless (extremely quickly compared to Gordon's might I add), while Gordon has been waiting for a few months just to find out if he'll be out for a year for smoking a bowl.

Assault and marijuana do not hold the same sentence pretty much anywhere in the states anymore, let alone would marijuana hold a harder one.

1-I think you are overplaying the "vs Gordon" part of the discussion. Ray Rice's suspension was discussed, A LOT, right after his suspension was announced. Gordon was rarely mentioned, except in passing, and it wasn't a focus of many stories/reports that I read/heard.2-There's not much discussion about Ray Rice's suspension any more, and we're barely 2 weeks removed. Perhaps the "two days" comment was hyperbole, but Gordon's suspension (if he receives one) compared to Rice's suspension will not seriously or permanently damage the league or it's popularity.

3-Vick was let back into the NFL after fighting & killing dogs, and while animal rights groups were pissed, the NFL remained popular. Suspending Gordon isn't going to kill the league.

4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

Obviously, Rice's suspension was way too lenient and Gordon's is likely to be way too harsh, relative to their respective incidents on a rational person's "bad stuff people do" scale. But we're not dealing with a rational "bad stuff" scale here; we're dealing with league policy as written into the CBA.

And either way, suggesting that ANY of this stuff is more than totally peripheral and pretty much meaningless to the league's bottom line or popularity is totally absurd. As mentioned above, Michael Vick was a much higher profile player than either Gordon or Rice, and his fall and redemption was just a blip on the radar in the long run.

 

[cstu]

4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

Since he played for the Browns it was like a tree falling in the woods with no one around.

I can relate because LT put up an amazing season in 2003 (1600 yards rushing and 100 receptions), led the league in yards from scrimmage and didn't even make the Pro Bowl. He finally got recognition the following year (made All Pro with a worse season) after people realized how good he was but at the time he was mostly ignored by the national media.

 

[Chaka]

You guys playing cards?

 

[Ojaays]

Considering the Ray Rice vs Gordon thing has been discussed on about every major media outlet since Rice's 2 game suspension was announced? I don't think it's just "Cleveland and hardcore FF circles". A lot of people have a serious issue with the fact that Rice got a 2 game suspension handed down for beating his girlfriend senseless (extremely quickly compared to Gordon's might I add), while Gordon has been waiting for a few months just to find out if he'll be out for a year for smoking a bowl.

Assault and marijuana do not hold the same sentence pretty much anywhere in the states anymore, let alone would marijuana hold a harder one.

1-I think you are overplaying the "vs Gordon" part of the discussion. Ray Rice's suspension was discussed, A LOT, right after his suspension was announced. Gordon was rarely mentioned, except in passing, and it wasn't a focus of many stories/reports that I read/heard.2-There's not much discussion about Ray Rice's suspension any more, and we're barely 2 weeks removed. Perhaps the "two days" comment was hyperbole, but Gordon's suspension (if he receives one) compared to Rice's suspension will not seriously or permanently damage the league or it's popularity.

3-Vick was let back into the NFL after fighting & killing dogs, and while animal rights groups were pissed, the NFL remained popular. Suspending Gordon isn't going to kill the league.

4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

This is a good post.

On your points,

1. Totally agree, and it don't think you'll find any of my posts showing any correlation of the Rice suspension having anything to do with the final decision on Gordon. The football media world will make hay with it, but that will die down quickly. The Rice decision will stand on its own quite well, as it was horrible.

I never used the Rice decision to support a lighter or no penalty for Gordon.

I have brought up Lynch and his DWI, only to point out to the masses that were screaming Gordon was toast after his .09 that it just won't matter, not at this time, and maybe never. And the same applies to his other traffic stop where he was cited for speeding, only.

I believe it's been pretty widely accepted, finally, that the only thing in play is the test he apparently failed, or maybe didn't.

Obviously, his All Star legal team put on a fairly voluminous case for the arbitrator to navigate thru, again, I made a call here that his case was "compelling", before the hearing, I'll stick with that assessment.

2. Agree again, the NFL is golden right now, and neither Rice nor Gordon will move that needle off of pegged.

3. See 2

4. This is generally true of any budding star in the league, and it's currently true of Gordon.

Gordon will be suspended, or not, depending on how the arbitrator digests the case put before him and nothing else will enter into it.

 

[Peyton Marino]

It is my understanding that Gordon's appeal was argued in front of Arbitrator, Harold Henderson, who is limited to either upholding an indefinite suspension (1 year) or overruling the suspension based upon the NFL's drug testing policies and procedures. There appears to be no middle ground for the Arbitrator.

Given the elapsed time since the hearing, it seems the Arbitrator is giving Gordon's arguments due consideration.

Based upon the limited information which has been made available through the media, however, I am doubtful the Arbitrator determines that the NFL policy is flawed such that Gordon's suspension should be overruled.

The more time that elapses without any hint of negotiations between Gordon and Commissioner Goodell, the more likely it seems the two sides, or either of them, are content to leave this matter in the hands of the Arbitrator, and, hence, a likely year-long suspension.

It's Groundhog Day!

I think the "Groundhog Day" statement has had more "Groundhog Day" occurrences in this thread than the things being called out for Groundhog Day.

So relax Ned the Head... if you dislike how the thread is recycling a lot of the same information than I implore you that the door is right at the top of the thread. Just click the Shark Pool link and then avoid clicking this one.

Completely relaxed, though it seems as if you are not. I'm in here because I like the thread, but thanks for the tip!

I AM CALM, YOU CALM DOWN

 

[yellowdog]

I have to come clean. In the leagues I don't own Gordon in, I hope he gets a full 16 game suspension and doesn't return. I think he is clearly an addict. In the league where I do own him, I hope he gets off with a slap on the wrist because this is clearly a misunderstanding. Is that possible? I'm torn!

This is the #1 post in this thread..........I like you georg013.

Right there with you, Brother georg013!

 

[GreenBaySnackers]

I really hope the suspension announcement doesn't come in by Monday. It would be so unfair for Hoyer to get his start with Gordon in and JFF to get his without him. Oh man I sure hope Gordon will be in there for MNF. Johnny Football is going to light the world on fire!!

 

[Ojaays]

From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/

 

[Soulfly3]

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4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

GO to twitter, and type in "Josh Gordon" into the search bar.

Try and count how many tweets there are mentioning his name. He's probably the top 3 trending nfl players at the moment.

If you dont think he's a household name, you're way off base.. The evidence is right there for you to have a look.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/

Would like to see more photos there. Haslam doesn't look very happy in that one.

How (funny/sad/predictable/awful) would it be if Gordon got popped again while this appeal is playing out?

 

[Phenomena]

From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/

Would like to see more photos there. Haslam doesn't look very happy in that one.

How (funny/sad/predictable/awful) would it be if Gordon got popped again while this appeal is playing out?

Oh, man. That would be epic. Like, Titus-Young-meltdown epic.

 

[Khy]

From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/

Would like to see more photos there. Haslam doesn't look very happy in that one.

How (funny/sad/predictable/awful) would it be if Gordon got popped again while this appeal is playing out?

Oh, man. That would be epic. Like, Titus-Young-meltdown epic.

Wouldn't be that shocked... alternatively. Maybe the team found some pot in his car/locker or something which would be just as amazing but we'd likely never find out.

 

[Bayhawks]

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4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

GO to twitter, and type in "Josh Gordon" into the search bar.

Try and count how many tweets there are mentioning his name. He's probably the top 3 trending nfl players at the moment.

If you dont think he's a household name, you're way off base.. The evidence is right there for you to have a look.

CASUAL fan. People who tweet about NFL, during the offseason, are not CASUAL fans.

The diehard fans (you, me, people tweeting about football in the summer) will still watch the NFL, go to games, buy the gear, etc, whether or not Gordon gets off completely, or is banned for life from the NFL. The argument that the NFL's popularity is in danger b/c of bad press due to Gordon's (possible) suspension is baseless.

 

[Soulfly3]

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4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

GO to twitter, and type in "Josh Gordon" into the search bar.

Try and count how many tweets there are mentioning his name. He's probably the top 3 trending nfl players at the moment.

If you dont think he's a household name, you're way off base.. The evidence is right there for you to have a look.

CASUAL fan. People who tweet about NFL, during the offseason, are not CASUAL fans.

The diehard fans (you, me, people tweeting about football in the summer) will still watch the NFL, go to games, buy the gear, etc, whether or not Gordon gets off completely, or is banned for life from the NFL. The argument that the NFL's popularity is in danger b/c of bad press due to Gordon's (possible) suspension is baseless.

type it into twitter.

I assure you many of them are casual fans.

 

[Khy]

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4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

GO to twitter, and type in "Josh Gordon" into the search bar.

Try and count how many tweets there are mentioning his name. He's probably the top 3 trending nfl players at the moment.

If you dont think he's a household name, you're way off base.. The evidence is right there for you to have a look.

CASUAL fan. People who tweet about NFL, during the offseason, are not CASUAL fans.

The diehard fans (you, me, people tweeting about football in the summer) will still watch the NFL, go to games, buy the gear, etc, whether or not Gordon gets off completely, or is banned for life from the NFL. The argument that the NFL's popularity is in danger b/c of bad press due to Gordon's (possible) suspension is baseless.

Okay, just so we're clear then. People who care about Josh Gordon aren't casual fans. People on Twitter talking about him aren't casual fans. The fact that he's been a top 5 trending name on Rotoworld for the past 6 months doesn't matter as well I assume because they're all hardcore people viewing him, not casual fans. The fact that you can't watch Sportscenter, PTI, <insert sports talk/radio show here> without hearing his name mentioned at least once doesn't matter either?

Please... anyone who watched ESPN for more than 20 minutes last season knows that Josh Gordon may be the most talented play in the NFL under the age of 25 right now. And anyone who has watched ESPN in the last 6 months knows more than they'd probably care to about his pending suspension.

You're acting like he's Corey Washington or something. Anyone who watches football on a semi-regular basis knows who the guy is that led the league in receiving last season. It's naive to think otherwise.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

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4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

GO to twitter, and type in "Josh Gordon" into the search bar.

Try and count how many tweets there are mentioning his name. He's probably the top 3 trending nfl players at the moment.

If you dont think he's a household name, you're way off base.. The evidence is right there for you to have a look.

CASUAL fan. People who tweet about NFL, during the offseason, are not CASUAL fans.

The diehard fans (you, me, people tweeting about football in the summer) will still watch the NFL, go to games, buy the gear, etc, whether or not Gordon gets off completely, or is banned for life from the NFL. The argument that the NFL's popularity is in danger b/c of bad press due to Gordon's (possible) suspension is baseless.

type it into twitter.

I assure you many of them are casual fans.

Maybe you should strenuously assure him.

 

[lod01]

Orlando Scandrick - 'I appeal'

NFL Front Office - 'Appeal denied, you are a bum, 4 games'.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/

Would like to see more photos there. Haslam doesn't look very happy in that one.

How (funny/sad/predictable/awful) would it be if Gordon got popped again while this appeal is playing out?

Caption this photo: Josh are you some kind of dunderhead, WTF is wrong with you ?

 

[LittlePhatty]

From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/

Nothing to see here folks.

Gordon just got confused when he heard someone say the defense was holding.

 

[Soulfly3]

Jason Pinkston ‏@JasonPinkstonOL 1m
#freeJG12

 

[Ditka Butkus]

From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/

Nothing to see here folks.

Gordon just got confused when he heard someone say the defense was holding.

Nice!

 

[IheartGuinness]

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4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

GO to twitter, and type in "Josh Gordon" into the search bar.

Try and count how many tweets there are mentioning his name. He's probably the top 3 trending nfl players at the moment.

If you dont think he's a household name, you're way off base.. The evidence is right there for you to have a look.

CASUAL fan. People who tweet about NFL, during the offseason, are not CASUAL fans.

The diehard fans (you, me, people tweeting about football in the summer) will still watch the NFL, go to games, buy the gear, etc, whether or not Gordon gets off completely, or is banned for life from the NFL. The argument that the NFL's popularity is in danger b/c of bad press due to Gordon's (possible) suspension is baseless.

This is completely true, but I think it's also a result of the market he plays in, not solely their fanaticism (or lack thereof).

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Hey some news on Josh Gordon.....oh wait never mind.

There is still no news or developments regarding Josh Gordon's appeal.

It's been eight days since Gordon's hearing ended, yet a ruling from Harold Henderson still hasn't been handed down. The reason for the delay is unknown. Owners drafting while Gordon remains in limbo can take a shot in the 10th or 11th round in the hopes the suspension is reduced to eight games.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

 

[LawFitz]

The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.

 

[damageinc]

Gordon definitely is not a household name yet. My wife and my mom & dad (both 70's) know who megatron is, they know AD , Mike Vick etc .and asked both after reading this thread and none of them knows who Josh Gordon is and I have a Josh Gordon rookie card sitting on my desk (Granted its just 3 people but its telling) . Hes on the verge with another big year but ofcourse that "may"have to wait until 2015.

 

[massraider]

Oh, he's a big enough name.

Is he a big enough name that 32 old rich guys are desperately trying to think of a way to circumvent the CBA in order to allow him to play?

No, fellas. No, he's not.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them.. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.

If this were truly a concern, the obvious solution would have been to drop the hammer harder on Rice. They DGAF. At all. Because in the end none of it matters, even a little, when it comes to the bottom line. The TV contract stays the same, the vast majority of games will still sell out, and a few people will buy Flacco jerseys instead of Rice. That's it.

 

[Bojang0301]

Even if you think Gordon should be suspended, this is ridiculous for the team, the player and the fans. The appeal should have been done a long time before it did and the decision should have already been handed down. This isn't a murder trial.

 

[cstu]

Okay, just so we're clear then. People who care about Josh Gordon aren't casual fans. People on Twitter talking about him aren't casual fans. The fact that he's been a top 5 trending name on Rotoworld for the past 6 months doesn't matter as well I assume because they're all hardcore people viewing him, not casual fans. The fact that you can't watch Sportscenter, PTI, <insert sports talk/radio show here> without hearing his name mentioned at least once doesn't matter either?

Please... anyone who watched ESPN for more than 20 minutes last season knows that Josh Gordon may be the most talented play in the NFL under the age of 25 right now. And anyone who has watched ESPN in the last 6 months knows more than they'd probably care to about his pending suspension.

You're acting like he's Corey Washington or something. Anyone who watches football on a semi-regular basis knows who the guy is that led the league in receiving last season. It's naive to think otherwise.

Nobody outside of FF was watching the Browns to see Gordon until after his 200 yard game against the Steelers. There's been more talk about suspensions in his career than his play on the field.

 

[Soulfly3]

Remember Roger was supposed to meet with Gordon LAST WEEK while he was in Ohio?

Funny how that didnt happen. Or funny that we dont know anything about it.

 

[massraider]

Even if you think Gordon should be suspended, this is ridiculous for the team, the player and the fans. The appeal should have been done a long time before it did and the decision should have already been handed down. This isn't a murder trial.

Gordon didn't file an appeal for the longest time.

Which made the process seem to take longer. The NFL can't hand down an appeal decision on an appeal that hasn't been filed.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I polled my 2 dogs, who watch football every Sunday. Neither knew who Josh Gordon was. I asked the nextdoor neighbor's dog if he knew who Josh Gordon was and she barked at me. That's a yes. Let's keep the reports flowing in guys. The plural of anecdote is data, afterall.

 

[massraider]

Remember Roger was supposed to meet with Gordon LAST WEEK while he was in Ohio?

Funny how that didnt happen. Or funny that we dont know anything about it.

Hmm, aaahh, yes. Verrrrry interesting.

If one simply reads between the lines, it all becomes very clear, doesn't it??

 

[Soulfly3]

Gordon didn't file an appeal for the longest time.

Which made the process seem to take longer. The NFL can't hand down an appeal decision on an appeal that hasn't been filed.

Im 90% sure you have 5 DAYS from the suspension being handed down to appeal.

So that's not entirely correct

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Even if you think Gordon should be suspended, this is ridiculous for the team, the player and the fans. The appeal should have been done a long time before it did and the decision should have already been handed down. This isn't a murder trial.

The only reason we even know about it right now was d/t the early leak. If people kept it confidential, as they are legally required to, we wouldn't have known anything until the hard suspension was announced post-appeal.

The only real urgency here is for FF -- as long as a decision is rendered before week one the delay doesn't have a major effect one way or another.

 

[Khy]

Even if you think Gordon should be suspended, this is ridiculous for the team, the player and the fans. The appeal should have been done a long time before it did and the decision should have already been handed down. This isn't a murder trial.

The only reason we even know about it right now was d/t the early leak. If people kept it confidential, as they are legally required to, we wouldn't have known anything until the hard suspension was announced post-appeal.

The only real urgency here is for FF -- as long as a decision is rendered before week one the delay doesn't have a major effect one way or another.

Even without the leak though, it's really not fair to the Browns organization. They have to practice and game plan as if Gordon will be there for the season and training camp/preseason is almost over already. At this point it almost feels like it's intentional, like they're just waiting until right after the Browns Week 4 preseason game to go "LOLOLOL JK! Gordon's banned for 16 games and has to apply for reinstatement next year. But he won't be able to until after your 4th preseason game next year because we waited to long on purpose just to screw him! CAUSE I'M ROGER GOODELL AND I HATE WEED MORE THAN WIFE BEATERS!"

 

[Ojaays]

Remember Roger was supposed to meet with Gordon LAST WEEK while he was in Ohio?

Funny how that didnt happen. Or funny that we dont know anything about it.

Do have a real "link" supporting that?

Some folks around here are touchy bout such things.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

CAUSE I'M ROGER GOODELL AND I HATE WEED MORE THAN WIFE BEATERS!"

No, he hates making concessions to the NFLPA without getting something back in return. From what I've read, the holdup on the recreational drug policy is the union's unwillingness to trade leniency there in return for HGH testing -- and why would the union make that trade? The only players hurt by the recreational drug policy are very few that can't stop using for a month or so every spring. I'd bet my 401K that more guys use HGH / steroids / etc. than ever get popped for weed / etc. The union's job is to do what's best for the majority of players -- not to cater to the handful of addicts / colossal dumbarses like Gordon and Blackmon.

 

[massraider]

CAUSE I'M ROGER GOODELL AND I HATE WEED MORE THAN WIFE BEATERS!"

No, he hates making concessions to the NFLPA without getting something back in return. From what I've read, the holdup on the recreational drug policy is the union's unwillingness to trade leniency there in return for HGH testing -- and why would the union make that trade? The only players hurt by the recreational drug policy are very few that can't stop using for a month or so every spring. I'd bet my 401K that more guys use HGH / steroids / etc. than ever get popped for weed / etc. The union's job is to do what's best for the majority of players -- not to cater to the handful of addicts / colossal dumbarses like Gordon and Blackmon.

Can I like something more than once?

I am pro-weed, and would prefer Gordon get no testing/suspension/arrest anything to do with weed.

But I also have a brain, and can process info, #freejoshgordon is about the dumbest thing ever. Maybe people should start using their brain, and calling out the NFLPA rather than Goodell.