QJ was targeted on the same pattern he caught the 29-yard TD earlier in the game. But Horn had great coverage, it would've taken a perfect pass.
3 end-zone targets and Justin Herbert are making me think he could be a factor in fantasy.
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3 end-zone targets and Justin Herbert are making me think he could be a factor in fantasy.
Deamon
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Don't need to muddy this forum up with it, we can discuss it there or I'm happy to have a PM conversation with anyone who wants to discuss Herbert outside of the Quentin forum.I had to go look it up but here's what I found (hope you don't mind me sharing)
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Mooney. Zac Robinson's offense will pass the ball more than Greg Roman's. Mooney had a 1,000 yard season with Fields & Dalton in 2021.
I'm in a similar situation with the top waiver priority. My WRs are Cooper, Dell, Mooney, Sutton. I'm still hopeful with Copper, and Dell and Mooney have shown some life.
QJ's route running and separation aren't good which limits his upside. I may wait another week to use the priority, although very tempted to get QJ because of Herbert.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
It might be an overpay, but you’re banking on wr1 ceiling
VERY unlikely but I can’t believe what harbaugh has already done so I’m betting on that at a modest bid
Won’t overpay, don’t need to, but give QJ all day over the Demarcus Robinsons of the world
VERY unlikely but I can’t believe what harbaugh has already done so I’m betting on that at a modest bid
Won’t overpay, don’t need to, but give QJ all day over the Demarcus Robinsons of the world
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
His upside is ridiculous and he plays with a great Quarterback.
Dickies
Footballguy
I have DJ Moore, Cooks, Higgins, Watson and Mike Williams. I’m hopeful that if/when Higgins comes back that I will be okay but wouldn’t mind more depth.
Tau837
Footballguy
The Chargers have had 26 and 20 pass attempts in the first 2 games. They aren't going to average 23 pass attempts per game... that projects to 391 pass attempts in 17 games. Last season, the team with the fewest passing attempts (SF) attempted 491 passes in the regular season.
Johnston is tied for the lead in targets on the Chargers and has the most receptions, receiving yards, receiving TDs. He has the most snaps on offense among all Chargers skill players, and he has run the most routes. He leads in a number of other advanced metrics.
It's only 2 games. There is definitely a choice to be made. Is he going to emerge this season or not? It could go either way. For the reasons I posted previously, I think he will emerge as a top 2 WR for the Chargers in real NFL life. Harder to predict his fantasy success level, since it is currently hard to predict how valuable a top 2 Chargers WR will actually be this season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
All preseason all I heard was how little Harbaugh & Roman would be passing.
As a guy who got Herbert in a SF I was hoping they were wrong.
They weren’t wrong. You just validated what people have been saying for 4 months+. lol
Tau837
Footballguy
OK, let's set the over/under on Chargers regular season pass attempts at 491, the total of the team that ranked #32 in pass attempts in 2023. You have to take over or under. Are you saying you will take under?
Also, I didn't validate anything of the sort. I posted in the offseason that I thought Herbert would average a career low number of passing attempts per game in the regular season. But I projected 34 attempts per game, not 23, and I am holding on that projection.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
When they eventually have to throw more I don't see why Johnson can't be the main target. Now, what that's actually worth is debatable, but it looks like he's put some of last year past him. Unfortunately, we've seen the Harbaugh blueprint and it's exactly what we thought it might be. And they're 2-0, so nobody will be second-guessing it until the losses pile up. Good depth guy.
Exactly.
He's got a solid pedigree and anytime there's a potential team's #1 WR out there available you have to take a look see.
Chargers have been tearing up some rotten run Ds. They can't do that every game, but the threat of that run game will come in handy when they have to do more play action in the future. I'd think Johnson would benefit.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
This is an awesome question and a fair one, and I can see arguments for both sides.
I myself lean QJ but fair discussion certainly, that tier of second option on more mid offenses or the top guy (potentially) on a bottom 1/3 of the league offense.
I have been moving towards making sure I"m part of better offenses but everything is case by case, so I lean on Harbaugh and company to generate consistent offense (even if not heavy passing offense yet). Herbert is getting a concerning amount of dings for a young guy but I do also like him more than cousins in concept too
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
Picked him up. I have elevated my expectations for him. Harbaugh pounds the rock and this guy makes dudes look dumb in single coverage... and Herbert can gently place the ball in his lap.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Brings up an interesting question. Does anyone have info on what rank of defensive backs he is being covered by? Are Chargers' opponents consistently putting their #1 on Johnston, or #2, or has it varied?
I hear that I was so hyped on him last year, but that was a big dissapointment. I have a little more faith this year for a few reasons
He is physically gifted 6'4" 215lbs
Has a great QB with a great deep ball
Has great speed
Has a great coach (If there is any coach in the NFL that can get the most out of him it's Jim Harbaugh)
They have no top #1 WR right now so the opportunity is there if he steps up
He is tied for the team lead in targets
All off-season we were hearing that he was taking a step up
The chargers are going to need to pass a lot more in future games and they are going to need him to be the guy
Maybe last year was a product of the game being too fast, trying to learn too many things at once and dropping a lot of passes because he couldn't just go out and focus on playing ball ????
TampaMike19
Footballguy
In a waiver land full of absolute trash this guy is a gold mine. On a more talented offensive year he may not stand out as much but this is the reality of fantasy right now. It blows for many players who are in a flat tier
nittanylion
Footballguy
Fool's gold, but that's just my opinion.
I think sometimes that when folks want something bad enough, they see things that aren't there.
Time will tell, of course. I just think that what time tells is what people are wishing for, not what will be.
Herbert already banged up, and if they can't keep the rush off him, will get banged up more. If he goes down for any amount of time, that amount of time is going to be very boring.
Low-volume passing attack on a Team that with a run-first scheme, that looks to be able to run the ball well.
Among Chargers pass-catchers, Quentin Johnson right now looks like the tallest dwarf in the room.
Palmer and McConkey will have their days, and McConkey is only going to become more integral as the season moves along.
Sooner or later, the TE's will get involved.
Defense looks somewhat invigorated, if that continues, the Harbaugh/Roman paradigm is going to be more prevelant, not less.
That's just how I see it, and I could have it all wrong...but QJ is going to be expensive this week, and I am *not* chasing that.
I think sometimes that when folks want something bad enough, they see things that aren't there.
Time will tell, of course. I just think that what time tells is what people are wishing for, not what will be.
Herbert already banged up, and if they can't keep the rush off him, will get banged up more. If he goes down for any amount of time, that amount of time is going to be very boring.
Low-volume passing attack on a Team that with a run-first scheme, that looks to be able to run the ball well.
Among Chargers pass-catchers, Quentin Johnson right now looks like the tallest dwarf in the room.
Palmer and McConkey will have their days, and McConkey is only going to become more integral as the season moves along.
Sooner or later, the TE's will get involved.
Defense looks somewhat invigorated, if that continues, the Harbaugh/Roman paradigm is going to be more prevelant, not less.
That's just how I see it, and I could have it all wrong...but QJ is going to be expensive this week, and I am *not* chasing that.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I got him at 3.5 percent and 2 percent, I’ve seen the guru Types saying 10-20, I agree that’s high but I’m taking a flyer at that price
Edit: Harbaugh was not the HC for SD Chargers
I picked up QJ for a cheap FAAB bid. So my expecations are low. But he might surprise.
What I learned about J. Harbaugh:
He's had the priviledge of being HC for Frank Gore, who we know is an absolute workhorse.
However, he also was HC for Michael Crabtree, Anquan Boldin, Vernon Davis.
As such, he has had (based on the above names) WR/TE positions that have produced 1000 yard seasons, 10+ TD seasons under his HC tenure.
So we know despite the massive amount of rush attempts we've seen thus far from the Chargers this year, the WR positions will still produce.
I picked up QJ for a cheap FAAB bid. So my expecations are low. But he might surprise.
What I learned about J. Harbaugh:
He's had the priviledge of being HC for Frank Gore, who we know is an absolute workhorse.
However, he also was HC for Michael Crabtree, Anquan Boldin, Vernon Davis.
As such, he has had (based on the above names) WR/TE positions that have produced 1000 yard seasons, 10+ TD seasons under his HC tenure.
So we know despite the massive amount of rush attempts we've seen thus far from the Chargers this year, the WR positions will still produce.
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Yeah and we know that Chargers are not going to be able to run all over everyone each week and are going to pass more
the moops
Footballguy
And followed up that 1000 yard season with two stinkers
Yeah and we know that Chargers are not going to be able to run all over everyone each week and are going to pass more
I think this is why QJ, LM are intriguing. I had Herbert in his rookie year who was my starter down the stretch. There's some interesting "keep the beast under wraps" vibe going on and then in a few weeks Harbaugh will have Herbert sling it. The bottom line is there are few QBs in the league who has Herbert's pedigree. He already has a 5000 and two 4000 yard seasons under his career. Two years with 30+ TD passes. And we've seen his arm on display years past on ESPN. He is 26 entering his prime. Feels like Herbert is the "Dark Knight Rises".
shoecrew22
Footballguy
Ive lost Kupp and CMC so I had to go heavy with Faab replacing a RB, I somehow snagged QJ for $2.
We will take it. He will be on bench behind Adams and BTJr. And maybe Shakir, see how he does for another week or 2
We will take it. He will be on bench behind Adams and BTJr. And maybe Shakir, see how he does for another week or 2
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
This all day long.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Yes we certainly have grown to expect rookie receivers to show immediately with the recent examples of success. After watching QJ last year I really had no reason to believe he could turn things around and be productive. Missed a potential buy low as he seems to be on a good trajectory. We will see if it sustains but a good reminder to have some patience instead of none.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Herbert practicing today could put a little water on this fire.
the moops
Footballguy
Say what?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
Jim Harbaugh was never the head coach for Tomlinson and Gates. He was the head coach for the University of San Diego from 2004-2006. Not the same thing.
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This week @ PIT would be a tough matchup for QJ even with a healthy Herbert. It should be low scoring.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
So I’ve bought into this guy for the time being.
Roman is quoted as saying ‘imagine Herbert with a running game…’.
To me, this looks like a team that’s ahead of schedule in setting its foundation which is still going to be about weaponizing Herbert.
I’m guessing QJ will be more boom/bust on a weekly basis…but I suspect his boom frequency will be better than originally forecasted.
Roman is quoted as saying ‘imagine Herbert with a running game…’.
To me, this looks like a team that’s ahead of schedule in setting its foundation which is still going to be about weaponizing Herbert.
I’m guessing QJ will be more boom/bust on a weekly basis…but I suspect his boom frequency will be better than originally forecasted.
He also almost had a 3rd TD, but there was great coverage
dipandglide
Footballguy
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
Haters gonna hate.
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Looks like I was dead wrong on this dude. Good for him, heck of a turnaround so far.
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
Give him time, he'll screw this up. He is not a good Quarterback.
OU#1
Footballguy
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
I am having a hard time interneting today, lol.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
His TDs seem flukey, but they keep happening 
