efactor
Footballguy
Not that anyone gives a rats assssssss, but Rice fell to 4.04.
Chase Brown however went 3.11, so he's moving up. Went 4.06 and 4.07 in the last 2 I did. Unfortunate
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Chase Brown however went 3.11, so he's moving up. Went 4.06 and 4.07 in the last 2 I did. Unfortunate
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, based on ADP it was a long shot he’d make it back to you.
Who’d you end up taking at 4.09?
efactor
Footballguy
I have 4.08 but the Rice pick just happened so not there yet. Kyren, Walker, Kaleb and Harvey still on the board, along with the old guys, CMC, Henry and Jacobs. Don’t pick again until 6.07 barring a trade so RB probably. Also talking to a guy about getting my original 5.06 back for my 2026 1st. He made a couple questionable trades and I think he is already looking forward to 2026. We will see.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
man I love SF. Got Jacobs at 7.04
His ADP for 1 QB start up is like 38 (4.02)
If you can get that 5th for a single future 1st you have to do it. Start-up value so much higher.
efactor
Footballguy
That's really good value, even for superflex. No threats to carries on the roster. Should have another big season in that offense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hoping for a couple seasons, but yeah - love the value. Went Jacobs RB1 at 7.04 then Chuba 8.09 on the way back.
Really happy with that build. Hopefully can draft a RB by the time I need one.
efactor
Footballguy
Out of curiosity, where did CMC go? I just took him over Jacobs at 4.08. Rolling the dice for 2025. Sometimes I need my head examined.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
5.11, but again it’s SF. So pretty much equivalent considering literally every QB was gone by then.
You are a very brave man. lol
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I understand, but they weren't prepared with an estimate of games after 14 whole months since the incident either?
probably waiting to see what the actual results of plea/sentencing were and need some time to try and align and adjust accordingly....while the league can do whatever they want....what the court actually lays out provides a little framework....ie: if they go heavy then maybe Rog needs to go a little heavier then what they were maybe thinking initially so to speak....
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
So if the feeling is Addison is getting roughly 3 games for a DUI; I would imagine Rice is getting a lot more
ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler reports “the Vikings are bracing for roughly a three-game suspension” for Jordan Addison.
It may or may not be a three-game suspension for Addison, but it sounds like the Vikings have a good sense of what will be handed down to the third-year receiver. Addison pleaded no contest to resolve a 2024 DUI citation he received, and could learn his fate at any time between now and the start of the season. Assuming he does miss time, Jalen Nailor, who has been “getting a lot of love at camp,” per Fowler, could be in line to serve as the Vikings’ WR2 in Addison’s absence.
ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler reports “the Vikings are bracing for roughly a three-game suspension” for Jordan Addison.
It may or may not be a three-game suspension for Addison, but it sounds like the Vikings have a good sense of what will be handed down to the third-year receiver. Addison pleaded no contest to resolve a 2024 DUI citation he received, and could learn his fate at any time between now and the start of the season. Assuming he does miss time, Jalen Nailor, who has been “getting a lot of love at camp,” per Fowler, could be in line to serve as the Vikings’ WR2 in Addison’s absence.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I am starting to wonder if this isn't uncommon from the league to ensure there isn't any surprises that come up for Rice. It sucks as dynasty fantasy team managers, but hope it comes soon.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not sure a relationship between the two is this straightforward. DUI has a pretty standard 3-game punishment & lots of precedent for how the league handles it.
We’re still very much in wait and see mode here. I’ve heard everything from no suspension (rec’d 30 day jail sentence, league could say that’s punishment enough) to 3-6 games.
Everyone is just guessing. Not saying Rice doesn’t deserve a longer suspension - his actions were inarguably worse. But we won’t know until we know. Ya know?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
id be shocked if it was zero - as a Rice owner im expecting 3-6 and hoping on the shorter side - discount is already baked in.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Good post HSG and exactly right. We really have no comparison here. I think he has to be suspended. Have no idea how many games. Dont even know for sure if that suspension is this year or next. We just don't know. Hard to put a value on him in redraft leagues
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I would be as well, but the Chiefs, and their beat writer IIRC have both suggested that as a likely outcome.
They may be wishcasting, but I read (can’t remember where, sorry) an analyst say it was possible because of the penalties already imposed by the courts.
Like you, I’m expecting 3-6, maybe reduced on appeal if Rice does the off-field stuff right (completes his settlement with injured party, follows probation stuff to the letter, etc)
With the NFLPA chaos, it’s possibly a bad time to be a player needing representation.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s an excellent point - when does the NFL consider “the legal process to have been completed”?
Is it upon sentencing? Or is it once he’s served his 30 days (any time over the next 5 years was it?), or once his probation has been completed without issue?
Any legal-minded NFL-knowledgeable type folks want to weigh in on the NFL’s definition of “completed”?
FWIW it doesn’t seem to be effecting his dynasty stock - went 4.09 in one start-up (to me) and 4.06 in another (to not me) over the last ~8 weeks. The suspension seems built-in to that pricing. If he had no legal issues he’s probably an early 2nd round start-up asset.
@rockaction - any insight/opinion on the question above re: definition of “completed”?
rockaction
Footballguy
I would not venture a guess. I. Do. Not. Get. NFL. Suspensions. I drafted Zeke in the 2nd that year because I never thought he’d get that many games. Or did I know? Either way, I never in my wildest dreams thought Zeke would get suspended after the female in charge of his hearing found a sexual battery “victim” not credible.
After Zeke, I gave up. I still can’t believe they could circumvent the CBA like that, so I quit thinking about it. I wait for the announcements. It really should be unconstitutional. It’s arbitrary and capricious, which is the threshold when it comes to CBAs. Or at least it was.
I roster Rice in one of my two dynasty leagues so I’m interested, too.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
I'd make an argument his actions weren't worse. But having immediate family killed by a drunk driver does that to you. I think a DUI is among the worst offenses one can commit and is FAR too lightly punished in America. It's easily avoided and far more likely to kill someone than reckless driving.
rockaction
Footballguy
Homey don’t play dat
While this standard originates in judicial review of federal agency actions, the term "arbitrary and capricious" is also used in labor and employment law, including in the context of collective bargaining agreements (CBAs), such as those governing professional sports leagues like the National Football League (NFL).
In the context of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), the term is applied during grievance and arbitration proceedings. Under the NFL CBA, disciplinary actions—such as player suspensions—are typically reviewed to determine whether they were “arbitrary, capricious, or contrary to the collective bargaining agreement.” This standard is used by impartial arbitrators when resolving disputes between the league, teams, and the NFL Players Association (NFLPA).
For example, in player discipline cases (e.g., suspensions for conduct detrimental to the league), an arbitrator will not simply substitute their judgment for that of the Commissioner, but will assess whether the punishment:
- Has a rational basis in the facts;
- Is consistent with past precedent (i.e., comparably serious penalties for similar conduct);
- Follows procedures outlined in the CBA;
- Is grossly disproportionate or unsupported by evidence.
Thus, while the arbitrary and capricious standard in the NFL CBA context is derived from administrative law principles, it is adapted to private contractual governance. It ensures that the Commissioner’s broad disciplinary authority is exercised fairly, consistently, and in accordance with the agreed-upon rules between the league and the players’ union.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well played my friend.
I actually know what it means but whenever I spot professional jargon I can’t help but think of Oswald Bates.
rockaction
Footballguy
Every so often I remember ****. I took classes where we covered it but it never sticks. I just know the buzzwords to look for so if I’m doing FF and I want to know, I just look for the legal language and I never (well, almost) trust the reports in the news. They always **** it up. Go to the source.
Anyway, I love the Black nationalist who keeps talking about his bowels. I thought that’s what you were getting at so I spent literally ten seconds with AI. Bravo browser. It’s getting better and it is coming. Past time to adopt it.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Does the eightball tell you if it's the first 4 weeks of this season , middle 4 weeks of this season, or if it's the following year?Says “4 games”
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Common sense says 8 games or more, but since when does the NFL show common sense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the wildcard here.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I'm assuming the NFL is like MLB too in that the standards that make up the case law actually evolve within the league. When we were doing an actual injury grievance arbitration during my time there everyone was excited because it was only the 8th ever to go before an arbitrator. One of my assignments was to do the full case law memo based on the prior 7. It was just like my first amendment conlaw stuff in execution, but instead of Shelby and all that jazz it was the prior seven cases and that's it.
So I'm assuming any NFL punishment scenario would be:
1. They mete out a punishment
2. The Union files a grievance
3. Both sides will look at every opinion from every prior grievance about a punishment and what factors were used and how it was changed
The NFL will assume there will be a grievance and do #3 in advance before deciding on how many games to hopefully not have to do steps 2 and 3 publicly.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow. That is really cool to know. So it’s their own disciplinary standards and practices they’re judged by, huh? That is actually the only thing that makes sense now that I think about it. What, would they judge arbitrary & capricious like they judge a steelworker’s arbitrary & capricious?
The NFL is so chaotic, though. Goodell is the embodiment of a & c with his “list.” The arbitrariness is almost inherent.
joey
Footballguy
Does the eightball tell you if it's the first 4 weeks of this season , middle 4 weeks of this season, or if it's the following year?
says “ask again later”
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Love it. I remember that.Does the eightball tell you if it's the first 4 weeks of this season , middle 4 weeks of this season, or if it's the following year?
Instinctive
Footballguy
As I understand it, the standard was set in the CBA, and then the first ever grievance became the first case law within the CBA. And every grievance after would defer to that somewhat, in its evidence of what kind of action is capricious or not.
Just like real law, you could overturn something, but it always seemed less likely to me.
Your real complexity and threat comes into position if someone wants to blow it up and go outside the CBA, to a federal court, and then it becomes a huge mess.
efactor
Footballguy
I love FF and I just drafted Rice in a startup, but I hope the NFL hammers him. At least 8 games and the whole season wouldn't make me shed any tears.Common sense says 8 games or more, but since when does the NFL show common sense.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Is there a database anywhere of all the prior acts and resulting suspensions, even just limited to Goodells tenure?I love FF and I just drafted Rice in a startup, but I hope the NFL hammers him. At least 8 games and the whole season wouldn't make me shed any tears.Common sense says 8 games or more, but since when does the NFL show common sense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, I feel pretty much the same. I admitted upthread that I’m a hypocrite because I love value picks and FF points.
It’s hard to separate the art from the artist.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer has word that the Chiefs are expecting the total to land at the midpoint of those predictions: between four to six games.
I'm pretty sure the NFL has these people/or is very alert too what these people float; similar to the Addison game amount being floated out to get a pulse on how fans react.
Since no one is is in an uproar I'm guessing we'll get the official number soon.
arrowheadaddict.com
I'm pretty sure the NFL has these people/or is very alert too what these people float; similar to the Addison game amount being floated out to get a pulse on how fans react.
Since no one is is in an uproar I'm guessing we'll get the official number soon.
Chiefs have a good idea how long Rashee Rice will be suspended
The Kansas City Chiefs are practically guaranteed to lose Rashee Rice at some point in the 2025 regular season for multiple games. The real questions at this po
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Could be 4.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
No risk-it, no biscuit. I decided to pass but could pay off I suppose. Not same ballpark, but did land Addison late and was comfortable with that,
Was actually perusing this earlier today(in relation to Judkins:Is there a database anywhere of all the prior acts and resulting suspensions, even just limited to Goodells tenure?I love FF and I just drafted Rice in a startup, but I hope the NFL hammers him. At least 8 games and the whole season wouldn't make me shed any tears.Common sense says 8 games or more, but since when does the NFL show common sense.
NFL player arrests database: Records since 2000 | USA TODAY Databases | USA TODAY NETWORK
These are arrests, charges and citations of NFL players for crimes more serious than common traffic violations. Almost all of the players belonged to an NFL roster at the time of the incident. In rare cases, a free agent is included only if that player later signs with an NFL team. The data...
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Unless we think that means any suspension hits next season, that's a way worse fantasy outcome than just getting x games to start IMO.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh that’s not good at all. That means he could be suspended say, weeks 5-11 if it’s a 6-game. Plus the BYE.
I’m glad I’ve got a couple dynasty shares, but that’s ugly for redraft.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Maybe. Hear me out. I'm a Rice guy. This looming suspension is tough to navigate. Say you spend a 5th or 6th round pick on a guy and go 0-4 before you get to start him. Rough start. Now say you spend a 5th or 6th round pick and can put him in week one. Suspenion happens week 6 thru 10. Your 3-1 and now you just gotta stay afloat till he returns. Obviously if the suspension happens during the fantasy playoffs, obviously that changes everything. All my opinion of course. Could be my Rice blinders trying to stay positive
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m out for redraft.
This is absolutely worse than missing games 1-6 (latest sounded like 6 games was where this would land)
This could mean 7 including the BYE.
It could also mean missing FF playoffs as you suggested. All bad.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Why are you better off going 3-1 and then 0-4 vs 0-4 and then 3-1? I'm not sure the record thing is useful. If he misses the first four weeks, don't you "just gotta stay afloat till he returns" anyway?
I'm more focused on the last bit. Here's why I think it is worse to be a midseason decision:
1. There's now more uncertainty and it could be in the playoffs which is brutal
2. Now the presumed missing games are during bye weeks, when production is harder to replace
3. Now I cannot plan as effectively, for instance taking a guy who is a real life WR2 or 3 but has a great looking schedule for a starting couple weeks
Now, the uncertainty could cut both ways. Now I've got a higher chance it gets appealed and delayed until 2026. So maybe he plays every game and is a huge value.
This is pure speculation, but it's from legal people I trust. We're thinking 4-6 games and leaning toward 4 a bit. But it could be at tough times like weeks 7-11.
This is just a guess on our part. But that's where we are.
This is just a guess on our part. But that's where we are.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah while other players on your roster are out for BYE or injury, that’s a rough time of year to lose a dude to suspension.
