I get that part and I get he has a huge contract but if you put Julio Jones on the market or Jerry Rice on the market in their prime people would have kicked down the door for them.
I just wonder if the league mostly views him as not that great
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WR Odell Beckham, Jr., Free Agent (1 Viewer)
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I get that part and I get he has a huge contract but if you put Julio Jones on the market or Jerry Rice on the market in their prime people would have kicked down the door for them.
I just wonder if the league mostly views him as not that great
Per Overthecap he had injury guarantees in 2020 and 2021 in his contract but not past 2021.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Regardless of the vid, stuff like that happens. Kenny Golladay wasn't being targeted by Daniel Jones and he threw a fit on the sidelines. But you work it out in practice and get on the same page. You don't have your dad post a vid on Instagram showing that 'my son isn't getting the ball'. Reminds me of the Golden Tate III situation last year; Tate was suspended a game and eventually released by the Giants.
Also as it's been said, it's a ball control, run-heavy, pre-post snap read offense where he's NOT the #1 receiver; Jarvis Landry is. Baker has no need to force balls to Odell, which is seemingly what Odell's dad wants.
Also as it's been said, it's a ball control, run-heavy, pre-post snap read offense where he's NOT the #1 receiver; Jarvis Landry is. Baker has no need to force balls to Odell, which is seemingly what Odell's dad wants.
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As many have already said no one was going to take on that contract.
I'd be willing to bet the Browns brought up option of covering most of his remaining 2021 salary, similar to what Broncos did with Von Miller. I guess whatever meager return they could get for doing this was just not worth it but even if it was just like a day 3 pick it sill seems to make more sense. Which also means maybe they could not even get that.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Agreed. OBJ has slipped below the Mendoza line.
I believe he may be released by week's end.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
So lets speculate.
Chiefs? Clear need for a legit #2.
Raiders? Playoff caliber team just lost Ruggs.
Saints? Michael Thomas done for the year.
Talk to me.
Chiefs? Clear need for a legit #2.
Raiders? Playoff caliber team just lost Ruggs.
Saints? Michael Thomas done for the year.
Talk to me.
jtd13
Footballguy
Without looking at any cap situations, a few more suggestions:
Packers - probably an upgrade over MVS and Lazard
49ers - with Aiyuk out of shape or in the dog house or whatever, they could use another weapon next to Samuel
Falcons - they don't really have a starting wr on their roster with Ridley out. And surprisingly not that far out of the playoff race.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Pats? They've turned around disgruntled position players in the past and they definitely need WR weapons.
amnesiac
beer is good
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
The dude opted not to have surgery, when he could have.
Any shenanigans to avoid paying an injury settlement would not sit well with the NFLPA and the players…nor me as a fan.
The Frankman
Footballguy
missed this
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It’s kind of a sad situation. I remember thinking this guy is the faster version of my all-time favorite WR Jerry Rice. I really believed it. Maybe it was the Giant fan in me being partial. I was so upset to find out Gettleman punished him by sending him to Cleveland. He went from NYC to freaking nowhere. The dude was depressed and even went off social media for a few months. Now I am at a point where I believe that he is another diva WR that has become poisonous. It’s best to stay away from him. That’s the sad part. I still have his #13 Jerseys in my closet.
jtd13
Footballguy
Seems like bluffing to try to get him to lessen the financial impact. Why waste a roster spot and spend more money just to spite the guy?
As I understand it, anything another team pays him after being cut lessens the hit on the browns. That's probably only the vet minimum, but that's still close to $1m, right?
MAC_32
Footballguy
If it had legs it'd have been a mutually beneficial thing; not shenanigans. As @menobrown mentioned the injury guarantees aren't relevant anymore though.
geneyus
Footballguy
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
depends on who you can get….
if you can get somebody who can get you 35-40 yds per game or more, cut bait…
titusbramble
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
I don't understand this. Pascal is basically worthless. OBJ may be as well, but there's also the distinct possibility he ends up in a much better situation by the end of this week. Why not wait that out before making a move?
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Agreed. He could end up in Green Bay or KC - both of which would benefit greatly from having him if they can figure out how to fit him under their caps and he would become an every week starter and difference maker by week 10. Ravens, Saints to a lesser degree. Anywhere is better than where he was. After watching the video his dad sent out - which was a ##### move but...he was open a lot and Baker didnt look at him ever.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Self-absorbed millenial trash.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Thread name change from CLE to no longer with CLE.
He would fit a QB who can adapt to a free lance WR like Brady was able to with Randy Moss who didn't jibe in OAK because he would change the depth and pace of his routes but he flourished with Tom. If he does his patented concentration drops then Tom would freeze him out but he's the guy off the top of my head who would fit his game.
Maybe an arm talent like A-Rod or even Josh Allen. I think Russell Wilson could make a viable deep combo and the guy in KC could be magic. Not sure what interest or cap consequences but he has a 'slight' chance to land on his feet.
He would fit a QB who can adapt to a free lance WR like Brady was able to with Randy Moss who didn't jibe in OAK because he would change the depth and pace of his routes but he flourished with Tom. If he does his patented concentration drops then Tom would freeze him out but he's the guy off the top of my head who would fit his game.
Maybe an arm talent like A-Rod or even Josh Allen. I think Russell Wilson could make a viable deep combo and the guy in KC could be magic. Not sure what interest or cap consequences but he has a 'slight' chance to land on his feet.
Gatorman
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With the Calvin Ridley news and the ability of Arthur smith to craft a game plan, Atlanta seems like the best fit. Green Bay, not so much (the first time he alligator arms a pass from Rodgers it would be all over). The saints with all their wr troubles seem to be a nice match but my dark horse is the Las Vegas raiders.
when obj and Landry ended up in Cleveland together I thought one of two things would occur: the best wr tandem in history or a complete cluster f. I was wrong. Landry fits the offense and obj doesn’t. I think it does come down to scheme bc (in a different world where gase doesn’t trade Landry out of spite) if they were both, say, in Miami where running the ball is secondary to the passing game they’d be a much harder tandem to stop.
when obj and Landry ended up in Cleveland together I thought one of two things would occur: the best wr tandem in history or a complete cluster f. I was wrong. Landry fits the offense and obj doesn’t. I think it does come down to scheme bc (in a different world where gase doesn’t trade Landry out of spite) if they were both, say, in Miami where running the ball is secondary to the passing game they’d be a much harder tandem to stop.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Any of those would be good fits I think. Say what you will about the guy, he gets open. The video his dad made also impressed in terms of the Browns' OC designing roll-outs to play into the strengths of Mayfield. Baker's just got limited vision and/or ability.
With A. Brown's injuries in TB, he'd fill a need on the Bucs.
trader jake
Footballguy
Great breakdown Bracie. I'm wondering if we're overrating the football situation though? Is the key to unlocking OBJ again the location more than QB? Somewhere he would simply feel better about life and enjoy himself more off the field?
I wonder if he would thrive with the Raiders, Saints, or 49ers simply because of that vs. the ideal offensive situation. Ideally he'd have both, but is he going to be any happier as the #3 in Kansas City or living in Green Bay or Buffalo?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
If its all about location then he had the top social media following of any NFL player in NYC.
IF all he cares about is location and fame then he will give back some money to ensure his release from the Browns and cut a cap-friendly deal and reap social media rewards of playing in the Big Apple.
What he 'should' fear is Baker Mayfield blowing up without him going forward as he refuses to give-in with his contract and the Browns hold him hostage till next March. Absolute worst possible outcome for him. He really should smell the coffee, cut a deal, get his release, and latch-on with who or whatever he's after because he'll be thrown into a hellish limbo if he doesn't.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
eeeeeeeverybody hurrrts…sometime. 
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
it’s a fair question, but I doubt he’d want to go to the Giants or Jets. IMO winning is part of it. Players want a shot at a ring, and OBJ is no different.
And to be fair, his dad’s video was heavily receipt-laden. A couple of those clips were off-base, as either OBJ wasn’t actually open, or Mayfield was getting crushed simultaneous to OBJ getting open. But some of the misses were really bad, and at least a few would have been walk-in TDs - and either Mayfield didn’t see him or made an errant pass.
I feel like playing with a competent QB & getting his numbers is important to OBJ, as it it to many NFL WRs. I’m not excusing his sometimes petulant nature over it, but there’s probably more to it than location/lifestyle. NFL WRs are rarely the “lunchbox” type players - they want theirs. And Baker Mayfield has been more miss than hit.
He’d likely be the WR2 in KC, and yes, 3rd target behind Hill & Kelce, but that would give him a better shot at a ring. That would probably be worth something to OBJ.
Las Vegas would be a solid fit. I’d love to see the Niners pick him up, but they’re not winning the SB with or without him this year, IMO.
BUF is an interesting idea, but they aren’t really hurting for receivers.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Could the Rams make a move here?
Cupp, Woods, Van, OBJ would be a deadly combo
Cupp, Woods, Van, OBJ would be a deadly combo
titusbramble
Footballguy
The next time the Rams have a pick Los Angeles will be underwater with global warming
Why would the Rams need a pick for OBJ? The dude is going to be cut and not traded.
Gopher State
Footballguy
I don't know their salary cap space remaining for this season but they probably couldn't take a hit beyond this season and that would be assuming he would sign with them for a minimum hit. There is also the issue of his shoulders which a few people have mentioned.
btemp
Footballguy
You're trying to get a WR on the same page as your QB halfway through the season. A WR who's had issues with his last two clubs and hasn't been dominant since 2016, maybe 2018.
Baker is a mediocre QB but he's not out there dropping 5.9% of his passes. Beckham's also has only caught 50% of his targets.
And that video by Beckham's dad was garbage. You have no idea what the reads are on some of throws. A receiver being open when he's the 3rd option (or was the 1st option but wasn't open in that window) isn't some conspiracy against Beckham. Do some of throws by Baker look bad? Yes. But you can do the same thing to Tom Brady: https://youtu.be/TplvxQTOys8
Could Beckham have an Antonio Brown like resurgence? Yes - but it's very unlikely to happen in 2021 on half a season with a new team. And after that he's getting cut because his 2022 salary is (a) way too high and (b) not guaranteed.
Baker is a mediocre QB but he's not out there dropping 5.9% of his passes. Beckham's also has only caught 50% of his targets.
And that video by Beckham's dad was garbage. You have no idea what the reads are on some of throws. A receiver being open when he's the 3rd option (or was the 1st option but wasn't open in that window) isn't some conspiracy against Beckham. Do some of throws by Baker look bad? Yes. But you can do the same thing to Tom Brady: https://youtu.be/TplvxQTOys8
Could Beckham have an Antonio Brown like resurgence? Yes - but it's very unlikely to happen in 2021 on half a season with a new team. And after that he's getting cut because his 2022 salary is (a) way too high and (b) not guaranteed.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think I understand this right, but if I don't someone else redirect - if the Browns cut him then he can sign anywhere else for the minimum. The salary cap doesn't matter for anyone making the minimum as long as whoever they cut to make room for the minimum salary does not carry any dead cap. For cap purposes that transaction is essentially a pass through that nets a $0 charge. I assume every team has several of those no dead cap types to choose from.
themeistersinger
Footballguy
If he gets claimed off of waivers, the new team picks up his current contract (and same thing if he had been traded). If he clears waivers then he is a free agent, and Cleveland is responsible for his old contract, but the new team can negotiate any kind of contract they want, including paying league minimum. Whatever the new team pays is deducted from what the Browns would still owe.
As a veteran with enough years, he might not have to go through waivers - not sure what that threshold is.
amnesiac
beer is good
I would assume he will clear waivers because I doubt any team would want to assume his contract. If that is the case then he can be signed to the minimum from what I have heard when they were discussing this on TV,
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
I thought parents in high school who contacted coaches complaining about playing time or wanting to play a different position was silly, but a millionaire having their Dad make a video...come on man. I am embarrassed for the entire Beckham family. I can't imagine another NFL team wanting that headache. GM's probably thinking I would like to have the talent but is OBJ isn't targeted enough is he going to have his dad post more vids about our team.
MAC_32
Footballguy
He would clear waivers. Nobody wants that contract or he'd have been traded. My hypothetical was assuming he is a free agent.
rockaction
Footballguy
His father didn't make the video, a fan did. His father just posted it to a social media account. Twitter was all over this.
