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WR Nathaniel “Tank” Dell, HOU (2 Viewers)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That throw from Mills was terrible, should have hit Dell in stride
I'd like to see Stroud and Dell play catch
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
5/65/TD, seems poised to have a decent breakout rookie season
Likely get lost for several weeks at a time too, it won't be as easy every week as it was 1st half tonight
He's not tall as I recall, pretty small but solid build, super fast, not gonna be a huge red zone target IMO.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It’s preseason but he showed a lot last night. Gets open at will and lightening quick. He could see 80 receptions as a rookie. Stroud is going to look to the guy that’s consistently open.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I loved watching his college tape. His short area burst is insane. He gets a little too crazy with his release footwork sometimes - very exaggerated, bit slow to get into his route - but he is outstanding at contested catches for someone so small (5'8" 165 IIRC.) Definitely rooting for him, such a fun player to watch. 29 TDs his last 2 years, 9th in YAC last year and 11th in forced missed tackles after the catch last season. "Human joystick" is a pretty apt description. Older (24 in October) bc he did a year at an HBCU + a year in JuCo before 3 years at U of Houston. Obviously on the extreme outlier edge size wise but super tough kid, and honestly landed in about the best spot just in terms of wide open opportunity. They're gonna suck again so at least be entertaining. #freetank
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I grabbed him in the third in 2 out of 5 rookie drafts. I can’t pretend I’m not a bit excited by what I saw last night.
massraider
Footballguy
He's adorable, and it's a cute name, but I am trying to win fantasy titles.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
receptions are a big part of ppr leagues
last night in one half he had a 17 fantasy point game
Soulfly3
Footballguy
you got a height restriction on your reception points, or what?
massraider
Footballguy
No, I have a weight minimum, just like the NFL.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That minimum has been steadily heading down though. Just look at all the “small” WRs and RBs entering the league now.
-OZ-
Footballguy
He’s not far from Desean Jackson.
Put tank and Bryce together for the mighty mites.
massraider
Footballguy
Still hanging on to Tutu and Rondale?
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Nothing's wrong with hanging onto him as potential lottery pick that could end up with major ROI. Then sell him high (package him with other players to upgrade one of your core players or starters).
massraider
Footballguy
What player that size has ever hit major ROI?
Born to Run
Footballguy
Just got offered a 2024 3rd for him. Ahhhhh, no thank you.....
foxco
Footballguy
You mean no Tank you...
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Devonta Smith is the most recent example at 170 pounds.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
what exactly are you looking for in a late round rookie pick? this guy is the definition of a winning lotto ticket, if there ever was one as a rookie.
maybe he falls flat. maybe he's mediocre. but he just put in his first NFL shift and looked real good doing it.
massraider
Footballguy
Someone bigger than a hamster
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
some people want to fill a thread with silly snark posts, what’s wrong with that, I’d like to know?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Uh oh, they're onto me.
Sorry.
In the spirit of good fantasy discussion:
I did three rookie drafts, in one of them I took Ced Tillman (CLE) few picks before him, and in the two others I took Boutte just after him. I'll take Tillman all day long over Dell, no regrets.
Dell looks like a much better prospect than Boutte this summer. Boutte may be practice squad bound, although his TC is much better than his minicamp. I actually think I might have taken Dell over him, but Boutte was an ideal late round WR to me. If he shows he's the guy he was earlier at LSU, he's a potential WR 1. If he's a JAG, and cannot beat out Tyquan What's his name, then I cut him, and have a roster spot for the next interesting FA.
I think Dell is most likely a roster clogger. Good enough to keep, not good enough to win you anything. He holds that roster spot, and that's one more spot I cannot pick up that UDFA RB flavor of the month, or whatever. Churning the end of the roster has value, and Dell needs to be Jarvis Landry level of targets (IMO) because he's not going to be a regular red zone threat.
Keke Coutte, Tutu Atwell, Rondale Moore, I didn't own shares anywhere. Rondale hurt, because he was great in college, a much better prospect than Tank. So fun to watch. But I want the alpha, 8 targets a game, and if a guy has physical attributes that make that a crazy long shot, I will let someone else draft.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Excellent analysis. Tank looks electric in preseason games, but I cringe at the thought of a guy like Minkah Fitzpatrick getting up a head of steam and laying the wood to that guy.Uh oh, they're onto me.
Sorry.
In the spirit of good fantasy discussion:
I did three rookie drafts, in one of them I took Ced Tillman (CLE) few picks before him, and in the two others I took Boutte just after him. I'll take Tillman all day long over Dell, no regrets.
Dell looks like a much better prospect than Boutte this summer. Boutte may be practice squad bound, although his TC is much better than his minicamp. I actually think I might have taken Dell over him, but Boutte was an ideal late round WR to me. If he shows he's the guy he was earlier at LSU, he's a potential WR 1. If he's a JAG, and cannot beat out Tyquan What's his name, then I cut him, and have a roster spot for the next interesting FA.
I think Dell is most likely a roster clogger. Good enough to keep, not good enough to win you anything. He holds that roster spot, and that's one more spot I cannot pick up that UDFA RB flavor of the month, or whatever. Churning the end of the roster has value, and Dell needs to be Jarvis Landry level of targets (IMO) because he's not going to be a regular red zone threat.
Keke Coutte, Tutu Atwell, Rondale Moore, I didn't own shares anywhere. Rondale hurt, because he was great in college, a much better prospect than Tank. So fun to watch. But I want the alpha, 8 targets a game, and if a guy has physical attributes that make that a crazy long shot, I will let someone else draft.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m not sure the book is completely written on Moore yet and I think you’re being shortsighted and not seeing the new NFL trends.
It wasn’t like you had to take Dell in round 1 or round 2, he was a third round pick and while camp buzz doesn’t mean much with smaller quick twitch players (they stand out in padless practices) so far he’s looked the part - even in live game action.
I’m not sure how some one that cost nothing becomes a roster clogger - people cut bait on third round rookie picks quickly. If you’re right and he can’t stay healthy due to his size (I’ve never been sure smaller WRs get hurt more than big WRs and no one has yet shown their work), he’s be an easy cut.
This guy is lightening quick, runs incredible routes and has no real competition for targets and a rookie QB that will need to rely on targets that can get open. My guess is he’s at worst a decent depth asset in ppr leagues - but has upside. I mean you seem to be ignoring all the small successful WRs that have come into the league while rehashing the same three small WRs who haven’t yet in post after post.
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massraider
Footballguy
I just keep looking at the top 32 fantasy WRs on MFL.
Also, I didn't say anything about injury. I actually think the little guys get drafted with the club not planning on giving them a heavy workload. Slots that get lots of targets are a lot heavier. I don't think NFL coaches are as optimistic about their workload as fantasy owners are.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The staff seemed to have wanted to use him two nights ago.
I get preseason isn’t always indicative of future success, but he was out there with the stating unit, and that’s a plus.
Chaka
Footballguy
FWIW I got all this from your snark.Uh oh, they're onto me.
Sorry.
In the spirit of good fantasy discussion:
I did three rookie drafts, in one of them I took Ced Tillman (CLE) few picks before him, and in the two others I took Boutte just after him. I'll take Tillman all day long over Dell, no regrets.
Dell looks like a much better prospect than Boutte this summer. Boutte may be practice squad bound, although his TC is much better than his minicamp. I actually think I might have taken Dell over him, but Boutte was an ideal late round WR to me. If he shows he's the guy he was earlier at LSU, he's a potential WR 1. If he's a JAG, and cannot beat out Tyquan What's his name, then I cut him, and have a roster spot for the next interesting FA.
I think Dell is most likely a roster clogger. Good enough to keep, not good enough to win you anything. He holds that roster spot, and that's one more spot I cannot pick up that UDFA RB flavor of the month, or whatever. Churning the end of the roster has value, and Dell needs to be Jarvis Landry level of targets (IMO) because he's not going to be a regular red zone threat.
Keke Coutte, Tutu Atwell, Rondale Moore, I didn't own shares anywhere. Rondale hurt, because he was great in college, a much better prospect than Tank. So fun to watch. But I want the alpha, 8 targets a game, and if a guy has physical attributes that make that a crazy long shot, I will let someone else draft.
Where do you stand on Zay Flowers? Same height (allegedly) and 172lbs (165lbs for Tank).
Hard pass because of height/weight?
massraider
Footballguy
I was just planning on heading over to take a **** in that thread actually.FWIW I got all this from your snark.Uh oh, they're onto me.
Sorry.
In the spirit of good fantasy discussion:
I did three rookie drafts, in one of them I took Ced Tillman (CLE) few picks before him, and in the two others I took Boutte just after him. I'll take Tillman all day long over Dell, no regrets.
Dell looks like a much better prospect than Boutte this summer. Boutte may be practice squad bound, although his TC is much better than his minicamp. I actually think I might have taken Dell over him, but Boutte was an ideal late round WR to me. If he shows he's the guy he was earlier at LSU, he's a potential WR 1. If he's a JAG, and cannot beat out Tyquan What's his name, then I cut him, and have a roster spot for the next interesting FA.
I think Dell is most likely a roster clogger. Good enough to keep, not good enough to win you anything. He holds that roster spot, and that's one more spot I cannot pick up that UDFA RB flavor of the month, or whatever. Churning the end of the roster has value, and Dell needs to be Jarvis Landry level of targets (IMO) because he's not going to be a regular red zone threat.
Keke Coutte, Tutu Atwell, Rondale Moore, I didn't own shares anywhere. Rondale hurt, because he was great in college, a much better prospect than Tank. So fun to watch. But I want the alpha, 8 targets a game, and if a guy has physical attributes that make that a crazy long shot, I will let someone else draft.
Where do you stand on Zay Flowers? Same height (allegedly) and 172lbs (165lbs for Tank).
Hard pass because of height/weight?
massraider
Footballguy
My take on Zay Flowers is people are so excited about this year's Next Steve Smith that they all forgot we supposed to hate BAL WR because Lamar.
rockaction
Footballguy
Going partially with and against mass on this one.
With mass: Guys that are that all-around size have trouble. He's outlier size. He's not even Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison. Heck, he's barely Tutu Atwell. I don't see that you'll get that great a return on your investment, unless you got him in the fourth or fifth. I'd rather have a backup RB with a path to playing time from the third this year. Bigsby and Abanikanda went 3.08 and 3.09 in our draft this year. I'd much rather have those guys, even with Abanikanda going to the Jets.
Perhaps this is the old school footballer in me, but I don't trust guys that small in the NFL. Then again, the game is changing a bit. But I watched Smith-Njigba and Addison's highlights from the other night. Gosh, are they ever small, and they've got at least two inches and ten-fifteen pounds on Tank. And Njigba took a few hits in the slot he didn't look happy about. And looked small doing it.
Against mass: Guy is running with the first team and just had a nice game last night. You're confusing process with results. Your process of not picking Dell was sound. It's a really good idea almost all of the time to steer clear of guys with that height/weight. But there's a reason guys are called potential "outliers," and that's because it happens. Just because the process of you not choosing him was correct doesn't mean he can't defy that and have a good career. I doubt it, but the possibility is there.
With mass: Guys that are that all-around size have trouble. He's outlier size. He's not even Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison. Heck, he's barely Tutu Atwell. I don't see that you'll get that great a return on your investment, unless you got him in the fourth or fifth. I'd rather have a backup RB with a path to playing time from the third this year. Bigsby and Abanikanda went 3.08 and 3.09 in our draft this year. I'd much rather have those guys, even with Abanikanda going to the Jets.
Perhaps this is the old school footballer in me, but I don't trust guys that small in the NFL. Then again, the game is changing a bit. But I watched Smith-Njigba and Addison's highlights from the other night. Gosh, are they ever small, and they've got at least two inches and ten-fifteen pounds on Tank. And Njigba took a few hits in the slot he didn't look happy about. And looked small doing it.
Against mass: Guy is running with the first team and just had a nice game last night. You're confusing process with results. Your process of not picking Dell was sound. It's a really good idea almost all of the time to steer clear of guys with that height/weight. But there's a reason guys are called potential "outliers," and that's because it happens. Just because the process of you not choosing him was correct doesn't mean he can't defy that and have a good career. I doubt it, but the possibility is there.
Chaka
Footballguy
I know a lot of people view it through a different lens but having a good poop is one of life's great pleasures. Admittedly, probably only if it's yours.I was just planning on heading over to take a **** in that thread actually.FWIW I got all this from your snark.Uh oh, they're onto me.
Sorry.
In the spirit of good fantasy discussion:
I did three rookie drafts, in one of them I took Ced Tillman (CLE) few picks before him, and in the two others I took Boutte just after him. I'll take Tillman all day long over Dell, no regrets.
Dell looks like a much better prospect than Boutte this summer. Boutte may be practice squad bound, although his TC is much better than his minicamp. I actually think I might have taken Dell over him, but Boutte was an ideal late round WR to me. If he shows he's the guy he was earlier at LSU, he's a potential WR 1. If he's a JAG, and cannot beat out Tyquan What's his name, then I cut him, and have a roster spot for the next interesting FA.
I think Dell is most likely a roster clogger. Good enough to keep, not good enough to win you anything. He holds that roster spot, and that's one more spot I cannot pick up that UDFA RB flavor of the month, or whatever. Churning the end of the roster has value, and Dell needs to be Jarvis Landry level of targets (IMO) because he's not going to be a regular red zone threat.
Keke Coutte, Tutu Atwell, Rondale Moore, I didn't own shares anywhere. Rondale hurt, because he was great in college, a much better prospect than Tank. So fun to watch. But I want the alpha, 8 targets a game, and if a guy has physical attributes that make that a crazy long shot, I will let someone else draft.
Where do you stand on Zay Flowers? Same height (allegedly) and 172lbs (165lbs for Tank).
Hard pass because of height/weight?
I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
massraider
Footballguy
And that's cool, and his stock goes up. I would move him up.
But in terms of this summer, the hay is in the barn. I don't own him, so I'm not really analyzing whether I would move him up.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
FTR Flowers combine height was 69”, and Tank was 68”. Up to you to decide how important an inch might be, but they’re both little.
Also, really really good. IMO
Also, really really good. IMO
massraider
Footballguy
Thinking about starting a thread where I preemptively call Flowers, Tank, and JSN busts, and recreate this scene from Crank
rockaction
Footballguy
Right, I get that. But then why say he's not going to have a good ROI when he's a third-round rookie pick or later.
Again, your process in my mind was great. It's that the result that he might be an outlier. Doesn't matter whether you've got him or not or if the hay is in the barn or isn't. You said he'd never be a good ROI. That's different than saying your process was right, you stand by it, and you wouldn't have him because that's how you do.
You're confusing the correctness of your process with the result. He still might be a return on somebody else's investment. He went at 4.10 in our league, presumably for height/weight reasons. The GM is laughing all the way to the bank today based on last night. Will it continue? I doubt it, but there's no doubt he's moved up and has already provided an increase in that value to the GM.
rockaction
Footballguy
Boy, that sounds way too invested in this.
I need to breathe.
Those little guys sure are *gasp* fast *gasp* and hard to *deep whooping breath* keep up with.
I need to breathe.
Those little guys sure are *gasp* fast *gasp* and hard to *deep whooping breath* keep up with.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Kalif Raymond (5’8”) is a great trivia Q right now: which Lions player finished second to ARSB in receiving yards in 2022?
Man got paid this week (14.1M, 8M GTD.) There’s a place for the fast little man in this league. Not target hog place but lot of teams want a Scotty Miller circa 2020 type running 9 routes.
WR3 and the melancholy of infinite sadness
Man got paid this week (14.1M, 8M GTD.) There’s a place for the fast little man in this league. Not target hog place but lot of teams want a Scotty Miller circa 2020 type running 9 routes.
WR3 and the melancholy of infinite sadness
Chaka
Footballguy
Yes/no, it's not good value if you can't realize that value. I doubt the people who passed on him at 1.1-4.9 are suddenly regretting it based solely on last night.
If the guy who got him at 4.10 goes to the bank the best he's likely to get is a new off brand cryptocurrency or a sub-prime loan.
Last night was nice but the real world value likely remains unchanged.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think they just put up the @massraider signal on the Calvin Austin III thread.
massraider
Footballguy
Gotta tell you, this is what goes through my mind whenever these little guys have threads
I'm in the Tavon Austin thread if you need me
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
I really liked Boutte but it's difficult to see how he would pan out after being drafted in 6th round by Patriots. They historically are notoriously hard on their rookie WRs. Maybe OC O'Brien would turn it around.
