WR Malik Nabers, NYG (2 Viewers)

[dkp993]

He’s had this issue since college so it’s nothing new

The shoulder injury is, in fact, new.

The toe is nagging but he seems to be able to manage it.

Either way, I’m not questioning keeping him for $25 (or $35) at all.

Sorry, yes you are correct on the shoulder, it’s minor so not even on my radar so wasn’t thinking about that in my response.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

In a 2 keeper league, he’s an option for me @ 25$ of 250$ auction budget. I was already on the fence due to the toe injury. But this can’t be good, right?! When you only get 2 keepers, it’s pretty to tough keep one that’s not healthy to begin with.

There’s the talent / risk graph. Nabers is way high on the talent axis, so I’d probably still keep him for $25

What’s he go for if you throw him back? $40? More?

I’m keeping him for $35 in my long running ultra competitive league with a $200 budget, and not even thinking twice about doing it. He’s had this issue since college so it’s nothing new. If he got thrown back into the pool in my league he’s easily a $55+ guy. At $35 there is still a bunch of value.

I hear you guys, but it’s a toe injury that needs to be “managed”. I’ve been doing this hobby way too long to ignore injuries like this. I was on the same page last season when I passed on C McCaffery with his Achilles injury at the 1 spot. There weren’t too many people applauding my move at the time. But that’s ok, I tend to try zig when the rest tries to zag. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.

 

[darksideofoz]

In a 2 keeper league, he’s an option for me @ 25$ of 250$ auction budget. I was already on the fence due to the toe injury. But this can’t be good, right?! When you only get 2 keepers, it’s pretty to tough keep one that’s not healthy to begin with.

There’s the talent / risk graph. Nabers is way high on the talent axis, so I’d probably still keep him for $25

What’s he go for if you throw him back? $40? More?

I’m keeping him for $35 in my long running ultra competitive league with a $200 budget, and not even thinking twice about doing it. He’s had this issue since college so it’s nothing new. If he got thrown back into the pool in my league he’s easily a $55+ guy. At $35 there is still a bunch of value.

I hear you guys, but it’s a toe injury that needs to be “managed”. I’ve been doing this hobby way too long to ignore injuries like this. I was on the same page last season when I passed on C McCaffery with his Achilles injury at the 1 spot. There weren’t too many people applauding my move at the time. But that’s ok, I tend to try zig when the rest tries to zag. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.

has he ever missed any time for the toe injury that he's been managing for years? pretty sure he hasn't.

this seems like the opposite of putting lipstick on a pig. trying to put warts on the strawberry festival queen.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In a 2 keeper league, he’s an option for me @ 25$ of 250$ auction budget. I was already on the fence due to the toe injury. But this can’t be good, right?! When you only get 2 keepers, it’s pretty to tough keep one that’s not healthy to begin with.

There’s the talent / risk graph. Nabers is way high on the talent axis, so I’d probably still keep him for $25

What’s he go for if you throw him back? $40? More?

I’m keeping him for $35 in my long running ultra competitive league with a $200 budget, and not even thinking twice about doing it. He’s had this issue since college so it’s nothing new. If he got thrown back into the pool in my league he’s easily a $55+ guy. At $35 there is still a bunch of value.

I hear you guys, but it’s a toe injury that needs to be “managed”. I’ve been doing this hobby way too long to ignore injuries like this. I was on the same page last season when I passed on C McCaffery with his Achilles injury at the 1 spot. There weren’t too many people applauding my move at the time. But that’s ok, I tend to try zig when the rest tries to zag. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.

has he ever missed any time for the toe injury that he's been managing for years? pretty sure he hasn't.

this seems like the opposite of putting lipstick on a pig. trying to put warts on the strawberry festival queen.

Eh, I mean if he and the Giants didn’t constantly talk about it, I’d be a lot less concerned.

To my knowledge, he has never missed a game because of it.

But that doesn’t mean he never will. Foot injuries can be tricky.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

In a 2 keeper league, he’s an option for me @ 25$ of 250$ auction budget. I was already on the fence due to the toe injury. But this can’t be good, right?! When you only get 2 keepers, it’s pretty to tough keep one that’s not healthy to begin with.

There’s the talent / risk graph. Nabers is way high on the talent axis, so I’d probably still keep him for $25

What’s he go for if you throw him back? $40? More?

I’m keeping him for $35 in my long running ultra competitive league with a $200 budget, and not even thinking twice about doing it. He’s had this issue since college so it’s nothing new. If he got thrown back into the pool in my league he’s easily a $55+ guy. At $35 there is still a bunch of value.

I hear you guys, but it’s a toe injury that needs to be “managed”. I’ve been doing this hobby way too long to ignore injuries like this. I was on the same page last season when I passed on C McCaffery with his Achilles injury at the 1 spot. There weren’t too many people applauding my move at the time. But that’s ok, I tend to try zig when the rest tries to zag. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.

has he ever missed any time for the toe injury that he's been managing for years? pretty sure he hasn't.

this seems like the opposite of putting lipstick on a pig. trying to put warts on the strawberry festival queen.

Like I said up thread, I have almost 3 weeks to decide this. But I rarely keep injured players. You are allowed to disagree, that’s fine.

 

[dkp993]

In a 2 keeper league, he’s an option for me @ 25$ of 250$ auction budget. I was already on the fence due to the toe injury. But this can’t be good, right?! When you only get 2 keepers, it’s pretty to tough keep one that’s not healthy to begin with.

There’s the talent / risk graph. Nabers is way high on the talent axis, so I’d probably still keep him for $25

What’s he go for if you throw him back? $40? More?

I’m keeping him for $35 in my long running ultra competitive league with a $200 budget, and not even thinking twice about doing it. He’s had this issue since college so it’s nothing new. If he got thrown back into the pool in my league he’s easily a $55+ guy. At $35 there is still a bunch of value.

I hear you guys, but it’s a toe injury that needs to be “managed”. I’ve been doing this hobby way too long to ignore injuries like this. I was on the same page last season when I passed on C McCaffery with his Achilles injury at the 1 spot. There weren’t too many people applauding my move at the time. But that’s ok, I tend to try zig when the rest tries to zag. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.

has he ever missed any time for the toe injury that he's been managing for years? pretty sure he hasn't.

this seems like the opposite of putting lipstick on a pig. trying to put warts on the strawberry festival queen.

Like I said up thread, I have almost 3 weeks to decide this. But I rarely keep injured players. You are allowed to disagree, that’s fine.

Since when? We all must agree, it’s in the bylaws.

 

[Faust]

Ryan Clark
Malik Nabers isn’t focused on the numbers. Even when Jameis Winston presses him. Nabers just wants to be the best, & that’s the sense of urgency he works with daily.

He pays attention to every detail, & searches for ways to improve. He’s in constant conversation with @DangeRussWilson & Jameis is always ear hustling. Nabers is a baller that has drawn comparisons to fellow Tiger @Real10jayy__ they say in the Boot that’s #WRTS !

@ThePivot X @Jaboowins

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[jm192]

Dude is obviously special. As long as he's healthy, he'll see a million balls again. If I'm drafting today, I've probably got him at WR5 or 6. I really struggle separating Puka, ARSB, and Nabers. I think Nabers has the highest upside, but if the toe thing is going to linger all year, I do think that's a part of the discussion.

We're talking 1st round picks here. You're literally looking for a reason to nitpick between ELITE players.

 

[darksideofoz]

Dude is obviously special. As long as he's healthy, he'll see a million balls again. If I'm drafting today, I've probably got him at WR5 or 6. I really struggle separating Puka, ARSB, and Nabers. I think Nabers has the highest upside, but if the toe thing is going to linger all year, I do think that's a part of the discussion.

We're talking 1st round picks here. You're literally looking for a reason to nitpick between ELITE players.

the toe thing will linger all year. just like it has for the last few years.

 

[jm192]

Dude is obviously special. As long as he's healthy, he'll see a million balls again. If I'm drafting today, I've probably got him at WR5 or 6. I really struggle separating Puka, ARSB, and Nabers. I think Nabers has the highest upside, but if the toe thing is going to linger all year, I do think that's a part of the discussion.

We're talking 1st round picks here. You're literally looking for a reason to nitpick between ELITE players.

the toe thing will linger all year. just like it has for the last few years.

And maybe that's the way to look at it.

If it's never caused him to miss a game, maybe it never will. But everyone that stopped playing through a minor injury got through it until they couldn't.

 

[darksideofoz]

Dude is obviously special. As long as he's healthy, he'll see a million balls again. If I'm drafting today, I've probably got him at WR5 or 6. I really struggle separating Puka, ARSB, and Nabers. I think Nabers has the highest upside, but if the toe thing is going to linger all year, I do think that's a part of the discussion.

We're talking 1st round picks here. You're literally looking for a reason to nitpick between ELITE players.

the toe thing will linger all year. just like it has for the last few years.

And maybe that's the way to look at it.

If it's never caused him to miss a game, maybe it never will. But everyone that stopped playing through a minor injury got through it until they couldn't.

that is how I have chosen to deal with it. due to keeper restraints I have him on my taxi squad and have since week 14 last season. I've been paying attention to this toe thing a lot since last year and I've decided that I won't let it change my plans or outlook until it functionally affects his play or availability.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Dude is obviously special. As long as he's healthy, he'll see a million balls again. If I'm drafting today, I've probably got him at WR5 or 6. I really struggle separating Puka, ARSB, and Nabers. I think Nabers has the highest upside, but if the toe thing is going to linger all year, I do think that's a part of the discussion.

We're talking 1st round picks here. You're literally looking for a reason to nitpick between ELITE players.

Agree. The toe was an issue last year the same it is this year for what it is worth.

 

[dkp993]

Dude is obviously special. As long as he's healthy, he'll see a million balls again. If I'm drafting today, I've probably got him at WR5 or 6. I really struggle separating Puka, ARSB, and Nabers. I think Nabers has the highest upside, but if the toe thing is going to linger all year, I do think that's a part of the discussion.

We're talking 1st round picks here. You're literally looking for a reason to nitpick between ELITE players.

Agree. The toe was an issue last year the same it is this year for what it is worth.

With an injury like this… if it were merely a good or solid player, it’s enough to have me looking at the equivalent player. It’s a tie breaker against is I guess what I’m saying. But with a truly special player like Nabers, I don’t let it sway me too much. There is simply too high of an upside that I don’t want to miss out on.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect those who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect hose who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Pretty much everything you say was true last year, or worse, and he still put up numbers. You don't think teams accounted for him last year?

 

[dkp993]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect hose who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Pretty much everything you say was true last year, or worse, and he still put up numbers. You don't think teams accounted for him last year?

And QB situation was far worse. Russ can still throw the deep ball and knows his only shot is through Nabers. But let’s say he’s washed. Then it’s Jameis.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect hose who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Pretty much everything you say was true last year, or worse, and he still put up numbers. You don't think teams accounted for him last year?

And QB situation was far worse. Russ can still throw the deep ball and knows his only shot is through Nabers. But let’s say he’s washed. Then it’s Jameis.

To both of you that read my post, "I respect those who do decide to take him"
He just won't be on my team at this price.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect those who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Yeah...I've been trying to figure this one out as well.

Brian Thomas Jr. who had his own unstable situation at QB/HC last year quite frankly had as good a rookie year. I mean, Brock Bowers did as well.

And yes...Travis Hunter does pose better competition for targets but with Liam Coen in place, there is a cancel out factor there. And IMO, if Nabors' is getting 11+ targets/game, things have gone badly in NY, which isn't off the table, but I would think Russell Wilson won't be the Malik funnel the QB's on NYG were last year. And the 590 pass attempts NYG had last year...again, that seems/feels far-fetched.

I don't think he busts at all. But he feels much more 2nd roundy to me.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect those who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Yeah...I've been trying to figure this one out as well.

Brian Thomas Jr. who had his own unstable situation at QB/HC last year quite frankly had as good a rookie year. I mean, Brock Bowers did as well.

And yes...Travis Hunter does pose better competition for targets but with Liam Coen in place, there is a cancel out factor there. And IMO, if Nabors' is getting 11+ targets/game, things have gone badly in NY, which isn't off the table, but I would think Russell Wilson won't be the Malik funnel the QB's on NYG were last year. And the 590 pass attempts NYG had last year...again, that seems/feels far-fetched.

I don't think he busts at all. But he feels much more 2nd roundy to me.

I am a huge fan of Nabers' talent and Nabers as a dynasty asset but I agree with a lot of this. There is a lot of room for his targets per game to drop. Even if the quality of target increases a little Russ isn't one to forcefeed one guy and it's likely the Giants don't repeat 600 pass attempts.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect those who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Yeah...I've been trying to figure this one out as well.

Brian Thomas Jr. who had his own unstable situation at QB/HC last year quite frankly had as good a rookie year. I mean, Brock Bowers did as well.

And yes...Travis Hunter does pose better competition for targets but with Liam Coen in place, there is a cancel out factor there. And IMO, if Nabors' is getting 11+ targets/game, things have gone badly in NY, which isn't off the table, but I would think Russell Wilson won't be the Malik funnel the QB's on NYG were last year. And the 590 pass attempts NYG had last year...again, that seems/feels far-fetched.

I don't think he busts at all. But he feels much more 2nd roundy to me.

I am a huge fan of Nabers' talent and Nabers as a dynasty asset but I agree with a lot of this. There is a lot of room for his targets per game to drop. Even if the quality of target increases a little Russ isn't one to forcefeed one guy and it's likely the Giants don't repeat 600 pass attempts.

To be fair, Russ has never played with a WR as talented as Malik Nabers, nowhere close. Nabers is open, always. Easy guy to throw to. I suspect the percentage of passes going to Nabers far surpasses anything we've seen with Russ in his career.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect hose who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Pretty much everything you say was true last year, or worse, and he still put up numbers. You don't think teams accounted for him last year?

And QB situation was far worse. Russ can still throw the deep ball and knows his only shot is through Nabers. But let’s say he’s washed. Then it’s Jameis.

To both of you that read my post, "I respect those who do decide to take him"
He just won't be on my team at this price.

I don't think anyone is arguing with your decision to have him on your DND list at his current price, anyone can respect that decision, they're just saying your arguments for doing so are flawed. Reverting to "I won't draft him at this price" instead of addressing your flawed arguments is weak sauce.

You say others in his range are safer, I say who? There are real arguments against anyone at this level in the draft, and even the guys who are "can't miss" above MN can easily miss based on a variety of factors.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect hose who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Pretty much everything you say was true last year, or worse, and he still put up numbers. You don't think teams accounted for him last year?

And QB situation was far worse. Russ can still throw the deep ball and knows his only shot is through Nabers. But let’s say he’s washed. Then it’s Jameis.

To both of you that read my post, "I respect those who do decide to take him"
He just won't be on my team at this price.

I don't think anyone is arguing with your decision to have him on your DND list at his current price, anyone can respect that decision, they're just saying your arguments for doing so are flawed. Reverting to "I won't draft him at this price" instead of addressing your flawed arguments is weak sauce.

You say others in his range are safer, I say who? There are real arguments against anyone at this level in the draft, and even the guys who are "can't miss" above MN can easily miss based on a variety of factors.

Hey Jacob, thanks for taking the time to post back
Maybe you're right, maybe I do have a blind spot

170 targets last year, just seems super high for an 11 yds per catch rate
I understand and again respect that others are excited to get him after the big names come off the board
Maybe Nabers is a big name as well, I want to see Year 2 before i go and commit a 1st round pick on him

If his ADP is 12th overall which I just looked it up, not sure how accurate that is, i thought he was going 7th/8th overall
In a 10-team redraft i can see pairing him with another high expectation WR on the turn to try and have an explosive 1-2 punch
I'm not excited about Russ in New York, others seem to think he will do rather well there

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect those who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Yeah...I've been trying to figure this one out as well.

Brian Thomas Jr. who had his own unstable situation at QB/HC last year quite frankly had as good a rookie year. I mean, Brock Bowers did as well.

And yes...Travis Hunter does pose better competition for targets but with Liam Coen in place, there is a cancel out factor there. And IMO, if Nabors' is getting 11+ targets/game, things have gone badly in NY, which isn't off the table, but I would think Russell Wilson won't be the Malik funnel the QB's on NYG were last year. And the 590 pass attempts NYG had last year...again, that seems/feels far-fetched.

I don't think he busts at all. But he feels much more 2nd roundy to me.

I am a huge fan of Nabers' talent and Nabers as a dynasty asset but I agree with a lot of this. There is a lot of room for his targets per game to drop. Even if the quality of target increases a little Russ isn't one to forcefeed one guy and it's likely the Giants don't repeat 600 pass attempts.

To be fair, Russ has never played with a WR as talented as Malik Nabers, nowhere close. Nabers is open, always. Easy guy to throw to. I suspect the percentage of passes going to Nabers far surpasses anything we've seen with Russ in his career.

I think everyone loves the talent, but a 33% target share doesn't have much room for growth no matter who the QB is.

...and the scenarios by which Russ isn't the QB later in the year are quite tangible and if we're seeing Jaxson Dart, well, that feels like a crap shoot in terms of who he is once he hits the field.

 

[dkp993]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect hose who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Pretty much everything you say was true last year, or worse, and he still put up numbers. You don't think teams accounted for him last year?

And QB situation was far worse. Russ can still throw the deep ball and knows his only shot is through Nabers. But let’s say he’s washed. Then it’s Jameis.

To both of you that read my post, "I respect those who do decide to take him"
He just won't be on my team at this price.

I don't think anyone is arguing with your decision to have him on your DND list at his current price, anyone can respect that decision, they're just saying your arguments for doing so are flawed. Reverting to "I won't draft him at this price" instead of addressing your flawed arguments is weak sauce.

You say others in his range are safer, I say who? There are real arguments against anyone at this level in the draft, and even the guys who are "can't miss" above MN can easily miss based on a variety of factors.

Hey Jacob, thanks for taking the time to post back
Maybe you're right, maybe I do have a blind spot

170 targets last year, just seems super high for an 11 yds per catch rate
I understand and again respect that others are excited to get him after the big names come off the board
Maybe Nabers is a big name as well, I want to see Year 2 before i go and commit a 1st round pick on him

If his ADP is 12th overall which I just looked it up, not sure how accurate that is, i thought he was going 7th/8th overall
In a 10-team redraft i can see pairing him with another high expectation WR on the turn to try and have an explosive 1-2 punch
I'm not excited about Russ in New York, others seem to think he will do rather well there

MoP- for clarity, my response/s are not to counterpoint your personal decision, that’s yours and your alone, it’s to provide thoughts for others who are are reading this. With that said.

2 overriding factors for me are.
1. He passes the “eye test”. Yes it’s a completely subjective argument but the guys who do it at a different level, to me at least, always seem to look the part. JJ, Chase, Moss, etc etc just looks special playing. Nabers absolutely falls into this category for me. He jumped off the screen watching him.

2. I am not a believer that Russ will do well. But despite this he’s still an upgrade over what they threw out there last year, which speaks volumes to me.

 

[pinkstapler]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect hose who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Pretty much everything you say was true last year, or worse, and he still put up numbers. You don't think teams accounted for him last year?

And QB situation was far worse. Russ can still throw the deep ball and knows his only shot is through Nabers. But let’s say he’s washed. Then it’s Jameis.

To both of you that read my post, "I respect those who do decide to take him"
He just won't be on my team at this price.

I don't think anyone is arguing with your decision to have him on your DND list at his current price, anyone can respect that decision, they're just saying your arguments for doing so are flawed. Reverting to "I won't draft him at this price" instead of addressing your flawed arguments is weak sauce.

You say others in his range are safer, I say who? There are real arguments against anyone at this level in the draft, and even the guys who are "can't miss" above MN can easily miss based on a variety of factors.

Hey Jacob, thanks for taking the time to post back
Maybe you're right, maybe I do have a blind spot

170 targets last year, just seems super high for an 11 yds per catch rate
I understand and again respect that others are excited to get him after the big names come off the board
Maybe Nabers is a big name as well, I want to see Year 2 before i go and commit a 1st round pick on him

If his ADP is 12th overall which I just looked it up, not sure how accurate that is, i thought he was going 7th/8th overall
In a 10-team redraft i can see pairing him with another high expectation WR on the turn to try and have an explosive 1-2 punch
I'm not excited about Russ in New York, others seem to think he will do rather well there

I wouldn't say I'm excited about Russ per se; but I do think he showed enough on the Steelers last year to definitely be considered an upgrade for them. I still believe Arthur Smith got his panties in a bunch from Russ changing plays at the line the first few games (when he/the team was at it's best IMO), and reigning him in to stop doing that was when his performance seemed to plateau/decline a bit.

How that translates to Nabers, I'm not fully decided. I'd put my money on fewer targets where it sounds like you are as well, but I think the value of those targets increases enough to make it come out a wash. A few more TDS and some easier YAC I think should balance out a few less looks a game. Not to mention, looking from a broader scope; a lot of times what knocks some fantasy players down a few pegs each year are incoming rookies/ascending second year players. I don't think there are any incoming rookies outside Tet who will even challenge finishing top 20, and most of the second year players already finished as WR1s/high end WR2s last year haha. Not a ton of room for them to keep going up tbh.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect hose who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Pretty much everything you say was true last year, or worse, and he still put up numbers. You don't think teams accounted for him last year?

And QB situation was far worse. Russ can still throw the deep ball and knows his only shot is through Nabers. But let’s say he’s washed. Then it’s Jameis.

To both of you that read my post, "I respect those who do decide to take him"
He just won't be on my team at this price.

I don't think anyone is arguing with your decision to have him on your DND list at his current price, anyone can respect that decision, they're just saying your arguments for doing so are flawed. Reverting to "I won't draft him at this price" instead of addressing your flawed arguments is weak sauce.

You say others in his range are safer, I say who? There are real arguments against anyone at this level in the draft, and even the guys who are "can't miss" above MN can easily miss based on a variety of factors.

Hey Jacob, thanks for taking the time to post back
Maybe you're right, maybe I do have a blind spot

170 targets last year, just seems super high for an 11 yds per catch rate
I understand and again respect that others are excited to get him after the big names come off the board
Maybe Nabers is a big name as well, I want to see Year 2 before i go and commit a 1st round pick on him

If his ADP is 12th overall which I just looked it up, not sure how accurate that is, i thought he was going 7th/8th overall
In a 10-team redraft i can see pairing him with another high expectation WR on the turn to try and have an explosive 1-2 punch
I'm not excited about Russ in New York, others seem to think he will do rather well there

I watched most of his games. The numbers are deceiving. The quality of his targets was putrid. His talent jumped off the page at me and any of the 3 QBs currently on the roster are a huge upgrade compared to what he had to play with last year. I doubt he'll see so many targets again, but I'd be willing to bet my left arm his yards per catch will increase dramatically. If you watch the tape, he wins and he wins big on most every route. If he had a competent QB last year, his numbers would look more like Justin Jefferson's rookie year. He's that good, maybe better. We're just scratching the surface with him.

Now, what I will say about him which is my only real red flag. Watching him so closely, he always seemed to be nicked. Between games nursing injuries, questionable tags, looking dinged getting up play after play, whatever. That worries me a bit but I remember another receiver I felt the exact same about for many years until I finally admitted defeat - Mike Evans.

Nabers WAS the offense last year. He was the focus of every D. He beat every coverage, and he beat it bad. He was open in ways that made bad QBs pull the trigger. No small windows. Massive picture windows to throw through. His talent is undeniable. He has the potential to be the #1 WR in the league for the next 5 seasons. I feel this way about very few guys in the NFL. No one in this range is "safe," so give me upside all day every day. Chase, JJ, Nabers, Nico, BTJ and maybe CeeDee.

The way you're talking about Nabers is the way I talk about guys like MHjr, Odunze, Pearsall, etc. These guys need to prove it. Nabers has proven it.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Redraft '25- He's being drafted at the very top end and I don't understand why he isn't dinged a bit for the Giants, Russ, possible lame duck coach, spotty talent around him
There's safer people to put on your roster, availability should also count. He started 13 games as a rookie, I can do the math based on what he produced but I also think teams will account for him more than any other player on that offense which is going to inhibit his ability to be wide open all the time.

This is a 1st round pick that feels like pure gambling and wanting to try and catch the folks who already took JJ and Chase.
High risk, possible high reward but no sure thing. I respect those who do decide to take him, I just think you might be in here on Sundays complaining more often than you think
Good Luck!

Yeah...I've been trying to figure this one out as well.

Brian Thomas Jr. who had his own unstable situation at QB/HC last year quite frankly had as good a rookie year. I mean, Brock Bowers did as well.

And yes...Travis Hunter does pose better competition for targets but with Liam Coen in place, there is a cancel out factor there. And IMO, if Nabors' is getting 11+ targets/game, things have gone badly in NY, which isn't off the table, but I would think Russell Wilson won't be the Malik funnel the QB's on NYG were last year. And the 590 pass attempts NYG had last year...again, that seems/feels far-fetched.

I don't think he busts at all. But he feels much more 2nd roundy to me.

I am a huge fan of Nabers' talent and Nabers as a dynasty asset but I agree with a lot of this. There is a lot of room for his targets per game to drop. Even if the quality of target increases a little Russ isn't one to forcefeed one guy and it's likely the Giants don't repeat 600 pass attempts.

To be fair, Russ has never played with a WR as talented as Malik Nabers, nowhere close. Nabers is open, always. Easy guy to throw to. I suspect the percentage of passes going to Nabers far surpasses anything we've seen with Russ in his career.

I think everyone loves the talent, but a 33% target share doesn't have much room for growth no matter who the QB is.

...and the scenarios by which Russ isn't the QB later in the year are quite tangible and if we're seeing Jaxson Dart, well, that feels like a crap shoot in terms of who he is once he hits the field.

Target share may stay flat at best, I agree targets will likely go down but Nabers is considerably more explosive than 11 yards per reception. He was missed or ignored on so many great routes past the 15 yard range last season. He's WIDE open on many plays. They used him underneath because Jones, Cutlets and Lock simply couldn't or wouldn't push the ball downfield. Nabers looks like a genetic mashup of Jefferson, Chase and Lamb all smooshed into one.

 

[Faust]

Connor Hughes
Malik Nabers is just absurd. Long gain from the slot on Phillips. It’s to the point where whenever the ball is in the air, in his direction, you know he’s going to catch it. Every day he’s doing this.

He’s so eerily similar to Ja’Marr Chase it’s scary. #Giants

https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1952384182572696046?s=61

 

[Faust]

Hayden Winks
Malik Nabers is going to feast if he's healthy, but I can't say I love that he needs to walk over to the trainers at the end of every training camp practice for an injury that he's had for years.

If he played RB, fantasy community would be in a full-blown panic.

https://x.com/haydenwinks/status/1953119973213094207?s=61

 

[Faust]

Connor Hughes
These last couple periods have cemented how important Malik Nabers is to the #Giants passing attack. They’re borderline inept without him.

Slayton also not practicing.

https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1953119802148479269?s=61

 

[Terpman22]

For those concerned about Nabers' YPC last year, keep in mind Daniel Jones is one of the most risk averse QBs in the entire NFL since he came into the league, I recall him always being ranked in the high 20's, low 30s (lol of 32 teams) for ADOT.

Russ, as mentioned both has never had a WR like this before AND he also throws a very pretty deep ball.

I think we will see a new side of Nabers unlocked this year, and maybe crazy, but what he did last year as a floor and ceiling being WR1 overall in FF

 

[Faust]

Giants' Malik Nabers: Reduced practice reps 'part of the plan'

 

[Faust]

Pat Leonard
#Giants head coach Brian Daboll says Malik Nabers is NOT practicing again today vs the #Jets. Won’t answer whether Nabers requires additional tests on the toe at this point. Also not practicing: Jalin Hyatt, Dru Phillips, Cam Skattebo, Evan Neal, Da’Quan Felton, Tre Hawkins

https://x.com/pleonardnydn/status/1955263423324856450?s=61

Connor Hughes
Malik Nabers not practicing is VERY noteworthy.

He was practicing fully, came out, then did not return. Said after that practice (8/6) it was part of the plan and he was fine.

Nabers has not worked since ...

https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1955265336040689713?s=61

 

[King of the Jungle]

This was an issue last year, but seems to be more of a bother this off-season. Frustrating…

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

If this continues it could make Nabers the steal of your draft, or a 2nd round team killer. His talent is undeniable, but color me concerned.

 

[creepythinman]

When the Giants are 3 - 10, how much more likely is it that Nabers calls it a season and finally gets surgery to take care of this thing? Because it doesn't seem to be getting better.

 

[rockaction]

When the Giants are 3 - 10, how much more likely is it that Nabers calls it a season and finally gets surgery to take care of this thing? Because it doesn't seem to be getting better.

Is surgery even that good of an option with turf toe? I roster him in dynasty on a snakebitten team. Oh wow does this ever stink. Turf toe is one of those injuries that can ruin a career.

 

[King of the Jungle]

When the Giants are 3 - 10, how much more likely is it that Nabers calls it a season and finally gets surgery to take care of this thing? Because it doesn't seem to be getting better.

Is surgery even that good of an option with turf toe? I roster him in dynasty on a snakebitten team. Oh wow does this ever stink. Turf toe is one of those injuries that can ruin a career.

Is turf toe the official issue?

 

[rockaction]

When the Giants are 3 - 10, how much more likely is it that Nabers calls it a season and finally gets surgery to take care of this thing? Because it doesn't seem to be getting better.

Is surgery even that good of an option with turf toe? I roster him in dynasty on a snakebitten team. Oh wow does this ever stink. Turf toe is one of those injuries that can ruin a career.

Is turf toe the official issue?

It's speculative. AI (several of them) are saying that. Then there's a doctor on X. Then there's another source. I think the Giants are just reluctant to say it. I'll try and confirm.

eta* I cannot confirm it, but a bunch of people are saying it. That might mean they're jumping to conclusions. There seems to be an assumption being made.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I don't really understand the twitter doc turf toe diagnosis. Turf toe in its least severe forms can still be debilitating for athletes playing skill positions, and in it's most severe forms it can require surgery and lengthy recovery times. Going on what Nabers himself has stated, he's been dealing with this for years. I would find it hard to believe he's able to do what he does with that type of injury, and remember, turf toe is just that, an injury. It's a sprain of the big toe. If he had a mild sprain of his big toe and played with it, I suppose that's possible, but it doesn't explain why it hasn't healed in the offseason. It's also possible he's predisposed to a turf toe injury and keeps reinjuring, and the Giants turf amplifies the issue, but if that's the case I'm not sure how surgery would help and I find it hard to believe he keeps torching DBs (in college and the NFL) while injured. He never misses time. Maybe a medical expert could chime in?

 

[darksideofoz]

Could just cut the toe off

 

[Grahamburn]

You want a toe? I can get you a toe today. With nail polish.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Could just cut the toe off

That is what Ronnie Lott would have done.

 

[Faust]

Giants WR Malik Nabers has minor back issue, sources say

 

[Ilov80s]

Might have been dumb of me but Nabers was falling in our draft and I still took Drake London over him. I'm just going to trust my gut on this but it was likely a very very stupid move by me and half my league mates to pass on him.

 

[FarFromHome]

Might have been dumb of me but Nabers was falling in our draft and I still took Drake London over him. I'm just going to trust my gut on this but it was likely a very very stupid move by me and half my league mates to pass on him.

I don't think it was stupid. Guys are in the same zip code value wise. Sure, straight up id take Nabers, but I can see the conversation the other way around. Worst thing about this is your gonna box score comparing the two all season and kicking yourself every week Nabers does better. Ha ha

 

[Ilov80s]

Might have been dumb of me but Nabers was falling in our draft and I still took Drake London over him. I'm just going to trust my gut on this but it was likely a very very stupid move by me and half my league mates to pass on him.

I don't think it was stupid. Guys are in the same zip code value wise. Sure, straight up id take Nabers, but I can see the conversation the other way around. Worst thing about this is your gonna box score comparing the two all season and kicking yourself every week Nabers does better. Ha ha

LOL yep that is so true. And it will probably be a roller coaster ride back and forth as the season goes on where I feel very right and very wrong about my pick depending on the week.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Might have been dumb of me but Nabers was falling in our draft and I still took Drake London over him. I'm just going to trust my gut on this but it was likely a very very stupid move by me and half my league mates to pass on him.

I don't think it was stupid. Guys are in the same zip code value wise. Sure, straight up id take Nabers, but I can see the conversation the other way around. Worst thing about this is your gonna box score comparing the two all season and kicking yourself every week Nabers does better. Ha ha

LOL yep that is so true. And it will probably be a roller coaster ride back and forth as the season goes on where I feel very right and very wrong about my pick depending on the week.

Drake has a better offense and QB, Nabers already has a naggin jury

 

[Ilov80s]

Might have been dumb of me but Nabers was falling in our draft and I still took Drake London over him. I'm just going to trust my gut on this but it was likely a very very stupid move by me and half my league mates to pass on him.

I don't think it was stupid. Guys are in the same zip code value wise. Sure, straight up id take Nabers, but I can see the conversation the other way around. Worst thing about this is your gonna box score comparing the two all season and kicking yourself every week Nabers does better. Ha ha

LOL yep that is so true. And it will probably be a roller coaster ride back and forth as the season goes on where I feel very right and very wrong about my pick depending on the week.

Drake has a better offense and QB, Nabers already has a naggin jury

Awww jeez thanks you guys sure know how to cheer me up

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Yeah, they’re in the same ballpark and I can’t fault anyone for taking one over the other.