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WR JuJu Smith-Schuster, KC (1 Viewer)
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Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
I'm very high on him. He's talented as hell and now plays with one of the best QBs in the game. Big Ben had been cashed for awhile and Andy Reid is an offensive genius. I think he has potential to be STEAL OF THE DRAFT when everyone realizes the JuJu is the #1 in this offense where the QB will throw for 4,500 yards / 36 Touchdowns like clockwork.
Never had a significant injury and is playing on a 1-year prove it deal. If he catches 100 balls, a bag will be waiting for him at the end of this season and he knows it. Kelce will roll coverage away from him, easy peasy.
Never had a significant injury and is playing on a 1-year prove it deal. If he catches 100 balls, a bag will be waiting for him at the end of this season and he knows it. Kelce will roll coverage away from him, easy peasy.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
People ask if MVS will be the #1. MVS was a 5th Rounder and a receiver deficient Packers let him walk.
rockaction
Footballguy
Last year called. They want their alcohol blackout back from you.
He missed twelve games last year with a bum shoulder.
rockaction
Footballguy
Agree on this, though. And also with your JuJu assessment. He's likely going to be the number one WR on that team, second only to Kelce in pass catching.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
That's fair. I'll take a bum shoulder over an ACL or Achilles all day.
rockaction
Footballguy
Same here. I get what you're saying.
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
I am viewing Juju as more of a possession type wr. Someone who is likely to have a 6-9 receptions for 60 to 90 yards with perhaps a td every 2 to 3 games. I am curious as to how many think his likely outcome is higher than that?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Sticks out like a sore thumb on that 6/7 turn, Pick #72 or whatever his ADP...you might think you got a potential Flex play here, looks more like a weekly lock at WR2/3 for most who got him in the drafts.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What do you base this theory on? 2020 and 2021 are not good indicators, Small Ben was terrible but you look at 2018 when he had 111/1,426/7Td and now you have Mahomes throwing lasers to him...seems like a good fit for a WR thirsty team. Who's gonna take his lunch money on that WR squad?
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
I hear you. I don't want to get into my own teams as this is not an advice forum. But I think it is ok to say that I am playing in a non-ppr league for the first time ever (20+ years).
In PPR I have Juju ranked what I consider fairly (not extremely) high (between wr24 and wr30). But looking at him without points for receptions (and in my particular case) with a bonus for longer tds, I find myself wanting to lower his ranking a bit. Or perhaps, better said I am temped to move a few wrs up a bit to the point that I am tempted to move them above Juju.
That is my context, but in the end I am looking for exactly what you have given - comments/stats that would help me or anyone else in a non-ppr make a more informed decision.
With him being the "presumed" #2 target behind Kelce, do you see a good chance at an even higher ceiling for Juju this year than his 2018? I would guess that you believe he is likely to at least duplicate his 2018 stats? His average yards per game that year was right at 90 (my projected ceiling). But I am thinking more and more that I am off base on that.
pghrob
Footballguy
7 receptions × 17 games = 119 total.
75 yards x 17 games = 1275 yards
1 td every other game = 8.5
That looks like a top 10ish season
Banger
Footballguy
I got JuJu in my main league and I honestly don’t know what to expect. I’m hopeful and on paper I think it should work but I haven’t heard much in terms of positive buzz. He’s a bet on situation and I don’t tend to love those but there‘s not a lot of good viable options in a division where they’ll have to air it out.
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
I get the point you both make.
Although until I get used to season stats for a 17 game season, I prefer to see the totals for a 16-game season. But even then using the numbers you chose that yields (non-ppr)/1200/8 which should be worth having. The more I chew on this, the more difficult it is to imagine that JuJu fails to do 75 and .5td per game. That seems like a realistic floor. I had not wanted to talk about my personal situation but I wasn't able to avoid that completely. Rather than downgrade what I project for Juju, in the particular case where there are bonus points for longer-tds, there are 2 or 3 wrs that I had ranked below (but close to) Juju that I find myself tempted to move above him based upon that bonus. That aspect is what led me to mention "possession".
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
And right on cue, our good friend Joe (Bryant) chimes in to shower a few rain drops on the parade. (sigh)
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Has season long receptions...I hear you. I don't want to get into my own teams as this is not an advice forum. But I think it is ok to say that I am playing in a non-ppr league for the first time ever (20+ years).
In PPR I have Juju ranked what I consider fairly (not extremely) high (between wr24 and wr30). But looking at him without points for receptions (and in my particular case) with a bonus for longer tds, I find myself wanting to lower his ranking a bit. Or perhaps, better said I am temped to move a few wrs up a bit to the point that I am tempted to move them above Juju.
That is my context, but in the end I am looking for exactly what you have given - comments/stats that would help me or anyone else in a non-ppr make a more informed decision.
With him being the "presumed" #2 target behind Kelce, do you see a good chance at an even higher ceiling for Juju this year than his 2018? I would guess that you believe he is likely to at least duplicate his 2018 stats? His average yards per game that year was right at 90 (my projected ceiling). But I am thinking more and more that I am off base on that.
2017...97yds
2018...97 yds
2019...76 yds
last 2 years Small Ben was looking to him in the slot and he was limited he felt. In KC they are turning him loose in many positions including on the outside again where he has had success.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Juju can create separation.
Juju was a 1st Round Pick.
Juju signed a 1-year deal.
Juju plays with a Patrick Mahomes who's averaged 4,600 Yards / 36.5 TD the past 4 seasons.
Juju plays for a Coach whom many consider to be one of the best Offensive Coaches of all time.
Fantasy football players like familiar situations. That's why they're willing to burn the 2nd Overall pick on CMC but are too scared to ride with Juju as their WR2/WR3. How many no look passes is Juju going to catch Week 1? I feel like Juju is the second best WR that Patrick Mahomes has had since Tyreek Hill and has a clear path to lead the team in targets. Reid is going to scheme this guy wide open like a mother****er. He might catch 12 -14 Touchdowns. I just think he's a real good fit for what they're trying to do.
It's like all of my favorite WR breakout leans merged into one.
Juju was a 1st Round Pick.
Juju signed a 1-year deal.
Juju plays with a Patrick Mahomes who's averaged 4,600 Yards / 36.5 TD the past 4 seasons.
Juju plays for a Coach whom many consider to be one of the best Offensive Coaches of all time.
Fantasy football players like familiar situations. That's why they're willing to burn the 2nd Overall pick on CMC but are too scared to ride with Juju as their WR2/WR3. How many no look passes is Juju going to catch Week 1? I feel like Juju is the second best WR that Patrick Mahomes has had since Tyreek Hill and has a clear path to lead the team in targets. Reid is going to scheme this guy wide open like a mother****er. He might catch 12 -14 Touchdowns. I just think he's a real good fit for what they're trying to do.
It's like all of my favorite WR breakout leans merged into one.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Juju was a late 2nd round pick.
Deamon
Footballguy
cdclopper
Footballguy
Favorite new toy, you say?
ZADO
Footballguy
Dont go all Beavis and Butthead on me
grateful zed
Footballguy
my gut juju will impress, if health.
and ive had a good track record.
and ive had a good track record.
ZADO
Footballguy
Watching numerous highlights and interviews and this practice footage ,im on record saying JU JU ends up with WR 1 numbers in this KC offense
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chad in Indy
Footballguy
Idk. I think Hill's departure doesn't mean JuJu will get the lionshare of those targets. JuJu couldn't even be the #1 in Pitt. Now he has a better TE to compete with and no other receivers to occupy the #1 corner. With Hill gone, defenses can roll move coverage to Kelce. I don't think JuJu has proven himself to beat top corners consistently.
Tau837
Footballguy
Across all positions in 2021, there were just 5 players who averaged 75 receiving yards and 0.5 TDs per game:
WR Kupp
WR Adams
WR Jefferson
WR Chase
TE Andrews
"Floor" means the lowest stat line we could reasonably see. Even ignoring injuries as a possible reason, no way that is Juju's floor.
Marauder
Footballguy
Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure Deebo averaged that (combined Rush/Rec).
Tau837
Footballguy
Yes, he did, for combined rushing and receiving. That is not particularly relevant when discussing Juju, who isn't going to have a rushing role.
But, fine... include him and it's 6 guys. That doesn't change the point.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
He seems to be the Guy where I’m most apart from “experts”
universal ho-hum feel from most podcast guys but I trust his talent as long as that knee is ok
universal ho-hum feel from most podcast guys but I trust his talent as long as that knee is ok
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
Ok you two... let's try to keep the personal medical info out of this. (sorry, I could not resist the need to insert bad humor).
Humor aside, the starting gun has sounded and I we should start to have an idea of how Juju will perform within a few weeks. I wish I had a stake but my drafts played out differently.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
He started off terrific and then had the fumble and the game was out of hand and Mahomes really started to spread the ball around. I'm pretty excited at his prospects to be the #1 WR in the offense (not counting Kelce of course). Could be a very solid pick but not sure how much end zone work he'll get.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Might well see my lineup over Lamb next week.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Non existent
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I clicked on read last unread post. “Awesome value, wr1, hell yeah boys” and scrolled down to “just flat out sucks and awful” lol good times
TZMarkie
Footballguy
All the guys in my leagues that own JuJu are griping.
I remember one of the guys in my leagues telling me pre-draft that "I'm trying to get JuJu everywhere, he's going to be a Tyreek Hill light ".
Well, there's "light".....and there's just "IN A COMA".
Glad I avoided this train wreck, which is surprising since I play in start 3WR leagues. I figured for sure he would end up in one of my WR stables somewhere.
He kept getting sniped right before me in drafts.
Sometimes the fantasy gods help you in ways you don't realize.
I don't know what you could realistically get for JuJu in trade right now, but pennies on the dollar might be a bargain.
I remember one of the guys in my leagues telling me pre-draft that "I'm trying to get JuJu everywhere, he's going to be a Tyreek Hill light ".
Well, there's "light".....and there's just "IN A COMA".
Glad I avoided this train wreck, which is surprising since I play in start 3WR leagues. I figured for sure he would end up in one of my WR stables somewhere.
He kept getting sniped right before me in drafts.
Sometimes the fantasy gods help you in ways you don't realize.
I don't know what you could realistically get for JuJu in trade right now, but pennies on the dollar might be a bargain.
