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WR Josh Gordon, KC (1 Viewer)

Hairy Snowman said:
I realize I already said that I think his being away from the team will be a positive. 

Now, after watching Hard Knocks, I think that for more reasons than simply because his sobriety was in danger. 

I feel I have been watching film on Jarvis Landry and Baker Mayfield extensively.  Steps, hands, eyes, etc.  In slow motion.  Up close.  I get there is older film on Jarvis, but opposing coaches are getting some great film.  And they now know Jarvis is going to come out hot. Defenses will adjust. 

On the other hand, there is no new film on Josh Gordon other than the few games he played last year.  He had a full off-season with the team and is supposedly in freakish shape.  This isn't just an athlete though - we know he can play the position also.
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Come on man, this has to be shtick. There is no substitute to being at camp and building a rapport with your QB - especially when this is the tandem's first year together. You'll notice that a lot of the top flight WRs (Brown, Julio, OBJ, Green, Allen, Adams, Hilton, Baldwin and etc.) have had many years to establish chemistry with their QBs .The position is all about timing. Landry has a huge leg up on Gordon, will be the WR1 and garner whatever market share that entails. 

 
SameSongNDance said:
Come on man, this has to be shtick. There is no substitute to being at camp and building a rapport with your QB - especially when this is the tandem's first year together. You'll notice that a lot of the top flight WRs (Brown, Julio, OBJ, Green, Allen, Adams, Hilton, Baldwin and etc.) have had many years to establish chemistry with their QBs .The position is all about timing. Landry has a huge leg up on Gordon, will be the WR1 and garner whatever market share that entails. 
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This is indisputable. Between Landry, Njoku and the RB’s there’s also quite a few mouths to feed.  Even if he stays on the field for all 16 he won’t hit his ADP IMO

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
SameSongNDance said:
Come on man, this has to be shtick. There is no substitute to being at camp and building a rapport with your QB - especially when this is the tandem's first year together. You'll notice that a lot of the top flight WRs (Brown, Julio, OBJ, Green, Allen, Adams, Hilton, Baldwin and etc.) have had many years to establish chemistry with their QBs .The position is all about timing. Landry has a huge leg up on Gordon, will be the WR1 and garner whatever market share that entails. 
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This is indisputable. Between Landry, Njoku and the RB’s there’s also quite a few mouths to feed.  Even if he stays on the field for all 16 he won’t hit his ADP IMO
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Paging @Soulfly3

We are sorely in need of some irrational exuberance in this thread.  Tell us how he'll finish top 3 and about all the touchdowns he'll score.

 
First, you edited out the part where I talked about timing.  So let me retort. 

FIRST: "I question the timing with Tyrod on some routes initially.  BUT, I think Tyrod is a good breakdown passer.  Tyrod moves in the pocket better than most and can run outside with the ball and extend the play well.  And he doesn't turn the ball over.  I think that bodes well for the WRs and Josh Gordon. "

I think that Taylor will extend plays.  I don't think he is going to be sitting in the pocket in a traditional west coast offense.  I expect things to break down inside (more often than not) and him to be pushed outside.   
 

SameSongNDance said:
Come on man, this has to be shtick. There is no substitute to being at camp and building a rapport with your QB - especially when this is the tandem's first year together. You'll notice that a lot of the top flight WRs (Brown, Julio, OBJ, Green, Allen, Adams, Hilton, Baldwin and etc.) have had many years to establish chemistry with their QBs .The position is all about timing. Landry has a huge leg up on Gordon, will be the WR1 and garner whatever market share that entails. 
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You are talking as if Gordon and Taylor have not been working out all summer together already. 

Here is an article from when Taylor, Gordon and Landry were all working out together earlier this summer.  When Jarvis called him "unstoppable"...

I think Cleveland knows what they are doing.  I think they are both going to be really good.  And coming from behind a lot.   

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Jarvis-Landry-Josh-Gordon-is-unstoppable-for-the-Cleveland-Browns-119612875/
 

 
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SameSongNDance said:
Come on man, this has to be shtick. There is no substitute to being at camp and building a rapport with your QB - especially when this is the tandem's first year together. You'll notice that a lot of the top flight WRs (Brown, Julio, OBJ, Green, Allen, Adams, Hilton, Baldwin and etc.) have had many years to establish chemistry with their QBs .The position is all about timing. Landry has a huge leg up on Gordon, will be the WR1 and garner whatever market share that entails. 
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No, no, I get it. 

I used to have a car -  went like a bat out of helll the 1st year I had it but for the next 5 years it didn’t run. 

Beat car I ever owned. 

• never got speeding tickets.

• never got into an accident.

• crazy low mileage

• interior always clean

• tire tread always nice and new

Perfect analogy. ;)  

 
Hairy Snowman said:
First, you edited out the part where I talked about timing.  So let me retort. 

FIRST: "I question the timing with Tyrod on some routes initially.  BUT, I think Tyrod is a good breakdown passer.  Tyrod moves in the pocket better than most and can run outside with the ball and extend the play well.  And he doesn't turn the ball over.  I think that bodes well for the WRs and Josh Gordon. "

I think that Taylor will extend plays.  I don't think he is going to be sitting in the pocket in a traditional west coast offense.  I expect things to break down inside (more often than not) and him to be pushed outside.   
 

You are talking as if Gordon and Taylor have not been working out all summer together already. 

Here is an article from when Taylor, Gordon and Landry were all working out together earlier this summer.  When Taylor called the two "unstoppable"...

I think Cleveland knows what they are doing.  I think they are both going to be really good.  And coming from behind a lot.   

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Jarvis-Landry-Josh-Gordon-is-unstoppable-for-the-Cleveland-Browns-119612875/
 
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Thank you.  Wasn't quite Soulflyish, but it's a start.  UNSTOPPABLE!!!!

 
SameSongNDance said:
Come on man, this has to be shtick. There is no substitute to being at camp and building a rapport with your QB - especially when this is the tandem's first year together. You'll notice that a lot of the top flight WRs (Brown, Julio, OBJ, Green, Allen, Adams, Hilton, Baldwin and etc.) have had many years to establish chemistry with their QBs .The position is all about timing. Landry has a huge leg up on Gordon, will be the WR1 and garner whatever market share that entails. 
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The position for Gordon = go deep and beat the DB for the ball.

The timing for the QB = throw deep let Gordon beat the DB for the ball.

 
matuski said:
Landry will be the possesion/high volume WR.

Gordon will be the 3-4 deep targets/RZ WR.
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Let's assume 4 and give 3 catches because he's the greatest WR in the league ever.  That should be good for roughly 3-200-3 a week or 48-3200-48 on the year.  I'm going to temper down those numbers to 42-2800-42 because I think he has a recovery meeting on Thursdays and probably won't travel to LA.

 
BassNBrew said:
Let's assume 4 and give 3 catches because he's the greatest WR in the league ever.  That should be good for roughly 3-200-3 a week or 48-3200-48 on the year.  I'm going to temper down those numbers to 42-2800-42 because I think he has a recovery meeting on Thursdays and probably won't travel to LA.
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i have no idea what this is all about?

 
He's the ultimate boom/bust pick.  He has the talent to finish top 5 and the off-the-field judgement to be permanently banned from the league.

Only one thing can be said with any level of confidence here....Gordon playing would cap Landry's upside.  Anyone arguing otherwise likely owns Landry.  I personally chose to pass on Gordon in a real draft I had 2 nights ago but I was tempted as hell to take him in the 4th round.  He's one of the few guys drafted in the 4th round that can win you a league.  The opposite can also be said.

Comes down to risk tolerance and roster construction to me.  If you feel you went a little safe with your first 3 or 4 picks and your team needs some upside.....he's your guy.

 
Soulfly3 said:
A lot of "I heard" going on. 

Maybe hear what the people closest to him are saying
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Dude - you know the rules. I only invoked your name once. 

You're supposed to appear on the 3rd invocation - like “Bloody Mary Bloody Mary Bloody Mary!” Or Beetlejuice - that sorta thing. 

 
Sebowski said:
You and I greatly disagree with the definition of "big". 
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I am sure we greatly disagree on many things.

Soulfly gets a bad rap, people who don't like him either take magic football way too seriously or are way too...no they just take magic football way too seriously.

 
Chaka said:
I am sure we greatly disagree on many things.

Soulfly gets a bad rap, people who don't like him either take magic football way too seriously or are way too...no they just take magic football way too seriously.
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I agree - I bust his chops from time to time but he’s a good dude, and contributes as well as anyone.

we all have our mancrushes - I damn near bought a Kareem Hunt real doll last year at one point.  :shrug:

I don’t get the hate on soulfly schtick - I prefer the soulfly schtick. 

 
And now reports are that Dez signed for 1 year and 7 millionn. 

No way I’ll draft him this year now. 

**Couldn't verify on Twitter**

If Bryan does sign, I won’t touch Gordon at all. 

 
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eNdblu said:
Dez Bryant leaves Browns' visit without a contract, but talks continue

Haven't seen a thing anywhere about him signing a contract, only that he's left without one
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Still in CLE

”Dez Bryant and his agent, Kim Miale, are still reportedly talking to the Browns about a contract.

Bryant and Miale stayed in Cleveland overnight and will meet with the team again Friday afternoon. Even so, Cabot states the deal might not get done today. The Browns need a body at receiver, but Bryant's declining athleticism only mucks up Cleveland's receiving corps for fantasy once (if?) Josh Gordon returns. The Browns could potentially open Week 1 at home with Jarvis Landry, Gordon, and Bryant as their top three receivers.”

 
Even if he comes back by week 1, how much playing time will he get early in the season? Not much in my opinion. No training camp, no practice with the new quarterbacks and new offensive system and no game action with them.  Who knows if he knows the playbook and how well? 

I have NEVER seen Hard Knocks

 
The Man With No Name said:
Even if he comes back by week 1, how much playing time will he get early in the season? Not much in my opinion. No training camp, no practice with the new quarterbacks and new offensive system and no game action with them.  Who knows if he knows the playbook and how well? 

I have NEVER seen Hard Knocks
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 Practice is over Rated

- AI

 
JamieMurphy said:
Apparently he's having problems with his child support payments. Could land him in jail:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-browns-josh-gordon-facing-jail-time-doesnt-pay-child-support-153152235.html
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Yes he could end up in jail, but that usually isn't the first option. Assuming he gets back to work, we would get paid within the first two weeks of September. The custodial parent isn't going to want him to miss any games and any decent attorney can get any jail time postponed until the middle of September. He could end up in jail, but it's very very unlikely. 

 
There’s almost no chance he ends up in jail. It’s in the best interest of him, the baby momma, and the kid that he work and make bank bro. 

 
SDJohnny said:
Yes he could end up in jail, but that usually isn't the first option. Assuming he gets back to work, we would get paid within the first two weeks of September. The custodial parent isn't going to want him to miss any games and any decent attorney can get any jail time postponed until the middle of September. He could end up in jail, but it's very very unlikely. 
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Agreed. Going to jail doesn’t help him earn a paycheck and catch up on payments. It’s not going to happen.

 
So the Browns had 97 total passing yards against the Bills? Seems that would make it a little tough to get excited about any receiving option.

 
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