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WR Mike Williams, NYJ (6 Viewers)
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Enzo....the Baker
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Met this dude before a Bengals game, hooked my kid up with his gloves. Nicest guy in the world. Rooting for him where ever he lands
Ideal #2 whenever he's healthy. Even with the injuries, I can't imagine he doesn't get at least 15+ million. I think KC would be more likely to go after someone cheaper, perhaps recently unretired Corey Davis for example? KC could also go WR heavy in the draft, taking multiple guys in the first 3 rounds, to keep costs down.
Interestingly, the 3 teams with the most cap space are the 3 teams likely to go QB 1-2-3. Williams would be a good fit with any of them, and we know NE was trying to upgrade their current group. The Bears have DJ Moore and Tyler Scott and that's really it, and Washington could use another body to A) get Dotson in the slot, and B) add some size they've lacked for some time.
A darkhorse could be the Lions, as Williams would be a sizeable upgrade from Josh Reynolds, though I'm not sure they'd be looking to sign a WR before extending Amon-Ra. They are like 30 million under the cap though.
Interestingly, the 3 teams with the most cap space are the 3 teams likely to go QB 1-2-3. Williams would be a good fit with any of them, and we know NE was trying to upgrade their current group. The Bears have DJ Moore and Tyler Scott and that's really it, and Washington could use another body to A) get Dotson in the slot, and B) add some size they've lacked for some time.
A darkhorse could be the Lions, as Williams would be a sizeable upgrade from Josh Reynolds, though I'm not sure they'd be looking to sign a WR before extending Amon-Ra. They are like 30 million under the cap though.
Penguin
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They just got Keenan Allen
Nevermind, that's WAY better.
Tau837
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I enjoyed his time with the Chargers even though I would not have drafted him that high... but no thanks, unless he comes back cheaper than I expect.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Reportedly in Carolina, no doubt reviewing medicals.
Dang it. Was hoping he’d go to a contender.
That said, after the defensive dismantling, that’s a team that’ll be throwing a lot.
Dang it. Was hoping he’d go to a contender.
That said, after the defensive dismantling, that’s a team that’ll be throwing a lot.
Boston
Footballguy
No 1st round pick and they need to put Young in a better spot to develop...prime for an overpay.
massraider
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Reported to be visiting Jets and Steelers.
zamboni
Footballguy
Also read Panthers
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep - visiting all 3 this week.
Steelers seem like the most in need after shipping out Dionte.
zamboni
Footballguy
Jets need a #2 badly too - not sure if Williams is the right fit but better than Lazard.
It's a bit of a toss up IMO.
But you know how we sometimes hear about a team/player having interest in each other and it makes no sense. This is not that, these all make perfect sense. Only team missing is NE.
Hot Sauce Guy
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They signed KJO today, which I thought was a sharp move. Young, healthy, solid if unspectacular receiver. Good bridge year player who won’t break the bank.
N Zone
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This is what happens when you sign Allen Lazard the year before.
Alex P Keaton
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Jets and Panthers make sense to me. Not so sure about Steelers - Williams seems more like Pickens than Diontae…..but maybe they don’t want to replace Diontae’s skill set.
rockaction
Footballguy
Just signed with the Jets for up to fifteen million for one year.
per Schefter
per Schefter
Truebluey
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If Rogers lasted three plays with the Jets before he was out for the season, what's the over/under for Big Mike to get his season-ender?
2.5?
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't know. I'm surprised the news broke so soon.
massraider
Footballguy
Considering Tyron Smith deal, I think "up to", in that "up to 15 million" is covering a lot of ground.
I bet that base isn't anywhere near 10
Majority of contracts have per game active bonus so probably.
His injuries might have hampered his play a little bit but before last season he's really not missed much time since his rookie season. Had missed 7 games total over the last 6 season.
After his rookie year, till he tore his ACL, he played in about 92% of his games. If you want to include his rookie season, which is fair, he was still running at an 87% games played clip till he tore his ACL.
Agai injuries might have impacted his performance, made his play up and down, but he's available a lot more then people seem to realize.
The Frankman
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I'm not sold on Bowers. Joe D is going all in, as he has to, and the upside is great but the risk of injury is also great. Trade back and get more picks for tackles and WR to hedge that risk.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Hopefully A-A-Ron has a little left on his fastball. Potentially nice landing spot for FF.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Conklin is a pretty solid move TE. Not sure that’s a big need comparatively.
rockaction
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I absolutely do not want him. It's not a position of need or value. WR or OT.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Right - plus with the relatively short window of ARod being there/competitive compared to the relatively long time it takes most TEs to get up to NFL speed, it just doesn’t sound like a great fit.
rockaction
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I'm sickened that he's the betting favorite to go to the Jets on ESPN. Just read it on Twitter.
rockaction
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I almost typed that I had no idea what you meant.
I don't know whether it really hurts at all. Wilson will run intermediate routes and Williams will run deeper ones, most likely. I would absolutely not panic if I rostered Wilson.
massraider
Footballguy
Meh, that's literally FanDuel giving you the Johnny Mitchell Kyle Brady troll job.
zamboni
Footballguy
May lose some red zone looks given that Williams is a big go-and-get-it target, but Garrett should be a target hog.
Pretty much this.
Jets, and Wilson, have been telling us since the off-season that he needed help at WR and it concerned me for his value for this upcoming season because I don't typically like WR's more when strong comp joins them. Was not touching Wilson at his price for the time being. Keenan Allen would have soured me a little on Wilson for his upcoming season but as it goes Mike Williams is about as ideal a WR opposite him as I could hope for. MW's come along a little bit in years and can work more intermediate levels but he's still not a target monster, is ideal for Wilson in that he's good enough to command some attention from the defense but not in a role that hogs a lot of targets.
I don't know that TEs necessarily take a while to develop. Both Sam LaPorta and Dalton Kincaid were huge parts of top-5 teams last year, and Bowers is a lot better prospect than they were. Kyle Pitts had 1,000 yards as a rookie, which is also the only time he had a decent QB. Trey McBride broke out big in year 2 and might have in year 1 if he wasn't stuck behind Zach Ertz. I think the "TEs take a while to get going" idea is a bit of a relic of 10+ years ago.
What I do know, is that Tyler Conklin scares nobody. He's a decent enough pair of hands, but he's ideally a #2 TE. Bowers is a freak, especially in the YAC department. He might be a top-3 YAC TE snap #1 of his career. He can play in-line (where he's a better blocker than Conklin too) or in the slot. I think he'd be a very solid pick at #10, and more beneficial than a WR, assuming none of the top-3 are there.
I do think the Jets may think OT is set. They got 2 high quality starters, and while I wouldn't feel great about trusting a 33- and 34-year-old with long injury histories to stay healthy, I think they might. To be fair, I'm also not super high on a 40+ year old coming off a torn Achilles, but they've already made that bed. I'd take OT myself, but Bowers makes a lot of sense in my opinion. I also think EDGE makes a lot of sense, as they love their pass rusher rotations, and its pretty thin right now. Of course, that'd technically be 3 straight 1st round EDGE guys (technically because while a 1st, Johnson was their 3rd pick in that draft) but they might have their choice of guys like Turner or Verse at #10.
Well if it makes you feel any better Justin Fields had second most bets placed for league MVP on him last year. Just to give an idea of how off Vegas gamblers can be.
Jets filled a lot of holes with one year contracts with players discounted due to injury history. Would be foolish IMO to think they solved the problems at OL in particular and can now view pick 10 as some kind of luxury pick. I don't get a sense that's how Joe Douglass will go.
rockaction
Footballguy
Man, you are thinking the same thing I am.
Very true, but I still think it would be a disaster of a pick. And if they go DE, send out a distress signal for me if I'm not on the FBG boards within forty-eight hours of that pick. I might lose my mind temporarily
