Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
But we don’t know that yet because we aren’t at the start of year 2 yet.
I’m just sayin. Pump the brakes.
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WR Quentin Johnston, LAC (1 Viewer)
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I’m just sayin. Pump the brakes.
Will you at least say he's not 1 or 2, and is battling for #3?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve been saying that.
I literally said it today just a few posts up. That he only had to beat out Chark for a meaningful number of targets.
You aren’t under the impression that chark is the 1, are you?
Oh no. Just like you, I think he and Chark are battling for #3. And I don't think there is much of a difference in them. If QJ can't win the spot, I do think his career is pretty much "Treylonned".I’ve been saying that.
I literally said it today just a few posts up. That he only had to beat out Chark for a meaningful number of targets.
You aren’t under the impression that chark is the 1, are you?
nittanylion
Footballguy
I remember Josh Doctson WR, TCU...2016 1.22
I remember Jalen Reagor WR, TCU...2020 1.21
Quentin Johnson, WR TCU...2023 1.21
One of these things is just like the others?
I remember Jalen Reagor WR, TCU...2020 1.21
Quentin Johnson, WR TCU...2023 1.21
One of these things is just like the others?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Another wildly premature burial.
Disregard - I have a cataract and it’s clearly effecting me. Pre-op consult on Friday.
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eighsse2
Footballguy
Dotson yes.
Doctson no.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Josh Doctson, WR TCU, not Jahan Dotson, WR Penn State.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh - so that’s what my reading glasses are for.
Can we talk about all the violins on television?!
/Letella
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If he sucks it's because he sucks, not the college he went to. I thought Stroud taught us that last year.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Here's my question though, from a not-very-athletic-minded person. We all know Johnston was talked up as having elite potential and being the next superstar. And we all know his value is now basically a dart throw guy who still has potential, but unlikely that he hits.
Is this based more on something you guys see on the field? Or is it based more on implicit things like "he was behind so-and-so in targets"?
Is this based more on something you guys see on the field? Or is it based more on implicit things like "he was behind so-and-so in targets"?
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Dudes just 22 years old. Former 1st round pick with tremendous talent. If he can't take a step forward this year he prolly never will. I own zero shares.
Marauder
Footballguy
For me, it's about what I saw on the field. I'm a Chargers fan and I own QJ in multiple dynasty leagues so I'm really hoping he succeeds but I'm not confident at all. When I look at rookie WR's, I don't expect them to produce big numbers as a rookie but I need to see something that's encouraging. I watched every Chargers game last year and really didn't see anything that led me to believe he has potential. It's not like he didn't get opportunities either. He had plenty of opportunity. He ran 450 routes as a rookie, roughly the same number as JSN, but JSN looked like someone who can be a high volume guy with more opportunity. I didn't see anything like that from QJ.
fightingillini
Footballguy
What we saw was terrible hands, lack of focus as a route runner, and at times seemed to not be on the same page with Herbert. Sure, he was behind Allen, Williams and Palmer but those guys were injured much of the year and QJ had a lot of opportunity, and he came up really small.
Now we saw Jamarr Chase drop a lot of passes early in camp his rookie year and the FF community soured on him.....and Chase turned it around and became a superstar. Not convinced Johnston will do the same, but he can't get worse. The bigger issue is LAC is going to run the ball a lot and even if QJ improves, he doesn't have a really high ceiling.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Just search Quentin Johnston drops on YouTube. You will find why people are low on him.
I do think he ends up better this year than last but nothing I saw from him looked like 1st round talent. However, those drops he had were wide open catches. I guess that speaks to his athleticism but he can't catch.
I do think he ends up better this year than last but nothing I saw from him looked like 1st round talent. However, those drops he had were wide open catches. I guess that speaks to his athleticism but he can't catch.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This gets repeated quite a bit, but I just looked and he actually only had 3 drops.
Puka had 17
Hill had 16
I’m not saying it was on an equal number of targets, but I will say that one brutal drop has overshadowed everything else and caused folks to exaggerate a bit.
We don’t actually know that he has “terrible hands”. 3 drops on 67 targets is 4.4%
Which was exactly league average for 2023, so… what are we doing here?
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the real problem is what counts as an expanded role?
he could get 35 catches for 500 yards and that is definitely a larger role than he had, but not fantasy worthy.
granted its not entirely abnormal for a WR to struggle in year 1. and he had to work on his route running so maybe that's the deal. But with a full year of NFL under his belt he should improve. but I'm not expecting him to be draftable. he might be a player to watch and priority waiver wire selection if he shows signs of being a legit NFL player early in the year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
A lot of the discussion in here is from a dynasty perspective.
I won’t touch him in redraft.
Tau837
Footballguy
Repeating something I posted previously. I am optimistic for Johnston to become a productive NFL WR this season. That may or may not equate to him being a valuable fantasy WR.
It's nice to see him have his back like this. But Harbaugh is starting to sound like the NFL version of Bill Walton.
For what it's worth Herbert echoed the sentiment shortly after Harbaugh. QJ is going to have to show something this year though.
Tau837
Footballguy
Anything is possible. But so far, Harbaugh and Hortiz have delivered on everything they have said. I'm not aware of any actual evidence that he isn't being genuine about Johnston.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Fast forward to November, QJ leads the team in receptions, yards, & TDs.
Everyone at FBG, “I dunno, he had that one big drop against GB.”
massraider
Footballguy
it should be clarified that he was not considered blue chip. Not like Wilson, Chase, Nabers, etc. QJ had plenty of doubters. The tone of his coverage has not been one of optimism, from day 1. Which is worth considering when looking how low he is actually ranked.
I took him in dynasty last year, and it was a bet on traits, and long term opportunity. Flaws in his game, but fixable. To quote Maurile from this thread:
He has prototype WR1 size, and special athletic ability (9.60 RAS). His YAC ability was special in college.
He's two years YOUNGER than Josh Palmer. He's the same age as Ladd McConkey. He was drafted by a team with a disaster of a coaching staff, the team quit by the end of the year. And now he is being drafted WR60-something.
It doesn't move the needle for me that Harbaugh says nice things about him, but I do think it's important he stay healthy in camp, and I do think it's good news he has made a good impression in camp. From the Athletic:
Are you implying that Walton's love for everyone was not genuine? Heresy. I think Walton truly felt that way. He was just that kind of guy. I went to ucla and I can tell you that guy was crazy nice and genuine. Nothing but love for that guy. But he did see things through rose colored glasses. That's all I'm saying. Some of Harbaugh's quotes this year really do sound like they could have come from Walton.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Fast forward to November, QJ leads the team in receptions, yards, & TDs.
Everyone at FBG, “I dunno, he had that one big drop against GB.”
Yet you are totally out on him and redraft this year and ready to make him the wr 1 on the Chargers after 1 good day at training camp.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
In training camp all public statements are positive. Now that Buddy Ryan is gone, not once will you hear “that guy sucks, he’s not in our plans.” Everyone is talked up so that their head is in the right place. So I don’t put much stock into coach/QB comments at this time. In the middle of the season when the pressure is on and adversity strikes, that’s a different story.
massraider
Footballguy
Whenever you watch these press conferences, most questions are designed to prompt these positive answers. It would be a lot better if they just asked, who is catching your eye?
No one ever does. It's, "how excited are you to have Kimani Vidal in the backfield??"
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I wonder if "who is catching your eye" has been tried and the coaches give a non-answer like "everybody."Whenever you watch these press conferences, most questions are designed to prompt these positive answers. It would be a lot better if they just asked, who is catching your eye?
No one ever does. It's, "how excited are you to have Kimani Vidal in the backfield??"
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I never said I was ready to make him WR1.Fast forward to November, QJ leads the team in receptions, yards, & TDs.
Everyone at FBG, “I dunno, he had that one big drop against GB.”
Yet you are totally out on him and redraft this year and ready to make him the wr 1 on the Chargers after 1 good day at training camp.
What are you talking about?
I explicitly said I thought he was fighting to be the WR 3. Twice.
Also, he had a good day at training camp? That’s news to me.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I never said I was ready to make him WR1.Fast forward to November, QJ leads the team in receptions, yards, & TDs.
Everyone at FBG, “I dunno, he had that one big drop against GB.”
Yet you are totally out on him and redraft this year and ready to make him the wr 1 on the Chargers after 1 good day at training camp.
What are you talking about?
I explicitly said I thought he was fighting to be the WR 3. Twice.
Also, he had a good day at training camp? That’s news to me.
You just said fast forward to November ans he is leading the Chargers in yards, catches and tds.
Then you make a poke that everyone is focusing on one drop.
You are all over the map.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes, that was called sarcasm and me making a joke about the nature of FBG reactionaries.I never said I was ready to make him WR1.Fast forward to November, QJ leads the team in receptions, yards, & TDs.
Everyone at FBG, “I dunno, he had that one big drop against GB.”
Yet you are totally out on him and redraft this year and ready to make him the wr 1 on the Chargers after 1 good day at training camp.
What are you talking about?
I explicitly said I thought he was fighting to be the WR 3. Twice.
Also, he had a good day at training camp? That’s news to me.
You just said fast forward to November ans he is leading the Chargers in yards, catches and tds.
Then you make a poke that everyone is focusing on one drop.
You are all over the map.
Thus the laugh emoji. Obviously I was not saying that was my projection for him.
I am in fact only in one place. I think QJ is fighting to be the WR3, as I’ve clearly said a couple of times.
and also, I will not draft him in redraft.
None of that was ambiguous in any way
Tau837
Footballguy
Agree, definitely not like Chase or Nabers. However, it is worth noting where he was ranked by public rankings entering the draft last year.
I tracked the Chargers draft against 11 sources last year: 2023 Draft Rankings/Discussion.
- WR position rankings: highest ranking 1 (3 sources), lowest ranking 5 (2 sources), average ranking 2.5
- Overall rankings (all positions): highest ranking 11, lowest ranking 34, average ranking 21.0
I didn't like the pick at the time, in part because it seemed like the Chargers used bad process to decide they were going to take a WR at that pick no matter who was on the board, whereas I preferred players who were available at other positions. It hasn't worked out well so far, but I still think there is potential he can turn it around.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
If you can grab QJ for a 3rd, do it. Talent-wise, he exceeds anyone available in that round and I can't imagine a better situation. I still believe QJ is the most athletic receiver on the Chargers roster, but the drops set him back. However, new coach could bless him with opportunity. If he can do something with those opportunities, he has as much of a chance on this roster to be the guy as anyone.
People seem to forget how much he saw the field last year. From week 2 on, he was LAC's WR snap leader, and trailed only Keenan Allen in WR targets. He just did very little with those opportunities. While I don't think his place on the roster is in jeopardy for 2024, I do think he and Chark are battling for WR3 duties.
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
I think what's worrisome about Quentin is him only being good at being tall and fast rather than actual receiver skills.
Have you ever wondered how Usain Bolt would've done as a WR?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s a funny schtick, but a year earlier in college he went 60/1069/6
It’s not like his 1st year in the NFL was his 1st playing football.
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
I looked up who you're talking about... I don't think he would've been much worse than Quentin last year
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve now dealt away both of my shares of QJ.
I shall leave you all to continue bashing him at your leisure.
I still think he has a chance at relevance, just not on any of my rosters.
I shall leave you all to continue bashing him at your leisure.
I still think he has a chance at relevance, just not on any of my rosters.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Saaaayyyy whaaaaaaaat? lolI’ve now dealt away both of my shares of QJ.
I shall leave you all to continue bashing him at your leisure.
I still think he has a chance at relevance, just not on any of my rosters.
I was trying to compare his stats thru college and his 1st yr in the NFL, and he is pretty close to Marvin Mims. Both were Big 12 guys from 2020 thru 2022
Mims - 123/2398/20 in college, 22/377/1 as a rookie
Johnston - 115/2190/14 in college, 38/431/2 as a rookie
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Shouldn’t be surprising - I’ve never been a QJ guy. Check back a couple pages before he was drafted - I was harping on him as a reach in the NFL draft.Saaaayyyy whaaaaaaaat? lolI’ve now dealt away both of my shares of QJ.
I shall leave you all to continue bashing him at your leisure.
I still think he has a chance at relevance, just not on any of my rosters.
But I wound up with 2 shares of him, one as a toss-in and 1 as a waiver claim.
I’ve now flipped him for
1. Osa in an IDP league where I needed an upside DT
2. Chase Brown, who I’ve been quietly gobbling up shares of this offseason.
I’ve said a couple times - I hate that yall made me defend him. lol
My comments in here were largely that everyone is kicking dirt on his grave too soon, and there’s a possibility that he becomes something decent. I’m not saying it’s a lock, just feels like an overcorrection to a bad rookie season.
Nice!
Chaka
Footballguy
He's no Rashod Bateman.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Bateman is significantly more talented.
Injury isn’t the same as incompetence. Put Bateman on the Chiefs & he’s their WR1.
Chaka
Footballguy
Oh, come on. He played 16 games last year, started 12.
Put him and Zay Flowers on the Chiefs and he'd be lucky to be their WR4. If Rice doesn't get suspended, I'm assuming he will, Bateman would be on the roster bubble at best.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We can agree to disagree.
I think Bateman is significantly more talented than he’s given credit for. He’s + size/speed guy who runs crisp routes and has good hands.
He’s been stuck on a bad passing offense, and spent his 1st two seasons injured.
Regardless, he’s significantly better than QJ, which was your original goalpost.
