WR Puka Nacua LAR (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The injury stuff is again my big issue but if I had to predict THE WR1 next year he'd be number 2 or 3 on my list.

Possible. I’m not entirely sold on that either. He’s a dude who makes the absolute most of his abilities. IMO his abilities are a little bit limited, and it’s unrealistic to expect him to continue to perform at his ceiling.

Not saying it can’t happen, it’s a little too small of a sample size for me to have that sort of confidence (and price him accordingly) - especially with guys like Lamb & JJ in the mix behind Chase. Also a handful of other dudes with small sample size or changing circumstances (Wilson, London, Nabers, etc)

I get the optimism, and again, not at all dismissing the potential for that. He’s just a guy I’m not ready to anoint yet, despite the incredibly impressive start to his career.

 

[menobrown]

The injury stuff is again my big issue but if I had to predict THE WR1 next year he'd be number 2 or 3 on my list.

Possible. I’m not entirely sold on that either. He’s a dude who makes the absolute most of his abilities. IMO his abilities are a little bit limited, and it’s unrealistic to expect him to continue to perform at his ceiling.

Not saying it can’t happen, it’s a little too small of a sample size for me to have that sort of confidence (and price him accordingly) - especially with guys like Lamb & JJ in the mix behind Chase. Also a handful of other dudes with small sample size or changing circumstances (Wilson, London, Nabers, etc)

I get the optimism, and again, not at all dismissing the potential for that. He’s just a guy I’m not ready to anoint yet, despite the incredibly impressive start to his career.

Honestly don't feel like I'm being optimistic at all, just reality of the situation and fwiw I'm not looking at this from prism of some biased dynasty owner who is trying to hard to see something. I do own him in dynasty but one team and that one team is just over 5% of my dynasty investment so it's not much.

I just see a guy who was #1 in the NFL in fantasy points per route run WITHOUT benefit of scoring hardly any TD's, who was the most productive receiver in the entire league on a per route basis per Matt Harmon and by a lot, who is basically replacing a guy who won the triple crown in this offense a few years ago.

There are definitely several worthy candidates to pick from if trying to determine if anyone should replace Chase as the WR1 who would it be, I'd offer up 6 candidates in particular, but if I knew all of them would stay healthy I'd put him as the most likely of the 6.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The injury stuff is again my big issue but if I had to predict THE WR1 next year he'd be number 2 or 3 on my list.

Possible. I’m not entirely sold on that either. He’s a dude who makes the absolute most of his abilities. IMO his abilities are a little bit limited, and it’s unrealistic to expect him to continue to perform at his ceiling.

Not saying it can’t happen, it’s a little too small of a sample size for me to have that sort of confidence (and price him accordingly) - especially with guys like Lamb & JJ in the mix behind Chase. Also a handful of other dudes with small sample size or changing circumstances (Wilson, London, Nabers, etc)

I get the optimism, and again, not at all dismissing the potential for that. He’s just a guy I’m not ready to anoint yet, despite the incredibly impressive start to his career.

Honestly don't feel like I'm being optimistic at all, just reality of the situation and fwiw I'm not looking at this from prism of some biased dynasty owner who is trying to hard to see something. I do own him in dynasty but one team and that one team is just over 5% of my dynasty investment so it's not much.

I just see a guy who was #1 in the NFL in fantasy points per route run WITHOUT benefit of scoring hardly any TD's, who was the most productive receiver in the entire league on a per route basis per Matt Harmon and by a lot, who is basically replacing a guy who won the triple crown in this offense a few years ago.

There are definitely several worthy candidates to pick from if trying to determine if anyone should replace Chase as the WR1 who would it be, I'd offer up 6 candidates in particular, but if I knew all of them would stay healthy I'd put him as the most likely of the 6.

Yep, I didn’t mean it like you’re overly optimistic about him. Just normal healthy well-adjusted optimism. I think you have a fair take.

I just see a few reasons that temper my optimism for him, and in the context of the discussion with Dez I might prefer spending less on an AJB (for example) for those reasons.

In general I like Puka a lot. I won’t position myself on an “anti” side of a Puka argument by any stretch.

All players have their strengths and flaws. I wish the Puka shareholders nothing but success.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Why do you think he's overvalued?

Short term he’s probably fine. There are a few things that concern me long-term.

He has a history of both soft tissue injuries (dating back to college) and more recently concussions. One so bad it had him openly reflecting on how long he would play.

He said he only wants to play until he’s 30. He wants more kids, wants to put family 1st, etc. That was last year, so that’s what, 5 seasons? Not an ideal thing for your highly priced WR1 to be saying from a dynasty perspective.

QB is murky at best looking forward. I don’t see an in-house option after Stafford hangs it up, and Stafford looked pretty bad at times last year. He has his own injury history, and back issues can be instantly devastating if they crop up again. Draft sharks injury predictor isn’t infallible, but his history image looks like a pincushion.

To a lesser degree, I’m interested in seeing what Adams presence does for his production this year, vs having the ghost of Cooper Kupp out there. Adams is a very different type of WR, and his targets may overlap Puka’s a bit. Again, this isn’t as much of a concern, but it may not be nothing, either.

All told, I just don’t have Puka as high as the FF community at large seems to. I like the dude and respect his game. He was my best 5th round pick ever in 2x 16 team leagues. But for the prices discussed above, I think he’s a bit over valued. Especially in the discussion of Chase, JJ, & Lamb tiers. I have him a tier down for reasons listed.

I’m sure most will disagree with me. It’s not a hill I’ll die on, but my gut feel is that I would absolutely sell Puka for those prices, but I would not be a buyer at those prices.

Each to their own, of course.

Personally I think I agree with @menobrown on this one.

I think Puka is undervalued if anything.

His rookie year handily beat Nabers', a guy that is valued significantly higher than him. He was right on pace in year 2 other than the injury, and now his target share could go up even more with Kupp leaving.

The injuries are a real concern, I totally get that.

The age 30 retirement thing doesn't really bother me. For starters, we'll see if he actually lives up to that. Didn't Tyreek have the same age 30 retirement goal? Further, we really shouldn't expect much out of those age 30+ years anyway. WRs get discarded a lot earlier than they used to now, and reality is not many of these guys do a whole lot after 30 anymore. Only 3 of the top 30 WRs last year were over age 30, and two of those were barely over (Tyreek and Evans). Adams was the lone "old" guy, at the ripe age of 31.

Number of top 10 WR finishes by age 30+ WRs the last few years...

2024: 0
2023: 1
2022: 0
2021: 0

That lone one was Mike Evans towards the bottom of the top 10 in 2023, where had just turned 30 years and 1 week old at the start of the year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Why do you think he's overvalued?

Short term he’s probably fine. There are a few things that concern me long-term.

He has a history of both soft tissue injuries (dating back to college) and more recently concussions. One so bad it had him openly reflecting on how long he would play.

He said he only wants to play until he’s 30. He wants more kids, wants to put family 1st, etc. That was last year, so that’s what, 5 seasons? Not an ideal thing for your highly priced WR1 to be saying from a dynasty perspective.

QB is murky at best looking forward. I don’t see an in-house option after Stafford hangs it up, and Stafford looked pretty bad at times last year. He has his own injury history, and back issues can be instantly devastating if they crop up again. Draft sharks injury predictor isn’t infallible, but his history image looks like a pincushion.

To a lesser degree, I’m interested in seeing what Adams presence does for his production this year, vs having the ghost of Cooper Kupp out there. Adams is a very different type of WR, and his targets may overlap Puka’s a bit. Again, this isn’t as much of a concern, but it may not be nothing, either.

All told, I just don’t have Puka as high as the FF community at large seems to. I like the dude and respect his game. He was my best 5th round pick ever in 2x 16 team leagues. But for the prices discussed above, I think he’s a bit over valued. Especially in the discussion of Chase, JJ, & Lamb tiers. I have him a tier down for reasons listed.

I’m sure most will disagree with me. It’s not a hill I’ll die on, but my gut feel is that I would absolutely sell Puka for those prices, but I would not be a buyer at those prices.

Each to their own, of course.

Personally I think I agree with @menobrown on this one.

I think Puka is undervalued if anything.

His rookie year handily beat Nabers', a guy that is valued significantly higher than him. He was right on pace in year 2 other than the injury, and now his target share could go up even more with Kupp leaving.

The injuries are a real concern, I totally get that.

The age 30 retirement thing doesn't really bother me. For starters, we'll see if he actually lives up to that. Didn't Tyreek have the same age 30 retirement goal? Further, we really shouldn't expect much out of those age 30+ years anyway. WRs get discarded a lot earlier than they used to now, and reality is not many of these guys do a whole lot after 30 anymore. Only 3 of the top 30 WRs last year were over age 30, and two of those were barely over (Tyreek and Evans). Adams was the lone "old" guy, at the ripe age of 31.

Number of top 10 WR finishes by age 30+ WRs the last few years...

2024: 0
2023: 1
2022: 0
2021: 0

That lone one was Mike Evans towards the bottom of the top 10 in 2023, where had just turned 30 years and 1 week old at the start of the year.

Sure. All good & I respect your opinion. I was asked why I thought he was overvalued & answered. We all have our takes.

ETA: maybe scroll up and see what Dez was looking to offer for him. That’s the context of this discussion. Wasn’t sure if you came in late to that.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Why do you think he's overvalued?

Short term he’s probably fine. There are a few things that concern me long-term.

He has a history of both soft tissue injuries (dating back to college) and more recently concussions. One so bad it had him openly reflecting on how long he would play.

He said he only wants to play until he’s 30. He wants more kids, wants to put family 1st, etc. That was last year, so that’s what, 5 seasons? Not an ideal thing for your highly priced WR1 to be saying from a dynasty perspective.

QB is murky at best looking forward. I don’t see an in-house option after Stafford hangs it up, and Stafford looked pretty bad at times last year. He has his own injury history, and back issues can be instantly devastating if they crop up again. Draft sharks injury predictor isn’t infallible, but his history image looks like a pincushion.

To a lesser degree, I’m interested in seeing what Adams presence does for his production this year, vs having the ghost of Cooper Kupp out there. Adams is a very different type of WR, and his targets may overlap Puka’s a bit. Again, this isn’t as much of a concern, but it may not be nothing, either.

All told, I just don’t have Puka as high as the FF community at large seems to. I like the dude and respect his game. He was my best 5th round pick ever in 2x 16 team leagues. But for the prices discussed above, I think he’s a bit over valued. Especially in the discussion of Chase, JJ, & Lamb tiers. I have him a tier down for reasons listed.

I’m sure most will disagree with me. It’s not a hill I’ll die on, but my gut feel is that I would absolutely sell Puka for those prices, but I would not be a buyer at those prices.

Each to their own, of course.

Personally I think I agree with @menobrown on this one.

I think Puka is undervalued if anything.

His rookie year handily beat Nabers', a guy that is valued significantly higher than him. He was right on pace in year 2 other than the injury, and now his target share could go up even more with Kupp leaving.

The injuries are a real concern, I totally get that.

The age 30 retirement thing doesn't really bother me. For starters, we'll see if he actually lives up to that. Didn't Tyreek have the same age 30 retirement goal? Further, we really shouldn't expect much out of those age 30+ years anyway. WRs get discarded a lot earlier than they used to now, and reality is not many of these guys do a whole lot after 30 anymore. Only 3 of the top 30 WRs last year were over age 30, and two of those were barely over (Tyreek and Evans). Adams was the lone "old" guy, at the ripe age of 31.

Number of top 10 WR finishes by age 30+ WRs the last few years...

2024: 0
2023: 1
2022: 0
2021: 0

That lone one was Mike Evans towards the bottom of the top 10 in 2023, where had just turned 30 years and 1 week old at the start of the year.

Sure. All good & I respect your opinion. I was asked why I thought he was overvalued & answered. We all have our takes.

ETA: maybe scroll up and see what Dez was looking to offer for him. That’s the context of this discussion. Wasn’t sure if you came in late to that.

Personally, that trade seems light to me for a player of Puka’s caliber.

The 1.10 is good, but if that’s the best piece out of five that you’re sending me for Puka then no thanks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Why do you think he's overvalued?

Short term he’s probably fine. There are a few things that concern me long-term.

He has a history of both soft tissue injuries (dating back to college) and more recently concussions. One so bad it had him openly reflecting on how long he would play.

He said he only wants to play until he’s 30. He wants more kids, wants to put family 1st, etc. That was last year, so that’s what, 5 seasons? Not an ideal thing for your highly priced WR1 to be saying from a dynasty perspective.

QB is murky at best looking forward. I don’t see an in-house option after Stafford hangs it up, and Stafford looked pretty bad at times last year. He has his own injury history, and back issues can be instantly devastating if they crop up again. Draft sharks injury predictor isn’t infallible, but his history image looks like a pincushion.

To a lesser degree, I’m interested in seeing what Adams presence does for his production this year, vs having the ghost of Cooper Kupp out there. Adams is a very different type of WR, and his targets may overlap Puka’s a bit. Again, this isn’t as much of a concern, but it may not be nothing, either.

All told, I just don’t have Puka as high as the FF community at large seems to. I like the dude and respect his game. He was my best 5th round pick ever in 2x 16 team leagues. But for the prices discussed above, I think he’s a bit over valued. Especially in the discussion of Chase, JJ, & Lamb tiers. I have him a tier down for reasons listed.

I’m sure most will disagree with me. It’s not a hill I’ll die on, but my gut feel is that I would absolutely sell Puka for those prices, but I would not be a buyer at those prices.

Each to their own, of course.

Personally I think I agree with @menobrown on this one.

I think Puka is undervalued if anything.

His rookie year handily beat Nabers', a guy that is valued significantly higher than him. He was right on pace in year 2 other than the injury, and now his target share could go up even more with Kupp leaving.

The injuries are a real concern, I totally get that.

The age 30 retirement thing doesn't really bother me. For starters, we'll see if he actually lives up to that. Didn't Tyreek have the same age 30 retirement goal? Further, we really shouldn't expect much out of those age 30+ years anyway. WRs get discarded a lot earlier than they used to now, and reality is not many of these guys do a whole lot after 30 anymore. Only 3 of the top 30 WRs last year were over age 30, and two of those were barely over (Tyreek and Evans). Adams was the lone "old" guy, at the ripe age of 31.

Number of top 10 WR finishes by age 30+ WRs the last few years...

2024: 0
2023: 1
2022: 0
2021: 0

That lone one was Mike Evans towards the bottom of the top 10 in 2023, where had just turned 30 years and 1 week old at the start of the year.

Sure. All good & I respect your opinion. I was asked why I thought he was overvalued & answered. We all have our takes.

ETA: maybe scroll up and see what Dez was looking to offer for him. That’s the context of this discussion. Wasn’t sure if you came in late to that.

Personally, that trade seems light to me for a player of Puka’s caliber.

The 1.10 is good, but if that’s the best piece out of five that you’re sending me for Puka then no thanks.

There ya go. I figured I’d be in the minority with that opinion.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Why do you think he's overvalued?

Short term he’s probably fine. There are a few things that concern me long-term.

He has a history of both soft tissue injuries (dating back to college) and more recently concussions. One so bad it had him openly reflecting on how long he would play.

He said he only wants to play until he’s 30. He wants more kids, wants to put family 1st, etc. That was last year, so that’s what, 5 seasons? Not an ideal thing for your highly priced WR1 to be saying from a dynasty perspective.

QB is murky at best looking forward. I don’t see an in-house option after Stafford hangs it up, and Stafford looked pretty bad at times last year. He has his own injury history, and back issues can be instantly devastating if they crop up again. Draft sharks injury predictor isn’t infallible, but his history image looks like a pincushion.

To a lesser degree, I’m interested in seeing what Adams presence does for his production this year, vs having the ghost of Cooper Kupp out there. Adams is a very different type of WR, and his targets may overlap Puka’s a bit. Again, this isn’t as much of a concern, but it may not be nothing, either.

All told, I just don’t have Puka as high as the FF community at large seems to. I like the dude and respect his game. He was my best 5th round pick ever in 2x 16 team leagues. But for the prices discussed above, I think he’s a bit over valued. Especially in the discussion of Chase, JJ, & Lamb tiers. I have him a tier down for reasons listed.

I’m sure most will disagree with me. It’s not a hill I’ll die on, but my gut feel is that I would absolutely sell Puka for those prices, but I would not be a buyer at those prices.

Each to their own, of course.

Personally I think I agree with @menobrown on this one.

I think Puka is undervalued if anything.

His rookie year handily beat Nabers', a guy that is valued significantly higher than him. He was right on pace in year 2 other than the injury, and now his target share could go up even more with Kupp leaving.

The injuries are a real concern, I totally get that.

The age 30 retirement thing doesn't really bother me. For starters, we'll see if he actually lives up to that. Didn't Tyreek have the same age 30 retirement goal? Further, we really shouldn't expect much out of those age 30+ years anyway. WRs get discarded a lot earlier than they used to now, and reality is not many of these guys do a whole lot after 30 anymore. Only 3 of the top 30 WRs last year were over age 30, and two of those were barely over (Tyreek and Evans). Adams was the lone "old" guy, at the ripe age of 31.

Number of top 10 WR finishes by age 30+ WRs the last few years...

2024: 0
2023: 1
2022: 0
2021: 0

That lone one was Mike Evans towards the bottom of the top 10 in 2023, where had just turned 30 years and 1 week old at the start of the year.

Sure. All good & I respect your opinion. I was asked why I thought he was overvalued & answered. We all have our takes.

ETA: maybe scroll up and see what Dez was looking to offer for him. That’s the context of this discussion. Wasn’t sure if you came in late to that.

Yep was just adding my opinion to the discussion of the player. Wasn't trying to challenge your position or anything, which is a totally valid take.

 

[Dez]

Dynasty is such an interesting game. What one sees as too much another sees as not enough.
I have seen some real squirely deals in my time and they have been very recent. Trades that you can't believe ever went down.
Just this year along I seen Jefferson get traded twice once for the worst deal possible ever a deal that you can't believe got accepted.
Seen Lamb go bye bye as well. These are guys I just can't ever trade myself even for king ransom.
The deals made were also none for a kings ransom in my eyes.
A couple years ago before McBride broke out in a TEP league a guy who was rebuilding sent McBride away for a future 3rd after taking him in the late 1st the year before.
He had done nothing to that point it was like a few weeks into the 2023 season before Ertz went down but why in the world would u draft a guy in round 1 then get out 1 year and 3 games later for a 3rd ? People do unthinkable things. Things you would never even make an offer of to them becuase you think you would insult them this is how others get the deals you would easily do.

2 years ago I offered 3 1st round picks AND 2 2nd round picks for Jefferson the guy declined. His team never competed and then he quit the league after last year.
Then the new owner comes in and starts a rebuild and traded Jefferson for the 1.09, 2.09 and Downs. How is that even possible ? Why not shop the pick ? Why on Earth would you ever accept that ? Then trades the 1.09 for a 2026 1st and 2nd from the team that now has Jefferson and is the favorite to win the league ?

Mind boggling.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dynasty is such an interesting game. What one sees as too much another sees as not enough.
I have seen some real squirely deals in my time and they have been very recent. Trades that you can't believe ever went down.
Just this year along I seen Jefferson get traded twice once for the worst deal possible ever a deal that you can't believe got accepted.
Seen Lamb go bye bye as well. These are guys I just can't ever trade myself even for king ransom.
The deals made were also none for a kings ransom in my eyes.
A couple years ago before McBride broke out in a TEP league a guy who was rebuilding sent McBride away for a future 3rd after taking him in the late 1st the year before.
He had done nothing to that point it was like a few weeks into the 2023 season before Ertz went down but why in the world would u draft a guy in round 1 then get out 1 year and 3 games later for a 3rd ? People do unthinkable things. Things you would never even make an offer of to them becuase you think you would insult them this is how others get the deals you would easily do.

2 years ago I offered 3 1st round picks AND 2 2nd round picks for Jefferson the guy declined. His team never competed and then he quit the league after last year.
Then the new owner comes in and starts a rebuild and traded Jefferson for the 1.09, 2.09 and Downs. How is that even possible ? Why not shop the pick ? Why on Earth would you ever accept that ? Then trades the 1.09 for a 2026 1st and 2nd from the team that now has Jefferson and is the favorite to win the league ?

Mind boggling.

No doubt - I saw some of those that you posted on the trades page & was mystified. I see stuff like that on Reddit all the time.

Do you think I should have accepted this?

 

[pinkstapler]

Dynasty is such an interesting game. What one sees as too much another sees as not enough.
I have seen some real squirely deals in my time and they have been very recent. Trades that you can't believe ever went down.
Just this year along I seen Jefferson get traded twice once for the worst deal possible ever a deal that you can't believe got accepted.
Seen Lamb go bye bye as well. These are guys I just can't ever trade myself even for king ransom.
The deals made were also none for a kings ransom in my eyes.
A couple years ago before McBride broke out in a TEP league a guy who was rebuilding sent McBride away for a future 3rd after taking him in the late 1st the year before.
He had done nothing to that point it was like a few weeks into the 2023 season before Ertz went down but why in the world would u draft a guy in round 1 then get out 1 year and 3 games later for a 3rd ? People do unthinkable things. Things you would never even make an offer of to them becuase you think you would insult them this is how others get the deals you would easily do.

2 years ago I offered 3 1st round picks AND 2 2nd round picks for Jefferson the guy declined. His team never competed and then he quit the league after last year.
Then the new owner comes in and starts a rebuild and traded Jefferson for the 1.09, 2.09 and Downs. How is that even possible ? Why not shop the pick ? Why on Earth would you ever accept that ? Then trades the 1.09 for a 2026 1st and 2nd from the team that now has Jefferson and is the favorite to win the league ?

Mind boggling.

Little off topic; but what you just described is why I think any dynasty league that's ever in a position where they need to replace an owner needs to give the new guy a strong orientation and possibly a short blackout period where they don't make any moves for the first week or two. Every league is so different as are people's skill/involvement levels. One of those orientation points I always put out there is to use the trade block function, or at the very least post in chat when you're looking to trade away/for players/positions/picks. I not only get frustrated with an unshopped trade going through, but also have been in leagues full of gaslighters who love spouting "you got robbed, I would have gladly paid X more for that guy" when they 100% would not have haha. So being more open and public with trading helps cut down on all of it.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I think with Puka, the upside really is Kupp's ridiculous 2021. I mean his per game avg prorated over a 17 game season to this point in his career: 111.7/1503.2/5.5

Certainly his TD production has been middling, but Kupp was generally around 5-6 thru much of his career with explosion exceptions which is kind of the way I feel about Puka...where he finds some zen type of connection with Stafford in the red zone.

Yes, Davante is there and perhaps his ceiling isn't as attainable this year, particularly TD wise, although he's been a clear top level WR1 even without TD's. But going into Year 3...I mean he's still ascendent.

 

[jm192]

Do you downgrade him any with Stafford's back issues?

That's a special connection. Jimmy G is a solid backup. But Stafford has really fed his #1 the last several years.

 

[Rubi]

Do you downgrade him any with Stafford's back issues?

That's a special connection. Jimmy G is a solid backup. But Stafford has really fed his #1 the last several years.

No

 

[Rubi]

Do you downgrade him any with Stafford's back issues?

That's a special connection. Jimmy G is a solid backup. But Stafford has really fed his #1 the last several years.

No

I see him consistently at WR 5. You could argue 4 or 6.
I got him in a recent draft in the second round at WR 8.
I consider it a steal

 

[Blick]

Do you downgrade him any with Stafford's back issues?

That's a special connection. Jimmy G is a solid backup. But Stafford has really fed his #1 the last several years.

Puka is lapping the field (historically) to begin his career. His yards per route run is off the charts. I think he’s still
dogged a little by his 5th round draft spot. If he was taken in the 1st, he would be in the Chase/JJ tier right now.

 

[jm192]

Do you downgrade him any with Stafford's back issues?

That's a special connection. Jimmy G is a solid backup. But Stafford has really fed his #1 the last several years.

Puka is lapping the field (historically) to begin his career. His yards per route run is off the charts. I think he’s still
dogged a little by his 5th round draft spot. If he was taken in the 1st, he would be in the Chase/JJ tier right now.

I can't speak for anyone else. But I certainly don't consider his draft capital at this point.

He's somewhere between WR4 and WR6 for me. With Chase, Lamb, Jefferson being 1, 2,3.

He just hasn't shown the touchdown upside. But to be talked about as WR4 in a world where those 3 exist, I don't feel like he's being dogged.

 

[menobrown]

I see him consistently at WR 5. You could argue 4 or 6.

If I knew Stafford was ok, which I'm getting more concerned about with some recent updates. I'd have him as WR3.

Still might not be able to move him lower then WR4 right now because some of his comp has issues as well.

This is also why me, and I think majority opinion, has moved Lamb to WR2. He's clean, WR's 3-6 in my rankings all have some kind of current legit issue that raises concern, makes them less clean.

 

[the spanker]

Update on the Rams situation. Stafford is going to play week one but I'm really nervous about him being upright the entire season if not out all together at some point.

How is everyone evaluating Puka now with the uncertainty? Especially in full ppr formats where he's a monster? Is he still a mid to late 1st rd pick?

Or are you bailing and going a different direction? I like Collins and possibly ST. Brown as strong alternatives although I'm worried about Jameson taking away targets and TDs away from Brown.

Thoughts?

 

[menobrown]

How is everyone evaluating Puka now with the uncertainty? Especially in full ppr formats where he's a monster? Is he still a mid to late 1st rd pick?

Bad news. At this point he's probably my most important player, not the most drafted, but relative to cost he's my biggest investment of the year and I'm a very unlucky SOB. Sorry in advance Puka peeps.

He's extremely high risk due to his own injury history and Stafford's but I got him ranked as WR3 in full PPR when everyone is healthy so he's been hard for me to resist but I've gotten so saturated with him I finally had to start passing which is a shame because his cost has really dropped.

To answer your question I think a lot of that depends on format. I don't play Underdog much but know that format values WR's a ton but in the full PPR leagues I play he's more likely to be a mid second then a mid first. Can't even remember last time I was in a draft someone took him in late round one. Actual ADP over last few days is WR7, player 15(but this is TEP and two TE's go before him so account for that)

 

[travdogg]

Update on the Rams situation. Stafford is going to play week one but I'm really nervous about him being upright the entire season if not out all together at some point.

How is everyone evaluating Puka now with the uncertainty? Especially in full ppr formats where he's a monster? Is he still a mid to late 1st rd pick?

Or are you bailing and going a different direction? I like Collins and possibly ST. Brown as strong alternatives although I'm worried about Jameson taking away targets and TDs away from Brown.

Thoughts?

I really don't think Jimmy G is that big of a downgrade should he need to play. McVay (like Shanahan) would get the most out of him. Take away 2021, and Stafford himself really hasn't put up that big of numbers as a Ram.

I think Puka would still be a top-6 WR for me. I like him more than Amon-Ra. I'd have him below Nico regardless though. Nico is a monster as long as he can stay on the field.

 

[the spanker]

Update on the Rams situation. Stafford is going to play week one but I'm really nervous about him being upright the entire season if not out all together at some point.

How is everyone evaluating Puka now with the uncertainty? Especially in full ppr formats where he's a monster? Is he still a mid to late 1st rd pick?

Or are you bailing and going a different direction? I like Collins and possibly ST. Brown as strong alternatives although I'm worried about Jameson taking away targets and TDs away from Brown.

Thoughts?

I really don't think Jimmy G is that big of a downgrade should he need to play. McVay (like Shanahan) would get the most out of him. Take away 2021, and Stafford himself really hasn't put up that big of numbers as a Ram.

I think Puka would still be a top-6 WR for me. I like him more than Amon-Ra. I'd have him below Nico regardless though. Nico is a monster as long as he can stay on the field.

Speaking of Amona-Ra and Collins, who do you have ranked higher in full pt ppr? I tried to find your rankings again but don't see them.

After the top 3 of Chase, Lamb, and Jefferson, who in your opinion has the best chance to match their production in the mid to late first round?

 

[travdogg]

Update on the Rams situation. Stafford is going to play week one but I'm really nervous about him being upright the entire season if not out all together at some point.

How is everyone evaluating Puka now with the uncertainty? Especially in full ppr formats where he's a monster? Is he still a mid to late 1st rd pick?

Or are you bailing and going a different direction? I like Collins and possibly ST. Brown as strong alternatives although I'm worried about Jameson taking away targets and TDs away from Brown.

Thoughts?

I really don't think Jimmy G is that big of a downgrade should he need to play. McVay (like Shanahan) would get the most out of him. Take away 2021, and Stafford himself really hasn't put up that big of numbers as a Ram.

I think Puka would still be a top-6 WR for me. I like him more than Amon-Ra. I'd have him below Nico regardless though. Nico is a monster as long as he can stay on the field.

Speaking of Amona-Ra and Collins, who do you have ranked higher in full pt ppr? I tried to find your rankings again but don't see them.

After the top 3 of Chase, Lamb, and Jefferson, who in your opinion has the best chance to match their production in the mid to late first round?

I like Nico as WR4. Can't help but feel like the Mixon situation could be a bonus for him too. I don't think it'd be wrong to group him with the top-3 WRs. Then I probably still have Puka WR5.

 

[DeaLerZ]

How is everyone evaluating Puka now with the uncertainty? Especially in full ppr formats where he's a monster? Is he still a mid to late 1st rd pick?

Bad news. At this point he's probably my most important player, not the most drafted, but relative to cost he's my biggest investment of the year and I'm a very unlucky SOB. Sorry in advance Puka peeps.

He's extremely high risk due to his own injury history and Stafford's but I got him ranked as WR3 in full PPR when everyone is healthy so he's been hard for me to resist but I've gotten so saturated with him I finally had to start passing which is a shame because his cost has really dropped.

To answer your question I think a lot of that depends on format. I don't play Underdog much but know that format values WR's a ton but in the full PPR leagues I play he's more likely to be a mid second then a mid first. Can't even remember last time I was in a draft someone took him in late round one. Actual ADP over last few days is WR7, player 15(but this is TEP and two TE's go before him so account for that)

100 % agree with this. I have the option to keep him at $20 in Half PPR auction league this year which is an incredible deal.

However, we can only keep 2. I also get to potentially keep

$51 Jahmyr Gibbs (Valued at approximately $65)
$41 Josh Jacobs (About Value)
$22 Terry McClaurin (About Value)
$20 Puka Nacua (Valued at $40)
$13 Chase Brown (Valued at $35)
$10 Jayden Daniels (Valued at $25)

I am strongly considering letting Puka go this year. Last year his injury really sucked. A lot of people forget that during his first season he was questionable/game time decision almost every week, which is such a "headache". He is like "Tee Higgins" lite in that respect. He was free off the waiver wire that year so it was worth it as a #3 WR on your team and obviously it ended up working great for everyone.

I love his connection with Stafford, but I am not so sure that it would be as magical with another QB and Stafford is no young buck. The addition of Davante Adams to me absolutely hurts his "Ceiling" as a potential top 5 WR. In full PPR I get it.

In half PPR and having to make a tough decision I am leaning towards Chase Brown at $13 which is too good to pass, and Gibbs at $51 (Going for $60-70) in mocks as the potential #1 RB this year.
The point of this is to say if he didn't have so many "Risks" he would be a sure thing at $20, but it appears he is the type of player that is always "banged up". The injury risks combined with Stafford's health issues, and the addition of a hall famer WR that will absolutely take away any potential Puka had to make a leap in the TD department makes me honestly rather get Adams at his price with TD upside as a #3 WR.

 

[travdogg]

How is everyone evaluating Puka now with the uncertainty? Especially in full ppr formats where he's a monster? Is he still a mid to late 1st rd pick?

Bad news. At this point he's probably my most important player, not the most drafted, but relative to cost he's my biggest investment of the year and I'm a very unlucky SOB. Sorry in advance Puka peeps.

He's extremely high risk due to his own injury history and Stafford's but I got him ranked as WR3 in full PPR when everyone is healthy so he's been hard for me to resist but I've gotten so saturated with him I finally had to start passing which is a shame because his cost has really dropped.

To answer your question I think a lot of that depends on format. I don't play Underdog much but know that format values WR's a ton but in the full PPR leagues I play he's more likely to be a mid second then a mid first. Can't even remember last time I was in a draft someone took him in late round one. Actual ADP over last few days is WR7, player 15(but this is TEP and two TE's go before him so account for that)

100 % agree with this. I have the option to keep him at $20 in Half PPR auction league this year which is an incredible deal.

However, we can only keep 2. I also get to potentially keep

$51 Jahmyr Gibbs (Valued at approximately $65)
$41 Josh Jacobs (About Value)
$22 Terry McClaurin (About Value)
$20 Puka Nacua (Valued at $40)
$13 Chase Brown (Valued at $35)
$10 Jayden Daniels (Valued at $25)

I am strongly considering letting Puka go this year. Last year his injury really sucked. A lot of people forget that during his first season he was questionable/game time decision almost every week, which is such a "headache". He is like "Tee Higgins" lite in that respect. He was free off the waiver wire that year so it was worth it as a #3 WR on your team and obviously it ended up working great for everyone.

I love his connection with Stafford, but I am not so sure that it would be as magical with another QB and Stafford is no young buck. The addition of Davante Adams to me absolutely hurts his "Ceiling" as a potential top 5 WR. In full PPR I get it.

In half PPR and having to make a tough decision I am leaning towards Chase Brown at $13 which is too good to pass, and Gibbs at $51 (Going for $60-70) in mocks as the potential #1 RB this year.
The point of this is to say if he didn't have so many "Risks" he would be a sure thing at $20, but it appears he is the type of player that is always "banged up". The injury risks combined with Stafford's health issues, and the addition of a hall famer WR that will absolutely take away any potential Puka had to make a leap in the TD department makes me honestly rather get Adams at his price with TD upside as a #3 WR.

I think Puka is your best value of that group.

 

[JoeJoe88]

How is everyone evaluating Puka now with the uncertainty? Especially in full ppr formats where he's a monster? Is he still a mid to late 1st rd pick?

Bad news. At this point he's probably my most important player, not the most drafted, but relative to cost he's my biggest investment of the year and I'm a very unlucky SOB. Sorry in advance Puka peeps.

He's extremely high risk due to his own injury history and Stafford's but I got him ranked as WR3 in full PPR when everyone is healthy so he's been hard for me to resist but I've gotten so saturated with him I finally had to start passing which is a shame because his cost has really dropped.

To answer your question I think a lot of that depends on format. I don't play Underdog much but know that format values WR's a ton but in the full PPR leagues I play he's more likely to be a mid second then a mid first. Can't even remember last time I was in a draft someone took him in late round one. Actual ADP over last few days is WR7, player 15(but this is TEP and two TE's go before him so account for that)

100 % agree with this. I have the option to keep him at $20 in Half PPR auction league this year which is an incredible deal.

However, we can only keep 2. I also get to potentially keep

$51 Jahmyr Gibbs (Valued at approximately $65)
$41 Josh Jacobs (About Value)
$22 Terry McClaurin (About Value)
$20 Puka Nacua (Valued at $40)
$13 Chase Brown (Valued at $35)
$10 Jayden Daniels (Valued at $25)

I am strongly considering letting Puka go this year. Last year his injury really sucked. A lot of people forget that during his first season he was questionable/game time decision almost every week, which is such a "headache". He is like "Tee Higgins" lite in that respect. He was free off the waiver wire that year so it was worth it as a #3 WR on your team and obviously it ended up working great for everyone.

I love his connection with Stafford, but I am not so sure that it would be as magical with another QB and Stafford is no young buck. The addition of Davante Adams to me absolutely hurts his "Ceiling" as a potential top 5 WR. In full PPR I get it.

In half PPR and having to make a tough decision I am leaning towards Chase Brown at $13 which is too good to pass, and Gibbs at $51 (Going for $60-70) in mocks as the potential #1 RB this year.
The point of this is to say if he didn't have so many "Risks" he would be a sure thing at $20, but it appears he is the type of player that is always "banged up". The injury risks combined with Stafford's health issues, and the addition of a hall famer WR that will absolutely take away any potential Puka had to make a leap in the TD department makes me honestly rather get Adams at his price with TD upside as a #3 WR.

I think Puka is your best value of that group.

Same. Puka and Brown is the easy correct choice there imo.

 

[Uncle Leo]

10/11 for 130. What a great start.

 

[ffmail4me]

10/11 for 130. What a great start.

And to think some people still aren't sold on him. He's unreal.

 

[jobarules]

My favorite player in the league and im a 49er fan

 

[oswizzle]

He’s a beast … got his dome rung and came back in catching everything… real deal for sure … like a prime Anquan Boldin

 

[C-Bound]

HE IS ONE SICK MOFO

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
Puka Nacua caught 10 of 11 targets for 130 yards in the Rams' Week 1 win against the Texans.

Nacua aligned in the slot on a career-high 44.4% of his snaps and was targeted on 7 of his 14 slot routes, resulting in 6 receptions for 78 yards.

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https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1964835326339465553?s=61

 

[TampaMike19]

Adam’s is going to make life a lot easier for Puka to roam free. Insane efficiency

 

[Faust]

Rams can't overstate Puka Nacua's importance

 

[VikingFrog]

Adam’s is going to make life a lot easier for Puka to roam free. Insane efficiency

I own both Puka and Adams. I started them both last week and have a few other options for my WR2. I would love to see them both feast, but I’m not sure how likely that is.

 

[Zow]

My favorite player in the league and im a 49er fan

How don't know how you can't like the guy. Underdog story given his late draft selection, catches everything and blocks, would run through a wall for his team, fun on podcasts, and teammates seem to like him.

He's like all the best traits of Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward, with even some Larry Fitzgerald sprinkled in.

 

[BlackCrowes]

does he know he doesn't HAVE to try to run through a wall every play?

 

[Zow]

does he know he doesn't HAVE to try to run through a wall every play?

I don't think so. But that's oddly endearing - even if it makes him a white knuckle fantasy own because he seems to choose to increase his injury risk.

 

[Boone22]

does he know he doesn't HAVE to try to run through a wall every play?

He’s the Marshawn Lynch of WRs.

 

[Faust]

@NFLPlus
Puka Nacua picks up 42 rush yards over expected on this 45 yard TD, per @NextGenStats

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https://x.com/nflplus/status/1967278267347648759?s=61

 

[Hoh]

Probably droppable in TD only leagues…

 

[Hoh]

Never mind. I spoke it into being.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Pick of the Year. Congratulations to all that drafted him.

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
Puka Nacua finished with a career-high 170 receiving yards in Week 4, catching 13 of his 15 targets including a touchdown.

Nacua caught two of his three deep targets for 54 yards, his 2nd-most deep receiving yards of his career (70 in Week 13, 2023).

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https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1972453923178107308?s=61

 

[Faust]

@PFF
Puka Nacua leads the NFL in:

Targets (49)
Catches (42)
Yards (503)
Explosive receptions (12)

https://x.com/pff/status/1972439618168754246?s=61

 

[travdogg]

He's the best WR in the NFL, possibly the best non-QB. He's just ALWAYS open.

Amazing he went in round 2 in every draft I was in, due to fears about Stafford's back.

 

[Zow]

He’s such a joy to watch. He’s that wonderful mix of immensely talented but also if you could write up a model for something like a twelve year old who isn’t so talented but loves the game to play receiver (fundamentals, effort, etc.) it’s also Puka.

 

[Uncle Leo]

He's the best WR in the NFL, possibly the best non-QB. He's just ALWAYS open.

Amazing he went in round 2 in every draft I was in, due to fears about Stafford's back.

That and folks worried about DA.

 

[Faust]

Rams wide receiver Puka Nacua is the hammer, not the nail

 

[Monkian]

He's the best WR in the NFL, possibly the best non-QB. He's just ALWAYS open.

Amazing he went in round 2 in every draft I was in, due to fears about Stafford's back.

Took him at 1.9 because i feared I wouldn't get another chance. Would've been my pick from 1.3 onward.

Beyond his receiving chops (and fantasy value), I love how much he's utilized as a lead blocker in the running game, and even in pass protection. The most impactful WR in the league, bar none.